Possible Trade Scenario - Arthur Brown

[MYTH420]

Nobody would give you anything for him. He hasn't played enough and when he has he hasn't looked good. I think they release Brown. They carry Mosley, Orr and McClellan as ILBs and Correa as a ILB/OLB hybrid. The Ravens will have to use that extra roster spot for a 4th TE, so they won't carry a 4th ILB.

Edited July 3, 2016 by MYTH420

[Tru11]

In madden everything is possible.

[rmcjacket23]

On 7/1/2016 at 6:14 PM, jazz1988 said:

Arthur Brown best attributes has always been his speed. In todays NFL speed is becoming valuable on defense especially with all the athletic tight ends, teams using receivers or even runningbacks in the slot and etc Arthur Brown has the speed to keep up with most tight ends and running backs in coverage not every team have linebackers with that potential.

Daryl Smith was cut because The Ravens may have figured they needed more speed at the middle of the field and If Arthur Brown wins the starting inside linebacker position then him and Mosley will make up a  pretty fast duo at the position .

The Ravens may run a multi style defense but for the most part they  a 3-4 defense. I think Wade Philips runs a similar style of defense and Demeco Ryan wasn't playing at his best until he was traded  to The Eagles which  ran a 4-3 defense in 2012.

OK, but then if his speed is so "valuable", why can't he get playing time ahead of Zach Orr?

And no, its not about special teams value, because we are talking about playing linebacker, not special teams. The Ravens don't pick their linebacker starters based on who is the better special teams player.

ST is how depth players make the team. Its a consideration when somebody like an Albert McClellan or Anthony Levine is trying to make the team as a 4th or 5th linebacker or safety. That's when ST matters.

We are talking about the 3rd MLB, and for now, the 2nd MLB who will be a "starter" on this defense. Do you really think the Ravens would start Orr over Brown strictly because he's a better ST player, even if they think Brown is the better LB? Of course not.

Its the biggest problem with referencing "speed" as an attribute to a player. Great attribute to have, but if its literally the ONLY attribute you have that makes you better than somebody else, thats a BIG problem.

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

OK, but then if his speed is so "valuable", why can't he get playing time ahead of Zach Orr?

And no, its not about special teams value, because we are talking about playing linebacker, not special teams. The Ravens don't pick their linebacker starters based on who is the better special teams player.

ST is how depth players make the team. Its a consideration when somebody like an Albert McClellan or Anthony Levine is trying to make the team as a 4th or 5th linebacker or safety. That's when ST matters.

We are talking about the 3rd MLB, and for now, the 2nd MLB who will be a "starter" on this defense. Do you really think the Ravens would start Orr over Brown strictly because he's a better ST player, even if they think Brown is the better LB? Of course not.

Its the biggest problem with referencing "speed" as an attribute to a player. Great attribute to have, but if its literally the ONLY attribute you have that makes you better than somebody else, thats a BIG problem.

 

Rather its  his speed or something else if The Ravens didn't see anything valuable about Arthur Brown than he wouldn't be on this team.Brown is not a better special team player than Orr and that is quite evident . Not every player is going to be great at special team but I think Harbaugh philosophy is if you can get special team down than you should be able to excel in other areas and I understand that philosophy.  The reason why I understand that philosophy is because  on special team you have to be discipline and aware which is needed on defense or even offense.  John Harbaugh is a  former special team coach so I can see him awarding players with more playing time than others if that player impress on special teams.

 

Some guys especially  high draft pick don't think they need to learn about special team especially if they were pretty good in college as a starter. Harbaugh a pretty fair coach and if i'm right about his philosophy then it's understandable why  Orr has got more playing time than Brown. Since Daryl Smith isn't around  it gives Brown every opportunity to be a starter even if Zach Orr continues to be the better special teamer because at end of the day The Ravens need a linebacker that can cover and play in space. Obviously that comes with speed but discipline as well is needed so may the best linebacker win and hopefully Brown wins because him and Mosley could make up a pretty dangerous duo.

 

I also agree with you and others that speed isn't the only thing a   player should have but it's still needed on this Ravens defense.  If you look at The Panthers and Broncos defense in the super bowl they both not only had discipline players and play makers but players with speed to handle most receivers and running backs in coverage.While in coverage Von Miller literally ran step for step with one of The Panthers speedy receivers on the foot ball field in the super bowl  because he had the speed to do so.

Edited July 5, 2016 by jazz1988

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Rather its  his speed or something else if The Ravens didn't see anything valuable about Arthur Brown than he wouldn't be on this team.Brown is not a better special team player than Orr and that is quite evident . Not every player is going to be great at special team but I think Harbaugh philosophy is if you can get special team down than you should be able to excel in other areas and I understand that philosophy.  The reason why I understand that philosophy is because  on special team you have to be discipline and aware which is needed on defense or even offense.  John Harbaugh is a  former special team coach so I can see him awarding players with more playing time than others if that player impress on special teams.

 

Some guys especially  high draft pick don't think they need to learn about special team especially if they were pretty good in college as a starter. Harbaugh a pretty fair coach and if i'm right about his philosophy then it's understandable why  Orr has got more playing time than Brown. Since Daryl Smith isn't around  it gives Brown every opportunity to be a starter even if Zach Orr continues to be the better special teamer because at end of the day The Ravens need a linebacker that can cover and play in space. Obviously that comes with speed but discipline as well is needed so may the best linebacker win and hopefully Brown wins because him and Mosley could make up a pretty dangerous duo.

 

I also agree with you and others that speed isn't the only thing a   player should have but it's still needed on this Ravens defense.  If you look at The Panthers and Broncos defense in the super bowl they both not only had discipline players and play makers but players with speed to handle most receivers and running backs in coverage.While in coverage Von Miller literally ran step for step with one of The Panthers speedy receivers on the foot ball field in the super bowl  because he had the speed to do so.

Maybe in 2014 did ST play a factor, but it certainly didn't last year.  He was active for all 16 games and saw only 10 snaps on defense, despite there being an opening for anyone to step up.  He didn't earn that, and that's because he hasn't been good in really any facet of the game thus far.  It was definitely not a decision based on ST ability.  It was a decision based on Arthur Brown's ability on defense.

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Rather its  his speed or something else if The Ravens didn't see anything valuable about Arthur Brown than he wouldn't be on this team.Brown is not a better special team player than Orr and that is quite evident . Not every player is going to be great at special team but I think Harbaugh philosophy is if you can get special team down than you should be able to excel in other areas and I understand that philosophy.  The reason why I understand that philosophy is because  on special team you have to be discipline and aware which is needed on defense or even offense.  John Harbaugh is a  former special team coach so I can see him awarding players with more playing time than others if that player impress on special teams.

 

Some guys especially  high draft pick don't think they need to learn about special team especially if they were pretty good in college as a starter. Harbaugh a pretty fair coach and if i'm right about his philosophy then it's understandable why  Orr has got more playing time than Brown. Since Daryl Smith isn't around  it gives Brown every opportunity to be a starter even if Zach Orr continues to be the better special teamer because at end of the day The Ravens need a linebacker that can cover and play in space. Obviously that comes with speed but discipline as well is needed so may the best linebacker win and hopefully Brown wins because him and Mosley could make up a pretty dangerous duo.

 

I also agree with you and others that speed isn't the only thing a   player should have but it's still needed on this Ravens defense.  If you look at The Panthers and Broncos defense in the super bowl they both not only had discipline players and play makers but players with speed to handle most receivers and running backs in coverage.While in coverage Von Miller literally ran step for step with one of The Panthers speedy receivers on the foot ball field in the super bowl  because he had the speed to do so.

Its not really a question of "if they didn't see anything valuable he wouldn't be on the team". Its a question of whether they could find anybody better (especially when considering cost) to replace him, which it appears they haven't. 

Keep in mind that only 46 of 53 players on a roster actually play on Sunday. While a lot of those spots tend to fill up with injured players as the season goes along, there's realistically at least 3-4 healthy players each week that don't suit up.

In theory, if you had a relatively healthy team, you could have at least 1-2 players every single year on a 53 man roster that literally never play or are even active on gameday.

So basically, every single team in this league has players that are good enough to be on the roster, but aren't good enough to play on Sunday. To me, Arthur Brown is one of those guys quite often the past three years.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 7/5/2016 at 3:42 PM, jazz1988 said:

 

Rather its  his speed or something else if The Ravens didn't see anything valuable about Arthur Brown than he wouldn't be on this team.Brown is not a better special team player than Orr and that is quite evident . Not every player is going to be great at special team but I think Harbaugh philosophy is if you can get special team down than you should be able to excel in other areas and I understand that philosophy.  The reason why I understand that philosophy is because  on special team you have to be discipline and aware which is needed on defense or even offense.  John Harbaugh is a  former special team coach so I can see him awarding players with more playing time than others if that player impress on special teams.

 

Some guys especially  high draft pick don't think they need to learn about special team especially if they were pretty good in college as a starter. Harbaugh a pretty fair coach and if i'm right about his philosophy then it's understandable why  Orr has got more playing time than Brown. Since Daryl Smith isn't around  it gives Brown every opportunity to be a starter even if Zach Orr continues to be the better special teamer because at end of the day The Ravens need a linebacker that can cover and play in space. Obviously that comes with speed but discipline as well is needed so may the best linebacker win and hopefully Brown wins because him and Mosley could make up a pretty dangerous duo.

 

I also agree with you and others that speed isn't the only thing a   player should have but it's still needed on this Ravens defense.  If you look at The Panthers and Broncos defense in the super bowl they both not only had discipline players and play makers but players with speed to handle most receivers and running backs in coverage.While in coverage Von Miller literally ran step for step with one of The Panthers speedy receivers on the foot ball field in the super bowl  because he had the speed to do so.

This is pro sports. The guys that play play, whether its ST or rotating in on defense. If a guy hasnt got special teams down, but is excelling in practice at LB hes gonna play at LB over the guy who's excelling on ST. Plain and simple.

Like was said before ,thats only part of the equation when we're tlaking about bubble players making the roster. If Harbs is judging between the 5th LB and 5th S, and only one makes the team... the one who plays better ST will get preference bc neither is likely to get many reps on D. But if we're talking 2nd or 3rd guy on the depth chart - all that matters is how they play the position. The 1st LB in for the starters is the best LB behind the starters... not the LB who's best at playing ST.

It's black and white. Arthur Brown hasnt played on D bc he hasnt played the position of LB as well as Mosley, Smith, McLellan, or Orr.