Possible Trade Scenario - Arthur Brown

[757RavensFan]

Since the Cowboys Rolando McClain was suspended for the 1st 10 games, if you're Ozzie, do you pick up the phone and call Jerry Jones 

and see if he's interested in Arthur Brown for a 5th round pick?

Edited July 1, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

Since the Cowboys Rolando McClain was suspended for the 1st 10 games, if you're Ozzie, do you pick up the phone and call Jerry Jones 

and see if he's interested in Arthur Brown for a 4th round pick?

Good luck getting a fourth for a player who almost never plays.

[757RavensFan]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Good luck getting a fourth for a player who almost never plays.

Typo meant to say 5th.  I changed it. 

[rmw10]

Why would they trade for him?  They have similar players on the bench behind McClain.  No sense in giving up a pick for someone that has shown nothing when they already probably have similar types of options.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Why would they trade for him?  They have similar players on the bench behind McClain.  No sense in giving up a pick for someone that has shown nothing when they already probably have similar types of options.

Hey...we could really use a lopsided trade.  No harm in Fantasizing.

[harfordravenfan]

32 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Hey...we could really use a lopsided trade.  No harm in Fantasizing.

In that case, can we make a package trade to include Elam or anyone that clearly won't make the team? 

[Winchester]

I would try to get something. He is fast and athletic at least with really good college tape. Always cool to acquire draft picks. I wanted to trade Dumervil at the trade line last year while his value was expensive. Even if he has one more double digit season. I would prefer a youmg stud player. Dumervil could have resulted in a round 3 pick and some change maybe!!  But yeah I'm sure there are some teams that think Brown can play and is not a fit in ravens system. He is fast and athletic with very good college tape. Not a bad idea to advertise him and look for a buyer. Could even package a player with him

[JoeyFlex5]

Arthur brown has absolute zero trade value.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Arthur brown has absolute zero trade value.

This.

thread done.

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, Danny D said:

Hey...we could really use a lopsided trade.  No harm in Fantasizing.

No good in fantasizing either...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Ok.... i understand we invested a 2nd round pick in this guy, but that was 4 years ago now and he hasnt done anything. ANYTHING.

5th round picks tend to make the team. Its a lottery ticket full of potential that is low risk, high reward. He might only play ST for a few years or be a back up and not much else, or that player could become a full time starter for your future that then wont be too expensive to resign on a 2nd contract. ALL of those things are more valuable than Arthur Brown, who hasnt yet accomplished either (ST value or back up) and only has 1 year left to even attempt to for rookie money. 5th round pick is full of potential, while Arthur Brown is full of wasted potential.

Arthur Brown is in the last year of a rookie deal and has yet to offer anything on ST or Defense. How in the world do you see equal value there? A 4 year lottery ticket filled with potential, versus a former lotto ticket that you know is only worth the paper it was printed on. And once you acquire him, even if he plays half way decent youve got to resign him the following year for vet money. A 5th round pick still gives you 4 years of play very cheap.

Especially when talking a player like Arthur Brown, where a 5th round pick has a pretty high probability of at least performing to his standard if not easily surpassing it.

Brown probably isnt worth a conditional 7th. He's going to be cut most likely and then he can be had for free.... and even then i doubt the Cowboys would sign him. The league isnt in demand for LB's who've never played or shown anything 4 years into their career. Most teams have quite a few of them.

Edited July 1, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok.... i understand we invested a 2nd round pick in this guy, but that was 4 years ago now and he hasnt done anything. ANYTHING.

5th round picks tend to make the team. Its a lottery ticket full of potential that is low risk, high reward. He might only play ST for a few years or be a back up and not much else, or that player could become a full time starter for your future that then wont be too expensive to resign on a 2nd contract. ALL of those things are more valuable than Arthur Brown, who hasnt yet accomplished either (ST value or back up) and only has 1 year left to even attempt to for rookie money. 5th round pick is full of potential, while Arthur Brown is full of wasted potential.

Arthur Brown is in the last year of a rookie deal and has yet to offer anything on ST or Defense. How in the world do you see equal value there? A 4 year lottery ticket filled with potential, versus a former lotto ticket that you know is only worth the paper it was printed on. And once you acquire him, even if he plays half way decent youve got to resign him the following year for vet money. A 5th round pick still gives you 4 years of play very cheap.

Especially when talking a player like Arthur Brown, where a 5th round pick has a pretty high probability of at least performing to his standard if not easily surpassing it.

Brown probably isnt worth a conditional 7th. He's going to be cut most likely and then he can be had for free.... and even then i doubt the Cowboys would sign him. The league isnt in demand for LB's who've never played or shown anything 4 years into their career. Most teams have quite a few of them.

I'd take it a step forward...

If we cut Brown, he probably would spend a decent amount of time without a team, and quite possibly might not get signed by anybody. Legitimately wouldn't surprise me if it was the end of his NFL career.

Courtney Upshaw, a much, much, much better and more proven player, signed for not much more than the veteran minimum on a one year, non guaranteed contract.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'd take it a step forward...

If we cut Brown, he probably would spend a decent amount of time without a team, and quite possibly might not get signed by anybody. Legitimately wouldn't surprise me if it was the end of his NFL career.

Courtney Upshaw, a much, much, much better and more proven player, signed for not much more than the veteran minimum on a one year, non guaranteed contract.

Exactly.

If I'm a team, do I want to give my UDFA rookie LB a shot and see what I have in him or prevent him from playing by adding a guy who 4 years into the league has shown his potential is no more, if not worse than my UDFA guy. The Ravens have proven that an UDFA LB outplayed Brown in his rookie season while Brown was in his 3rd. And its not like Orr lit the world on fire either. He's simply just not an upgrade over almost anyone, and if im a coach or GM id take a younger, unknown that at least has potential than something thats a known failure.

I wouldnt be surprised AT ALL if we cut Brown and it was the end of his career. You only live on potential for so long... and when for 4 years youve proven that you cant make anything of your potential - its no longer considered potential. At that point its simply what couldve been.

I wont write the guy off, he has a chance this training camp... but i dont have any expectations of him.

[trevorsteadman]

We would have to give the Cowboys a pick to take Arthur Brown if anything. 

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'd take it a step forward...

If we cut Brown, he probably would spend a decent amount of time without a team, and quite possibly might not get signed by anybody. Legitimately wouldn't surprise me if it was the end of his NFL career.

Courtney Upshaw, a much, much, much better and more proven player, signed for not much more than the veteran minimum on a one year, non guaranteed contract.

Arthur Brown was regarded as one of the better linebackers in the 2013 draft and some even had him rated as a first rounder. There was a reason why The Ravens traded up for him and it's also a reason why  The Ravens got a phone call from  a unknown team in 2014  concerning Brown. Its quite possible that Brown just isn't a good fit in The Ravens 3-4 defense and is better off in a 4-3.

Demeco Ryan himself was bad playing in a 3-4 defense but played great in a 4-3 defense. A team could easily look at Brown situation  as being the same with the belief that  their style of defense will give Brown a better chance to excel and reach his true potential.

Just because Brown hasnt done anything for The Ravens yet doesn't mean a team wouldn't rush to sign him if he was cut. The Ravens defensive philosophy or Dean Pees defensive system isn't the only creative system/best system in league so there's  always going to be a team that looks at a player with the idea that they could coach up or use a certain player better than the next team.

 

[trevorsteadman]

17 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Arthur Brown was regarded as one of the better linebackers in the 2013 draft and some even had him rated as a first rounder. There was a reason why The Ravens traded up for him and it's also a reason why  The Ravens got a phone call from  a unknown team in 2014  concerning Brown. Its quite possible that Brown just isn't a good fit in The Ravens 3-4 defense and is better off in a 4-3.

Demeco Ryan himself was bad playing in a 3-4 defense but played great in a 4-3 defense. A team could easily look at Brown situation  as being the same with the belief that  their style of defense will give Brown a better chance to excel and reach his true potential.

Just because Brown hasnt done anything for The Ravens yet doesn't mean a team wouldn't rush to sign him if he was cut. The Ravens defensive philosophy or Dean Pees defensive system isn't the only creative system/best system in league so there's  always going to be a team that looks at a player with the idea that they could coach up or use a certain player better than the next team.

 

I get that players play better in certain systems but I think many here will agree that what is more concerning is he has not developed. You would think you would see some steps forward coming out of college but he hasn't shown enough to beat out an undrafted guy. I don't care when a player is drafted, that is based off of college performance. What I am mainly concerned about him is that he has yet to show enough improvement to become a starter. Even Kamalei Correa the team's second round pick this season as a rookie is getting more starting reps at a position he is not normally accustomed to before Brown.

Elam is almost in the same boat. Last season before torn biceps the team had high hopes he finally took steps both mentally and physically. Then he got injured and I have yet to read anything saying that Elam is in battle for the safety or cornerback position. 

That is the main reason why I believe that Arthur Brown is on the bubble to make the team. The Ravens do not need to have too many inside linebackers. Correa gives depth at both outside and inside linebacker and Orr has the upside in the battle. I don't think Arthur Brown makes the team unless an injury sets someone else back.  

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Arthur Brown was regarded as one of the better linebackers in the 2013 draft and some even had him rated as a first rounder. There was a reason why The Ravens traded up for him and it's also a reason why  The Ravens got a phone call from  a unknown team in 2014  concerning Brown. Its quite possible that Brown just isn't a good fit in The Ravens 3-4 defense and is better off in a 4-3.

Demeco Ryan himself was bad playing in a 3-4 defense but played great in a 4-3 defense. A team could easily look at Brown situation  as being the same with the belief that  their style of defense will give Brown a better chance to excel and reach his true potential.

Just because Brown hasnt done anything for The Ravens yet doesn't mean a team wouldn't rush to sign him if he was cut. The Ravens defensive philosophy or Dean Pees defensive system isn't the only creative system/best system in league so there's  always going to be a team that looks at a player with the idea that they could coach up or use a certain player better than the next team.

 

32 NFL teams have a player just like Arthur Brown on the their roster or in their training camp right now. There's not a single attribute he brings to the table that every single team in the league doesn't have from a linebacker in their camp currently.

That's the problem.

And you unknowingly already agreed with this... the moment you started referencing draft position for a player who's going into his 4th year in the league as the lead positive for talking about him, you're basically saying "yeah he's not real good".

The defensive scheme argument I suppose could somewhat be valid, but considering that over half of our defensive plays aren't spent in either a 3-4 or a 4-3, that's kind of a tough sell.

Perhaps even more concerning... he actually played 16 games in 2015, and I haven't heard about any of those "phone calls" after that.

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I get that players play better in certain systems but I think many here will agree that what is more concerning is he has not developed. You would think you would see some steps forward coming out of college but he hasn't shown enough to beat out an undrafted guy. I don't care when a player is drafted, that is based off of college performance. What I am mainly concerned about him is that he has yet to show enough improvement to become a starter. Even Kamalei Correa the team's second round pick this season as a rookie is getting more starting reps at a position he is not normally accustomed to before Brown.

Elam is almost in the same boat. Last season before torn biceps the team had high hopes he finally took steps both mentally and physically. Then he got injured and I have yet to read anything saying that Elam is in battle for the safety or cornerback position. 

That is the main reason why I believe that Arthur Brown is on the bubble to make the team. The Ravens do not need to have too many inside linebackers. Correa gives depth at both outside and inside linebacker and Orr has the upside in the battle. I don't think Arthur Brown makes the team unless an injury sets someone else back.  

They are in somewhat similar boats, yet largely different.

Elam had at least a decent first year. Year 2 he sucked, and year 3 he was injured.

Brown has largely been healthy his entire first three years, and spent a lot of that time getting beat out by UDFA's and mediocre linebackers for playing time.

Brown has been a much, much larger "bust" than Elam has up to this point, and I don't even think its close.

Fans will attempt to argue that the 1st vs 2nd round draft slot makes Elam a bigger bust, yet we are talking about only a 24 spot difference, and Elam is literally the last pick of the 1st round.

[Winchester]

Look guys a team probably wouldn't trade for him. BUT would not hurt to try. I mean we really do not know why he hasn't played. Is it system or a personal thing against him or is he a weak tackler with bad instincts and not good enough to play. Because fans were told for a while that Kruger was not as good a run defender as Harbs good buddy Jarrett Johnson. But was clearly a better edge rusher. He was beating all pro tackles in preseason and I don't wanna hear it was preseason. Nobody wants to get beat for a sack on the starting qb. I was at a game with my uncle and his friends. My uncle knew jj was a coach's/management favorite and my uncle liked him to. Anyways it was against the Bengals and everybody was freaking out cuz ravens were getting zero pressure. I said put Kruger in. My uncle said no no ravens are better off with jj. I said really, is getting no pressure the same as better off?? Well Bengals were driving like it was easy!! Finally Kruger replaced JJ and in one series got pressure then couple plays plater beat whitworth for a sack. I said you still want JJ over Kruger and he got all pissed off and Said blah blah blah. Anyways fans were led to believe for years Kruger was not a good enough run defender to protect Jarret Johnson's job. Now that injuries have taken some of Krugers burst he is known as a great run defender. Harbs even took it personal when Kruger said his goal was to start. Not saying Brown is really a good player like kruger. But there could be a team that believes it can make a player of him. Probably not, but nobody could say that for sure. I think that is all the intention was of the poster. That management could try at least.

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

They are in somewhat similar boats, yet largely different.

Elam had at least a decent first year. Year 2 he sucked, and year 3 he was injured.

Brown has largely been healthy his entire first three years, and spent a lot of that time getting beat out by UDFA's and mediocre linebackers for playing time.

Brown has been a much, much larger "bust" than Elam has up to this point, and I don't even think its close.

Fans will attempt to argue that the 1st vs 2nd round draft slot makes Elam a bigger bust, yet we are talking about only a 24 spot difference, and Elam is literally the last pick of the 1st round.

I agree having a second round pick not touch the field really at all is very disappointing. Yes Elam has played more than Brown but both are talked about being bubble players at this point. The Ravens brought in Weddle for a reason and the Ravens drafted Correa for a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if both are looking for jobs here in another month.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Arthur Brown was regarded as one of the better linebackers in the 2013 draft and some even had him rated as a first rounder. There was a reason why The Ravens traded up for him and it's also a reason why  The Ravens got a phone call from  a unknown team in 2014  concerning Brown. Its quite possible that Brown just isn't a good fit in The Ravens 3-4 defense and is better off in a 4-3.

Demeco Ryan himself was bad playing in a 3-4 defense but played great in a 4-3 defense. A team could easily look at Brown situation  as being the same with the belief that  their style of defense will give Brown a better chance to excel and reach his true potential.

Just because Brown hasnt done anything for The Ravens yet doesn't mean a team wouldn't rush to sign him if he was cut. The Ravens defensive philosophy or Dean Pees defensive system isn't the only creative system/best system in league so there's  always going to be a team that looks at a player with the idea that they could coach up or use a certain player better than the next team.

 

Brown hasn't shown the ability to do basic linebacker tasks, such as covering backs out of the backfield.. 

 

Different story from a veteran 43LB who did many things very well

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I get that players play better in certain systems but I think many here will agree that what is more concerning is he has not developed. You would think you would see some steps forward coming out of college but he hasn't shown enough to beat out an undrafted guy. I don't care when a player is drafted, that is based off of college performance. What I am mainly concerned about him is that he has yet to show enough improvement to become a starter. Even Kamalei Correa the team's second round pick this season as a rookie is getting more starting reps at a position he is not normally accustomed to before Brown.

Elam is almost in the same boat. Last season before torn biceps the team had high hopes he finally took steps both mentally and physically. Then he got injured and I have yet to read anything saying that Elam is in battle for the safety or cornerback position. 

That is the main reason why I believe that Arthur Brown is on the bubble to make the team. The Ravens do not need to have too many inside linebackers. Correa gives depth at both outside and inside linebacker and Orr has the upside in the battle. I don't think Arthur Brown makes the team unless an injury sets someone else back.  

I think Zach Orr had the edge over Brown because of his special team play . Since The Ravens had CJ Mosley and Daryl Smith as their every down inside linebacker there was no need for Brown to see the field especially since McClellan and Orr were the better special teamers.Last year to me seem to be the only year where it seem like Orr was better than Brown but it also was the year when Brown added more muscle to his frame .

 

I wonder if his speed was affected by that or if he had trouble adjusting to his new weight because his coverability didn't seem as good at least in last year preseason games. If it's true that Brown Is really a better fit in a 4-3 defense then he's not going to develop  well at all and honestly him sitting on the bench most of the time due to Mosley and Smith playing so solid probably didn't help with his growth either.

I will say it maybe telling to see The Ravens have  Orr to come in on passing downs instead of Arthur Brown due to Daryl Smith slowing down last year but I do believe Harbaugh once said if you do well on special teams then you will get more playing time on the field.

Arthur Brown has a strong opportunity to become a starter since Daryl Smith is no longer on the team and he does have to focus alot on trying to impress Harbaugh with his special team play so it should interesting on how things play out.Orr and Correa may give The Ravens depth at inside linebacker but neither have Brown speed and thats what The Ravens need.

 

 

 

 

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

32 NFL teams have a player just like Arthur Brown on the their roster or in their training camp right now. There's not a single attribute he brings to the table that every single team in the league doesn't have from a linebacker in their camp currently.

That's the problem.

And you unknowingly already agreed with this... the moment you started referencing draft position for a player who's going into his 4th year in the league as the lead positive for talking about him, you're basically saying "yeah he's not real good".

The defensive scheme argument I suppose could somewhat be valid, but considering that over half of our defensive plays aren't spent in either a 3-4 or a 4-3, that's kind of a tough sell.

Perhaps even more concerning... he actually played 16 games in 2015, and I haven't heard about any of those "phone calls" after that

Arthur Brown best attributes has always been his speed. In todays NFL speed is becoming valuable on defense especially with all the athletic tight ends, teams using receivers or even runningbacks in the slot and etc Arthur Brown has the speed to keep up with most tight ends and running backs in coverage not every team have linebackers with that potential.

Daryl Smith was cut because The Ravens may have figured they needed more speed at the middle of the field and If Arthur Brown wins the starting inside linebacker position then him and Mosley will make up a  pretty fast duo at the position .

The Ravens may run a multi style defense but for the most part they  a 3-4 defense. I think Wade Philips runs a similar style of defense and Demeco Ryan wasn't playing at his best until he was traded  to The Eagles which  ran a 4-3 defense in 2012.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Arthur Brown best attributes has always been his speed. In todays NFL speed is becoming valuable on defense especially with all the athletic tight ends, teams using receivers or even runningbacks in the slot and etc Arthur Brown has the speed to keep up with most tight ends and running backs in coverage not every team have linebackers with that potential.

Daryl Smith was cut because The Ravens may have figured they needed more speed at the middle of the field and If Arthur Brown wins the starting inside linebacker position then him and Mosley will make up a  pretty fast duo at the position .

The Ravens may run a multi style defense but for the most part they  a 3-4 defense. I think Wade Philips runs a similar style of defense and Demeco Ryan wasn't playing at his best until he was traded  to The Eagles which  ran a 4-3 defense in 2012.

Speed does not equal coverage ability. It was supposed to be his strength but he's been made to look a fool in coverage every time I can remember. 

When we practiced with the Eagles last year there was a write up about how their RBs, TEs and slot guys practically made him fall over. He got beat every single time - and bad.

In preseason he was TERRIBLE in coverage. He doesn't read the game, doesn't anticipate, slow change of direction (which matters much more than straight speed when covering), and just plain can't cover. 

The only thing he is good at are delayed blitzes. In fact he's very good. But being so one dimensional ruins any chance of using him that way bc he's SO bad at everything else. He's a liability doing anything else, so it'd be pretty easy for the offense to figure out -- if he's on the field,ok, here comes a delayed A gap blitz. 

 

I wont say he can't improve. He sure could. But nothing we've seen so far indicates that he has or will. And if you think he could be a weapon in coverage, then you just haven't watched him play. As you pointed out, Daryls gone bc his ineffectiveness in coverage. End of last year he was getting pulled on passing downs and if Brown could cover that would've been his shot. But he didn't get it. It was Orr who came in to cover... And he didn't set the world on fire. 

So if Brown had shown ANY ability to cover he would've gotten the chance last season. He didn't. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

Look guys a team probably wouldn't trade for him. BUT would not hurt to try. I mean we really do not know why he hasn't played. Is it system or a personal thing against him or is he a weak tackler with bad instincts and not good enough to play. Because fans were told for a while that Kruger was not as good a run defender as Harbs good buddy Jarrett Johnson. But was clearly a better edge rusher. He was beating all pro tackles in preseason and I don't wanna hear it was preseason. Nobody wants to get beat for a sack on the starting qb. I was at a game with my uncle and his friends. My uncle knew jj was a coach's/management favorite and my uncle liked him to. Anyways it was against the Bengals and everybody was freaking out cuz ravens were getting zero pressure. I said put Kruger in. My uncle said no no ravens are better off with jj. I said really, is getting no pressure the same as better off?? Well Bengals were driving like it was easy!! Finally Kruger replaced JJ and in one series got pressure then couple plays plater beat whitworth for a sack. I said you still want JJ over Kruger and he got all pissed off and Said blah blah blah. Anyways fans were led to believe for years Kruger was not a good enough run defender to protect Jarret Johnson's job. Now that injuries have taken some of Krugers burst he is known as a great run defender. Harbs even took it personal when Kruger said his goal was to start. Not saying Brown is really a good player like kruger. But there could be a team that believes it can make a player of him. Probably not, but nobody could say that for sure. I think that is all the intention was of the poster. That management could try at least.

Comparing Brown to Kruger is not a good comparison. 

They knew he had edge rushing ability but wasn't strong yet against the run. Doom is obviously a superior player to Upshaw and our best edge player. But Upshaw started over him bc they wanted him on early downs to play the run. Same thing with JJ and Kruger. 

This whole "Harbs Doghouse" thing is silly. They wanted to get Kruger on the field. Tried changing positions to find a way to get him on the field more. Finally he broke through and a position opened up, and he played great.

But we've always played an edge defender who's strong against the run on early downs... Even with a player the caliber of Dumervil on the roster.

Brown has had opportunity. He just hasn't taken it. The fact that he's still on the team in his 4th year when he's hasn't contributed to ST or defense disproves the whole Harbs dislikes him theory. They've had every chance and every legitimate reason to get rid of him and haven't. If Harbs dislikes him, that's an awfully weird way of showing it. 

 

And how did "Harbs take it personally" when Kruger wanted to start? Evidence? Or did Harbs or Kruger tell you themselves?

[harfordravenfan]

Didn't really expect this thread to have much more than 8-10 replies 

[Ravenseconbeast]

If you can get a conditional 11th round long as cowboys take all the dead money, then you have a deal.  

 

 

[GrimCoconut]

Arthur Brown is a guy who has the athleticism but seems to lack the football IQ to succeed in the NFL. I'm honestly surprised he's still here as I thought last year he'd be gone. I'd love for us to get ROI for him but I sadly think he's just not that good.  

We made excuses for him in 2014 when we drafted Mosley there was no way Brown could start over Smith or Mosley. Last year it became apparent that Brown wasn't a victim of the numbers game to me when Orr and McClellan took snaps that could've gone his way. 

[RaineV1]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Arthur Brown is a guy who has the athleticism but seems to lack the football IQ to succeed in the NFL. I'm honestly surprised he's still here as I thought last year he'd be gone. I'd love for us to get ROI for him but I sadly think he's just not that good.  

We made excuses for him in 2014 when we drafted Mosley there was no way Brown could start over Smith or Mosley. Last year it became apparent that Brown wasn't a victim of the numbers game to me when Orr and McClellan took snaps that could've gone his way. 

In a way I think he lacks athleticism too. He has good straight line speed, but he's kinda bad at turning direction. He doesn't have the athletic ability to make up for any mistake he makes, and doesn't have the awareness to be in the right place when he needs to be.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Arthur Brown is a guy who has the athleticism but seems to lack the football IQ to succeed in the NFL. I'm honestly surprised he's still here as I thought last year he'd be gone. I'd love for us to get ROI for him but I sadly think he's just not that good.  

We made excuses for him in 2014 when we drafted Mosley there was no way Brown could start over Smith or Mosley. Last year it became apparent that Brown wasn't a victim of the numbers game to me when Orr and McClellan took snaps that could've gone his way. 

Yep.  It's all the mental game for him.  Even the coaches have come out and said it.  They are saying that this year, he seems to have gotten over some of that, but that obviously could be nothing more than coach speak.  I'm curious to see him in action this preseason to see whether or not they're stretching the truth.