Are The Baltimore Ravens Turning Into An Offense-First Team?

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, berad said:

If he DID throw for 14 more yards in the 2014 season would it change your opinion about him?

No.  

 

Truth is, I've said for years the offense should run through him and he should have more authority than he seems to have.  It appears he's hand cuffed throughout the regular season and let loose in the playoffs.  Don't know own if it's play calling, him/team stepping their play up or all around mentality, but what they put on the field looks like a much different product come January.

 

I also misread the title, which was why I put the reading is a fundamental.  Just didn't feel like deleting the post so added to it.

[berad]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

No.  

 

Truth is, I've said for years the offense should run through him and he should have more authority than he seems to have.  It appears he's hand cuffed throughout the regular season and let loose in the playoffs.  Don't know own if it's play calling, him/team stepping their play up or all around mentality, but what they put on the field looks like a much different product come January.

 

I also misread the title, which was why I put the reading is a fundamental.  Just didn't feel like deleting the post so added to it.

Got it, and I agree to an extent. Joe has voiced multiple times that he wants to be aggressive in almost all situations, sometimes the offense is reigned back - either by an OC playing conservative, saving Joe from himself, or sticking to the gameplan.

Joe also has his own inconsistencies but I think those, too, are overblown and he is not as up and down as some say - relative to other NFL QBs.

Whatever the case, despite the criticism he gets, the Ravens aren't going to get rid of him any time soon.

In response to the thread, Harbaugh and Ozzie strive for balance. Ozzie always has, it's only been since we've had a QB that we've gotten any traction on the offensive end.

[redrum52]

7 minutes ago, berad said:

Got it, and I agree to an extent. Joe has voiced multiple times that he wants to be aggressive in almost all situations, sometimes the offense is reigned back - either by an OC playing conservative, saving Joe from himself, or sticking to the gameplan.

Joe also has his own inconsistencies but I think those, too, are overblown and he is not as up and down as some say - relative to other NFL QBs.

Whatever the case, despite the criticism he gets, the Ravens aren't going to get rid of him any time soon.

In response to the thread, Harbaugh and Ozzie strive for balance. Ozzie always has, it's only been since we've had a QB that we've gotten any traction on the offensive end.

About the aggressiveness, didn't they say last year they planned on attacking games more?  I swore they said something about giving them more flexibility,  but seemed that approach fell flat in pre season.

[harfordravenfan]

12 hours ago, Danny D said:

You are the first poster here that has stated missing on those draft picks has "set us back".  Youth and talent spring eternal. No horse trainer ever killed himself with a 2 year old colt in the barn.  (That is horse talk, hope the message comes through.)

You said it kind however. I'm wondering how long before the natives really get restless. Maybe the better question is, "will they ever"?

This thread was about the Ravens becoming an Offense First team. The pain is almost unbearable having just read the offense is no longer the Kubiak system, but now its the Raven system, meaning its the Trestman system.  I have to tell you, I have watched Marc Trestman very closely for a number of years and still can't believe we hired him. Who pushed for him?  Who thought he fit Raven football? Who thought he fit Joe Flacco?  What was it about Marc Trestman that made the Raven Front Office say, "We gotta have some"?

 

This native thinks the FO slam dunked the draft this year, so I'm not looking for any major changes yet.

Not extremely knowledgeable about trestman but this will surely be his year to prove himself. Plenty of offensive talent on the team at his disposal 

[berad]

8 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

About the aggressiveness, didn't they say last year they planned on attacking games more?  I swore they said something about giving them more flexibility,  but seemed that approach fell flat in pre season.

I liked a lot of the concepts they ran on offense. A good number of players got involved in the gameplans, multiple TE sets were used regularly, more creative route combinations, young players were involved and productive. For what it's worth, I thought they were aggressive,

Bearing in mind the fact that injuries took a serious toll on all positions on offense and we lacked somewhat in personnel (no deep threats, had to trade for one mid-season), I would give the offense a passing (har har) grade. Trestman got a lot out of what he could.

Those issues seem to have been resolved this year - added Wallace, Moore, Perriman's healthy *knock on wood*, more talent and depth across the board. Harbaugh and Trestman have stated their comfort and growth within the offense. It's the first time since the 2012 offseason that our players are not adjusting to a new OC.

Now, there are areas you can point to with uncertainty: recovery of key players (Joe, Steve), replacing OL veterans with unproven players, etc but the way the NFL works out, we might not even be considering that in October.

[Cillmatic]

The offense only improved SLIGHTLY this offseason, we're still a defense first team.

[trevorsteadman]

Wallace and Perriman getting healthy is the key to this offense exploding. If Perriman/Wallace can combine 1000 yards this offense will get back to 2011/2012 form offensively. Any running back of ours can thrive and make a great role for themselves if Perriman and Wallace can catch a couple deep balls a game. 

Those will be the main talk heading into next offseason. If Perriman and Wallace do not contribute as expected then it will be another 8-8 season. If they can catch a few balls a game downfield to open up the rest of the offense then the Ravens ceilling is probably 12-4. It also helps that this schedule is a lot more forgiving this time around than it was last season. NFC West and AFC West last season was brutal. 

[Winchester]

18 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

The offense only improved SLIGHTLY this offseason, we're still a defense first team.

If ravens are a team that believes its defense is the strength of the team then the ravens are not going to be contenders. There is not one player on defense that strikes fear in opponents. Unless players from this draft perform very well the ravens are going to call on its offense. There are no all pro defensive players. The ravens do have a franchise qb 2 young runnin backs with skills, an oline that should be dominant, a young talented TE and a fast athletic vet TE that can block. And young fast WRs with a veteran deep guy and SS.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

If ravens are a team that believes its defense is the strength of the team then the ravens are not going to be contenders. There is not one player on defense that strikes fear in opponents. Unless players from this draft perform very well the ravens are going to call on its offense. There are no all pro defensive players. The ravens do have a franchise qb 2 young runnin backs with skills, an oline that should be dominant, a young talented TE and a fast athletic vet TE that can block. And young fast WRs with a veteran deep guy and SS.

Not one defensive player? Lol. So I'm guessing you've talked to every team about how they'd game plan and what they worry about from the Ravens defense and they all said they aren't worried about Suggs, Doom or their ability to force bad passes that give weddle an opportunity to make a play. 

[ravensdan]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

If ravens are a team that believes its defense is the strength of the team then the ravens are not going to be contenders. There is not one player on defense that strikes fear in opponents. Unless players from this draft perform very well the ravens are going to call on its offense. There are no all pro defensive players. The ravens do have a franchise qb 2 young runnin backs with skills, an oline that should be dominant, a young talented TE and a fast athletic vet TE that can block. And young fast WRs with a veteran deep guy and SS.

Agreed 100% with the caveat BigJoe is 100%. Without him honestly the team is bad. I'm pretty shocked anyone thinks the D is better. At best all the young guys max out Suggs gets up to near full strength by mid season they aren't a liability. Man if KO and McPhee were here I'd feel a lot better about this team. 

[Guest]

On ‎6‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 10:52 AM, harfordravenfan said:

This native thinks the FO slam dunked the draft this year, so I'm not looking for any major changes yet.

Not extremely knowledgeable about trestman but this will surely be his year to prove himself. Plenty of offensive talent on the team at his disposal 

I'm not very certain about that....But I will say if we don't get at least a couple from this Draft to line up and play as studs on first team we are likely in for a world of hurt.

Edited June 30, 2016 by Danny D

[trevorsteadman]

I don't know why people would not think defense is the strength of the team.... The last 8 games last season they were the 2nd best defense behind Denver. That is without turnovers, without Suggs, and with every goon we could find on the street playing quarterback for us. 

Call me crazy but the Ravens did not lose anything defensively other than a good run defender. Add in Weddle and Powers. Getting Suggs back is the biggest key to this defense. No one, not even myself, realized what losing Suggs in week 1 meant to this team. It took another 7 weeks for the defense to get on track.

The offense will always have its strong games and the games they struggle. I think our defense will be very consistent and I believe a top 10 defense next season.

[Winchester]

Will Henry is going to be a total stud. Just needs to continue his work ethic he discovered about a year ago and refine techniques. But how many penetrators can run like a lb yet hold up 2 gaps like it is his natural position.