NFL.com's David Carr says Flacco is Number 3 overrated QB

[Ravenseconbeast]

Pretty much a given.  Jay Cutler & Flacco will probably be the most overrated QBs in a all-time century team (respective to AFC and NFC).   No one tops crappy performances like Joe and give him more excuses than Flacco's homers.

[cushrinada1986]

On 3/20/2016 at 4:36 PM, Underdogsontop! said:

So here's what I'm thinking.......

1) SSS

2) Wallace

3) Aiken

4) Periman

5) Camp or Chris Mathews?

6) Draft pick

what do you folks think?

 

23 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

David Carr, live on NFL.com said that Flacco is the number 3 overrated QB in the NFL because: even though his numbers look good, and he has the most top playoff stats, and a MVP superbowl ring....his play is mediocre..........WHAT????

Ah yes it's off season....release the media trolls....I guarantee that before the first preseason game all the "football analyst" will have the Steelers and Patriots as the AFC championship contenders.....here we go again!!!! lol  

So going 11 TDs and no INTs in a single Playoff run is mediocre? Out performing Manning, Brady, and Luck all in the same playoffs to beat the 49s in the SB and become MVP, thats mediocre? I think David did not put into the equation that Flacco doesnt have the same weapons some of the more popular QBs have in the league. I bet you $100.00 that Flacco wouldnt have a * by his elite status if he had a Jordy Nelson, a Antonio Brown/Thomas, or Gronk but still won a SB. We shall see what happens this year but I can see Flacco finally showing his doubters wrong and letting his arm do the talking.

[gtalk12]

overrated, are we talking 2002 1st overall pick who did nothing to lead his team? that guy calling Superbowl MVP overrated? lmao

[redrum52]

3 hours ago, berad said:

If we're using Joe Flacco standards, critics would say he holds the ball too long and takes those sacks. I've seen words on that, actually...

I don't care what Carr thinks. He's paid to give his opinion, he gave it... won't be the last person to throw shade at Joe Flacco.

I personally don't care much what he thinks either.  Why not look at the positive.  As someone else said, I'm just surprised he's considered overrated because that means others considered him highly in the the first place.

[Deflated Football]

8 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Pretty much a given.  Jay Cutler & Flacco will probably be the most overrated QBs in a all-time century team (respective to AFC and NFC).   No one tops crappy performances like Joe and give him more excuses than Flacco's homers.

As Ravens fans we've never had anything better or even as good as Joe. Excuse us for being "homers" and believing in our Super Bowl MVP QB. I assume you thought Troy Smith would've started a dynasty if given the chance?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

34 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

As Ravens fans we've never had anything better or even as good as Joe. Excuse us for being "homers" and believing in our Super Bowl MVP QB. I assume you thought Troy Smith would've started a dynasty if given the chance?

Not to mention it's very hard to get a QB in this league. A lot of them do bust. 

Oh, and most overrated next to Cutler? I'll notify Dalton, Ryan, and Alex Smith.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 hours ago, cushrinada1986 said:

 

So going 11 TDs and no INTs in a single Playoff run is mediocre? Out performing Manning, Brady, and Luck all in the same playoffs to beat the 49s in the SB and become MVP, thats mediocre? I think David did not put into the equation that Flacco doesnt have the same weapons some of the more popular QBs have in the league. I bet you $100.00 that Flacco wouldnt have a * by his elite status if he had a Jordy Nelson, a Antonio Brown/Thomas, or Gronk but still won a SB. We shall see what happens this year but I can see Flacco finally showing his doubters wrong and letting his arm do the talking.

Well, in fairness pointing to one playoff run isnt exactly the greatest argument to dispute the mediocrity argument.

Like i said, i dont agree. But i think we're purposely ignoring things if we dont understand why many do think hes mediocre.

I value certain things in my qb over others things - and thats why i like Joe as my QB. But, a lot of the things most people value, Joe hasnt done. He doesnt put up big numbers. He does still make far too many boneheaded mistakes. His play is more up and down than youd like at times. 

But he usually does those bad things when theres still time to make up for it. And he will usually make up for it. and he turns it on when it matters most.

Thats why i ride with him - but i also completely understand why others thing hes mediocre. There are reasonable and justifiable reasons to think so. Not going to knock someone for preferring Brees, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Big Ben type of guy.... but i also understand liking a flacco type of guy bc end of day he usually ends up in the same spot as those guys, and frequently beats them when it matters most.

[Kinda_Dante]

I think it's just a little surprising to see him in this list because he isn't very highly rated by the media outside of Baltimore, so I think it's pretty difficult to say he's overrated when a lot of people don't have him in their top 10.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I think it's just a little surprising to see him in this list because he isn't very highly rated by the media outside of Baltimore, so I think it's pretty difficult to say he's overrated when a lot of people don't have him in their top 10.

thats the most valid argument to dispute the "overrated" tag. Hard to be over rated when you're hardly rated.

But i do think the national hate on him has subsided a bit, and hes widely gotten more praise/respect across the league and most fan bases. Most atlanta fans i know openly admit to preferring flacco to ryan. I think by most he's rated right where he should be - right around that top 10 mark. He's got the upside to be higher, but whether its the weapons around him, the OC carousel, leading with the run game, or just purely his development he hasnt quite reached the heights we all know he can except for that one playoff run.

Now hes got some good weapons. The Oline is a question mark, but as long as he comes back 100% healthy, there arent any more excuses not to put up over 4k yds, 28+ Tds, less than 12 INTs, and stay above 62% completion for the season.

Time for Joey Cool to prove us all right. Put up or shut up time.

[Kinda_Dante]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

thats the most valid argument to dispute the "overrated" tag. Hard to be over rated when you're hardly rated.

But i do think the national hate on him has subsided a bit, and hes widely gotten more praise/respect across the league and most fan bases. Most atlanta fans i know openly admit to preferring flacco to ryan. I think by most he's rated right where he should be - right around that top 10 mark. He's got the upside to be higher, but whether its the weapons around him, the OC carousel, leading with the run game, or just purely his development he hasnt quite reached the heights we all know he can except for that one playoff run.

Now hes got some good weapons. The Oline is a question mark, but as long as he comes back 100% healthy, there arent any more excuses not to put up over 4k yds, 28+ Tds, less than 12 INTs, and stay above 62% completion for the season.

Time for Joey Cool to prove us all right. Put up or shut up time.

Yea this season he should either vault to the top tier of QB play or just be the reliable QB that we know can get it done if we can get him to the playoffs, and honestly I'm happy with either.

[OUravensfan]

I think it's humorous he had his brother on the underrated list. How can Flacco be overrated, he's not on the top 100 player list this year but Blake Bortles, Carr, Dalton and Smith are. Who would you want as your QB in a championship game when you need to score 25 or more on the road.....Thought so

Edited June 22, 2016 by OUravensfan

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23 hours ago, AsianRice said:

Since when Flacco is rated elite outside of Baltimore?? How can he be overrated when he's never considered elite in the media and fans around the world?

 

Is David Carr referred to himself? cuz he has been overrated ever since drafted as #1 overall pick.....

 

 

Dalton has outplayed Flacco in H2H match ups almost every time they've played...  and he must be a good qb because AJ Green puts up great numbers.  Who's getting AJ the ball?

[OUravensfan]

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Dalton has outplayed Flacco in H2H match ups almost every time they've played...  and he must be a good qb because AJ Green puts up great numbers.  Who's getting AJ the ball?

Seen every Ravens game since 96 and every Bengals game since 03 since moving here, Dalton is not better. Loaded with offensive talent, tall WRs that catch his high passes over the middle. Lots of quick screens that are turned in YAC, best starting field position in the NFL last year, great o line.

Bengals secondary has been better than ours, the game in Baltmore last year really illustrated this, Dalton was throwing to wide open WRs and ours were blanketed all day. Dalton had a good year last year no doubt, but it is so unfair to Flacco to compare these guys stats when you consider the surrounding circumstances. In 2013 Dalton won throwing 4 INTs the second game, the first game Flacco lost 150 yards to drops. 2014 the Steve Smith robbery. These games have hurt for sure. But having watched Dalton and Flacco their whole careers it just isn't close, the degree of difficulty in their average throws is night and day, and we don't scheme WRs open as well as they do.

I hope someday we can see what Flacco would do with an AJ Green type WR. We saw what he did with 31 year old Boldin, Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith.

Steve Smith had a career revival with Flacco, Torrey Smith had a severe drop off without Flacco. AJ Green didn't miss a beat when AJ McCarron came in. 

I think you were being sarcastic anyway but I plan to have this argument all year with my Bengal friends.

Edited June 22, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

Dalton has outplayed Flacco in H2H match ups almost every time they've played...  and he must be a good qb because AJ Green puts up great numbers.  Who's getting AJ the ball?

Head to head is irrelevant as dalton is throwing against our defense and flacco vs his. Atleast use common opponents. 

[OUravensfan]

3 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Head to head is irrelevant as dalton is throwing against our defense and flacco vs his. Atleast use common opponents. 

I hope our secondary is fixed this year. 

[Edgar]

Daltons played well overall. Generally careful with the ball. Makes good decisions and gets rid of the ball quickly.

Might be more appropriate if he was on the underrated list.

Have to beat those guys this year.

[Ravensfan23]

The Ravens are more then happy with Flacco and his play. They continue to win with Flacco and the players he leads continue to love him. I personally don't care what anyone inside or outside of Baltimore thinks of Flacco. They guy is a winner and has the talent to win multiple Super Bowls before his career is over. Is he perfect? NO, is he Elite? What's elite? is he a Winner? Yes. 

Carr's opinion is just that his opinion. He gets paid to give it in hopes that people will listen. Just 7 months ago he listed Flacco as one of the top 3 most underrated QBs in the NFL. What changed, an injury and a contract extension? That's why it's hard to take these guys opinions serious because there is nothing tied to it. Here's what Carr had to say about Flacco during the season. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

So he's underrated because despite everyone around him getting injured, he's keeping his team competitive, yet he's overrated because he only threw 14TD ran for 3 more in 10 games?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The Ravens are more then happy with Flacco and his play. They continue to win with Flacco and the players he leads continue to love him. I personally don't care what anyone inside or outside of Baltimore thinks of Flacco. They guy is a winner and has the talent to win multiple Super Bowls before his career is over. Is he perfect? NO, is he Elite? What's elite? is he a Winner? Yes. 

Carr's opinion is just that his opinion. He gets paid to give it in hopes that people will listen. Just 7 months ago he listed Flacco as one of the top 3 most underrated QBs in the NFL. What changed, an injury and a contract extension? That's why it's hard to take these guys opinions serious because there is nothing tied to it. Here's what Carr had to say about Flacco during the season. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

So he's underrated because despite everyone around him getting injured, he's keeping his team competitive, yet he's overrated because he only threw 14TD ran for 3 more in 10 games?

Nice pull. You officially win the thread.

Go'head. Drop that mic.

[Ravenslifer]

5 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Dalton has outplayed Flacco in H2H match ups almost every time they've played...  and he must be a good qb because AJ Green puts up great numbers.  Who's getting AJ the ball?

 

Uh, what?  Since 2011, Dalton has 2400 yards, 10 TDs 13 picks and a QBR of 75 vs. the Ravens.  Since that same time, Flacco has 2400 yards, 13 TDs to 10 picks and a QBR of 84 against Cincinnati.  Since 2011, Cinci has been in the top 3 of opposing QBR against 3 times while Baltimore has been there just once.  In the last 2 years Baltimore has been in the bottom half of the league in opposing QBR, Cincinatti hasn't been that bad since 2010.  Head-to-head matchups are a fallacy in rating quarterbacks since they don't play each other, they play their opponents' defense. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

On 6/20/2016 at 5:11 PM, ravenwildman said:

David Carr, live on NFL.com said that Flacco is the number 3 overrated QB in the NFL because: even though his numbers look good, and he has the most top playoff stats, and a MVP superbowl ring....his play is mediocre..........WHAT????

Ah yes it's off season....release the media trolls....I guarantee that before the first preseason game all the "football analyst" will have the Steelers and Patriots as the AFC championship contenders.....here we go again!!!! lol  

How many rings does Carr have?

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6 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Seen every Ravens game since 96 and every Bengals game since 03 since moving here, Dalton is not better. Loaded with offensive talent, tall WRs that catch his high passes over the middle. Lots of quick screens that are turned in YAC, best starting field position in the NFL last year, great o line.

Bengals secondary has been better than ours, the game in Baltmore last year really illustrated this, Dalton was throwing to wide open WRs and ours were blanketed all day. Dalton had a good year last year no doubt, but it is so unfair to Flacco to compare these guys stats when you consider the surrounding circumstances. In 2013 Dalton won throwing 4 INTs the second game, the first game Flacco lost 150 yards to drops. 2014 the Steve Smith robbery. These games have hurt for sure. But having watched Dalton and Flacco their whole careers it just isn't close, the degree of difficulty in their average throws is night and day, and we don't scheme WRs open as well as they do.

I hope someday we can see what Flacco would do with an AJ Green type WR. We saw what he did with 31 year old Boldin, Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith.

Steve Smith had a career revival with Flacco, Torrey Smith had a severe drop off without Flacco. AJ Green didn't miss a beat when AJ McCarron came in. 

I think you were being sarcastic anyway but I plan to have this argument all year with my Bengal friends.

Was being very sarcastic because there have been these same arguments made for Flacco.  You all just proved a big point about when people compare qbs in the same game.  They don't play the same defense.  That is all.  I was also informed that if a wr is having success that the qb must be having success too because they are getting them the ball.  You can continue now.

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2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

How many rings does Carr have?

Same as Marino and less than Dilfer...

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, Ravenslifer said:

 

Uh, what?  Since 2011, Dalton has 2400 yards, 10 TDs 13 picks and a QBR of 75 vs. the Ravens.  Since that same time, Flacco has 2400 yards, 13 TDs to 10 picks and a QBR of 84 against Cincinnati.  Since 2011, Cinci has been in the top 3 of opposing QBR against 3 times while Baltimore has been there just once.  In the last 2 years Baltimore has been in the bottom half of the league in opposing QBR, Cincinatti hasn't been that bad since 2010.  Head-to-head matchups are a fallacy in rating quarterbacks since they don't play each other, they play their opponents' defense. 

Being able to throw a 80 yard bomb to AJ Green per game helps those numbers I'd say. lol I think that guy has like 2 80 yard catches and 2 50+ yard catches against the Ravens in his career. 

[Ravens_96]

24 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Being able to throw a 80 yard bomb to AJ Green per game helps those numbers I'd say. lol I think that guy has like 2 80 yard catches and 2 50+ yard catches against the Ravens in his career. 

 If the Bengals had Flacco, they would have made and probably won the super bowl by now.  Instead with Dalton, they haven't won a playoff game in over 25 years. 

[flynismo]

Carr has been hating on Flacco for a few weeks now...so what?

I'll give Carr this -- Jamie Dukes(!) told Carr Flacco doesn't belong on that list, and Carr responded "Well, Flacco is on two lists, Most Overrated and Most Underrated". At least Carr can see it from different perspectives.

[OUravensfan]

14 hours ago, Ravens_96 said:

 If the Bengals had Flacco, they would have made and probably won the super bowl by now.  Instead with Dalton, they haven't won a playoff game in over 25 years. 

Couldn't agree more, he improved last year but he might have the best situation in the NFL in terms of surrounding team.

[Tiznut]

15 hours ago, Ravens_96 said:

 If the Bengals had Flacco, they would have made and probably won the super bowl by now.  Instead with Dalton, they haven't won a playoff game in over 25 years. 

Your post makes it sound like dalton has been around for the whole time 

[Edgar]

Losers of 6 out of our last 7 against Cincinnati.

Dalton appears to be throwing a 7 on 7 drill in crunch time. Secondary has to improve its play to at least make him hold the ball a little longer. He decides quickly and gets rid of it quickly and our pass rush can't get there quickly enough.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 hours ago, flynismo said:

Carr has been hating on Flacco for a few weeks now...so what?

I'll give Carr this -- Jamie Dukes(!) told Carr Flacco doesn't belong on that list, and Carr responded "Well, Flacco is on two lists, Most Overrated and Most Underrated". At least Carr can see it from different perspectives.

Yea, i think as fans we're being blind if we're not at least open to the perception of Flacco being "overrated." 

While he doesnt get the most praise in the media and nationally, most have come around on him and quite a few have put the elite label on him -- it's not like it once was where he got no respect. There are fair arguments to not liking him or wanting him as your QB.

There just happens to be several very valid arguments against some of those opinions, and some others to support him being a great QB. It depends on what you look for and like in your QB. If you judge guys by winning, take away/give points based on surrounding cast and coaching/scheme, recognize arm talent and place a heavy emphasis on post season play - then yes Joe is among the best.

If you care more about consistently performing, especially statistically, with equal emphasis on regular season and post season play, feel that QBs tend to make their weapons moreso than the weapons help the QB, heavily weigh the numbers, and dont take winning much into account as thats more a reflection of team accomplishment... then its easy to understand why some may not like Joe.

Dont think Joe was done wrong here. I like him as my QB, and there arent many id take over him. I know theres a lot of people who'd prefer half the QBs in the league to Joe - and im just fine with that too.

He's on my team. We win a lot. And, if youre unlucky enough to meet us in the playoffs -- Joe's probably going to out duel your QB.

[Ravensfan23]

19 hours ago, Ravens_96 said:

 If the Bengals had Flacco, they would have made and probably won the super bowl by now.  Instead with Dalton, they haven't won a playoff game in over 25 years. 

Yea that team has been stacked, but I think their window is rapidly closing if not shut. Both the Ravens and Steelers have been in transition years and the time for Cincy to really step up was over the last couple years but they couldn't as far as playoffs wins and a possible Ring. Yes they have won the North but even that wasn't a cake walk. So now that the Steelers defense is expected to be better and the Ravens are seemingly more stacked and healthier then ever, Cincy will find it really hard to stay atop this division or win a playoff game. 

I'm not gonna put a cap or number on what Flacco's season will be but I think it could be one of his best with the weapons he now has and Trestman calling the plays. I wouldn't be surprised to see the label of Fluke placed on Flacco after this year because he'll have such a good one that no one will be able to talk about his numbers, so they'll just say it was a fluke season, do it again.