2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[JoeyFlex5]

The overreaction to perriman is still just ridiculous. If he was on any other team that hasn't had a bad history of drafting wr's it wouldn't be half as big a deal, if they investigated more thoroughly last year and didn't give a half-arsed diagnosis, this wouldn't be half as big a deal, if perriman didn't have a totally unrelated knee condition that stops affecting people once they finish with adolescence, this wouldn't be half as big a deal. We are grasping at straws to bash this kid at every turn. We get a positive update that he's running again 1 month before his expected return, and we throw salt anyway. Did jags fans act like this over Fowler? Did bears fans act like this over Kevin white? Are saints fans or bills fans acting like this over rankins or ragland? Unbelievable, the kid had a injury that was mishandled and led to a more serious injury, and then had a totally unrelated injury the following year and is still fully expected to play this season and has shown so signs that should lead us to believe otherwise, and other than that he has had NO injuries since a sprained ankle in high school. 

 

this is getting ridiculous people.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Perriman is recovering from a partially torn ACL he suffered in June. Harbaugh admits this was around the time when they expected Perriman back, but there is not a set date for his return. He has begun running, but it seems like he is still weeks away. Coming off a lost rookie season, it would be surprising if Perriman had a large early-season role.

Perriman had the knee scoped on Tuesday and also received a stem cell injection. Reconstructive surgery is no longer being considered. This is obviously good news, though Perriman remains completely unproven after missing his entire rookie year with repeated PCL surgeries, and is now dealing with further knee woes. Players usually recover from knee scopes in 2-4 weeks, which would put Perriman on track to return sometime around the start of training camp. We remain skeptical he'll be a big part of Baltimore's early-season offense.

“[He] was expected to miss only eight weeks after partially spraining his ACL this offseason,” Hensley wrote. “He is showing progress in his rehab and should be ready by the middle of August, which would give him enough time to get up to speed for the regular season. Perriman … has a chance to be an impact playmaker early in the season.”

I wanna know where you got a "two to three month" timetable.

From the latest LFW article which specifically states medical estimates were placed at 3 months for a stem cell injection on a sprained ACL

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

From the latest LFW article which specifically states medical estimates were placed at 3 months for a stem cell injection on a sprained ACL

It's not even sourced and given the rarity of a partially torn ACL, I highly doubt they actually have a set time table. They probably take it case by case and Harbaugh himself said that the doctors told him eight weeks.

I'm not gonna be one to sit here and bash Perriman because injuries happen and I was merely pointing out eight weeks to show that he's probably really close to being back.

But just curious, imagine you hadn't seen this unsourced article just published today. What would you have said the recovery time frame was?

Edited August 17, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's not even sourced and given the rarity of a partially torn ACL, I highly doubt they actually have a set time table. They probably take it case by case and Harbaugh himself said that the doctors told him eight weeks.

I'm not gonna be one to sit here and bash Perriman because injuries happen and I was merely pointing out eight weeks to show that he's probably really close to being back.

Oh it didn't seem like a positive post, it seemed like you were saying at 8 weeks he should be ready to suit up and go lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

And as far as the 3 month thing, I was posting that off of memory, being in a LFW article I'm sure you could understand why I mistook for "reliable" infortmation, but even then, is it any less reliable than what we were originally told? I mean if the team says 8 weeks and other doctors say it could take up to 12 weeks, is there really any reason to believe one more than the other, it's still a tear in the acl and caution is the best approach, even if he doesn't practice for another month I would see no reason to doubt his return at some point this year, when talking about an injury like this in the off-season I don't see a huge difference between 8 and 12 weeks recovery time.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh it didn't seem like a positive post, it seemed like you were saying at 8 weeks he should be ready to suit up and go lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

And as far as the 3 month thing, I was posting that off of memory, being in a LFW article I'm sure you could understand why I mistook for "reliable" infortmation, but even then, is it any less reliable than what we were originally told? I mean if the team says 8 weeks and other doctors say it could take up to 12 weeks, is there really any reason to believe one more than the other, it's still a tear in the acl and caution is the best approach, even if he doesn't practice for another month I would see no reason to doubt his return at some point this year, when talking about an injury like this in the off-season I don't see a huge difference between 8 and 12 weeks recovery time.

I checked because I was curious and he just said "some medical professionals", which I highly doubt given that this is probably case by case.

I'm just happy to hear that he's running. Doesn't necessarily mean a full blown 4.2 sprint, but he's up and moving and that makes me ecstatic.

People need to chill the hell out because the Ravens went into the offseason with the mindset of not putting all their eggs in one basket and signing Watson, getting Pitta back (even if unexpectedly), and signing Wallace are all signs that the FO is far more prepared to not have to need Perriman.

When he comes back (I don't care when as long as he's healthy) it'll just be a bonus to an offense that'll be more dynamic.

[jimmypowder]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think it was slow healing the first time. I think Harbaugh completely botched the entire injury without even knowing what the injury was, then tried to rush him back in.

At this point, I'd imagine the coaching staff is being a lot more cautious on purpose.

I have to assume that Ravens management was getting one opinion from their medical staff (slow healer ) and then they got one from an independent medical authority , which said it was more serious . 

So while Harbaugh shouldn't have said " slow healer " , this was indeed the info he was getting from his medical staff , imo .

Edited August 17, 2016 by jimmypowder

[redrum52]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The overreaction to perriman is still just ridiculous. If he was on any other team that hasn't had a bad history of drafting wr's it wouldn't be half as big a deal, if they investigated more thoroughly last year and didn't give a half-arsed diagnosis, this wouldn't be half as big a deal, if perriman didn't have a totally unrelated knee condition that stops affecting people once they finish with adolescence, this wouldn't be half as big a deal. We are grasping at straws to bash this kid at every turn. We get a positive update that he's running again 1 month before his expected return, and we throw salt anyway. Did jags fans act like this over Fowler? Did bears fans act like this over Kevin white? Are saints fans or bills fans acting like this over rankins or ragland? Unbelievable, the kid had a injury that was mishandled and led to a more serious injury, and then had a totally unrelated injury the following year and is still fully expected to play this season and has shown so signs that should lead us to believe otherwise, and other than that he has had NO injuries since a sprained ankle in high school. 

 

this is getting ridiculous people.

It's because people think he was drafted too high to begin with.  Add that with what you're saying and of course there was going to be backlash.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, redrum52 said:

It's because people think he was drafted too high to begin with.  Add that with what you're saying and of course there was going to be backlash.

Considering he had a late first to early 2nd round grade from most scouts and analysts I don't know why people think that. I mean sure we could've taken Randy gregory, but that obviously wouldn't have been better(though I'll bet plenty of posters here would have preferred that and would be all about his return and wouldn't bash him). Byron Jones clearly would've been better at this point and it was the expected pick, but the saga still hasn't played out. Perriman has gotten totally shafted by most of our fan base for ridiculous reasons that are out of his control and most of the "reasons" for all of this are totally illegitimate 

[jimmypowder]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Considering he had a late first to early 2nd round grade from most scouts and analysts I don't know why people think that. I mean sure we could've taken Randy gregory, but that obviously wouldn't have been better(though I'll bet plenty of posters here would have preferred that and would be all about his return and wouldn't bash him). Byron Jones clearly would've been better at this point and it was the expected pick, but the saga still hasn't played out. Perriman has gotten totally shafted by most of our fan base for ridiculous reasons that are out of his control and most of the "reasons" for all of this are totally illegitimate 

I don't believe this but I have friends that think Perriman will never play a snap ever in the NFL .

They firmly believe this . 

 

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Considering he had a late first to early 2nd round grade from most scouts and analysts I don't know why people think that. I mean sure we could've taken Randy gregory, but that obviously wouldn't have been better(though I'll bet plenty of posters here would have preferred that and would be all about his return and wouldn't bash him). Byron Jones clearly would've been better at this point and it was the expected pick, but the saga still hasn't played out. Perriman has gotten totally shafted by most of our fan base for ridiculous reasons that are out of his control and most of the "reasons" for all of this are totally illegitimate 

I believe the FO said that, based on OUR draft board, Perriman was basically the last guy left that we would have taken at that spot. If he was gone, we probably would have traded back. Could be wrong, but I believe they said that.

As is always the case, the fans who think this are using one of three rationales for saying this:

1. Purely hindsight analysis, which is inherently just hot garbage and lazy or

2. They're using mock drafts from "analysts" who are wrong as often as they are right and have no idea how teams evaluate players or

3. There's a small segment of fans (and we all know who they are on here) that actually genuinely believe that they are better evaluators of NFL talent than professional organizations who win often are.

Simply put, those people are just flat out wrong in thinking this, and there lack of understanding is staggering to me. These people have zero self-awareness and are the prototypical people who simply don't know what they don't know.

Edited August 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

I don't believe this but I have friends that think Perriman will never play a snap ever in the NFL .

They firmly believe this . 

 

My mom thinks perriman is purposely stealing his rookie contract with no intentions of ever playing. Ridiculous lol

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Considering he had a late first to early 2nd round grade from most scouts and analysts I don't know why people think that. I mean sure we could've taken Randy gregory, but that obviously wouldn't have been better(though I'll bet plenty of posters here would have preferred that and would be all about his return and wouldn't bash him). Byron Jones clearly would've been better at this point and it was the expected pick, but the saga still hasn't played out. Perriman has gotten totally shafted by most of our fan base for ridiculous reasons that are out of his control and most of the "reasons" for all of this are totally illegitimate 

Im with you. I love the kid and have even reached out to him with support - bc one look at his social media accounts, realizing he's still just a kid, im sure he could use some positive feedback. 

I dont get the hate at all. Maybe its the hair line or something. Joking, but some of the actual reasons given are just as irrational as that.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

How some people are reacting to this Perriman injury - I'll use an analogy i used elsewhere.

It's like if when I was a kid and my mom told me "Dinner's at 6pm..." and I showed up at the dinner table at 5:59pm with no food - just assuming I'm not being fed tonight and leaving, even though I can smell her cooking in the kitchen.

We're right at the time we were told he'd be back. No, hes not on the field quite yet, but predicting injury recovery times is far more difficult than predicting when dinner will be done and my mother was off by a few minutes from time to time. We were just told that dinner is in fact cooking - Perrimans up and running, which you just dont do if your partially torn ACL hasnt healed and youre still months away.

We were told 8 weeks, and also that he'd be back by week 1. That's a window between right now, and what 3 weeks from now? So.... hes  right on schedule but lets assume that since he isnt a pro bowler right at that 8 week mark that hes probably going to die soon.

Hes definitely never going to play. I think they've probably just decided to amputate tomorrow.

Edited August 17, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[redrum52]

They said 3 months I think and I always assumed he would be on the field around October in a limited role.  The fact he might even play is crazy to me.  My hopes are we can get solid production from Moore.  If that happens everything else should fall into place with Aiken and Wallace and the TEs.  If Camp can stay healthy that would be a nice mix of speed and reliable hands at the wr position.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

They said 3 months I think and I always assumed he would be on the field around October in a limited role.  The fact he might even play is crazy to me.  My hopes are we can get solid production from Moore.  If that happens everything else should fall into place with Aiken and Wallace and the TEs.  If Camp can stay healthy that would be a nice mix of speed and reliable hands at the wr position.

I think you hit on something important - and thats expectations.

When I heard the initial timeframe, 8 weeks/mid-August to Week 1, i assumed that meant the injury will be healing enough at that point for him to begin physical activity... but since he hasnt practice he'll first have to get up to TC fitness, then take the practice field and learn the offense, etc... before he'd be ready to really contribute.

So i thought by 8 weeks he'll be up and running, outside at practice. By week 1 he'll be back to practicing and could if needed be available to the team, but with all the other options we have that it wouldnt be necessary. And then maybe by like week 4-6 we'd seem him starting to play some.

 

Others, it seems, expect that at the 8 week mark he'd be at 100% practicing full go for 3-4 weeks and be ready to be a top contributor for week 1. The guys never finished a real NFL practice... so that always seemed like an unreasonable expectation.

But he could get back quicker - i know he needs to practice and in terms of reps hes kind of like a rookie. But, he was around all last year and this offseason - hes been in all the meetings. So, he knows the offense. He knows the routes. Hes just got to physically do it. So, i dont think he'll need the 2 months or so that a true rookie would to be game ready. Give him 3-4 weeks of practice and i think he could contribute at a basic level.

As a big, strong, explosive player - he should be able to effect a game with his physical abilities alone. So, he could reasonably after just a couple weeks of practice be out there a couple plays a game running go routes to open the field up or take a shot or 2 a game.

Edited August 17, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rmw10]

The official last day of TC is Friday. Then, game planning starts, which means the season is close!

[Daft Classic]

https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/765955849659396096

Steve Smith activated from PUP. Can start practicing as soon as Monday. 

Edited August 17, 2016 by Daft Classic

[Sherly_Tebow]

^beat me to it. Also Suggs had a leaping interception thrown by Joe. Apparently the D is balling with him back

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

My mom thinks perriman is purposely stealing his rookie contract with no intentions of ever playing. Ridiculous lol

Your mom is old school. No excuses or they're fibbing.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 minutes ago, Daft Classic said:

https://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/765955849659396096

Steve Smith activated from PUP. Can start practicing as soon as Monday. 

Oh boy.... its coming together.

The thoroughbreds are starting to trot out one by one. Couple more to go, but once the parade is finished - its gonna be one glorious occasion.

This team is going to be dangerous.... Really dangerous. I think we're looking at the best offense we've ever had and a revival of the defense. Not the best ever, but a fast, swarming, hard-hitting, nasty defense that stuffs the run, gets after the QB, and may not play the best coverage but lays punishing hits when catches are made.

This team is going to wear opponents down... It might take a while but i suspect itll be firing on all cylinders by Week 10 or so, and we're gonna make a run.

[757RavensFan]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's not even sourced and given the rarity of a partially torn ACL, I highly doubt they actually have a set time table. They probably take it case by case and Harbaugh himself said that the doctors told him eight weeks.

I'm not gonna be one to sit here and bash Perriman because injuries happen and I was merely pointing out eight weeks to show that he's probably really close to being back.

But just curious, imagine you hadn't seen this unsourced article just published today. What would you have said the recovery time frame was?

No dog in this fight, but I recall reading after it was determined that it wasn't a season ending injury that 2-3 months was an estimated return for him. 

[757RavensFan]

Scroll to the bottom and look at the video of the 70 yard TD pass from Flacco to Reynolds.  

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News--Notes-817-Terrell-Suggs-Looks-More-Like-Himself-With-Interception/a12ff05b-1c31-43fd-88e3-0e9b4728bb70

What the heck was Webb looking at during this play?  His ball awareness on this completion is horrible. 

 

[Drew P]

13 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Scroll to the bottom and look at the video of the 70 yard TD pass from Flacco to Reynolds.  

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News--Notes-817-Terrell-Suggs-Looks-More-Like-Himself-With-Interception/a12ff05b-1c31-43fd-88e3-0e9b4728bb70

What the heck was Webb looking at during this play?  His ball awareness on this completion is horrible. 

 

Knee jerk reaction but the secondary after Weddle and Jimmy is still a huge question mark.

[Ravensfan23]

52 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Knee jerk reaction but the secondary after Weddle and Jimmy is still a huge question mark.

definitely knee jerk, but Webb was so late on the play that Reynolds was nearly in the endzone while Webb was still looking back for the ball lol. 

I think the secondary will play well though. Glad Daivs seems to be getting back. 

[Cville-Raven]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Scroll to the bottom and look at the video of the 70 yard TD pass from Flacco to Reynolds.  

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News--Notes-817-Terrell-Suggs-Looks-More-Like-Himself-With-Interception/a12ff05b-1c31-43fd-88e3-0e9b4728bb70

What the heck was Webb looking at during this play?  His ball awareness on this completion is horrible. 

 

It's one play so I won't judge him, but it does look really bad. lol he's still looking for the ball while Reynolds is running into the endzone.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

It's one play so I won't judge him, but it does look really bad. lol he's still looking for the ball while Reynolds is running into the endzone.

He actually just started to turn his head as the ball flew over him. Terrible look.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Scroll to the bottom and look at the video of the 70 yard TD pass from Flacco to Reynolds.  

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News--Notes-817-Terrell-Suggs-Looks-More-Like-Himself-With-Interception/a12ff05b-1c31-43fd-88e3-0e9b4728bb70

What the heck was Webb looking at during this play?  His ball awareness on this completion is horrible. 

 

I know the numbers are stacked against him and he still has struggles in certain areas but Reynolds will make things tough for someone at the end of this roster I think. Still may be destined for the PS unless Camp is hurt or Perriman is PUPed, but if Camp does get hurt again, I think Reynolds is starting to gain some trust with his coaches and teammates. 

Also I won't touch the Levine thing again, but if Elam and Brooks continue to play as well as they have, how do you not keep both these young guys? Is Lewis the odd guy out? He's been doing well too. It'll be interesting to see how snaps go Saturday night. 

[rmw10]

More minor roster movement.  Sam Brown has been hurt, as well as a host of other DBs, so likely another move to get a healthy body in.

 

[RayRocks]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

More minor roster movement.  Sam Brown has been hurt, as well as a host of other DBs, so likely another move to get a healthy body in.

 

Brown seems like a prime PS candidate to me.

 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

Brown seems like a prime PS candidate to me.

 

Seems like a guy that you could see resurface at some point if he gets healthy.