NFL.com's David Carr says Flacco is Number 3 overrated QB

[berad]

On 7/8/2016 at 8:25 PM, Wisdom said:

Yes, Luck is with good upside.   Far more accurate and consistent than Flacco will ever be. 

Luck's 2015 was definitely more consistently bad.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, berad said:

Luck's 2015 was definitely more consistently bad.

That awful offensive line finally caught up with him.

He's gotten the reverse Flacco treatment. They've invested a fairly heavy amount into receivers during his career, but absolutely ignored the offensive line.

Seems like both teams are rectifying their issues for their quarterbacks this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That awful offensive line finally caught up with him.

He's gotten the reverse Flacco treatment. They've invested a fairly heavy amount into receivers during his career, but absolutely ignored the offensive line.

Seems like both teams are rectifying their issues for their quarterbacks this year.

Flaccos had a generally weak line most of his career as well, at least in terms of pass blocking. He's had good run blocking lines but his tackles have really left him out to dry for a long time. Outside of 2014 and the super bowl run obviously..

 

I won't argue that our line has ever been as bad as indys though, good God... Lol

Edited July 13, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[BmoreBird22]

48 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Flaccos had a generally weak line most of his career as well, at least in terms of pass blocking. He's had good run blocking lines but his tackles have really left him out to dry for a long time. Outside of 2014 and the super bowl run obviously..

 

I won't argue that our line has ever been as bad as indys though, good God... Lol

I'd disagree. He's always had talented offensive lines with injuries being a big concern, and that only comes into play when the starters miss a game (Yanda early, Brown, Gaither, Monroe). 

For the most part, I'd say he's had some very good offensive lines, especially elite interior play, which I'd rather have than elite tackles and the worst interior in the league.

No, never had quite the Cowboys offensive line, but they also haven't been worst in the league bad consistently. 

[Edgar]

30 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd disagree. He's always had talented offensive lines with injuries being a big concern, and that only comes into play when the starters miss a game (Yanda early, Brown, Gaither, Monroe). 

For the most part, I'd say he's had some very good offensive lines, especially elite interior play, which I'd rather have than elite tackles and the worst interior in the league.

No, never had quite the Cowboys offensive line, but they also haven't been worst in the league bad consistently. 

2013 was brutal. You could see it in pre-season. 

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

2013 was brutal. You could see it in pre-season. 

That season I won't argue about at all. When Yanda is off his game, you know it's bad.

[OUravensfan]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That season I won't argue about at all. When Yanda is off his game, you know it's bad.

Probably had something to do with having to partially assume the role of center as well since Gino couldn't handle the coordination part of being the center.

[robbie29]

Flacco isn't overrated, he's just overpaid. The farther removed the Ravens get from their 2012 postseason performance, the more difficult it becomes to justify Flacco's elite contract. That said, I hope Joe & the Ravens end up winning the Super Bowl this year and force me to eat crow. Go Ravens.

[The Raven]

Flacco debates are still a thing? That's so 2011.

[OUravensfan]

3 hours ago, robbie29 said:

Flacco isn't overrated, he's just overpaid. The farther removed the Ravens get from their 2012 postseason performance, the more difficult it becomes to justify Flacco's elite contract. That said, I hope Joe & the Ravens end up winning the Super Bowl this year and force me to eat crow. Go Ravens.

Brock Oswiler justified his contract 

[Deflated Football]

7 hours ago, The Raven said:

Flacco debates are still a thing? That's so 2011.

I doubt it will ever go away unfortunately, even after he retires lol

[flynismo]

On 7/1/2016 at 0:52 AM, Winchester said:

Luck is eventually the best qb in the league. The Colts are a 4 win team with joe flacco and I actually like Joe cool as a franchise qb. Lucks oline is terrible!! His WRs are terrible.He makes Hilton better than he really is. Luck has taken a pounding like no qb ever has behind that oline and incompetent gm!! He takes ferocious  hits and says good job to the defense Crying Cam Newton sobs to the officials and never takes the hits luck has absorbed standing in the rush. The gm is a total moron!! Watched Trent Richardson in the nfl for 2 years and trades a round 1pick for a total bust. Then spends big on aged Johnson and Gore who were over their prime and clearly no longer above average.  Not to mention the offensive coordinators system is very vanilla and predictable. Luck was playing hurt before his big injury was announced. His shoulder was clearly hurting. He hit his olineman in the back several times before he went on i.r. you don't see that from Matt Schaub much less Andrew luck.  How is it the gm has a job??

 

On 6/30/2016 at 1:50 PM, redrum52 said:

Exactly.  If Luck was in Flacco or Dalton situation, he'd be looked at much differently, I think.  His spot is awful.  OL is trash, defense bad to mediocre, run game seems non existent and his GM should've been fired 2 years ago.  He's basically been asked to carry that team since he got there.

 

On 6/30/2016 at 2:52 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Luck also took a 2-14 team to the playoffs his first year, and then a game further each successive year until reaching the AFCCG... without that cast improving much, if at all. And that was with literally no defense, no run game, no offensive line, and a couple weapons.

While Flacco reached similar heights early in his career, at that time (his first couple years) the Ravens D was still pretty dominant, the run game was good-to-great, the O-line was very good (aside from from 2012 regular season, but got corrected on the SB run with McKinnie coming in), and he had decent weapons (Mason, Boldin, Torrey, Heap, Pitta, Rice) at different points.

We've been witnessing a changing of the tides, where the defense has slipped, the run game hasnt been consistent, and the oline has been spotty - to where our success or lack there of has been more and more dependent on Flacco. 2014 is a perfect example of Flacco taking us very far, mainly on the merits of his arm. 

While I agree - in terms of physical tools Flacco and Luck could be similar players. But we havent seen Flacco put an entire team on his back routinely aside from the 2012 playoff run, whereas any success the Colts have had has been a result of Luck almost entirely by himself.

 

And, I think since we've seen very few QBs, especially early in their career, be able to carry a team to playoff success.... his accomplishments get blown up more.

 

 

Going back to Luck...you guys may have a point about him, if it weren't for this...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17319873/nfl-2016-preseason-power-rankings-seattle-seahawks-arizona-cardinals-top-new-england-patriots-behind

 

Indy was 2-5 with Luck last year, and 6-3 with other random backups starting. Hmmm....

 

 

On 6/30/2016 at 6:31 AM, flynismo said:

I have no clue why anyone would put Luck ahead of Flacco. Luck is obscenely overrated; you'd think the guy has multiple MVPs and a SB or two the way people talk about him. His stats have been very similar to Flacco's, without the accomplishments and records Flacco has achieved.

 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

 

In the video I saw he said he was top 3 in the most UNDERRATED QBs in the league.This thread made it to 10 pages over a mistake lol.

Edited August 20, 2016 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[redrum52]

34 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

 

 

 

Going back to Luck...you guys may have a point about him, if it weren't for this...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17319873/nfl-2016-preseason-power-rankings-seattle-seahawks-arizona-cardinals-top-new-england-patriots-behind

 

Indy was 2-5 with Luck last year, and 6-3 with other random backups starting. Hmmm....

 

 

 

You're very late on this, but I'll go off of whats posted.  Objectively speaking, who has been out in a better situation?  Who has better FO, coaching staff and personnel?  If you had to look at game plans for each, who's been asked to do more with each team at each point in their career?  I think Luck's done a lot considering what he was asked to do, but that's no knock on Joe.  So similar situation to me would be, if you swap Peyton and Brady.  Brady probably doesn't have as many rings without BB and that team around him, and Peyton might have more.

[Tank 92]

28 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

 

In the video I saw he said he was top 3 in the most UNDERRATED QBs in the league.This thread made it to 10 pages over a mistake lol.

LMAO!!!!!!!!  Time to put the thread on rewind, start over.

[redrum52]

35 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

 

In the video I saw he said he was top 3 in the most UNDERRATED QBs in the league.This thread made it to 10 pages over a mistake lol.

I think he actually said he was both underrated and overrated.

 

Don't know if that's the full clip or not and don't feel like really getting back into this.

Edited August 20, 2016 by redrum52

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I think he actually said he was both underrated and overrated.

Where did he say he was over rated?  Another, different interview?

[redrum52]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Where did he say he was over rated?  Another, different interview?

Yea.  I'm pretty sure the clip was on nfl.com before but this thread was started a while ago.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Almost a decade with Flacco and I already know what to expect from him this year.   He will bring another dud performance and homers will moan how great he is 

'if he were to have an all-star cast'.    How amazing his 'vision' in eyeing one receiver is, how amazingly 'accurate' his overthrow is, how bad our oline is when its glaringly obvious flacco has ZERO clue after 8 years where pressure is comming from, how amazing his step is to 'avoid traffic' under pressure and blame the fumble onto some lineman that seemingly is judged to be the worst in the league every year.   

 

Dak Prescott would top Flacco anyday, if Flacco was in Cowboys uniform.   Can you imagine what that 4th rounder would do if we gave him +5 years and stayed as patient as Flacco? We should have parted way with this guy after SB.   Paying him big did absolutely nothing to this franchise except hold us down and expect his 'greatness' to offset any financial cap restriction we put on ourselves.

 

No organization gives more support and patience and time in grooming a QB like Ravens organization.   If Flacco flops this year, trade him and let's move onto a new QB!

[Willbacker]

28 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Almost a decade with Flacco and I already know what to expect from him this year.   He will bring another dud performance and homers will moan how great he is 

'if he were to have an all-star cast'.    How amazing his 'vision' in eyeing one receiver is, how amazingly 'accurate' his overthrow is, how bad our oline is when its glaringly obvious flacco has ZERO clue after 8 years where pressure is comming from, how amazing his step is to 'avoid traffic' under pressure and blame the fumble onto some lineman that seemingly is judged to be the worst in the league every year.   

 

Dak Prescott would top Flacco anyday, if Flacco was in Cowboys uniform.   Can you imagine what that 4th rounder would do if we gave him +5 years and stayed as patient as Flacco? We should have parted way with this guy after SB.   Paying him big did absolutely nothing to this franchise except hold us down and expect his 'greatness' to offset any financial cap restriction we put on ourselves.

 

No organization gives more support and patience and time in grooming a QB like Ravens organization.   If Flacco flops this year, trade him and let's move onto a new QB!

Yep he's a real dud in January. Isn't he bro?

[redrum52]

On 7/12/2016 at 10:53 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

That awful offensive line finally caught up with him.

He's gotten the reverse Flacco treatment. They've invested a fairly heavy amount into receivers during his career, but absolutely ignored the offensive line.

Seems like both teams are rectifying their issues for their quarterbacks this year.

Agree.

On 7/13/2016 at 8:26 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Flaccos had a generally weak line most of his career as well, at least in terms of pass blocking. He's had good run blocking lines but his tackles have really left him out to dry for a long time. Outside of 2014 and the super bowl run obviously..

 

I won't argue that our line has ever been as bad as indys though, good God... Lol

Disagree.  His OL have been pretty good since he got here.  Between Cams play calling and him holding onto the ball, it didn't make them look better, but they held up well.

On 7/13/2016 at 9:17 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd disagree. He's always had talented offensive lines with injuries being a big concern, and that only comes into play when the starters miss a game (Yanda early, Brown, Gaither, Monroe). 

For the most part, I'd say he's had some very good offensive lines, especially elite interior play, which I'd rather have than elite tackles and the worst interior in the league.

No, never had quite the Cowboys offensive line, but they also haven't been worst in the league bad consistently. 

Never the best, but I'd say until 2013, they were easily top 10 and some years even top 5.  14 they were back on track and 15 I'd say middle of the pack.  They were inconsistent.

On 7/13/2016 at 9:49 AM, Edgar said:

2013 was brutal. You could see it in pre-season. 

13 OL was very difficult to watch unless  it was for comedic purposes.  Was terrible and I don't think anyone saw it coming with how they gelled during the playoff run.  Pretty sure the only person we lost was Birk.

[Militant X 1]

On 8/20/2016 at 2:40 PM, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgslm7R1T7Y

 

 

In the video I saw he said he was top 3 in the most UNDERRATED QBs in the league.This thread made it to 10 pages over a mistake lol.

Carr stated the following things about Flacco in that clip:

 

-Ravens have a chance to win every game at the end because of him

-His ability to adapt to the different coordinators he's had (4 in 3 years)

-He has one of the strongest arms in the league

-He kind of goes underrated cause he doesn't look like the most physically gifted guy

-He's a big guy in the pocket and keeps his eyes down field

-Super accurate down the field and the intermediate stuff

-He does a good job pushing the ball down the field and he's not afraid to throw it into coverage

-HE DOESN'T GET THE CREDIT THAT HE DESERVES....SUPERBOWL CHAMPION.....I LOVE THIS GUY!

 

[redrum52]

Found it...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nfl.com/now/10103061-7033-0000-0067-0485ff949a44&ved=0ahUKEwjF8d_xs9TOAhUBkx4KHT7tBe8QFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNF03uShddxxTm-qDUrn6viWZhYJog

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Almost a decade with Flacco and I already know what to expect from him this year.   He will bring another dud performance and homers will moan how great he is 

'if he were to have an all-star cast'.    How amazing his 'vision' in eyeing one receiver is, how amazingly 'accurate' his overthrow is, how bad our oline is when its glaringly obvious flacco has ZERO clue after 8 years where pressure is comming from, how amazing his step is to 'avoid traffic' under pressure and blame the fumble onto some lineman that seemingly is judged to be the worst in the league every year.   

 

Dak Prescott would top Flacco anyday, if Flacco was in Cowboys uniform.   Can you imagine what that 4th rounder would do if we gave him +5 years and stayed as patient as Flacco? We should have parted way with this guy after SB.   Paying him big did absolutely nothing to this franchise except hold us down and expect his 'greatness' to offset any financial cap restriction we put on ourselves.

 

No organization gives more support and patience and time in grooming a QB like Ravens organization.   If Flacco flops this year, trade him and let's move onto a new QB!

This right here is exactly what I love to read,  helps me remeber that I'm objective and a realist.   A rookie QB who hasn't ever taken a snap is better than a SB MVP... Love it.  

[terpmaniac]

On 8/21/2016 at 8:34 PM, Ravenseconbeast said:

Almost a decade with Flacco and I already know what to expect from him this year.   He will bring another dud performance and homers will moan how great he is 

'if he were to have an all-star cast'.    How amazing his 'vision' in eyeing one receiver is, how amazingly 'accurate' his overthrow is, how bad our oline is when its glaringly obvious flacco has ZERO clue after 8 years where pressure is comming from, how amazing his step is to 'avoid traffic' under pressure and blame the fumble onto some lineman that seemingly is judged to be the worst in the league every year.   

 

Dak Prescott would top Flacco anyday, if Flacco was in Cowboys uniform.   Can you imagine what that 4th rounder would do if we gave him +5 years and stayed as patient as Flacco? We should have parted way with this guy after SB.   Paying him big did absolutely nothing to this franchise except hold us down and expect his 'greatness' to offset any financial cap restriction we put on ourselves.

 

No organization gives more support and patience and time in grooming a QB like Ravens organization.   If Flacco flops this year, trade him and let's move onto a new QB!

I agree. Maybe  Ozzie can talk Kyle Boller out of retirement.

[Ravenseconbeast]

19 hours ago, usmccharles said:

This right here is exactly what I love to read,  helps me remeber that I'm objective and a realist.   A rookie QB who hasn't ever taken a snap is better than a SB MVP... Love it.  

 

Not the first time I talked about upcoming QBs that surpassed Flacco's progression, certainly not the last.

[flynismo]

6 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Not the first time I talked about upcoming QBs that surpassed Flacco's progression, certainly not the last.

I agree, it won't be the last. Sooner or later, you're bound to be right if you keep repeating the same tired thing over and over again

[flynismo]

On 8/20/2016 at 2:47 PM, redrum52 said:

You're very late on this, but I'll go off of whats posted.  Objectively speaking, who has been out in a better situation?  Who has better FO, coaching staff and personnel?  If you had to look at game plans for each, who's been asked to do more with each team at each point in their career?  I think Luck's done a lot considering what he was asked to do, but that's no knock on Joe.  So similar situation to me would be, if you swap Peyton and Brady.  Brady probably doesn't have as many rings without BB and that team around him, and Peyton might have more.

No doubt Flacco has the better overall situation. I'm not sure I would say Luck is asked to do more just because his team isn't as balanced as ours though. Flacco isn't asked to throw 40+ times every week, but he is asked to make many big or critical plays every week (e.g. make as many, or nearly as many, splash plays as Luck, only he is given less opportunities to do so since we can actually run the ball). And come December/January, forget about it...our game plan changes and we put it all on Flacco.

Luck reminds me so much of Matt Ryan...yellow jacketed by the media before ever seeing a snap on an NFL field, one great season, and now a couple years into the same career trajectory (downward) as Ryan. Luck gets far too much credit and praise for doing so little in comparison...which would be a-okay by me if people weren't pissing on my boy Flacco in the process. My only reasons for that post was that people say things like "Indy is a four win team with Flacco there" and "Luck is the next great QB".  

I realize that we cannot directly compare Flacco and Luck due to the different teams...but we can compare what Luck did with what other QBs on his team did. A 2-5 record with Luck vs a 6-3 record with backups tells me that either Luck is not as good as people make him out to be...or Luck's supporting cast and defense is much better than given credit for...or both...

[flynismo]

On 8/20/2016 at 3:18 PM, Tank 92 said:

Where did he say he was over rated?  Another, different interview?

Yes, it was NFL Network. I remember it distinctly, because Heath Evans of all people gave Carr the stink eye and made counterpoints in defense of Flacco when Carr ranked Flacco the most overrated QB in the game. To which Carr then replied "well, yes, Flacco is someone who can make both lists, most underrated and overrated"

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Not the first time I talked about upcoming QBs that surpassed Flacco's progression, certainly not the last.

Congrats? The bad part is all your judging of QBs are relative.   Depends what you want to judge,  stats can be twisted.  Do you want someone who throws for 5k yards,  40tds? A 4:1 td/int ratio? Cool,  have at it... I'll take the guy who wins in the post season any day and I'd say that now matter what.  Peyton was great during the regular season... Got him 1sb..  Favre... 1sb....brees 1sb.  But hey... These up and coming QBs sure deliver.  I guess we should of trade Joe for Goff... I mean... He's up and coming... In theory.