[News] Late For Work 6/30: Media From AFC North Rivals Say Ravens Won't Make Playoffs

[Edug27]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Its mostly smoke and mirrors. He's averaging $20.8M over the next six years. That's all that matters.

Hmm.. I see cap hits of...

2016: 22.5

2017: 24.5

2018: 24.7

2019: 26.5

2020: 28.2

2021: 24.2

 

 

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well I mean people can't complain about the schedule in terms of opponents or location, because those are largely set years in advance.

So the only real complaints fans have is when the games are scheduled. Frankly, to me, its largely irrelevant, and I'll never really bash the NFL for scheduling because they have to manage 32 NFL teams at the exact same time.

Plus, lets be honest... 32 NFL teams think their schedule is unfair 100% of the time. Most of the time, they are wrong.

My biggest issue last year was playing two division games in 4 days. That's just unacceptable! NFL players need to rest their bodies for more than 3 days after a grueling NFL brawl. I think your taking it a bit easy on the NFL.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Hmm.. I see cap hits of...

2016: 22.5

2017: 24.5

2018: 24.7

2019: 26.5

2020: 28.2

2021: 24.2

 

 

Yeah but that includes rollover cap impact from his prior contract. He has $25.85M of cap impact from the deal he signed in 2013 that is included in the 2016-2018 cap figures ($10.55M in 2016 and 2017, $4.75M in 2018)

You've got $66.4M in "new money" from the extension (this is how they came up with $22.1M average), $25.85M of cap impact from prorated bonuses on his last deal, and $58.6M in salaries still owed from last deal. That puts you at $150.85M over the next 6 years, which is equal to the cap hits you listed above. Comes out to an average cap impact of $25.1M over the next six years.

Or, an easier way to look at it...

Joe will actually make $125M in the next six years. Add in the $25.85M in rollover prorated cap space from the prior deal, and that gets you the same $150.85M number.

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Hmm.. I see cap hits of...

2016: 22.5

2017: 24.5

2018: 24.7

2019: 26.5

2020: 28.2

2021: 24.2

 

 

If you are interested in how much cash Joe will actually be receiving compared to his new deal, here is a breakdown:

2016: Old deal = $18M (all salary). New deal = $33M ($29M signing bonus, $4M salary)

2017: Old deal = $20.6M (all salary). New deal = $21M ($15M signing bonus (deferred), $6M salary)

2018: Old deal = $20M (all salary). New deal = $12M (all salary)

2019: $18.5M salary

2020: $20.25M salary

2021: $24.25M salary

So he was due to make $58.6M from 2016-2018 under his old deal, and he's now due to make $66M from 2016-2018 under the new deal.

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

My biggest issue last year was playing two division games in 4 days. That's just unacceptable! NFL players need to rest their bodies for more than 3 days after a grueling NFL brawl. I think your taking it a bit easy on the NFL.

I mean, sort of. There really isn't much to suggest that Pittsburgh or Cleveland are "tough, physical" teams that turns our games into a brawl anymore. Very much a 2008-2010 type mentality if you ask me.

I mean they are divisional games so they are likely to be tight and competitive, but the brand of football we generally associate with those kinds of games really hasn't existed for the past few seasons.

Plus, they also gave the Ravens a ten day rest between division games as well, which is VERY beneficial. 

[stixfix69]

Pretty sure Flacco will be restructuring his deal in a few years for cap relief...Seems to be the way they handle franchise QB's contracts....Just like we knew he would od it this year, knowing the 26 mil he was supposed to get was never going to happen....

[fusuymada]

Pretty sure Flacco will be restructuring his deal in a few years for cap relief...Seems to be the way they handle franchise QB's contracts....Just like we knew he would od it this year, knowing the 26 mil he was supposed to get was never going to happen....

I doubt it. It won't benefit him or the team. As opposed to his last contract that escalated during the final three years this contract is level across all 6 years. Meaning that as the cap increases over 6 years, Flacco's salary will remain the same meaning he will take a smaller and smaller percentage cut of the cap in each subsequent year after this year. Why would the Ravens want to change that? You are right in the fact that this seems to be the norm these days, but Ozzie bucked the norm with Flaccos contract and based on an increased salary cap, percentage wise is less and less of the cap each year.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, sort of. There really isn't much to suggest that Pittsburgh or Cleveland are "tough, physical" teams that turns our games into a brawl anymore. Very much a 2008-2010 type mentality if you ask me.

I mean they are divisional games so they are likely to be tight and competitive, but the brand of football we generally associate with those kinds of games really hasn't existed for the past few seasons.

Plus, they also gave the Ravens a ten day rest between division games as well, which is VERY beneficial. 

If your really want to get into details then let's do it. Any NFL game is grueling. Weather your a lineman that brawls with other 300 pounders or a RB that gets tackled 25 times you need more than 3 days of rest.

the NFL sometimes shocks me with divisions like that. I mean it's a 17 week season why not make it an 18 week season and add extra rest for everyone? We don't have to see our teams play every week as long as we have football. It also shocks me that teams regularly. It's obvious that the NFL schedule is not maid to be fair. It's made to please Monday night and Sunday night. It's made to please TV ratings on thanksgiving and etc...

another shocking decision by the NFL is the crap games they take over seas. It shocks me that they are trying to introduce their game to a new market but send them the worst games.

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

If your really want to get into details then let's do it. Any NFL game is grueling. Weather your a lineman that brawls with other 300 pounders or a RB that gets tackled 25 times you need more than 3 days of rest.

the NFL sometimes shocks me with divisions like that. I mean it's a 17 week season why not make it an 18 week season and add extra rest for everyone? We don't have to see our teams play every week as long as we have football. It also shocks me that teams regularly. It's obvious that the NFL schedule is not maid to be fair. It's made to please Monday night and Sunday night. It's made to please TV ratings on thanksgiving and etc...

another shocking decision by the NFL is the crap games they take over seas. It shocks me that they are trying to introduce their game to a new market but send them the worst games.

1. And that's true. But that's not unfair to the Ravens, because 32 NFL teams have the same problem. They all play at least one Thursday game, and so they all have a short week (unless scheduling dictates a buy before, which is rare). If all 32 teams are facing the same obstacle, then its kind of hard to argue that its "unfair".

2. Yes it is, but its also YOUR fault. And my fault, and every other viewer of the NFL's fault. WE are the one's driving the emphasis on Primetime games. WE are the one's driving the emphasis on more football more frequently. 

All the NFL is doing is adapting to what the consumer demands. If nobody was watching these games, then they wouldn't be on. If Thursday night football didn't do killer ratings every week, then they would remove those games. If Sunday night and Monday night didn't pretty much own the TV those nights, then they wouldn't be on.

If there's one thing that is undeniable in the last probably 10 years or more, its that consumers of the NFL DEMAND more football. We demand it longer, we demand it more frequently, and we demand to be able to see as much as we want whenever we want. All possible viewership metrics indicate this. So when fans say things like "we don't need to see our team play every week", they are lying to themselves. Literally. They are saying one thing, and doing the exact opposite. 

3. Actually, it makes perfect sense from the NFL's standpoint...

The teams that they tend to send overseas are teams who traditionally don't do that well with ticket sales in their own stadium (teams like Jacksonville, Miami, Detroit, etc.), so it makes perfect sense to send them on a home game overseas. The overseas market doesn't have its own team, so therefore they have no noticeable preference on what teams are sent to play over there. All they care about is they get to watch American Football live. 

It wouldn't make much sense for the NFL to take a team like the Patriots, who sell out all of their home games and make a ton of money off ticket sales, and send them on a home game in London. A road game? Sure, makes perfect sense. 

Look at this seasons upcoming schedule:

Colts at Jacksonville - they're sending a very popular team like the Colts and Andrew Luck on a ROAD game against a division rival who struggles with ticket sales. Pretty much the perfect selection, figures to be an important and quality game as well.

Giants at Rams - another internationally popular team like the Giants on a ROAD game against an LA Rams team that is still trying to build its new stadium and is using an old one currently. Again, makes perfect sense.

Redskins at Bengals - another popular franchise in the Redskins in a ROAD game against the Bengals, who struggle with ticket sales. Makes perfect sense, figures to be a quality game.

Texans at Raiders - Raiders are looking for a new stadium and game is in Mexico I believe, meaning its not a far commute.

 I mean look at the 4 home teams... two teams that either just moved or are looking to move (Rams, Raiders) from their existing stadiums, the Jaguars, who never sell tickets, and the Bengals, who struggle to sell tickets.

Plus, I believe the NFL still maintains the policy of making your bye week immediately following a London game (could be wrong about this), so its not like its a short week.

I mean ask yourself this... how would you feel if the NFL decided they were going to take the ONE Ravens vs Steelers game played at M&T next season and play that game in London instead (and yes, I know its impossible for that to happen)? That's pretty much what you are advocating for right? Sending quality games overseas?

Edited June 30, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. And that's true. But that's not unfair to the Ravens, because 32 NFL teams have the same problem. They all play at least one Thursday game, and so they all have a short week (unless scheduling dictates a buy before, which is rare). If all 32 teams are facing the same obstacle, then its kind of hard to argue that its "unfair".

2. Yes it is, but its also YOUR fault. And my fault, and every other viewer of the NFL's fault. WE are the one's driving the emphasis on Primetime games. WE are the one's driving the emphasis on more football more frequently. 

All the NFL is doing is adapting to what the consumer demands. If nobody was watching these games, then they wouldn't be on. If Thursday night football didn't do killer ratings every week, then they would remove those games. If Sunday night and Monday night didn't pretty much own the TV those nights, then they wouldn't be on.

If there's one thing that is undeniable in the last probably 10 years or more, its that consumers of the NFL DEMAND more football. We demand it longer, we demand it more frequently, and we demand to be able to see as much as we want whenever we want. All possible viewership metrics indicate this. So when fans say things like "we don't need to see our team play every week", they are lying to themselves. Literally. They are saying one thing, and doing the exact opposite. 

3. Actually, it makes perfect sense from the NFL's standpoint...

The teams that they tend to send overseas are teams who traditionally don't do that well with ticket sales in their own stadium (teams like Jacksonville, Miami, Detroit, etc.), so it makes perfect sense to send them on a home game overseas. The overseas market doesn't have its own team, so therefore they have no noticeable preference on what teams are sent to play over there. All they care about is they get to watch American Football live. 

It wouldn't make much sense for the NFL to take a team like the Patriots, who sell out all of their home games and make a ton of money off ticket sales, and send them on a home game in London. A road game? Sure, makes perfect sense. 

Plus, I believe the NFL still maintains the policy of making your bye week immediately following a London game (could be wrong about this), so its not like its a short week.

I mean ask yourself this... how would you feel if the NFL decided they were going to take the ONE Ravens vs Steelers game played at M&T next season and play that game in London instead (and yes, I know its impossible for that to happen)? That's pretty much what you are advocating for right? Sending quality games overseas?

id love to see a ravens - steelers game in london.

id try to get the best seats possible lel

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

I doubt it. It won't benefit him or the team. As opposed to his last contract that escalated during the final three years this contract is level across all 6 years. Meaning that as the cap increases over 6 years, Flacco's salary will remain the same meaning he will take a smaller and smaller percentage cut of the cap in each subsequent year after this year. Why would the Ravens want to change that? You are right in the fact that this seems to be the norm these days, but Ozzie bucked the norm with Flaccos contract and based on an increased salary cap, percentage wise is less and less of the cap each year.

Very much depends on what happens in the next 3-4 years. I wouldn't expect this discussion to occur until at least 2019, but if Flacco starts performing very well again, and he's only getting a $20M base salary, that will be a bargain in 3-4 years the way the cap is going.

Would pretty much be the exact opposite scenario, where Flacco is the one eager to get a deal done so he can get one last guaranteed extension and get some more job security, while the Ravens may feel that he's a bargain and have no interest.

All depends on what happens. He may suck for 3 straight years and they look to cut him in 2019, when he will be in his mid 30s and probably facing the back end of his career.

[Grapple Raven]

Congratulations to Corey Redding on his retirement!  He was a favorite of mine and I will never forget that play in the Steelers game!!! 

 

 to Dennis too!

[OUravensfan]

1 minute ago, Grapple Raven said:

Congratulations to Corey Redding on his retirement!  He was a favorite of mine and I will never forget that play in the Steelers game!!! 

 

 to Dennis too!

Webb punt return called back on a gift holding flop call. Boldin dropped TD, Housh dropped 4th down. I hate that game ;'(

[ravensnj]

Personally, I don't think Smith or Forsett make big contributions this season. I see Flacco having his best season with Wallace, Moore, and Perriman along with the fine play of the Te's and Rb Dixon.

[harfordravenfan]

36 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Personally, I don't think Smith or Forsett make big contributions this season. I see Flacco having his best season with Wallace, Moore, and Perriman along with the fine play of the Te's and Rb Dixon.

I respectfully disagree 

I think SSS and forsett contribute often throughout the year although I don't think anyone 1 player puts up crazy stats, everyone gets there touches

[whobilly]

Love that the Browns writer predicted no playoffs for the Ravens. Really? Why don't you just stay focused on the Browns and how they are 5 years away from being 5 years away.

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Personally, I don't think Smith or Forsett make big contributions this season. I see Flacco having his best season with Wallace, Moore, and Perriman along with the fine play of the Te's and Rb Dixon.

I agree but sub Campanaro for Wallace and Buck Allen could be pretty productive as well. If all could remain running full speed without injury Chris Moore,Campanaro and Perriman is like totally a potent young trio of wrs!! WOW!! So many teams began to fall in love with Chris just before the draft but did not have ample time to reshuffle their boards. Went the path of hoping to steal him in round4 but ravens beat many teams to the punch to land this stud. Mayock said with great enthusiasm that this kid will outperform many of the early round WRs and commented on his stock getting expensive late. Anyways I could see the reasoning behind ravens missing the tournament. But many are not realizing ravens best draft ever outside 1996.

[cbrook1862]

I hope the doubters and naysayers continue to talk because being the underdog always made us better, it gave us a chip on our shoulder which is where we used to get our swagg from, and we need to get that swagg back. Remember last year how everyone was hyping us and picking us to go to the superbowl? and u see how that turned out.

[Crusader]

Even if they do get in it will again be a wild card. Ravens are not in a rebuilding year but a rehabilitation year.

[RavensDieHard21]

Far Too Early Predictions for Playoffs:

NE and Pitt will be locks, then it gets very very fuzzy. 

I think based on their roster that Bungles will make it. Buffalo and Jets have talented rosters, but I only see the Bills as a potential threat since a 10-6 season from them seems rather realistic. I think Texans are more talented than the Colts by a bit, that can only change with a little bit of Luck. I think that the Jags make a leap out of a negative record, but not quite playoff contention, possibly 9-7. The West will more likely than not, determine if we make it. I think Denver stumbles back a little even with that Defense and goes 11-5, KC is a contender, yet isn't at the level as their other rivals. Oakland to me is dangerous all-around. If they do not win 10 games I will be stunned. Offense can score points quickly and their defense has been bolstered by the draft and now has Irvin to compliment Mack and Smith. 

1.) NE 2.) Pitt 3.) Oakland 4.) Texans 5.) Denver 6.) Cincy 

 

[letitgosometimes]

Only the Ravens' DBs know for sure.

[OzzieBisciotti]

First of all. Flacco had not have beeen the highest paid qb- only Oz and DaCosta would do that- he is not elite. If he was elite, he would win more games on his own, and he simply can't carry the team like an elite qb. Secondly, I've been saying that this team doesn't make the playoffs in 16 or 17. We will see Oz get the can at the end of this year or by 17. The team is full of holes, dead money, and old players- our FAs we picked up this Summer are old- we are already old...

[whobilly]

  On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 6:09 PM, ravensnj said:

Personally, I don't think Smith or Forsett make big contributions this season. I see Flacco having his best season with Wallace, Moore, and Perriman along with the fine play of the Te's and Rb Dixon.

I agree but sub Campanaro for Wallace and Buck Allen could be pretty productive as well. If all could remain running full speed without injury Chris Moore,Campanaro and Perriman is like totally a potent young trio of wrs!! WOW!! So many teams began to fall in love with Chris just before the draft but did not have ample time to reshuffle their boards. Went the path of hoping to steal him in round4 but ravens beat many teams to the punch to land this stud. Mayock said with great enthusiasm that this kid will outperform many of the early round WRs and commented on his stock getting expensive late. Anyways I could see the reasoning behind ravens missing the tournament. But many are not realizing ravens best draft ever outside 1996.

Before I get to excited about this draft I will let it play out for a couple of seasons. Previous recent drafts have provided nothing more than roster fillers along with some good potential but you win on performance. If Camp can stay on the field he could be solid(IF). Brandon Williams is a keeper, Jerrnigan could leave because another team will pay him more then he's worth. CJ is a keeper as well. Other then them not much to show from the last five drafts.

[harfordravenfan]

15 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

First of all. Flacco had not have beeen the highest paid qb- only Oz and DaCosta would do that- he is not elite. If he was elite, he would win more games on his own, and he simply can't carry the team like an elite qb. Secondly, I've been saying that this team doesn't make the playoffs in 16 or 17. We will see Oz get the can at the end of this year or by 17. The team is full of holes, dead money, and old players- our FAs we picked up this Summer are old- we are already old...

Pretty much disagree with everything. We may have a few older players but we've got a lot of talented young guys. No way I'll change your opinion or you mine, so I'll take the wait and see approach.

I can't see us missing the playoffs for the next 2 years but there will come a day where Ozzie calls it quits (retires, not get fired/released)

[dirtybird66]

ok,so we beat PITT twice last year,thev'e actually dropped off just a bit looking at there defense,everyone says the BENGALS lost some key players and then you got the BROWNS,even with RG3 which is a joke,DEAN PEAS is the one that showed everyone else how to beat him,so barring a catastrophy of injuries again,upgrading on offense and defense,what makes them say that?? jelousy?

[Popeye the sailor man]

Joe Flacco will never be an ELITE QB, not the way he's been going, he doesn't have the fire or drive to succeed and never did, he's being overpaid now, When the Raven's got rid of Cam Camaron, It left Flacco with a big hole to fill and no other QB coaches was able to fill this hole, So It's all on Flacco this season to prove that he's the leader of the Ravens Franchise, if not then It's time to let him go.

[whobilly]

Joe Flacco will never be an ELITE QB, not the way he's been going, he doesn't have the fire or drive to succeed and never did, he's being overpaid now, When the Raven's got rid of Cam Camaron, It left Flacco with a big hole to fill and no other QB coaches was able to fill this hole, So It's all on Flacco this season to prove that he's the leader of the Ravens Franchise, if not then It's time to let him go.

If the Ravens didn't give Flacco the money another team gladly would have. Joe has had his ups and downs like most QB's, we just see him more therefore tend to criticize more. I'd agree that he is not a top 5 QB, but who do you think has the ability on this team to lead us to a Super Bowl run? Ryan Mallett?

[Popeye the sailor man]

Please don't get me wrong Whobilly, I love Joe Flacco, I'm being honest with my opinions regardless how people or fans feels about it on the comment pages, of course I'm sure another team would give Flacco the $$$$$$ but back when Joe Flacco was worth every penny he got but this is now the year 2016 and if Joe Flacco wants to solidified his career as a top 5 QB, then I feel he would do so much better elsewhere but not with the Ravens,Sorry !!

[Winchester]

Joe Cool can play as good as anybody with a dominant oline and legit weapons. But he is not the qb that can carry a bad team like the elite can. And that is the reasoning behind fans that don't want him to get the pay of the qbs that can. Let's be honest here all qbs need help. Some qbs need more help. Some qbs can't put up numbers even with good help. Joe will never read and slice thru defenses at warp speed with a bad oline. He needs his time. But his arm can put the ball anywhere. I get it the league has been shelling out to average qbs and that's the going rate. The argument is when will a team tell its average qb like osweiler or good qb Joe cool you are not Aaron Rodgers. You need more pieces around you and if we pay you like Aaron Rodgers we can not put those players around you. Denver played it well with osweiler. Pretty much said you need and have a team around you and if we pay you nearly $20mil per then we will lose one or more of those players that you need around you to win. And the Broncos opted to address left tackle. And When Sanchez has players around him he went to championship games. Now Sanchez has the best team and qb friendly system around him he ever played with. He could play his best football ever. If so it could send a message around the league

[ravenpic]

Please don't get me wrong Whobilly, I love Joe Flacco, I'm being honest with my opinions regardless how people or fans feels about it on the comment pages, of course I'm sure another team would give Flacco the $$$$$$ but back when Joe Flacco was worth every penny he got but this is now the year 2016 and if Joe Flacco wants to solidified his career as a top 5 QB, then I feel he would do so much better elsewhere but not with the Ravens,Sorry !!

Give Joe some credit for gosh sakes my friend. We were a dropped pass and a missed FG away from a 3rd SB appearance and a banged up secondary away from a 4th appearance with Joe at QB. I'm more concerned about Trestman. If we stay healthy offensively we better be able to move the chains or we need to make a move fast at OC. C'mon man. Open your eyes.