[News] Eisenberg: 6 Thoughts From Ravens' Minicamp

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The offensive line is probably set. Turnovers are the word to watch. The draft class had an impressive week. Get ready for some interesting tight end combinations.

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[RavenzOz]

Looking at the team roster I can't help feeling like we're deep everywhere except ILB and S this year, touch wood the injury bug is past.

[CodeSpyder]

I think we're rolling the dice on the offensive line. Can a rookie left tackle, however high a draft pick, really be ready by the start of the season? Even Jonathan Ogden didn't play left tackle his first season. We have a QB with a serious knee injury on the mend and we don't want to subject him to a blind side hit. And what about the left guard position? Is Urschel the answer? Maybe try the rookie Alex Lewis? Questions remain.

[balfan23]

19 minutes ago, CodeSpyder said:

I think we're rolling the dice on the offensive line. Can a rookie left tackle, however high a draft pick, really be ready by the start of the season? Even Jonathan Ogden didn't play left tackle his first season. We have a QB with a serious knee injury on the mend and we don't want to subject him to a blind side hit. And what about the left guard position? Is Urschel the answer? Maybe try the rookie Alex Lewis? Questions remain.

Yeah, we're definitely pushing a lot of chips forward to bet on Stanley. However, Monroe has been a ghost and we've been trying to protect Joe with basically an undrafted player as a starting LT. I have to think we're going to be looking for depth for offensive tackle. Sure, whoever we can get is not going to be the kind of player we want to have to rely on, but with Monroe so completely unreliable, whoever we get for depth should be a better option than someone unable to play. 

[bioLarzen]

For those fans who thought on draft night - and maybe still think - that Ozzie should have gone for Tunsil: he is reported to have had a mediocre camp at most, getting most of his reps with the second team, although the Phins don't really have a stout LT ahead of him. Also, his coaches hinted at him having a hard time adjusting to the NFL level...

This is of course, way, way too early to know anything about where these guys are gonna be in the ir progress when Week #1 comes - but it looks evident that Stanley is off to a much better start than Tunsil...

Edited June 18, 2016 by bioLarzen

[balfan23]

I'd like to know if Correa running with the 1s more than the subs had him playing at OLB or ILB (as they said they've tried him at). Eisenberg didn't specify but only said "linebacker". It would not be surprising to see him out there with the 1s at OLB, with Suggs likely watching on the sidelines. I'm still not sure what we're planning for starting ILB next to Mosely.

[bioLarzen]

Just now, balfan23 said:

I'd like to know if Correa running with the 1s more than the subs had him playing at OLB or ILB (as they said they've tried him at). Eisenberg didn't specify but only said "linebacker". It would not be surprising to see him out there with the 1s at OLB, with Suggs likely watching on the sidelines. I'm still not sure what we're planning for starting ILB next to Mosely.

As far as we can know, they're trying to decide where he fits and can play best. I'd think they're gonna do it some more in August.

 

BTW, August... As things look now, we'll have quite a nice list of big names probably miss out on the pre-season games: Steve Smith, Suggs, Dumervil, maybe Flacco - and maybe more. Most of them will probably miss the games due more to precaution than necessity, so it's good news, as it allows some of our second/third stringers and rookies get more pre-seaosn game reps.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

15 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I'd like to know if Correa running with the 1s more than the subs had him playing at OLB or ILB (as they said they've tried him at). Eisenberg didn't specify but only said "linebacker". It would not be surprising to see him out there with the 1s at OLB, with Suggs likely watching on the sidelines. I'm still not sure what we're planning for starting ILB next to Mosely.

It would not surprise me to see the vacated ILB position (D. Smith) be a by committee approach, at least early in the season until someone really starts to emerge. A Brown most likely playing more often on running downs and Z. Smith on passing downs and pass rush situations. Both players are slightly better in different areas with no real clear leader, yet. Who knows though, Correa might be too good to keep off the field, and if Suggs is on the field sliding Correa to ILB might not be a bad idea. I remember saying he was pretty good in coverage even for a big body.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Looking at the team roster I can't help feeling like we're deep everywhere except ILB and S this year, touch wood the injury bug is past.

Looking at the team roster I can't help feeling like we're deep everywhere except ILB and S this year, touch wood the injury bug is past.

ILB there is maybe no clear starter, however there are bodies to play the position A McClellan, A Brown and Z Orr are the obvious choices but K Correa could be slide inside depending when Suggs is on the field.

Safety has Weedle, Web, Lewis, Elam, Brooks. Elam I think will be much improved since the last time he was able to take the field, due to biceps injury. Both Elam and Brooks will benefit from the knowledge and expertise of Weedle. Considering both players never really had a strong mentor to learn the position from and being safety is so key in the nfl today this should be a major positive for each player. Elam's biggest issue was the lack of consistency tackling which led to other issues. He definitely likes to play aggressive to the ball, which is great so long as you are not letting anyone behind you. Here's hoping he can find his confidence and return to his first rounder form.

[PalmBayRaven]

I think we're rolling the dice on the offensive line. Can a rookie left tackle, however high a draft pick, really be ready by the start of the season? Even Jonathan Ogden didn't play left tackle his first season. We have a QB with a serious knee injury on the mend and we don't want to subject him to a blind side hit. And what about the left guard position? Is Urschel the answer? Maybe try the rookie Alex Lewis? Questions remain.

Stanley is better than anything we have had the last few years. He is #6 overall. He is intelligent and athletic and will be just fine. Have a little faith. We will all soon enough.

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

For those fans who thought on draft night - and maybe still think - that Ozzie should have gone for Tunsil: he is reported to have had a mediocre camp at most, getting most of his reps with the second team, although the Phins don't really have a stout LT ahead of him. Also, his coaches hinted at him having a hard time adjusting to the NFL level...

This is of course, way, way too early to know anything about where these guys are gonna be in the ir progress when Week #1 comes - but it looks evident that Stanley is off to a much better start than Tunsil...

This does not surprise me coming from the type of an offense that Tunsil played in, in college.

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Looking at the team roster I can't help feeling like we're deep everywhere except ILB and S this year, touch wood the injury bug is past.

ILB there is maybe no clear starter, however there are bodies to play the position A McClellan, A Brown and Z Orr are the obvious choices but K Correa could be slide inside depending when Suggs is on the field.

Safety has Weedle, Web, Lewis, Elam, Brooks. Elam I think will be much improved since the last time he was able to take the field, due to biceps injury. Both Elam and Brooks will benefit from the knowledge and expertise of Weedle. Considering both players never really had a strong mentor to learn the position from and being safety is so key in the nfl today this should be a major positive for each player. Elam's biggest issue was the lack of consistency tackling which led to other issues. He definitely likes to play aggressive to the ball, which is great so long as you are not letting anyone behind you. Here's hoping he can find his confidence and return to his first rounder form.

Btw its weddle, not Weedle.

[Minionhunter]

For those fans who thought on draft night - and maybe still think - that Ozzie should have gone for Tunsil: he is reported to have had a mediocre camp at most, getting most of his reps with the second team, although the Phins don't really have a stout LT ahead of him. Also, his coaches hinted at him having a hard time adjusting to the NFL level...

This is of course, way, way too early to know anything about where these guys are gonna be in the ir progress when Week #1 comes - but it looks evident that Stanley is off to a much better start than Tunsil...

Where did you find this information? I would like to read up on that. I'm in the camp in that thought that the Ravens wouldn't take him due to the dv background, not the bong video. Plus his rampant injury history.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

That sounds great!
Can we beat the Bungles this year? How many games do we have to lose to them, before we figure out how to beat them? I hope we now have the right people to do it, because if they beat us the same way this year, the way they keep doing, I am looking at coaches, and specifically the DC. Lets get a good plan this year!

[Tiznut]

21 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

Where did you find this information? I would like to read up on that. I'm in the camp in that thought that the Ravens wouldn't take him due to the dv background, not the bong video. Plus his rampant injury history.

Dolphins OL Laremy Tunsil admits 'everything needs to get better' before training camp http://es.pn/1S8OglY

[Mad Puppy]

Uhh just to be clear Eisenberg with all do respect, but Harbaugh has lied about such things as Monroe's cut before. I truly believe that the Marijuana advocacy was on the minds of the team. It was not the only reason but it was absolutely the straw-that-broke-the-Tackles-back.

[b93333]

Monroe wasn't one of the best five offensive linemen?

[TheConquerorWorm]

5 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

10 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

For those fans who thought on draft night - and maybe still think - that Ozzie should have gone for Tunsil: he is reported to have had a mediocre camp at most, getting most of his reps with the second team, although the Phins don't really have a stout LT ahead of him. Also, his coaches hinted at him having a hard time adjusting to the NFL level...

This is of course, way, way too early to know anything about where these guys are gonna be in the ir progress when Week #1 comes - but it looks evident that Stanley is off to a much better start than Tunsil...

Where did you find this information? I would like to read up on that. I'm in the camp in that thought that the Ravens wouldn't take him due to the dv background, not the bong video. Plus his rampant injury history.

It was pretty apparent from anyone looking at game tape that he wasn't ready for the NFL. Ole Miss ran a spread option offense where o-linemen ONLY have to worry about the guy directly in front of them - there was NO protection schemes, no calls, etc. Yes, he has off the chart measurables but so did JaMarcus Russell.

Right now, he's currently backing up LG Thomas (PFF worst rated O-Lineman last year)

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/06/16/dolphins-rookie-laremy-tunsil-making-smooth-transition-to-guard/

 

Edited June 19, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[20306cab]

  17 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I'd like to know if Correa running with the 1s more than the subs had him playing at OLB or ILB (as they said they've tried him at). Eisenberg didn't specify but only said "linebacker". It would not be surprising to see him out there with the 1s at OLB, with Suggs likely watching on the sidelines. I'm still not sure what we're planning for starting ILB next to Mosely.

It would not surprise me to see the vacated ILB position (D. Smith) be a by committee approach, at least early in the season until someone really starts to emerge. A Brown most likely playing more often on running downs and Z. Smith on passing downs and pass rush situations. Both players are slightly better in different areas with no real clear leader, yet. Who knows though, Correa might be too good to keep off the field, and if Suggs is on the field sliding Correa to ILB might not be a bad idea. I remember saying he was pretty good in coverage even for a big body.

Z. Smith is strictly OLB. ILB starters will likely be Mosely and Orr, with McClellan and Brown fitting in there somewhere. However, Brown is going to have to show considerable improvement to get more playing time. That would be great, allowing Correa to get reps outside where he belongs, allowing the old men to rest some.

[Drinkmore Beer]

The Ravens can only keep 53, so which of the vets are are most likely to be cut? Has to come down to who's good on special teams.

[JimmyBlack]

19 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I'd like to know if Correa running with the 1s more than the subs had him playing at OLB or ILB (as they said they've tried him at). Eisenberg didn't specify but only said "linebacker". It would not be surprising to see him out there with the 1s at OLB, with Suggs likely watching on the sidelines. I'm still not sure what we're planning for starting ILB next to Mosely.

Having Correa shift roles is a typical Ravens defensive move that has panned out in the past with other players.  Some people are fixated on shifting to a 4-3 rather than a 3-4 to accommodate the addition of speedy young players.  It will be interesting to see how Mosely steps up his game now that he's the defensive captain and key player in the middle of the field.  The addition of Weddle running the secondary will help him immensely.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

The Ravens can only keep 53, so which of the vets are are most likely to be cut? Has to come down to who's good on special teams.

Don't forget that they can keep 10 more on the practice squad.

I think with the addition of Powers that guys like Will Davis and Kyle Arrington are on notice especially since the Ravens drafted Canaday and Young.

We have too many safeties so it might come down to Elam, Brooks, or Kendrick Lewis getting cut. My initial thought is Lewis. Elam and Brooks have had some injury issues though.

Too many wideouts as well and I think Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown, Chris Matthews, and possibly Michael Campanaro are all on the bubble.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

As of now I think the O-line is pretty set as long as everyone remains healthy the only real question mark will be LG. Seems like it is Urschel's job to lose at this point. If he can't handle it we're lucky to have a guy like Ryan Jensen who did a good job last season. We've also got Alex Lewis and possibly Vlad Ducasse.

The secondary is still a bit of concern for me. Have to hope Jimmy Smith is healthier than he was last season, that Wright wasn't just a one year wonder, and that Powers continues to be solid. Having Young or Canaday stepping up would be a nice bonus. I think Webb will play well at safety along with Weddle. Depth beyond that is a bit questionable because Brooks can't stay healthy and Elam has been a bust so far. As far as the turnovers go, can't really gauge that yet until the guys are actually playing for real.

I am also wondering just how well Dennis Pitta can hold up once contact starts. I'd really hate to see him injure that hip again. If he winds up making the roster that makes the TE position extremely crowded with Watson, Gillmore, Williams, and Waller. Boyle is out for 10 games and might get cut once he can come back. If Pitta makes it then the only way Waller makes it is by taking a WR spot and we're crowded there as well.

While it is nice to know these guys are having a good camp it is hard to take much stock in that. I guess it is better than them being completely horrendous but we won't know a whole lot more until they step on the field in pre season games. Contact and pads along with going up against actual NFL players as opposed to running around against coaches in shorts is quite a difference maker.

[Ravensfansince03]

I really don't like how they made a big deal because Elam made an interception, during drills smh. Really guys, this is our 1st round draft pick from years ago that couldn't perform. And they are dedicating an entire video to a interception he made Lol. How dumb do they think the fans are Lol.

[Ravensfansince03]

  2 hours ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

The Ravens can only keep 53, so which of the vets are are most likely to be cut? Has to come down to who's good on special teams.

Don't forget that they can keep 10 more on the practice squad.

I think with the addition of Powers that guys like Will Davis and Kyle Arrington are on notice especially since the Ravens drafted Canaday and Young.

We have too many safeties so it might come down to Elam, Brooks, or Kendrick Lewis getting cut. My initial thought is Lewis. Elam and Brooks have had some injury issues though.

Too many wideouts as well and I think Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown, Chris Matthews, and possibly Michael Campanaro are all on the bubble.

How Elam has made it this far without being cut, nobody knows. I wouldn't mind seeing Kendrick Lewis go as well, but I really dont want to see another Darian Stewart event. We signed Stewart from some team I can't remember, he didn't perform worth squat, we released him to the Broncos, then the guy turns into Ed Reed!!!! All the way to the SB!!!!! So yea, I want to see if this will be a break out year for K.Lewis

[Ravensfansince03]

So Darren Waller is really working as a TE now. This'll be very interesting.

This is NO LIE. In Madden 2011, I would find the perfect WR, tall, good hands, and fast, then turn them into a TE. It proved to be a brilliant move for me as one of my converted TE's made it into the Hall of Fame. I know its only a game, but I'm hoping the same concept apply's in real life. TE's have some of the best routes when it comes to getting in open space, so a guy at TE with WR speed it proved to be very valuable on those routes and it opened up space for other WR's.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

It was pretty apparent from anyone looking at game tape that he wasn't ready for the NFL. Ole Miss ran a spread option offense where o-linemen ONLY have to worry about the guy directly in front of them - there was NO protection schemes, no calls, etc. Yes, he has off the chart measurables but so did JaMarcus Russell.

Right now, he's currently backing up LG Thomas (PFF worst rated O-Lineman last year)

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/06/16/dolphins-rookie-laremy-tunsil-making-smooth-transition-to-guard/

 

We'd like you to revisit this post in week 6.

If you are saying Stanley is better than Tunsil and will outperform him this year, say it plain.  No equivocation.

I am stating our Front Office erred again and Stanley was a now common mistake and passing on Tunsil was a major Faux Pas. An inexcusable Faux Pas and when the results come in it should be a fatal Faux Pas.  A team CANNOT have a superior draft position and then select an inferior player. Not at Selection 6.  That cannot and will not stand without correction.  

[harfordravenfan]

3 minutes ago, Danny D said:

We'd like you to revisit this post in week 6.

If you are saying Stanley is better than Tunsil and will outperform him this year, say it plain.  No equivocation.

I am stating our Front Office erred again and Stanley was a now common mistake and passing on Tunsil was a major Faux Pas. An inexcusable Faux Pas and when the results come in it should be a fatal Faux Pas.  A team CANNOT have a superior draft position and then select an inferior player. Not at Selection 6.  That cannot and will not stand without correction.  

Time will tell, not just after 6 weeks but the next several years

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

3 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

As of now I think the O-line is pretty set as long as everyone remains healthy the only real question mark will be LG. Seems like it is Urschel's job to lose at this point. If he can't handle it we're lucky to have a guy like Ryan Jensen who did a good job last season. We've also got Alex Lewis and possibly Vlad Ducasse.

The secondary is still a bit of concern for me. Have to hope Jimmy Smith is healthier than he was last season, that Wright wasn't just a one year wonder, and that Powers continues to be solid. Having Young or Canaday stepping up would be a nice bonus. I think Webb will play well at safety along with Weddle. Depth beyond that is a bit questionable because Brooks can't stay healthy and Elam has been a bust so far. As far as the turnovers go, can't really gauge that yet until the guys are actually playing for real.

I am also wondering just how well Dennis Pitta can hold up once contact starts. I'd really hate to see him injure that hip again. If he winds up making the roster that makes the TE position extremely crowded with Watson, Gillmore, Williams, and Waller. Boyle is out for 10 games and might get cut once he can come back. If Pitta makes it then the only way Waller makes it is by taking a WR spot and we're crowded there as well.

While it is nice to know these guys are having a good camp it is hard to take much stock in that. I guess it is better than them being completely horrendous but we won't know a whole lot more until they step on the field in pre season games. Contact and pads along with going up against actual NFL players as opposed to running around against coaches in shorts is quite a difference maker.

Since we are talking TE and WE, I would simply see, after all the route running, getting off breaks, drops, blocking in run plays, etc, see who actually has chemistry with Joe. I have seen many decent players, not be able to handle his speed ball for a first down, only to see it bounce off the hands. We need reluability, tryst, and chemistry to determine who gets snaps with Joe, when bullets go live

[stixfix69]

With so much talent i wonder how many guys we protect via IR from stubbing their toe, especially at OLBer/Pass rusher, as we all know Suggs and Doom are at the back ends of their careers....