2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Remember how correa was considered undersized? That dude looks big in the OTA footage. He's barrel chested, broad shoulders, built like a tree trunk from his core down to his thighs, and is probably the most gifted athlete we have on our defense. 

 

Don't be surprised if KC comes in and contends for DROY in multiple positions

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Cmon man lol. That's beyond unrealistic. He's a very good athlete but he's not the most gifted athlete we've got on the defense. He has the potential to be a beast, but he's got a lot of problems. 

 

I doubt this, and I LIKE Correa

[JoeyFlex5]

Name a freak athlete anywhere near as explosive on our defense then... I'll wait lol. 

 

And what's with this... KC was being touted by quite a few people around here as a DROY sleeper before the draft and suddenly it's unrealistic? I Don't see it. This isnt the 2014 class, it's a lot less flashy at the top and the real high ceiling guys came later, like nkemdiche, spence, correa, cravens, deion jones... I think they're all more likely droy candidates than bosa or Lawson or ragland. Floyd was the only super flashy defender at the top and there is a chance his size becomes a problem.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'd say Kaufausi is a more gifted athlete. Less explosive sure, but he's big, strong, and fast. Has a better chance to be a starter this year if you ask me. Easily coachable, and in most other dline classes he goes at the end of the first round. Whereas, this is a terrible edge rush class. KC may have great raw athletic ability but he's exactly that, raw. I think he's a good player at MLB, but I think Kaufausi not only has the better rookie season but the better career. 

 

 

Remember, KC is going to have to put on weight. Bronson doesn't really have to and is still pretty explosive for a bigger guy.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'd say Kaufausi is a more gifted athlete. Less explosive sure, but he's big, strong, and fast. Has a better chance to be a starter this year if you ask me. Easily coachable, and in most other dline classes he goes at the end of the first round. Whereas, this is a terrible edge rush class. KC may have great raw athletic ability but he's exactly that, raw. I think he's a good player at MLB, but I think Kaufausi not only has the better rookie season but the better career. 

 

 

Remember, KC is going to have to put on weight. Bronson doesn't really have to and is still pretty explosive for a bigger guy.

BK is very far from playing shape and it's possible that KC doesn't even need to add weight. He has raw strength in his game and hand usage was the bigger problem, he's less than ideal weight for a 34OLB but PROPORTIONALLY he is quite strong, good hand usage could possibly negate his so called "undersized" issue. Meanwhile BK already had a nagging back injury, and I'm sure his fat midsection and bad weight distribution played a part, he is too narrow in the legs and shoulders and too soft in the midsection right now and he will need to make a huge difference in his conditioning and strength training. Don't be surprised if BK spends his rookie year fighting nagging injuries in his core and lower body, I think between the 2 BK definitely has more work to do.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Won't take long until he is in shape. Even if he proportionally strong is he strong enough to take on NFL level tackles and guards yet. More importantly has his technique developed. It's a different game with the pads on, and one Kaufausi is more ready for at the moment. Kaufausi needs to get into better shape, but he's far more pro ready. 

[ravefan52]

46 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Name a freak athlete anywhere near as explosive on our defense then... I'll wait lol. 

 

And what's with this... KC was being touted by quite a few people around here as a DROY sleeper before the draft and suddenly it's unrealistic? I Don't see it. This isnt the 2014 class, it's a lot less flashy at the top and the real high ceiling guys came later, like nkemdiche, spence, correa, cravens, deion jones... I think they're all more likely droy candidates than bosa or Lawson or ragland. Floyd was the only super flashy defender at the top and there is a chance his size becomes a problem.

Well Dumervil is one of the most explosive edge rushers in the NFL. There's others I would put ahead too.

The thought of Correa being a more likely DROY candidate than Bosa is hilarious. Bosa is worlds better than any of those guys you mentioned, though with Nkemdiche he's more so on par talent wise.

Edited July 23, 2016 by ravefan52

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Well Dumervil is one of the most explosive edge rushers in the NFL. There's others I would put ahead too.

The thought of Correa being a more likely DROY candidate than Bosa is hilarious. Bosa is worlds better than any of those guys you mentioned, though with Nkemdiche he's more so on par talent wise.

Look man, I'm a bosa fan, always have been, you can check the draft forums, but I've said from day one and many agree, that bosa isn't exactly the most likely droy candidate, he's a very technically sound and well rounded player, but he isn't gonna come in and blast into the league with a 12 sack rookie year, and With bosa being a legitimate DE that's the kind of flashy performance he will need to win such an award. KC appearing to be more of a traditional linebacker, won't have this imaginary prerequisite number he needs to hit, if he's moving around at different LB spots, he will contend for it just by being disruptive and making a lot of tackles, but a DE needs sacks to win these awards, it's just the nature of their positions. 

 

And dumervil is far from a freak athlete. He has a good first step and snap timing, and his leverage helps him get a great bullrush, But correa is way more explosive. Have you seen the guys tape? The ravens have some good technically sound defenders, but explosiveness and speed is something we seriously lack, and correa has plenty of those traits, more so than any player in our front seven currently.

[JoeyFlex5]

the kid is raw, he could stand to add 10 lbs, he needs better hands, but he can absolutely contend for droy, Anthony Barr had all the same concerns and was top 5 for droy and is practically the same player lol.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I wish he was Anthony Barr, but his athletic ability is on another level. He played RUNNING BACK(well F-Back to be more specific which was basically running back in that weird pistol offense they ran... Thanks Nuheisel) for UCLA his first two years before Mora moved him to LB. He's got crazy speed and burst that even Correa, a player who isn't lacking in that department, has. He could be a dominant player as a 3-4 Edge rusher but that's not who he was. At UCLA he was unblockable at times because he was far to big or strong for anyone to deal with. Not to mention Barr had 10 pounds on Correa coming into the draft. Barr is a completely different animal. I would know, I've watched almost every snap of his UCLA career. Anthony Barr is a freak of nature, a guy that big should not be that fast or explosive. Correa is a great athlete, but he's not Anthony Barr. He's far from it. 

[ravefan52]

Sounds like we just view him pretty differently. That's very clear to me after seeing you say he's practically the same player Barr is or even was coming out of UCLA..

I agree Bosa may not get as much attention as he's not that speed edge rusher, but he's still a beast and I think he'll be better immediately than any other 1st rounder defender much less 2nd rounders.

Edited July 23, 2016 by ravefan52

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Let me put it this way... Most years a guy like Barr is taken in the top 5.. But he had Mack and Clowney to compete with in what was a very good draft class in 2014. Correa couldn't crack the first round in a dismal class. What does that tell you?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm sorry. But I was gunning for us to trade up for Barr.. I liked Correa coming out of school but I thought he went where he should've. Barr as of right now has very good coverage skills and is just a monster. He can put pressure on the QB like it's nobody's business. Even though his sack totals are low, 18 QB hurries as a strong side linebacker is damn impressive. And he's far better in coverage than Correa has the potential to be... Barr was never asked to be a cover man at UCLA, but the seldom times that he was he was decent. Correa isn't terrible but he needs a hell of a lot more work, but Barr was far more fluid in his hips. 

 

I'm sorry. I'd trade two first rounders for Barr. He's someone who we can build our defense around easy. He played a 3-4 in college and was damn good at it. He was far better than Correa was as a prospect and if Correa becomes anywhere close to him, Ozzie Newsome will have pulled off one of the bigger steals in recent memory 

[JoeyFlex5]

Maybe an exaggeration. Maybe I should've said the same TYPE of player. edge rushers, but not DEs, but also off the ball linebackers, but considered undersized for a 34OLB in the NFL, and great athletes. Strange "fit" guys but getting them on the field will bring results. Barr is just a higher caliber guy. 

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

6 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

 

Kamalei Correa the most gifted athlete on our defense... What?!?

Hope springs eternal this time of year. Especially after a 5-11 season.  Its the excitable time.

[Edgar]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Remember how correa was considered undersized? That dude looks big in the OTA footage. He's barrel chested, broad shoulders, built like a tree trunk from his core down to his thighs, and is probably the most gifted athlete we have on our defense. 

 

Don't be surprised if KC comes in and contends for DROY in multiple positions

That would surprise me. I guess I will need to see where he is used. I'm interested to see how he gets on the field beyond teams in year one.

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I wish he was Anthony Barr, but his athletic ability is on another level. He played RUNNING BACK(well F-Back to be more specific which was basically running back in that weird pistol offense they ran... Thanks Nuheisel) for UCLA his first two years before Mora moved him to LB. He's got crazy speed and burst that even Correa, a player who isn't lacking in that department, has. He could be a dominant player as a 3-4 Edge rusher but that's not who he was. At UCLA he was unblockable at times because he was far to big or strong for anyone to deal with. Not to mention Barr had 10 pounds on Correa coming into the draft. Barr is a completely different animal. I would know, I've watched almost every snap of his UCLA career. Anthony Barr is a freak of nature, a guy that big should not be that fast or explosive. Correa is a great athlete, but he's not Anthony Barr. He's far from it. 

I wasn't a huge fan of Barr being the best OLB in that class like some members here because I didn't think he held up well enough against the run, but even I won't argue that he was flat out explosive and dominant as a pass rusher. Fast as hell, agile as anyone, and just damn explosive.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wasn't a huge fan of Barr being the best OLB in that class like some members here because I didn't think he held up well enough against the run, but even I won't argue that he was flat out explosive and dominant as a pass rusher. Fast as hell, agile as anyone, and just damn explosive.

If Correa turns out to be an Anthony Barr type I'll be jumping for joy. That dude has turned into an elite NFL player even with low sack totals. But I doubt it. 

 

I would still bank on Kaufusi not only being the better athlete but player long term. A dlinemen his size shouldn't be that fast and strong. Even if his "core distribution" isn't good that doesn't hinder his overall athletic ability. I think if healthy he's a day one starter and a much needed upgrade as an interior pass rusher 

[757RavensFan]

SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Perriman, Rolle, Trent Richardson placed on PUP to start TC.

[jimmypowder]

18 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Perriman, Rolle, Trent Richardson placed on PUP to start TC.

I thought Perriman was gonna be ready by training camp . Jeez .?

[Ravensfan23]

16 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Perriman, Rolle, Trent Richardson placed on PUP to start TC.

Pretty much expected all these guys to be on there. The good news is who's not on this list. Jimmy Smith, Pitta, Camp and WIll Davis. 

I think it's huge for all those guys not to start camp off on PUP. Camp and Pitta have their careers on the line while Davis and Smith just need that piece of mind that they won't be slowed by their lower body injuries at DB. 

Also #5 not being on their is huge for the offense to grow this continuity. 

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

I thought Perriman was gonna be ready by training camp . Jeez .?

Please let's not start this again. It was said that Perriman would be ready at some point during camp but should definitely be ready for the start of the season. Hopefully Wallace and Moore can keep everyone off of Perriman watch this year. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Please let's not start this again. It was said that Perriman would be ready at some point during camp but should definitely be ready for the start of the season. Hopefully Wallace and Moore can keep everyone off of Perriman watch this year. 

All anticipation of Perriman making a difference has to be tempered by the fact that he missed last year entirely and that surgery was initially proposed  until they opted for stem cell treatment.  Evaluating the coming year should not factor Perriman.  Concern is one reason Wallace and Moore were acquired.  If Perriman makes a contribution it will be a bonus.

[ravensdan]

44 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

I thought Perriman was gonna be ready by training camp . Jeez .?

Why?

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Perriman, Rolle, Trent Richardson placed on PUP to start TC.

Active/PUP, just to clarify.  A lot of people freak out when they see PUP.  They can be activated and back at practice at any point.  Them going on PUP now just means they couldn't pass the conditioning test, which is no surprise considering none of them even attempted it yet.

[Ravensfan23]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Active/PUP, just to clarify.  A lot of people freak out when they see PUP.  They can be activated and back at practice at any point.  Them going on PUP now just means they couldn't pass the conditioning test, which is no surprise considering none of them even attempted it yet.

Also for guys like SSS, Suggs and Doom how much practice do they really need? Maybe a preseason game or 2? So with those guys on PUP you're able to bring in a few more camp bodies. Those guys being held out for the 1st 2 weeks of camp when the practices are a lot more taxing probably isn't such a bad idea knowing they all have lower body injuries they recovered from. Ease them back into the fold for the 2nd PS game and the next week is the game plan week which basically means training camp is over. If those guys aren't practicing much I don't think it's a huge deal. 

[rmw10]

36 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Also for guys like SSS, Suggs and Doom how much practice do they really need? Maybe a preseason game or 2? So with those guys on PUP you're able to bring in a few more camp bodies. Those guys being held out for the 1st 2 weeks of camp when the practices are a lot more taxing probably isn't such a bad idea knowing they all have lower body injuries they recovered from. Ease them back into the fold for the 2nd PS game and the next week is the game plan week which basically means training camp is over. If those guys aren't practicing much I don't think it's a huge deal. 

They're part of the Active/PUP so they still counts against the 90 man roster, to clarify.  Regardless, this isn't concerning at all that they have this designation.  It's procedural more than anything.  I just know a lot of people have freaked out in the past.

[CalvinSmoke]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Maybe an exaggeration. Maybe I should've said the same TYPE of player. edge rushers, but not DEs, but also off the ball linebackers, but considered undersized for a 34OLB in the NFL, and great athletes. Strange "fit" guys but getting them on the field will bring results. Barr is just a higher caliber guy. 

 

I said the same things about Bosa and Upshaw, with Bosa having a higher ceiling but siniytype of player. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Perriman on pup? ....

(sharpens pitchfork)

 

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Perriman on pup? ....

(sharpens pitchfork)

 

*Lights torch*

[757RavensFan]

18 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Pretty much expected all these guys to be on there. The good news is who's not on this list. Jimmy Smith, Pitta, Camp and WIll Davis. 

I think it's huge for all those guys not to start camp off on PUP. Camp and Pitta have their careers on the line while Davis and Smith just need that piece of mind that they won't be slowed by their lower body injuries at DB. 

Also #5 not being on their is huge for the offense to grow this continuity. 

Kaufausi, is cleared also.  Excited to see what he's capable of.