2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought they were experimenting with expanding that? Did they not?

I thought they made it 2 players I don't know for sure I know they were considering it but not 100% 

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I thought they made it 2 players I don't know for sure I know they were considering it but not 100% 

That's what I thought.

[Wildabeast88]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That's what I thought.

No still just one but you don't have to designate which player. I thought they changed it but I guess only talked about it.

[RayRocks]

58 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Just looked at it. He has Pitta making the team and at this point I just don't see that happening. No way they IR a guy who is young and talented for a guy who can't get on the field with injury concerns. I could see Boyle getting an IR. He seems to have some bad choices across the board.

There's no reason for Pitta to not make the team.  From all accounts he was looking great before he broke his finger, and he has the most chemistry with Flacco out of probably any other receiving option on the team.  Yes, there's always the risk of re-injuring his hip, but that's a risk the team (and Pitta) was aware of before they allowed him to come back for training camp.  If he does get injured, we have Waller coming back from suspension after week 4, and Boyle available to come back after week 10.

If the argument is that "we can't keep 4 TE's," I find that hard to believe considering at one point there were discussions about keeping 5 TE's on the roster.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, Wildabeast88 said:

No still just one but you don't have to designate which player. I thought they changed it but I guess only talked about it.

i think it's one of those where eventually it will be more than one player (it only makes sense) and will happen as inevitably rosters expand as well (makes even more sense)

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

There's no reason for Pitta to not make the team.  From all accounts he was looking great before he broke his finger, and he has the most chemistry with Flacco out of probably any other receiving option on the team.  Yes, there's always the risk of re-injuring his hip, but that's a risk the team (and Pitta) was aware of before they allowed him to come back for training camp.  If he does get injured, we have Waller coming back from suspension after week 4, and Boyle available to come back after week 10.

If the argument is that "we can't keep 4 TE's," I find that hard to believe considering at one point there were discussions about keeping 5 TE's on the roster.

The argument is that the guy has played 7 games in the last 3 years and is once again off the field.  Although unrelated, I think you really need to see Pitta in action to see if you really think he's able to go.  It's not the risk of re-injury that is the primary concern for whether he makes it or not.  You have to see if he's even close to the same player he was when he last played.  Practice is one thing but seeing it in a game is another.  I'm not ruling him out of course, but I would not be surprised at all if he doesn't make it.

[BmoreBird22]

The only issue I see with cutting Pitta is that due to the rule of 51, you'd be losing like $4M in cap space, which isn't an insignificant amount, even during this time of year.

[RayRocks]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

The argument is that the guy has played 7 games in the last 3 years and is once again off the field.  Although unrelated, I think you really need to see Pitta in action to see if you really think he's able to go.  It's not the risk of re-injury that is the primary concern for whether he makes it or not.  You have to see if he's even close to the same player he was when he last played.  Practice is one thing but seeing it in a game is another.  I'm not ruling him out of course, but I would not be surprised at all if he doesn't make it.

 

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The only issue I see with cutting Pitta is that due to the rule of 51, you'd be losing like $4M in cap space, which isn't an insignificant amount, even during this time of year.

I understand this, but adding to what BmoreBird said, it's at least worth seeing what Pitta can do in the first 4 weeks of the season.  If at that point he's not showing that he can get back to even 80% of the player he once was, then cutting him to bring in Waller (or Boyle later in the season) seems like the right move.  If we cut him before then, the team is probably causing more harm than good.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The only issue I see with cutting Pitta is that due to the rule of 51, you'd be losing like $4M in cap space, which isn't an insignificant amount, even during this time of year.

It wouldn't surprise me if you just see him IR'd before actually being cut.  Could be another IR-DTR candidate.

[Boddiebroadus]

I feel bad for Elam. I say he was playing really well and probably would start next year next to Weddle cause I can't imagine Webb staying healthy that long. 

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

 

I understand this, but adding to what BmoreBird said, it's at least worth seeing what Pitta can do in the first 4 weeks of the season.  If at that point he's not showing that he can get back to even 80% of the player he once was, then cutting him to bring in Waller (or Boyle later in the season) seems like the right move.  If we cut him before then, the team is probably causing more harm than good.

It depends.  Who misses out on a roster spot in his place?  Is it worth losing that player?

I still think Pitta is likely to make it, but definitely no sure thing.

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The only issue I see with cutting Pitta is that due to the rule of 51, you'd be losing like $4M in cap space, which isn't an insignificant amount, even during this time of year.

Wouldn't be this year though. He would count $4.4M against the 2017 salary cap, which unless he has a solid year this year, it appears is going to happen regardless.

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It depends.  Who misses out on a roster spot in his place?  Is it worth losing that player?

I still think Pitta is likely to make it, but definitely no sure thing.

Elam injury might change things, since it opens up a spot in the interim, but the idea of carrying 4 active TEs plus 2 other TEs on suspension (Boyle and Waller) might not exactly be ideal for roster construction.

We've already assumed that they'll carry 5 RBs (including Juice), which is more than typical as well.

Plus, me personally, I'm more interested in gameday roster construction. I can't see 5 RBs being active on gameday, nor can I see 4 TEs being active on gameday. Watson and Gillmore would seem likely the likeliest two guys to be "locks" for gameday (barring injury of course), so I would suspect that between Pitta and Maxx, if both healthy, one would not be active.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Elam injury might change things, since it opens up a spot in the interim, but the idea of carrying 4 active TEs plus 2 other TEs on suspension (Boyle and Waller) might not exactly be ideal for roster construction.

We've already assumed that they'll carry 5 RBs (including Juice), which is more than typical as well.

Plus, me personally, I'm more interested in gameday roster construction. I can't see 5 RBs being active on gameday, nor can I see 4 TEs being active on gameday. Watson and Gillmore would seem likely the likeliest two guys to be "locks" for gameday (barring injury of course), so I would suspect that between Pitta and Maxx, if both healthy, one would not be active.

i hate the fact that you are always right lol

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Elam injury might change things, since it opens up a spot in the interim, but the idea of carrying 4 active TEs plus 2 other TEs on suspension (Boyle and Waller) might not exactly be ideal for roster construction.

We've already assumed that they'll carry 5 RBs (including Juice), which is more than typical as well.

Plus, me personally, I'm more interested in gameday roster construction. I can't see 5 RBs being active on gameday, nor can I see 4 TEs being active on gameday. Watson and Gillmore would seem likely the likeliest two guys to be "locks" for gameday (barring injury of course), so I would suspect that between Pitta and Maxx, if both healthy, one would not be active.

Yep.  Only 46 spots on gameday.  The negative to Pitta is that he's not a ST guy.

[January J]

Yeah that new IR rule will help us a ton with this Elam situation. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth the gamble to use the designation on him right now. 

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Yep.  Only 46 spots on gameday.  The negative to Pitta is that he's not a ST guy.

on the flipside if he's healthy enough to be an option he is likely good enough to start which means i see either maxx or crockett spending time inactive

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yep.  Only 46 spots on gameday.  The negative to Pitta is that he's not a ST guy.

Damned either way really. Its hard to envision Pitta being a healthy scratch, but then again, its not a good look when Maxx Williams is a 2nd round draft pick and is a healthy scratch in year 2 on a weekly basis.

That's basically Art Brown territory at that point.

Similar concerns at RB and possibly even WR. Forsett and Allen would appear to be locks for gameday active, so it means either West or Dixon sits. WR is a whole other animal, and its possible a guy like Perriman spends several weeks as a healthy scratch.

Edited August 22, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rossihunter2]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Damned either way really. Its hard to envision Pitta being a healthy scratch, but then again, its not a good look when Maxx Williams is a 2nd round draft pick and is a healthy scratch in year 2 on a weekly basis.

That's basically Art Brown territory at that point.

albeit he has already proven himself a - to a certain extent - effective receiver

[RayRocks]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Elam injury might change things, since it opens up a spot in the interim, but the idea of carrying 4 active TEs plus 2 other TEs on suspension (Boyle and Waller) might not exactly be ideal for roster construction.

We've already assumed that they'll carry 5 RBs (including Juice), which is more than typical as well.

Plus, me personally, I'm more interested in gameday roster construction. I can't see 5 RBs being active on gameday, nor can I see 4 TEs being active on gameday. Watson and Gillmore would seem likely the likeliest two guys to be "locks" for gameday (barring injury of course), so I would suspect that between Pitta and Maxx, if both healthy, one would not be active.

Just to play devil's advocate, I actually think it may be more likely that they carry the 4 TE's and only 4 RB's (including Juice), rather than 5 RB's.

We pretty much know that Dixon is a lock for the roster because he's looked so good in camp and pre-season and he was a recent 4th round pick, and we assume West and Forsett are locks, although I really don't think that Forsett is a lock to make that team and he could be shopped or cut if they feel comfortable with the other backs on the team.  I honestly am not even sure that Juice is a lock to make it, although I think it's fairly likely.  I don't want to lose him, but I could see Buck being cut or traded.

There seem to be just as many, if not more "ifs" about the RB group than there are about the TE's, and it's FAR easier to find capable RB's during the season than it is to find capable TE's.

 

 

[rossihunter2]

in my head, i imagine they'll maybe play the potential matchups but i know its more likely that it'll be a particular tight end that ends up 4th on the depth chart

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, RayRocks said:

Just to play devil's advocate, I actually think it may be more likely that they carry the 4 TE's and only 4 RB's (including Juice), rather than 5 RB's.

We pretty much know that Dixon is a lock for the roster because he's looked so good in camp and pre-season and he was a recent 4th round pick, and we assume West and Forsett are locks, although I really don't think that Forsett is a lock to make that team and he could be shopped or cut if they feel comfortable with the other backs on the team.  I honestly am not even sure that Juice is a lock to make it, although I think it's fairly likely.  I don't want to lose him, but I could see Buck being cut or traded.

There seem to be just as many, if not more "ifs" about the RB group than there are about the TE's, and it's FAR easier to find capable RB's during the season than it is to find capable TE's.

 

 

I don't think Allen's spot is in jeopardy. I think he showed enough last season that the team likes him.

I'd be more of the mindset that either West doesn't make it (I still think this is a possibility, regardless of a strong camp) or that we cut Forsett. I don't think the latter is a realistic option, given that I doubt we are comfortable with so much youth at RB and not a whole lot of proof of quality play in there.

Juice getting cut in theory is possible if we really don't utilize him enough, but I think he stays. Still view West as the possible odd man out at this point, if they choose not to go forward with 5 RBs.

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

Just to play devil's advocate, I actually think it may be more likely that they carry the 4 TE's and only 4 RB's (including Juice), rather than 5 RB's.

We pretty much know that Dixon is a lock for the roster because he's looked so good in camp and pre-season and he was a recent 4th round pick, and we assume West and Forsett are locks, although I really don't think that Forsett is a lock to make that team and he could be shopped or cut if they feel comfortable with the other backs on the team.  I honestly am not even sure that Juice is a lock to make it, although I think it's fairly likely.  I don't want to lose him, but I could see Buck being cut or traded.

There seem to be just as many, if not more "ifs" about the RB group than there are about the TE's, and it's FAR easier to find capable RB's during the season than it is to find capable TE's.

 

 

im pretty confident juice is a lock because of the way they are not really using him in preseason - he comes out with the starters plays a few snaps and then clocks off for the night

im pretty sure buck, and dixon are locks and forsett is pretty much ingrained as the starter until he gets beaten out or gets injured, so west would be the odd man out and i always thought he'd have to have an amazing camp to make the roster which he appears to have had - which means for me he has either done enough and we carry 5 (including juice) or he hasnt in which case he gets cut

[Tank 92]

Late on this, but I can't believe Elam's bad fortune. Dude just can't catch a break.

i was reading some of the post concerning Pitta. I think it's pretty much a guarantee he is on the roster if his hip allows. He has a proven track record with Flacco and that chemistry seemed to still be there prior to him breaking his finger. 

[JimmyBlack]

I just would like to see consistency in the secondary and have the confidence to think that we can stop the big pass play on 2nd and 3rd down.  Last year, we didn't stop other teams from driving down the field on us even on 4th down in most games.  Losing Elam is not the end of our hope because we have Weddle and Webb to hold down the safety position.  We need the cornerbacks to step up their game, too.  As for the running game, I think that Dixon brings a little more speed and a similar skill set to Allen.  The RB situation will go down to the wire right before the season begins.  None of them looked all that good against the Colts.

Edited August 22, 2016 by JimmyBlack

[January J]

I'm wondering if we keep 7 or 8 on the O line and if we keep 8 who will the last one be? Hurst, Wesley or Ducasse are the top candidates but I haven't heard jack about any of them. Anybody ?

Edited August 22, 2016 by January J

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm wondering if we keep 7 or 8 on the O line and if we keep 8 who will the last one be? Hurst, Wesley or Ducasse are the top candidates but I haven't heard jack about any of them. Anybody ?

Would certainly think we would keep 8. Got 7 basically locks at this point... Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen and Lewis. My guess is they'll take whoever the best is left from that group, most likely Ducasse or Wesley at this point.

Offensive line is a group where you can basically always expect at least one injured player seemingly every week, so not sure 7 is enough. Probably would only dress 7 on gameday, but probably need 8 on the 53 man.

Edited August 22, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[RayRocks]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm wondering if we keep 7 or 8 on the O line and if we keep 8 who will the last one be? Hurst, Wesley or Ducasse are the top candidates but I haven't heard jack about any of them. Anybody ?

I could see them going with 7 OL to start this year knowing that Lewis and Jensen can back up at both tackle and guard positions, and Jensen is also a backup at center.  Especially with the rest of the roster being so tight, that could be an area where they go a bit slimmer at the beginning of the year.

[January J]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Would certainly think we would keep 8. Got 7 basically locks at this point... Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen and Lewis. My guess is they'll take whoever the best is left from that group, most likely Ducasse or Wesley at this point.

Offensive line is a group where you can basically always expect at least one injured player seemingly every week, so not sure 7 is enough. Probably would only dress 7 on gameday, but probably need 8 on the 53 man.

I agree on the 8 but if I was to guess I would say Hurst would be the 8th guy. Like I said haven't seen much from any of them but he has  the better track record of  the 3 and that would give us an equal amount of tackles and guards. ( considering those that can play multiple positions)

[rmw10]

32 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm wondering if we keep 7 or 8 on the O line and if we keep 8 who will the last one be? Hurst, Wesley or Ducasse are the top candidates but I haven't heard jack about any of them. Anybody ?

Likely 8, although 7 are only going to be active on gameday.  It's hard to go with less than 8 in case of injuries.  OL is one of the harder positions to plug and play, so even though 1 is likely going to be a weekly inactive, it's good to have them getting those practice reps in case their number is called.