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[mendii]

passer rating, passer rating, passer rating. That's all anyone ever wants to talk about when calling Joe overrated. We are a perennial playoff team, and every other team that can say the same gets heaps of praise from the NFL media. What Joe does better than anyone in the NFL is figure out how to get the ball in his hands in a close game. Usually, he's good enough to get us to win the game from there. We don't get a lot of blowouts in Baltimore, but we're used to winning close games. That being said, last year was especially brutal because we lost all those close games.

[crazyboutravens]

NFL network is all noise and absolutely no substance. Every idiot they hire has an opinion but not much fact. Noise Noise Noise

[fusuymada]

Joe is a curious QB to like. He doesn't fit any of the statistically great categories (excluding his playoff to super bowl run), he seems boring and not your typical leader QB, but don't be fooled. Flacco never reached 4000 yards, because he never had to. With a good defense and a good running game, when Flacco threw it was deep where completion percentages are far less than the wide receiver screen. This stretched the field which allowed Rice to be as successful as he was both running and catching out of the backfield. And of course, you don't throw in the 4th quarter with a lead, you run out the clock. He isn't a loud in your face guy but when he needs to be a loud leader, he can grab the facemask of Derrick Mason and shake him silly (which he did). He quietly provides support to his teammates and because he isn't a rah rah guy, people miss out on those things unless someone does a story on it. For those who know football, they have a lot to say about Flacco. Bellicek has been quoted as being afraid of not only Flacco's arm saying that in one play he can bring his team back but also his feet where he said he gets them for one good 15 or 20 yard run every game when the Ravens need it most. Bellicek is one of the premier coaches (behind Harbaugh) and what he says, matters. Other coaches sit back and drool over Flacco and unless they have Brady, Newton or Roethlisberger, they would love to have Flacco as their franchise QB. So while pundits and media paparazzi want the flashy qb who yells at his fellow players and breaks every passing record, the people who know football would love to have Flacco who is calm and cool in the face of pressure, has a cannon for an arm, and leads in a way that gets people to follow, he leads from the front by example.

[Space11jams]

Joe is a curious QB to like. He doesn't fit any of the statistically great categories (excluding his playoff to super bowl run), he seems boring and not your typical leader QB, but don't be fooled. Flacco never reached 4000 yards, because he never had to. With a good defense and a good running game, when Flacco threw it was deep where completion percentages are far less than the wide receiver screen. This stretched the field which allowed Rice to be as successful as he was both running and catching out of the backfield. And of course, you don't throw in the 4th quarter with a lead, you run out the clock. He isn't a loud in your face guy but when he needs to be a loud leader, he can grab the facemask of Derrick Mason and shake him silly (which he did). He quietly provides support to his teammates and because he isn't a rah rah guy, people miss out on those things unless someone does a story on it. For those who know football, they have a lot to say about Flacco. Bellicek has been quoted as being afraid of not only Flacco's arm saying that in one play he can bring his team back but also his feet where he said he gets them for one good 15 or 20 yard run every game when the Ravens need it most. Bellicek is one of the premier coaches (behind Harbaugh) and what he says, matters. Other coaches sit back and drool over Flacco and unless they have Brady, Newton or Roethlisberger, they would love to have Flacco as their franchise QB. So while pundits and media paparazzi want the flashy qb who yells at his fellow players and breaks every passing record, the people who know football would love to have Flacco who is calm and cool in the face of pressure, has a cannon for an arm, and leads in a way that gets people to follow, he leads from the front by example.

Well said

[Fastynart]

If we are truthful about this, Joe is worth the money in the post season. The problem is that he is not during the regular season. If he is overpaid, it is the Raven's own fault. Instead of coming to an agreement prior to the expiration of his contract in the Super Bowl year, they rolled the dice and lost.

[TheConquerorWorm]

“Joe Flacco is another Super Bowl-winning quarterback who is getting paid more-so because he won a ring, rather than for how well he’s expected to perform going forward,” wrote PFF’s Nathan Jahnke.

This has always been one of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard. I guess Jahnke is different than the rest of us, his paycheck on Friday is for what he's going to work next week?

You get paid for the work you've done, not the work you're going to do.

Edited June 28, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[RRRRRavens]

If we are truthful about this, Joe is worth the money in the post season. The problem is that he is not during the regular season. If he is overpaid, it is the Raven's own fault. Instead of coming to an agreement prior to the expiration of his contract in the Super Bowl year, they rolled the dice and lost.

No, they won - the Super Bowl.

[ThatssoRaven1990]

Completely unrelated but does anyone know when the field turf will start being sold as souvenirs?

[b93333]

We all hope Joe lives up to his contract going forward... if he does Jahnke looks like an idiot. If not the Ravens are hurtin' for certain.

[Halshayeji]

If someone argues that flacco is the most over paid QB in the NFL then il gladly agree. He's making more than anyone in his position and there are 3-5 QBs that are just better overall. But that doesn't mean he's over rated. If Flacco was making 15 mil a year he'd be the greatest bargain in the NFL. We have 150 mil to spend every year and if there's ever a position to over spend then it's QB! Heck most teams would gladly burn that 6-7 mil if it means they have a QB that's always around the top ten in regular season and fantastic in the playoffs year in and year out.

 

if I were in Ozzie and Decostas shoes is do exactly what they did. There are 21 other starters on the team. Bargain hunt elsewhere. Not with a Super Bowl MVP!

[bioLarzen]

If we are truthful about this, Joe is worth the money in the post season. The problem is that he is not during the regular season. If he is overpaid, it is the Raven's own fault. Instead of coming to an agreement prior to the expiration of his contract in the Super Bowl year, they rolled the dice and lost.

Since there are no separate contr5acts for the regular seasons and the playoffs, you don't have much of a choice: you can get a QB who's a Peyton Manning in the regular season, but a Jamarcus Russell in the playoffs - like Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan, or one who's an Alex Smith in the regular season, but becomes a Peyton in the playoffs - like Eli manning or our very own Joe Flacco.

I personally would prefer the latter...

[bioLarzen]

Completely unrelated but does anyone know when the field turf will start being sold as souvenirs?

You may want to post a question in the Forums - you'll have a better chance to get a relevant answer there.

[OUravensfan]

Here we go again. I wonder how much Andrew Luck will get paid 

[Moderator 3]

58 minutes ago, ThatssoRaven1990 said:

Completely unrelated but does anyone know when the field turf will start being sold as souvenirs?

 

9 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

You may want to post a question in the Forums - you'll have a better chance to get a relevant answer there.

We actually don't currently know more than this, so the forums IS your best hope.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Fans-Can-Purchase-Pieces-Of-MT-Bank-Stadium-Turf/c1b48849-0e88-4f35-9410-ba98e0f7c2c8

 

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, Space11jams said:

Well said

I'll second that, very well said fus

I cringe every time I see an article like this posted. But, if the injury bug is avoided this year, Joe is set to have a career year with all the weapons at his disposal 

[OUravensfan]

25 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

I'll second that, very well said fus

I cringe every time I see an article like this posted. But, if the injury bug is avoided this year, Joe is set to have a career year with all the weapons at his disposal 

The weapons are still mostly on paper and the ones we're counting on are once again all over 30.

Kamar Aiken looks to be reliable, we hope Wallace can reemerge. We hope Watson still has it. I'm excited to hopefully see Gilmour and Williams continue to get better. Perrimean and Moore are wild cards, I hope they can both be effective. Smith is awesome but he's a wild card with that injury at that age.

I really hope Reynolds becomes our Antonio Brown. Hopefully Dixon becomes the next Rice type weapon.

Edited June 28, 2016 by OUravensfan

[JimmyBlack]

18 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

The weapons are still mostly on paper and the ones we're counting on are once again all over 30.

Kamar Aiken looks to be reliable, we hope Wallace can reemerge. We hope Watson still has it. I'm excited to hopefully see Gilmour and Williams continue to get better. Perrimean and Moore are wild cards, I hope they can both be effective. Smith is awesome but he's a wild card with that injury at that age.

I really hope Reynolds becomes our Antonio Brown. Hopefully Dixon becomes the next Rice type weapon.

Once again, Perriman is a big question mark.  Can Smith return fully effective from his injury?  I think that Wallace and Aiken will be the starters in September.

[Raven_Don]

  2 hours ago, Fastynart said:

If we are truthful about this, Joe is worth the money in the post season. The problem is that he is not during the regular season. If he is overpaid, it is the Raven's own fault. Instead of coming to an agreement prior to the expiration of his contract in the Super Bowl year, they rolled the dice and lost.

Since there are no separate contr5acts for the regular seasons and the playoffs, you don't have much of a choice: you can get a QB who's a Peyton Manning in the regular season, but a Jamarcus Russell in the playoffs - like Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan, or one who's an Alex Smith in the regular season, but becomes a Peyton in the playoffs - like Eli manning or our very own Joe Flacco.

I personally would prefer the latter...

Exactly... I am not down playing the importance of the regular season... but championships are won in January - February... and that's when Joe is at his best... every post season he turns it up a notch... I will take a mediocre regular season and a championship rather than a strong regular season and a piss poor playoff run any day

[Mahatma_Sloth]

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  4 hours ago, Fastynart said:

If we are truthful about this, Joe is worth the money in the post season. The problem is that he is not during the regular season. If he is overpaid, it is the Raven's own fault. Instead of coming to an agreement prior to the expiration of his contract in the Super Bowl year, they rolled the dice and lost.

Since there are no separate contr5acts for the regular seasons and the playoffs, you don't have much of a choice: you can get a QB who's a Peyton Manning in the regular season, but a Jamarcus Russell in the playoffs - like Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan, or one who's an Alex Smith in the regular season, but becomes a Peyton in the playoffs - like Eli manning or our very own Joe Flacco.

I personally would prefer the latter...

Exactly... I am not down playing the importance of the regular season... but championships are won in January - February... and that's when Joe is at his best... every post season he turns it up a notch... I will take a mediocre regular season and a championship rather than a strong regular season and a piss poor playoff run any day

"I will take a mediocre regular season and a championship rather than a strong regular season and a piss poor playoff run any day"

you misspelled Peyton Manning

[JacktheRaven]

  5 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Joe is a curious QB to like. He doesn't fit any of the statistically great categories (excluding his playoff to super bowl run), he seems boring and not your typical leader QB, but don't be fooled. Flacco never reached 4000 yards, because he never had to. With a good defense and a good running game, when Flacco threw it was deep where completion percentages are far less than the wide receiver screen. This stretched the field which allowed Rice to be as successful as he was both running and catching out of the backfield. And of course, you don't throw in the 4th quarter with a lead, you run out the clock. He isn't a loud in your face guy but when he needs to be a loud leader, he can grab the facemask of Derrick Mason and shake him silly (which he did). He quietly provides support to his teammates and because he isn't a rah rah guy, people miss out on those things unless someone does a story on it. For those who know football, they have a lot to say about Flacco. Bellicek has been quoted as being afraid of not only Flacco's arm saying that in one play he can bring his team back but also his feet where he said he gets them for one good 15 or 20 yard run every game when the Ravens need it most. Bellicek is one of the premier coaches (behind Harbaugh) and what he says, matters. Other coaches sit back and drool over Flacco and unless they have Brady, Newton or Roethlisberger, they would love to have Flacco as their franchise QB. So while pundits and media paparazzi want the flashy qb who yells at his fellow players and breaks every passing record, the people who know football would love to have Flacco who is calm and cool in the face of pressure, has a cannon for an arm, and leads in a way that gets people to follow, he leads from the front by example.

Well said

Joe didn't grab Derrick M's. face mask. I think it was the other way around.

[JacktheRaven]

Joe is a curious QB to like. He doesn't fit any of the statistically great categories (excluding his playoff to super bowl run), he seems boring and not your typical leader QB, but don't be fooled. Flacco never reached 4000 yards, because he never had to. With a good defense and a good running game, when Flacco threw it was deep where completion percentages are far less than the wide receiver screen. This stretched the field which allowed Rice to be as successful as he was both running and catching out of the backfield. And of course, you don't throw in the 4th quarter with a lead, you run out the clock. He isn't a loud in your face guy but when he needs to be a loud leader, he can grab the facemask of Derrick Mason and shake him silly (which he did). He quietly provides support to his teammates and because he isn't a rah rah guy, people miss out on those things unless someone does a story on it. For those who know football, they have a lot to say about Flacco. Bellicek has been quoted as being afraid of not only Flacco's arm saying that in one play he can bring his team back but also his feet where he said he gets them for one good 15 or 20 yard run every game when the Ravens need it most. Bellicek is one of the premier coaches (behind Harbaugh) and what he says, matters. Other coaches sit back and drool over Flacco and unless they have Brady, Newton or Roethlisberger, they would love to have Flacco as their franchise QB. So while pundits and media paparazzi want the flashy qb who yells at his fellow players and breaks every passing record, the people who know football would love to have Flacco who is calm and cool in the face of pressure, has a cannon for an arm, and leads in a way that gets people to follow, he leads from the front by example.

Joe didn't grab Derrick M's face mask. I think it was the other way around

[steelcityraven]

If Joe wins another super bowl this year (or in the near future) everyone else in America can call him over rated if they want.... in BMORE we will place a statue of him beside the Ray Lewis statue! End of debate~

[steelcityraven]

The only QB who consistently does it with little weapons is Brady (he has had Gronk, Welker, Moss, and Eldeman) but rarely multiple targets at once and rarely ever the type of weapons that Peyton (Dthomas, JThomas, Welker or Harrison, Wayne, DClark) or Rothlisberger or Matt Ryan or others have had. The only QB to win and win consistently with minimial weapons has been Joe and Brady and the one time that Joe has had multiple weapons (Boldin, Torrey, Pitta) we won a super bowl. This year Joe has weapons... I think it will be us and the Patriots facing off in the playoffs again and the winner of that - brining home another Lombardi trophy. If we can stay healthy and some of our players take that next step.... Joe will show that once again... when he has weapons... he can beat anyone!

[respecttheRaven]

33 minutes ago, JacktheRaven said:

Joe didn't grab Derrick M's face mask. I think it was the other way around

You are correct. 

"One of those moments came in the fourth quarter Sunday when Mason got into a fight with quarterback Joe Flacco on the sideline in Charlotte, N.C., at one point grabbing Flacco's face mask."

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-11-25/sports/bs-sp-preston-ravens-1126-20101124_1_houshmandzadeh-ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-receivers

[JacktheRaven]

Nobody defends Joe more than me. However, I'm concerned about Trestman. The 1st 10 games, last year, with Joe & Trestman were not good. Let's hope that improves.

[JamesA119]

Flacco is a level headed guy. He is never too up or down regardless of the situation. I am sure that people who know him personally think very highly of him. However he has underperformed for most of his career on the field in the regular season. Contrarily he has out performed just about any QB in the playoffs. Since there are way more regular season games than playoff games people have more images of the under performing Flacco than the killer Joe that comes out in the playoffs.
If he can just find ways to win enough regular season games to get us into the playoffs and perhaps with some home court advantage, we would have more championships.

As far as his contract goes, he has been one of the luckiest QB as well. He gambled just before his first contract and won biiiiggg! With his second contract, the options were pay him or cut him, or negotiate a commensurate contract just based on being a starting QB in this league. Again Flacco had the upper hand. No one is owing to cut the only franchise QB they've ever had in his prime, and paying him on the the $28M was not gonna happen, but still what they settled for still made him one of the highest paid QBs despite overall poor play since his first contract. So he has been a beneficiary of a lot of circumstances that can only go in his favor.

[JamesA119]

“Joe Flacco is another Super Bowl-winning quarterback who is getting paid more-so because he won a ring, rather than for how well he’s expected to perform going forward,” wrote PFF’s Nathan Jahnke.

This has always been one of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard. I guess Jahnke is different than the rest of us, his paycheck on Friday is for what he's going to work next week?

You get paid for the work you've done, not the work you're going to do.

FYI: contracts are for future production. However the best indicator of future productivity is past performance. Sports contracts are weighted heavily towards the future productivity. That's why veterans get cut instead of getting a big contracts. That veteran may have even just had a career year. Remember Boldin. He dint have a career year in 2012 but he had one of his best years and yet instead of paying him, they let him walk. They were betting that is best years are behind him.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

2 things affected Joe's performance. 1) Lack of a consistent Left Tackle Blind side stability, and 2) Loss of weapons. Boldin traded, Pitta injured, Torrey eventually gone, Jacoby fizzled out and gone

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

2 things affected Joe's performance. 1) Lack of a consistent Left Tackle Blind side stability, and 2) Loss of weapons. Boldin traded, Pitta injured, Torrey eventually gone, Jacoby fizzled out and gone

I still think that Flacco is all the quarterback we need and more. However, the problem now is that the Front Office has allowed the team to deteriorate around him, both offensively and defensively.  (Worse yet, seeing how they didn't appreciate the chemistry, I'm now convinced the aggregation of the Championship team was mostly luck.) Flacco is 31 years old, his window of opportunity was upon us when Newsome made the decision to rebuild the championship team and jettison key contributors and Flaccos favorite weapon.  Everything that has gone South since those purges has been the result of Front Office scrambling to undo the harm of the purge. 

Realizing Flacco was gonna miss Boldin they sign an injured Pitta.  I won't get into how the Boldin Cap Savings was squandered due to bad decision making. Having purged their safeties they draft an unqualified Elam. Having missed on Elam, they have gambled on Free Agents that really weren't up to the task. They just gotta have Monroe and then they don't to more dead money. Our receiving corps has been horribly neglected under Flacco, for crying out loud, look who our leading receiver was last year! 

You think the Monroe purge was quizzical? To my eye its the same move as stranding Elam without a mentor. This time it's Stanley and yeah, he needs some help.  I just don't get it, but I'm convinced Newsome is older than his years.

Flacco has about 4 more years.  Will the team he needs be there for him during his window of opportunity? It's a stretch.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Danny D