$13M in cap space &Tucker's Contract Negotiations

[Sherly_Tebow]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

To do what?

Is he still any good? I know we don't really have a need for him with Camp/Reynolds doing returns and our WR core deep as it is. 

[ludy51]

4 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

Is he still any good? I know we don't really have a need for him with Camp/Reynolds doing returns and our WR core deep as it is. 

We could sign him just to say we have Devin Hester on our team

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

Is he still any good? I know we don't really have a need for him with Camp/Reynolds doing returns and our WR core deep as it is. 

You just answered your own question.

[Sherly_Tebow]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You just answered your own question.

I'm just wondering if he would be an upgrade if we signed him, even though we don't have a need for him.

[RaineV1]

I think Hester could be an upgrade over Reynolds and Camp as the kick returner since he has more speed (if healthy and if he didn't slow down). Though Camp/Reynolds probably has better change of direction speed at this point, so they'd be better punt returners.

[Mt. Crushmore]

On July 26, 2016 at 10:05 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I thought they were talking about Willie Henry?? He played at Michigan.

Maybe, I did read very little of the thread to be fair. First venture into Ravens Talk for a while.

[jazz1988]

On 7/26/2016 at 11:04 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

To do what?

Hester is one of the better kick and punt returner in the league. I don't think The Ravens should sign him right away but he may come in consideration if the young guys they have now competing for the kick/punt return position don't impress.

[RaineV1]

The PFF scouting report for Willie Henry gives some good reasons why he went in the 4th:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-willie-henry-dt-michigan/

He's very athletic, but there's a lot of development needed.

[RavensFanMania]

On 7/26/2016 at 9:39 AM, Mt. Crushmore said:

And he was a D2 player, which is below even FCS.

I'm talking about willie henry and he went to Michigan.  Anyway, I'm sure you know this.  Who do you think I'm talking about though?

[Mt. Crushmore]

Just now, RavensFanMania said:

I'm talking about willie henry and he went to Michigan.  Anyway, I'm sure you know this.  Who do you think I'm talking about though?

Brandon Williams 

[RavensFanMania]

On 7/26/2016 at 11:05 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I thought they were talking about Willie Henry?? He played at Michigan.

I was talking about Willie Henry.  @Mt. Crushmorejust misunderstoon and for good reason considering the title of the thread.

Edited July 28, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Hester is one of the better kick and punt returner in the league. I don't think The Ravens should sign him right away but he may come in consideration if the young guys they have now competing for the kick/punt return position don't impress.

WAS. WAS one of the better kick and punt returners in the league.

He's also 33 and coming off major toe injuries. 

Given our current roster, we don't have the luxury of bringing in a return "specialist" who offers literally nothing in any other phase. We ditched Jacoby Jones for basically the same reason. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

WAS. WAS one of the better kick and punt returners in the league.

He's also 33 and coming off major toe injuries. 

Given our current roster, we don't have the luxury of bringing in a return "specialist" who offers literally nothing in any other phase. We ditched Jacoby Jones for basically the same reason. 

Yea, plus as you point out I dont know that hes even an upgrade as a returner. Chances are - probably not. I know Clay is better at this point, so if we need a RS we can just keep Clay who has a chance at actually improving and offering something as a receiver and is cheaper. No need to pay more, for a worse player, thats less versatile.

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

WAS. WAS one of the better kick and punt returners in the league.

He's also 33 and coming off major toe injuries. 

Given our current roster, we don't have the luxury of bringing in a return "specialist" who offers literally nothing in any other phase. We ditched Jacoby Jones for basically the same reason. 

Hey may be coming off a toe injury and  is 33 years old but that doesn't mean he won't come in to consideration if the young guys disappoint .The fact that Hester  had 33 reception  worth 500 receiving yards not too long gives me the impression  he can help in other areas as well. Besides Camp what other receiver people really think will be able to provide more than being a  return specialist.I know training camp just started but   Clay didn't show anything as a receiver last year and Reynolds  is a former quarterback learning how to be a receiver. Unless Camp is the only one to make the final roster then most likely either one of those guys are going to be return specialist only.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

47 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Hey may be coming off a toe injury and  is 33 years old but that doesn't mean he won't come in to consideration if the young guys disappoint .The fact that Hester  had 33 reception  worth 500 receiving yards not too long gives me the impression  he can help in other areas as well. Besides Camp what other receiver people really think will be able to provide more than being a  return specialist.I know training camp just started but   Clay didn't show anything as a receiver last year and Reynolds  is a former quarterback learning how to be a receiver. Unless Camp is the only one to make the final roster then most likely either one of those guys are going to be return specialist only.

 

I dont know that i necessarily agree.. but even if so a major difference is still upside. Reynolds especially has a ton of talent and potential and if you bring in a guy like Hester to be your returner then thats one less roster spot you cant use on a guy like Reynolds who you want to hang on to for the future when those are already hard to come by.

So, if its questionable that he'd even be the best returner, is going to cost more, and has no upside in terms of future I just dont see the reason to even entertain bringing him here.

[rmcjacket23]

57 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Hey may be coming off a toe injury and  is 33 years old but that doesn't mean he won't come in to consideration if the young guys disappoint .The fact that Hester  had 33 reception  worth 500 receiving yards not too long gives me the impression  he can help in other areas as well. Besides Camp what other receiver people really think will be able to provide more than being a  return specialist.I know training camp just started but   Clay didn't show anything as a receiver last year and Reynolds  is a former quarterback learning how to be a receiver. Unless Camp is the only one to make the final roster then most likely either one of those guys are going to be return specialist only.

 

Yeah the receiver argument doesn't work. For starters, he was the 3rd option in Atlanta in 2014 when he put up those incredibly pedestrian numbers, AND that was in an extremely pass heavy offense. At best, if he had a great camp, he'd be the fifth WR on this team. 3rd WRs on this team, even excluding TEs, generally don't even put up those kinds of numbers. If he caught 10 passes the entire season, I'd be stunned.

If I had my choice between Clay and Hester, I'd take Clay easily. He will at least play a full compliment of special teams, not just a return man.

We've got like 4 guys in camp right now who could return kicks. They'd literally all have to suck or get injured for us to bring Hester in, and he will get scooped up long before that.

Its not happening.

[Deflated Football]

No to Hester. We already have a logjam at WR and he'd be nothing more than a luxury to have in the return game, if he's even healthy. 

[trevorsteadman]

10 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Hey may be coming off a toe injury and  is 33 years old but that doesn't mean he won't come in to consideration if the young guys disappoint .The fact that Hester  had 33 reception  worth 500 receiving yards not too long gives me the impression  he can help in other areas as well. Besides Camp what other receiver people really think will be able to provide more than being a  return specialist.I know training camp just started but   Clay didn't show anything as a receiver last year and Reynolds  is a former quarterback learning how to be a receiver. Unless Camp is the only one to make the final roster then most likely either one of those guys are going to be return specialist only.

 

Jacoby Jones fell off a cliff around that age. Plus you don't want to give Hester a roster spot to have another wide receiver or a player at another position that has yet to hit their prime get poached off of the practice squad.

Sounds like Reynolds so far has been impressing and coaches did not see him transitioning so well when they first drafted him.

To add to it Hester would be near the bottom of the depth chart, basically also being a "return specialist". At his age you have to question how long he can last producing. There is very little chance he touches the field if signed here.

[JoeyFlex5]

"Let's kick the tires on hester, what could it hurt?" 

 

Well, hester is a grown man with responsibilities, I'm sure he doesnt wanna be jerked around flying out and trying out for a team that he has no place on. 

 

Our team has to accomodate him to Baltimore, flights, room and board, medical checks, all that. Why go through the process for a guy we really don't need... 

 

Reynolds at this point has a far higher ceiling and likely the same floor as a good kick returner because at his age hester is just that. Camp is a better option at punt returner at this point and at hesters age im not sure he's any safer a bet to stay healthy than camp. Hester has no shot to make the roster as a wr, and if he does he will be buried and would likely not produce much if at all on offense, so that leaves him to KR duties, we have 2 guys right now that both return well, one of them is proven to be a very good wr if healthy and the other is an incredibly high ceiling and character guy. 

 

There is absolutely no reason to kick the tires on hester and just because it doesn't hurt YOU doesn't mean somebody isn't wasting resources on a pointless workout.