Campanaro vs Reynolds

[Cillmatic]

Reynolds serves as 4 possible positions: WR/KR/PR/Emergancy QB and he has no injury history that I'm aware of.

 

I love Camp but he's simply not reliable enough to be given a spot instead of a guy like Reynolds.

[FastEddie]

writing on the wall per rotoworld. Disparaging for all of us Campanero supporters. I still don't see how the Ravens cut him..to many underlying questions and ability to pass up

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Ravens sixth-round rookie Keenan Reynolds is "further along" at receiver than the team anticipated at this point.

ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley calls Reynolds the "most intriguing rookie on the team" and expects him to get a shot to return punts and see snaps on offense. Reynolds was a triple-option quarterback at Navy and set the record with 88 rushing touchdowns. He has a good shot to make the team.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, FastEddie said:

writing on the wall per rotoworld. Disparaging for all of us Campanero supporters. I still don't see how the Ravens cut him..to many underlying questions and ability to pass up

 

Pretty much how I thought it would be.  There's so much intrigue that you simply can't let Reynolds go.  This is one of the few times where I feel absolutely confident in saying that they won't even think about risking a late round rookie to waivers.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Pretty much how I thought it would be.  There's so much intrigue that you simply can't let Reynolds go.  This is one of the few times where I feel absolutely confident in saying that they won't even think about risking a late round rookie to waivers.

88 TDs is no joke. He's certainly not a QB, not a RB, not a WR... but that record speaks to his athleticism and gift for doing work in space. It's a guy that you almost have to build a role for and scheme ways to get the ball in his hands in open space. He may never develop as a traditional receiver, but always could transition like Edelman.

Or he could carve out a career like Harvin did... making plays in space as receiver, returner and even taking hand offs. I mean, look at how many injuries and set backs that guy had, and up til last year he was still drawing huge interested from teams. Even though he was injured almost the entire season, he exploded in the playoffs for Seattle when they won the SB.

Reynolds may have that type of ability... a guy thats not going to line up every down outside or in the slot; but give him 5-6 touches a game and hes bound to make a big play. There's always room in the NFL for guys like him, which is why i think he either makes the roster outright or he gets IR. They wont risk losing him to waivers. You cant let Belichick, Hue Jackson, or a Chip Kelly get their hands on him. They may not have wanted to use a draft pick, but if its not gonna cost them anything I would guarantee one of those guys would take a flier on him.

Him in Chips offense would be a great fit. The playbook is so simple, and mostly asks the receivers to run very simple routes... theres only a few plays.... and its all about stretching the field horizontally and vertically (which Torrey does for them) to get a player the ball quickly in space. Reynolds could probably do some damage in that scenario.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

88 TDs is no joke. He's certainly not a QB, not a RB, not a WR... but that record speaks to his athleticism and gift for doing work in space. It's a guy that you almost have to build a role for and scheme ways to get the ball in his hands in open space. He may never develop as a traditional receiver, but always could transition like Edelman.

Or he could carve out a career like Harvin did... making plays in space as receiver, returner and even taking hand offs. I mean, look at how many injuries and set backs that guy had, and up til last year he was still drawing huge interested from teams. Even though he was injured almost the entire season, he exploded in the playoffs for Seattle when they won the SB.

Reynolds may have that type of ability... a guy thats not going to line up every down outside or in the slot; but give him 5-6 touches a game and hes bound to make a big play. There's always room in the NFL for guys like him, which is why i think he either makes the roster outright or he gets IR. They wont risk losing him to waivers. You cant let Belichick, Hue Jackson, or a Chip Kelly get their hands on him. They may not have wanted to use a draft pick, but if its not gonna cost them anything I would guarantee one of those guys would take a flier on him.

Him in Chips offense would be a great fit. The playbook is so simple, and mostly asks the receivers to run very simple routes... theres only a few plays.... and its all about stretching the field horizontally and vertically (which Torrey does for them) to get a player the ball quickly in space. Reynolds could probably do some damage in that scenario.

Exactly.  He may not be completely developed as a WR, but that doesn't mean he doesn't bring value in a myriad of different roles.  This is a team certainly lacking true playmakers, and I think that's kind of what they envision with Reynolds.  He may not be the biggest or fastest guy on the field, but you know that when he has the ball, he has the ability to make something happen.  Maybe he develops into that guy and maybe he doesn't.  I'd venture to guess that they're more than willing to find out if he can rather than risking it after one camp.  They know he's a work in progress.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Exactly.  He may not be completely developed as a WR, but that doesn't mean he doesn't bring value in a myriad of different roles.  This is a team certainly lacking true playmakers, and I think that's kind of what they envision with Reynolds.  He may not be the biggest or fastest guy on the field, but you know that when he has the ball, he has the ability to make something happen.  Maybe he develops into that guy and maybe he doesn't.  I'd venture to guess that they're more than willing to find out if he can rather than risking it after one camp.  They know he's a work in progress.

Thats the other thing. They used a draft pick on him, which Oz values like gold. When they did that, they knew what they were getting - a lower level, triple option QB that would have a HUGE transition on his hand... not just of QB to WR, but also to a pro style offense.

Theres no way you make that pick unless you have a plan in place in the event that he doesnt make that transition in just a couple months. Knowing there was a risk that this pick wouldnt pan out until maybe the 2nd or 3rd year, they know exactly how they plan to retain his rights should he not be ready to contribute right away. Whether thats being prepared to IR him if need be, or preparing to operate as if they only have 52 roster spots to dole out; theyve got a plan in place to keep the guy.

[Ravensfan23]

9 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Pretty much how I thought it would be.  There's so much intrigue that you simply can't let Reynolds go.  This is one of the few times where I feel absolutely confident in saying that they won't even think about risking a late round rookie to waivers.

whoa that's a huge statement for you lol. I know you dislike the whole, "can't risk this guy to waivers" talk as much as I do. But I do agree in Reynolds case and actually think it's Butler who gets the short end of the stick because the Ravens will keep 7 WRs but both Reynolds and Camp will make the 53 as long as Camp stays healthy. 

[rmw10]

40 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

whoa that's a huge statement for you lol. I know you dislike the whole, "can't risk this guy to waivers" talk as much as I do. But I do agree in Reynolds case and actually think it's Butler who gets the short end of the stick because the Ravens will keep 7 WRs but both Reynolds and Camp will make the 53 as long as Camp stays healthy. 

Definitely out of the norm lol. This is probably the one time it'll come back to bite me knowing my luck, but hey, I'm feeling good about this one. All signs point to the organization loving Reynolds. 

I'd agree that right now, Butler unfortunately gets the short end of the stick. I'm not so confident Camp hangs around though, even if healthy. 

[trevorsteadman]

Reynolds just comes off like that guy working hard at Navy and everything that will "make himself a player". He has had to switch positions and has already impressed. I don't think he would have been drafted any later than the 4th round if not for his Naval duties that potentially could have kept him from football, which, now we know will not be the case at least for this season. He just seems to have a high fooball IQ and that teamed up with his vision and athletic ability I think he can be a terror at slot receiver. 

If he does become the slot receiver think of the trick plays the Ravens could use once every game that burns us every year like Edelman and Sanu have in the past. 

[Ravensfan23]

21 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Definitely out of the norm lol. This is probably the one time it'll come back to bite me knowing my luck, but hey, I'm feeling good about this one. All signs point to the organization loving Reynolds. 

I'd agree that right now, Butler unfortunately gets the short end of the stick. I'm not so confident Camp hangs around though, even if healthy. 

If healthy I think the Ravens love Camp enough to at least reward the kid for constantly working hard. Ideally if healthy I see Camp being given every opportunity to handle that slot position and showcase his full potential. While Reynolds will be eased into the offense with a screen(other short passes) or two per game but given full return duties. 

Then at the bye week/trade deadline you trade Camp for a equal or higher pick then where you drafted him. Slot WRs have become very valuable in the NFL and I think Camp can be among the best if healthy. If he can stay healthy over the first 6 games or so, I don't think it would be difficult to trade him especially being in a position where you don't have to release. This allows Reynolds to get his feet wet a bit before taking over that slot role later in the season. 

Also you might see Butler sneak onto the 53 if and hopefully this isn't the case, but if Perriman has to start the season on the PUP. I know he's projection to be good to go for the start of the season, but I think the entire organization would do best to take a wait and see approach with Perriman. Him being on the PUP would suck but it would also give the Ravens a bit of flexibility with that final roster spot. 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

If healthy I think the Ravens love Camp enough to at least reward the kid for constantly working hard. Ideally if healthy I see Camp being given every opportunity to handle that slot position and showcase his full potential. While Reynolds will be eased into the offense with a screen(other short passes) or two per game but given full return duties. 

Then at the bye week/trade deadline you trade Camp for a equal or higher pick then where you drafted him. Slot WRs have become very valuable in the NFL and I think Camp can be among the best if healthy. If he can stay healthy over the first 6 games or so, I don't think it would be difficult to trade him especially being in a position where you don't have to release. This allows Reynolds to get his feet wet a bit before taking over that slot role later in the season. 

Also you might see Butler sneak onto the 53 if and hopefully this isn't the case, but if Perriman has to start the season on the PUP. I know he's projection to be good to go for the start of the season, but I think the entire organization would do best to take a wait and see approach with Perriman. Him being on the PUP would suck but it would also give the Ravens a bit of flexibility with that final roster spot. 

You and I both know injuries will always (and unfortunately) play a part in it.  It's a sad reality.

I think Camp is in trouble solely because of a numbers game.  One would assume that if healthy, you have 6 locks or near locks already on the roster.  Can we keep 7 this year?  It's tough to say.  What could ultimately save him is if Stevie or Breshad needs some extra time to rest up.

Regardless, I don't think you can truly rule anything out.  The organization still seems to love Campanaro.  Butler consistently draws rave reviews and it's been reported for a couple of years now that his teammates love him.  Matthews is kind of forgotten, but he offers some size on the outside that no one else offers.  Clay could find his way on with some dynamic returns, although his chances are probably slim and he can probably be slipped onto the PS pretty easily.

[The Raven]

25 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

You and I both know injuries will always (and unfortunately) play a part in it.  It's a sad reality.

I think Camp is in trouble solely because of a numbers game.  One would assume that if healthy, you have 6 locks or near locks already on the roster.  Can we keep 7 this year?  It's tough to say.  What could ultimately save him is if Stevie or Breshad needs some extra time to rest up.

Regardless, I don't think you can truly rule anything out.  The organization still seems to love Campanaro.  Butler consistently draws rave reviews and it's been reported for a couple of years now that his teammates love him.  Matthews is kind of forgotten, but he offers some size on the outside that no one else offers.  Clay could find his way on with some dynamic returns, although his chances are probably slim and he can probably be slipped onto the PS pretty easily.

One thing I think factors into this, too, is the tight end situation. I can easily see Pitta carving out a role as a slot guy/flexed tight end, taking the possession.chain mover job Campanaro projected to fill. It might turn out that we carry six receivers and four tight ends. If we carry four tight ends, we're not keeping seven receivers, and even six might be a stretch. With tight ends like Pitta and Williams, who knows?

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, The Raven said:

One thing I think factors into this, too, is the tight end situation. I can easily see Pitta carving out a role as a slot guy/flexed tight end, taking the possession.chain mover job Campanaro projected to fill. It might turn out that we carry six receivers and four tight ends. If we carry four tight ends, we're not keeping seven receivers, and even six might be a stretch. With tight ends like Pitta and Williams, who knows?

TE and even RB to a lesser extent (if they want to keep 4) definitely factor in as well.  There are only 53 spots to go around, so while there may be some guys deserving of the roster, the numbers game could leave them without a job.

[Wildabeast88]

On July 18, 2016 at 11:21 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Thats fine and all... but we see every year WR's that have played the position their entire lives and were great in college in spread offenses, or even pro style offenses struggle at the technical aspects of the NFL game. And theyve been working on it their entire lives. Let alone receivers coming from an option offense whose main duties are to block.

Now, we're talking about a QB in an option offense whose never played WR. Just bc hes seens a WR run a route before doesnt mean he can do it.

Trust me, I like the kid and I have faith he'll eventually contribute. All im saying is that if Camp is healthy we know he can contribute. Im not cutting a guy who we've seen first hand make plays against NFL competition, for a guy who might develop into a playmaker at some point with enough repetition. You let a healthy camp go and hes gone forever.

Reynolds can go on the PS or IR, learn the craft, and you still own him for 3 years. More technical work and repetition isnt going to hurt the kid. IMO finding a way to keep both in the program is the best case scenario if Camp can stay healthy through TC. Obviously if hes injured again throughout hes gone and this isnt a discussion. But chances are we cant keep both on the roster - the numbers just arent there. And in that event, Camp is more ready to get on the field and contribute now, Reynolds will only benefit from more technical work, and its a scenario where we can keep both.

You cant tell me a 7th round, option QB has a grasp on route concepts and all the other nuances of the position when most pro style WRs coming out of college dont have it down. The guy ran the ball more than twice as much as he threw it. Thats not a complex passing offense that even scratches the surface of whats expected of an NFL WR for one thing.... and even if it did, seeing it from the QB side isnt the same as actually doing it.

I get what you are saying. But he understands the concepts is what I'm saying.  The biggest issue is Camp can't be a playmaker from the sidelines also if Reynolds goes on IR he can not practice with the team at all so he could only work out on his own.