Kyle Juszczyk

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Honestly I would prefer Juice over Campanaro to hold a roster slot.  I understand its 2 different positions  but we are stacked at WR and RB not so much the FB position the main reason I said this is just because Camp  cant stay on the field. Juice can sure catch the ball and run with it plus he can block ok too. I want a guy who can contribute if they are going to take one of the 53 roster spots.

[Tru11]

juice seems pretty safe.

he is the lone FB , can block and plays special teams.
we already know he can catch to.

i dont see the team letting a player that versatile go tbh.

[K-Dog]

8 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Honestly I would prefer Juice over Campanaro to hold a roster slot.  I understand its 2 different positions  but we are stacked at WR and RB not so much the FB position the main reason I said this is just because Camp  cant stay on the field. Juice can sure catch the ball and run with it plus he can block ok too. I want a guy who can contribute if they are going to take one of the 53 roster spots.

Of the two it is a tough choice. 

Camp is really good,  but Juice edges him out with versatility and reliability. 

[OldToby]

Juice is a stud. Would be disappointed if he didn't make the final roster

[Guest]

Juice has good hands. Forty One catches is nothing to sneeze at, but he also has one move after catching a pass.  That move is to go immediately down. He was evaluated initially as a poor blocker, but bulked up and now is considered credible. We are not retaining him on blocking ability. Running with the ball is not his gig, they don't even ask him to do it, because as in pass catching he has one move after receiving the hand off and that is to go immediately down.

I believe his spot has to be in jeopardy.

 

 

[Halshayeji]

On June 17, 2016 at 5:30 PM, 757RavensFan said:

His stats from 2015:

Rushing: 2 attemps for 3 yds

Receiving: 41 catches, 321 yds, 4 TDs. 

It seemed like yesterday when juice said he wanted to double his catches and ease on the fumbles. Well 19-41 catches sure does it. Mad respect to juice and I hope he's on the roster for years to come. He's simply a baller! 

[Halshayeji]

On June 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM, rmw10 said:

I know I've beaten this horse to death, but since there's a thread about it now, I'll step in again.

I think he's likely to make the team, but not a 100% guarantee.  While he does carry value at his position and on ST, there are just a lot of guys vying for roster spots.  It's no indictment on Juice or his skill.  If he's gone, it would be purely out of not having enough roster spots.  I think he's still very likely to make the team, but I would hope he's at least on notice that it's no guarantee.

Great post!

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Danny D said:

Juice has good hands. Forty One catches is nothing to sneeze at, but he also has one move after catching a pass.  That move is to go immediately down. He was evaluated initially as a poor blocker, but bulked up and now is considered credible. We are not retaining him on blocking ability. Running with the ball is not his gig, they don't even ask him to do it, because as in pass catching he has one move after receiving the hand off and that is to go immediately down.

I believe his spot has to be in jeopardy.

 

 

 

Dag Dan!  Nobody can do right, can they?    lmao!

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

2 hours ago, Danny D said:

Juice has good hands. Forty One catches is nothing to sneeze at, but he also has one move after catching a pass.  That move is to go immediately down. He was evaluated initially as a poor blocker, but bulked up and now is considered credible. We are not retaining him on blocking ability. Running with the ball is not his gig, they don't even ask him to do it, because as in pass catching he has one move after receiving the hand off and that is to go immediately down.

I believe his spot has to be in jeopardy.

 

 

Juice makes plays and is a relief valve for Flacco. If given more opportunities Juice can be a very good weapon.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Dag Dan!  Nobody can do right, can they?    lmao!

I'll cop to having become a negative nancy.  If they prove me wrong, I won't complain, but don't anticipate it.

[ellicottraven]

With 3 really decent pass catching RBs in Dixon, Forsett and Allen and a plethora of big pass catching TEs in Pitta, Williams, Watson and Gillmore, I really don't see the need for a FB/TE hybrid on offensive run calls. So, the short answer is unless there is favoritism by the coaches (he's well liked by the coaches), he shouldn't make it to the 53 man roster. But, then again he is a pretty versatile player that can run block and pass defend and catch passes too, so who really knows how this roster is going to shake out?

[Tiznut]

Love how you have to claim he makes the team due to favoritism it really adds to the integrity of your post. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Tiznut said:

Love how you have to claim he makes the team due to favoritism it really adds to the integrity of your post. 

Well he did point out several legitimate reasons in that we already have several players that can offer the same skill set. 

He also points to his versatility as a reason he could make it. 

And there's some legitimacy to it. Juices ceiling in terms of utility isn't all that great as a FB. He doesn't run the ball and there's 5 players that offer more as a TE. 

Do you keep a player that's solid and versatile but with a limited ceiling over say a Reynolds, Camp, Waller, Boyle, Taliaferro, etc... Who may not be as effective now but have the potential to play big roles down the line, especially since there are other guys who can do a lot of what Juice does.

I agree that saying juice making the team would come down purely to favoritism is ridiculous... But there is credibility in the other supporting statements. 

I think the real question is if Maxx, Gillmore, Boyle, Watson or Taliaferro could play some downs as a blocking FB. If so, Juices roster spot may be a waste. 

But ultimately I think he's safe. Trestman has done well using traditional FBs in the past with the niners and bears for example.

[Tiznut]

Still doesn't negate the talk of favoritism and an attempt to downplay his skill set. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 6/17/2016 at 3:58 PM, Jacquouille said:

I just don't understand. People want to get back to a dominant running game, yet hesitate to keep a top3 FB. 

 

On 6/17/2016 at 4:08 PM, Ravensfan23 said:

 Trestman uses his RBs, TEs and HB far too much to cut Juice. He's not just a FB he's a weapon and you don't get rid of a weapon because of depth

 

On 6/17/2016 at 4:50 PM, Tank 92 said:

There's no one else on the roster with his skill set and he has been durable.  Why would he not make the team?  

I agree with all of these posts wholeheartedly.  It would make no sense to get rid of Juice.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

 

 

I agree with all of these posts wholeheartedly.  It would make no sense to get rid of Juice.

Let me say first, I do like Juice and think he'll make the team. 

But to play contrarian.... for everything he brings to the table, we have other players who do what he does. I mean we have 4 TEs who are going to be tough to get touches... So you could line Maxx or Watson up as an HB as a passing threat out of the backfield that can also block. I would imagine both are probably better pass catchers, though Juice may be a little quicker. But Dixon is supposed to be a stud catching out of the back field too.

In terms of blocking, again we have a number of TEs who are good at blocking, and you could always bring in another guard or a bigger back like Tali if you wanted to open a spot for a guy that can play another role in the offense as well.

And Juice is good on ST, but finding contributors on ST isnt the hardest thing in the world - though Harbs really values it so Juice has that going for him.

I guess my point is, I could see a logical scenario where Juice is cut. If you feel your TE's have enough versatility where you can use one or two of them to split up that FB/HB role between them, and youre looking at the end of your roster and its between Juice and Camp, Waller, Reynolds, Boyle, Taliaferro, West, Butler, etc... and you dont want to run the risk of losing a talented young player who may play a prominent role in your offense going forward; then you may take player a over Juice.

Juice does a lot of things really well, which is his greatest asset. But if you split each of those roles or traits up, and theres a guy already on the roster for each one of those roles or traits that can do it just as well if not better than Juice, than it may not make sense to keep him.

 

With that being said, I still think he makes it and will be happy when he does.

[K-Dog]

"JUICE.... It's good for you. "

[RavensFanMania]

50 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Let me say first, I do like Juice and think he'll make the team. 

But to play contrarian.... for everything he brings to the table, we have other players who do what he does. I mean we have 4 TEs who are going to be tough to get touches... So you could line Maxx or Watson up as an HB as a passing threat out of the backfield that can also block. I would imagine both are probably better pass catchers, though Juice may be a little quicker. But Dixon is supposed to be a stud catching out of the back field too.

In terms of blocking, again we have a number of TEs who are good at blocking, and you could always bring in another guard or a bigger back like Tali if you wanted to open a spot for a guy that can play another role in the offense as well.

And Juice is good on ST, but finding contributors on ST isnt the hardest thing in the world - though Harbs really values it so Juice has that going for him.

I guess my point is, I could see a logical scenario where Juice is cut. If you feel your TE's have enough versatility where you can use one or two of them to split up that FB/HB role between them, and youre looking at the end of your roster and its between Juice and Camp, Waller, Reynolds, Boyle, Taliaferro, West, Butler, etc... and you dont want to run the risk of losing a talented young player who may play a prominent role in your offense going forward; then you may take player a over Juice.

Juice does a lot of things really well, which is his greatest asset. But if you split each of those roles or traits up, and theres a guy already on the roster for each one of those roles or traits that can do it just as well if not better than Juice, than it may not make sense to keep him.

 

With that being said, I still think he makes it and will be happy when he does.

IMO, our TE's are not as good at blocking, nor would they become as good at blocking as Juice, thus our running game would suffer.  I'm definitely not saying it is a guarantee that he makes the team, but I'd say his probability of making the team is 65-70%. 

[RavensFanMania]

7 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

"JUICE.... It's good for you. "

what kind of juice

[rmw10]

It's all going to depend on whether they want a true lead blocker or not.  While you can flex a TE back into an HBack role, that doesn't necessarily cover someone running through a hole and laying a helmet on someone.  Receiving wise?  Replaceable.  Rushing wise?  Extremely replaceable.  Blocking wise? Who knows.  We might want a true lead blocker, or we might not.  Trestman's past rosters are certainly in Juice's benefit, but Trestman also loves TEs and we have ton of them.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's all going to depend on whether they want a true lead blocker or not.  While you can flex a TE back into an HBack role, that doesn't necessarily cover someone running through a hole and laying a helmet on someone.  Receiving wise?  Replaceable.  Rushing wise?  Extremely replaceable.  Blocking wise? Who knows.  We might want a true lead blocker, or we might not.  Trestman's past rosters are certainly in Juice's benefit, but Trestman also loves TEs and we have ton of them.

Yea, basically what i was trying to say.... just much more concise and easy to understand.

[Winchester]

Dare I say it the prototype fullback is the moron with the patsies now in a correction facility. He was being lined up next to Brady as often as te or out wide. 6'3 250 and a very good blocker,  He was like a big wr but very good after the catch. He could even run the ball like a big shifty running back. It would be cool to find a fullback with a similar skillset but not a complete moron. Juszczyk will make the team if ravens want a fullback cuz there is nobody else.

[D-Rey]

One thing no one seems to be bringing up is age. Would you really want to keep a injury prone Pitta (30) over Juice (25). Ben Watson is 35, how many more years is he going to play. You lose those guys and you have Crockett, Williams, and Boyle. I love all 3, but Williams (even though he is young) hasn't shown enough to depend on him in the future. Boyle has to prove he can stay out of trouble. There is no way I would release a proven and reliable versatile player like Juice with those future question marks. As for Waller, I'd probably through his on the PS to learn his new position.

[trevorsteadman]

If we run out of the I as much as we did last season Juice is an asset. His blocking helped both Forsett and Allen in a year the whole team struggled running the ball. Also he also got us yardage from a lot of short passes which ended up getting us several first downs.

To me when you look at Pitta he is more of a wide receiver than a tight end. He can't block as well as any of the other tight ends. I think Pitta is more in the conversation of being in the wide receiver competition than the tight end competition. Remember when he got his deal it was a huge deal that he would get paid more because he was playing more in the slot than a traditional tight end. 

To me Boyle is already gone. Yes he can stay on the roster because of his suspension for 10 games but I do not think the Ravens keep him unless injuries occur. 2 suspensions in a season and you are getting into Josh Gordon territory. Pitta and Waller are both battling out to convince the front office that they are worth a roster spot which I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta made it after the recent news so far, but I would be surprised if Waller made the 53 man roster because of his new transition. Pitta, some of the wide receivers like Campanaro and Butler, and West/Taliaferro are competing in my mind more than Pitta is with the tight ends.

To me Pitta and West lead that race as of today. If we hold 4 tight ends there is no way there are also 7 wide receivers. And that also probably means only 4 running backs including Juice. 

Edited June 20, 2016 by trevorsteadman

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

If we run out of the I as much as we did last season Juice is an asset. His blocking helped both Forsett and Allen in a year the whole team struggled running the ball. Also he also got us yardage from a lot of short passes which ended up getting us several first downs.

To me when you look at Pitta he is more of a wide receiver than a tight end. He can't block as well as any of the other tight ends. I think Pitta is more in the conversation of being in the wide receiver competition than the tight end competition. Remember when he got his deal it was a huge deal that he would get paid more because he was playing more in the slot than a traditional tight end. 

To me Boyle is already gone. Yes he can stay on the roster because of his suspension for 10 games but I do not think the Ravens keep him unless injuries occur. 2 suspensions in a season and you are getting into Josh Gordon territory. Pitta and Waller are both battling out to convince the front office that they are worth a roster spot which I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta made it after the recent news so far, but I would be surprised if Waller made the 53 man roster because of his new transition. Pitta, some of the wide receivers like Campanaro and Butler, and West/Taliaferro are competing in my mind more than Pitta is with the tight ends.

To me Pitta and West lead that race as of today. If we hold 4 tight ends there is no way there are also 7 tight ends. And that also probably means only 4 running backs including Juice. 

I'm assuming you mean 7 WRs besides if we got rid of Juice does that mean we ditching the double fake spinarooni flat pass dump play to Juice to open the game.

[trevorsteadman]

50 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

I'm assuming you mean 7 WRs besides if we got rid of Juice does that mean we ditching the double fake spinarooni flat pass dump play to Juice to open the game.

I meant wide receivers yes my bad typo I will fix that.

[trevorsteadman]

51 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

I'm assuming you mean 7 WRs besides if we got rid of Juice does that mean we ditching the double fake spinarooni flat pass dump play to Juice to open the game.

Yes the one that his girlfriend called to be the first play every game lmao

[Jacquouille]

I think in the red zone Juice is a very useful threat. He often gets forgotten by the defenses, and we could use a 3TE+1RB+Juice set. A play action with that comity would confuse the defenses, with TEs (Gilmore, Watson and Pitta for example) and a FB that are good blockers and very potent receivers, combined with a RB (probably Allen or Dixon) that can get the handoff or run a route and catch the ball in the flat. That could create a ton of possibilities and confuse the opponent and thus greatly raise our efficiency in the red zone.

 

Here is an example of a 4TE set used by the Pats in the red zone, following a similar logic, but I think one of the blocking TEs may be useless and Juice could prove an upgrade over a blocking TE:

 

http://www.syedschemes.com/ne4te/

 

You can also notice that the RB has a full corridor open in front of him, and that would be heaven for Dixon or Allen.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I think in the red zone Juice is a very useful threat. He often gets forgotten by the defenses, and we could use a 3TE+1RB+Juice set. A play action with that comity would confuse the defenses, with TEs (Gilmore, Watson and Pitta for example) and a FB that are good blockers and very potent receivers, combined with a RB (probably Allen or Dixon) that can get the handoff or run a route and catch the ball in the flat. That could create a ton of possibilities and confuse the opponent and thus greatly raise our efficiency in the red zone.

 

Here is an example of a 4TE set used by the Pats in the red zone, following a similar logic, but I think one of the blocking TEs may be useless and Juice could prove an upgrade over a blocking TE:

 

http://www.syedschemes.com/ne4te/

 

You can also notice that the RB has a full corridor open in front of him, and that would be heaven for Dixon or Allen.

Yea ive pointed to the Pats game against the Steelers where they used a 4TE formation several times to great success in the red zone. i think they got 3 TDs on 4 tries with it.

Pretty gnarly set to run especially with our deeper and more even TE group. We dont have a Gronk, but we have 4 TEs better than their second TE... and a FB that can catch. This would be a lethal red zone combo for sure.

[Jacquouille]

23 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea ive pointed to the Pats game against the Steelers where they used a 4TE formation several times to great success in the red zone. i think they got 3 TDs on 4 tries with it.

Pretty gnarly set to run especially with our deeper and more even TE group. We dont have a Gronk, but we have 4 TEs better than their second TE... and a FB that can catch. This would be a lethal red zone combo for sure.

4/4 actually. Granted, Pittsburg's defense is pretty lame, but I'll completely agree with you, apart from Gronk our group is much better than the Pats'. And Pitta and Gilmore have already proven to be Joe's favourite targets in the red zone. I'm also a fan of Waller so if we find a way to keep him in the 53 he could have a major role as a receiving TE.

Long story short, possibilities are endless. Good luck to our opponents against that offense.