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The more I hear about how well our receiving corps is doing the less and less I think there is a spot for Campanaro. If it were my choice, I would take a chance on the person who has the NCAA touchdown record and stays on the field than the 7th round pick who looks good but can't stay healthy. If Moore and Reynolds make the team, Perriman, SSS, Aiken and Wallace make it, there is no room for Camp and he may have already blew his chance to make the team by not being able to play yet this year.

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While I do think most of those guys will be great contributors in the future, is it realistic that all of our new additions are the most impressive?

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10 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

The more I hear about how well our receiving corps is doing the less and less I think there is a spot for Campanaro. If it were my choice, I would take a chance on the person who has the NCAA touchdown record and stays on the field than the 7th round pick who looks good but can't stay healthy. If Moore and Reynolds make the team, Perriman, SSS, Aiken and Wallace make it, there is no room for Camp and he may have already blew his chance to make the team by not being able to play yet this year.

There are other factors that will determine if Campanaro makes the team.  

- How many TE's do we keep?  With Pitta playing like old Pitta, I can easily see them keeping 4 TEs.  Watson, Pitta, Gilmore, M. Williams. 

- How man RB's do we keep? Barring injuries, Forsett, Allen, Dixon are definites. They say West is looking great, so they could easily keep 4 RBs?

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Here is how I see it shaking out on the "O" Side

Locks:
RB’s:
Justin Forsett, Buck Allen, and Kenneth Dixon

TE’s:
Benjamin Watson, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Pitta, Dennis (if he shows old Pitta) you only have two truly heathy TE's.

WR’s:
Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore

Special Teams:
Keenan Reynolds
Kaelin Clay
Darren Waller

PS:
Lorenzo Taliaferro, Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown

Cut:
Chris Matthews, Terrance West, Trent Richardson

?:
Michael Campanaro

Suspended:
Nick Boyle

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At this point, I think Trent is done, he cant stay healthy and the RB spot is too loaded with young talent. At this point I would not be surprised if Forsett isnt looking over his shoulder. I can see a Dixon, Allen, West backfield this season. Tali and West are about the same size but West can stay on the field longer.  Forsett is on the wrong size of 29 when RB are devalued at about the same rate a vehicle when it leaves the lot. Having a young group that can work together and have good catching skills will go a long way in the his vertical offense. Good to see the rookie from Cinci doing well. We could definitely use a speed guy if Perrimen can make the full season. Im still loving the idea of SSS, Wallace, Moore, and Perrimen on a shotgun set sometime this season. And please lets keep Waller over Boyle if the choice comes down to it. He is not as a liability with PEDs and he will be available immediately this season and he is a much more athletic specimen than Boyle.

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  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

The more I hear about how well our receiving corps is doing the less and less I think there is a spot for Campanaro. If it were my choice, I would take a chance on the person who has the NCAA touchdown record and stays on the field than the 7th round pick who looks good but can't stay healthy. If Moore and Reynolds make the team, Perriman, SSS, Aiken and Wallace make it, there is no room for Camp and he may have already blew his chance to make the team by not being able to play yet this year.

There are other factors that will determine if Campanaro makes the team.  

- How many TE's do we keep?  With Pitta playing like old Pitta, I can easily see them keeping 4 TEs.  Watson, Pitta, Gilmore, M. Williams. 

- How man RB's do we keep? Barring injuries, Forsett, Allen, Dixon are definites. They say West is looking great, so they could easily keep 4 RBs?

Health will be the main thing in regard to Campanaro making the team. If he can get healthy and stay on the field it will be an open competition between him, Kaelin Clay, and Keenan Reynolds for the KR/PR and probably last WR spot on the roster. Clay looks like a return specialist only so he's a bit behind the eight ball. Camp is a better WR and didn't seem to be as explosive on returns as Clay. We have to wait and see on Reynolds.

I can see the team carrying four tight ends, but usually only three are active on game day.

Teams usually only carry three active RB's and then a fourth on PS. I think going into training camp it is Forsett, Allen, and Dixon. West, Taliafero, and Richardson are all battling for a PS spot.

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At this point, I think Trent is done, he cant stay healthy and the RB spot is too loaded with young talent. At this point I would not be surprised if Forsett isnt looking over his shoulder. I can see a Dixon, Allen, West backfield this season. Tali and West are about the same size but West can stay on the field longer.  Forsett is on the wrong size of 29 when RB are devalued at about the same rate a vehicle when it leaves the lot. Having a young group that can work together and have good catching skills will go a long way in the his vertical offense. Good to see the rookie from Cinci doing well. We could definitely use a speed guy if Perrimen can make the full season. Im still loving the idea of SSS, Wallace, Moore, and Perrimen on a shotgun set sometime this season. And please lets keep Waller over Boyle if the choice comes down to it. He is not as a liability with PEDs and he will be available immediately this season and he is a much more athletic specimen than Boyle.

Forsett was never a feature back for any team prior to coming to the Ravens so he doesn't have the same mileage on the odometer as most age 30-ish running backs. He was signed to a very affordable deal and I think he's the starter this season unless he gets hurt again. The Ravens will then get some time to let Dixon and Allen develop and see if they have the makings of being bell cows. If they aren't quite ready or prove not to be the answer then the Ravens still have Forsett to go to. If one of the aforementioned guys step up, then Forsett can be cut and it won't hurt the cap too much.

Shame about Richardson. Hopefully he can get healthy enough to at least get on the field in pre season games and then if he doesn't make this team maybe some other team will give him a chance to resurrect his career. The odds are stacking up against him though. He busted his butt to get in shape for this opportunity so maybe that will convince some other team he's worthy of at least one more chance.

Boyle is already out for 10 games this season and it is strike two for him with PEDs. I think the Ravens cut ties with him once he gets back from suspension, but who knows. For now his roster spot is open for a good 10 weeks. I like the potential of Waller but we'll have to see what he can do on the field.

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How is it possible to like the Cavs and hate the Browns so much?

In a word, "Successsss," as Dexter would say from Dexter's Lab.

Funny how winning cures a lot of ailments. Then there is the "face of the franchise" argument.

Cavs: Lebron James.
Browns: Robert Griffin III AKA: RGme.

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Here is how I see it shaking out on the "O" Side

Locks:
RB’s:
Justin Forsett, Buck Allen, and Kenneth Dixon

TE’s:
Benjamin Watson, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Pitta, Dennis (if he shows old Pitta) you only have two truly heathy TE's.

WR’s:
Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore

Special Teams:
Keenan Reynolds
Kaelin Clay
Darren Waller

PS:
Lorenzo Taliaferro, Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown

Cut:
Chris Matthews, Terrance West, Trent Richardson

?:
Michael Campanaro

Suspended:
Nick Boyle

I don't see there being anyway that the Ravens can keep Reynolds, Clay, and Waller on the 53 man roster. I think Clay's only shot is if nobody else proves they can handle the return duties. Ravens are much more likely to keep Reynolds if he proves effective as a returner because he has much more potential. With Waller, I think it comes down to a numbers game...too many good TEs and WR looks pretty deep too...No doubt he has potential, but not sure the numbers will allow him a spot on the 53 man roster....But, I don't think he would last on our practice squad

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Dear BR.com, please, save this photo with Steve Smith and Suggs, so you can put it out again when both guiys are in Canton.

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Is it only me, or is it really happening? I mean, are the Ravens on track for a transformation the steelers have been through a couple of seasons ago - to turn a D-driven team into an O-driven team? With the arrival of Todd Haley and getting their hands on a couple of offensive gems - the likes of Antonio Brown and Bell - the steelers, who used to be synonymous with defense, now have one of the best O's in the world, and a mediocre D. I hope the latter will never be true about us - but I can't help noticing how this off-season Ozzie have been stacking up talent on the O side of the ball, giving Flacco an amount of quality targets he may never have had before. On the other side, the only notable addition to the D is Eric Weddle - who's as quality an addition as one gets - still, all in all, the O has been through a much more significant facelift.

So, what do you think? Are the Ravens turning into an O-driven team, too?

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5 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Is it only me, or is it really happening? I mean, are the Ravens on track for a transformation the steelers have been through a coupke of seasons ago - to turn a D-driven team into an O-driven team? With the arrival of Todd Haley and getting their hands on a couple of offensive gems - the likes of Antonio Brown and Bell - the steelers, who used to be synonymous with defense, now have one of the best O's in the world, and a mediocre D. I hope the latter will never be true about us - but I can't help noticing how this off-season Ozzie have been stacking up talent on the O side of the ball, giving Flacco an amount of quality targets he may never have had before. On the other side, the only notable addition to the D is Eric Weddle - who's as quality an addition as one gets - still, all in all, the O has been through a much more significant facelift.

So, what do you think? Are the Ravens turning into an O-driven team, too?

I think this would be a good topic in Ravens talk if you want to open it.

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2 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:



Here is how I see it shaking out on the "O" Side

Locks:
RB’s:
Justin Forsett, Buck Allen, and Kenneth Dixon

TE’s:
Benjamin Watson, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Pitta, Dennis (if he shows old Pitta) you only have two truly heathy TE's.

WR’s:
Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore

Special Teams:
Keenan Reynolds
Kaelin Clay
Darren Waller

PS:
Lorenzo Taliaferro, Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown

Cut:
Chris Matthews, Terrance West, Trent Richardson

?:
Michael Campanaro

Suspended:
Nick Boyle

 

Might be the case.

 

Two notes: if we keep Reynolds at primary kick returner, I don't think we'll keep Clay too. Clay has next to nothing to offer at his primary position (WR), and I think it's more valuable to keep another guy from the D on ST instead of him.

 

Also: Taliaferro may be very tricky to stash on the PS. Remember: to put a player on PS first he has to be cut and go through the waiver wire (or clear waivers) to become available to get him back on the PS. In other words, first the organization has to severe all ties with the player and make him a freely available free agent - at which point he's free to chose from any offers. So, if another team offers him, say, a #3 depth chart position, and a place on the 53-man roster, he may decide to go there and leave the Ravens behind. 

 

That said, it seems all but evident at this point that only one of the Dixon/West/Taliaferro/Richardson quartet will crack the final roster (with Forsett and Buck Allen as quasi-locks to make the 53), and we'll try to snatch one or two of them back to the PS, and release the remaining one or two - minus any injuries or ("injuries") that go to the IR. And as of now that third roster spot seems to belong to Dixon.

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1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

 

Might be the case.

 

Two notes: if we keep Reynolds at primary kick returner, I don't think we'll keep Clay too. Clay has next to nothing to offer at his primary position (WR), and I think it's more valuable to keep another guy from the D on ST instead of him.

 

Also: Taliaferro may be very tricky to stash on the PS. Remember: to put a player on PS first he has to be cut and go through the waiver wire (or clear waivers) to become available to get him back on the PS. In other words, first the organization has to severe all ties with the player and make him a freely available free agent - at which point he's free to chose from any offers. So, if another team offers him, say, a #3 depth chart position, and a place on the 53-man roster, he may decide to go there and leave the Ravens behind. 

 

That said, it seems all but evident at this point that only one of the Dixon/West/Taliaferro/Richardson quartet will crack the final roster (with Forsett and Buck Allen as quasi-locks to make the 53), and we'll try to snatch one or two of them back to the PS, and release the remaining one or two - minus any injuries or ("injuries") that go to the IR. And as of now that third roster spot seems to belong to Dixon.

Fixed it for you. 

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Here is how I see it shaking out on the "O" Side

Locks:
RB’s:
Justin Forsett, Buck Allen, and Kenneth Dixon

TE’s:
Benjamin Watson, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Pitta, Dennis (if he shows old Pitta) you only have two truly heathy TE's.

WR’s:
Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore

Special Teams:
Keenan Reynolds
Kaelin Clay
Darren Waller

PS:
Lorenzo Taliaferro, Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown

Cut:
Chris Matthews, Terrance West, Trent Richardson

?:
Michael Campanaro

Suspended:
Nick Boyle

The RB situation is precarious. All the backs we have are very similar smallish pass catching backs, none save mabye West or maybe Richardson are power backs, even then they have qualifier statements on how they would be a power back.

Assuming all perform well: It would surprise me if Forsett, Allen or Dixon were cut, something weird would have to happen and I just don't see it. Forsett because he has proven himself, a high quality leader and tough as nails and is cheap (even though he is not on a rookie deal). Allen because he will be given a second year crack at it. Dixon because he will get chances in his first year to get through conditioning next off season. He could have an injury and be red shirted though, but I think he makes it.

Taliaferro is like Fitz Toussant, goes down too quickly on first contact and he has a fumbling problem. I don't see him making the roster. I don't think he is a bad guy, just too similar with the disadvantage of slightly more down side to him than the others (except TR) so he will likely be eliminated.

West on the other hand is potentially the most interesting prospect we have at RB. The Ravens wanted to draft him and use his native son angle to get the best from him, but the Browns swooped in thinking they would screw the Ravens and took him instead. He was doing well to start but Pettine and crew didn't like it when he wanted to be lead back and platooned him with Crowell leading to problems for both. Then they cut him his second year due to attitude problems. He went to Jacksonville and had no motivation and was picked up by the Ravens when he went to their PS (?, I think, it is either that or they claimed him off waivers before he made it onto the PS). Form all reports on him I've read (twitter and the like from people around him at minicamp) plus over the break, he has been working like mad at putting on muscle, getting in crazy good shape, and his own statments indicate he is eating up the native son angle (meaning he is home, surrounded by a great support network and family, and using that as strength to work even harder). He is also being quiet and not saying much, just working. He knows, like TR, that this is may/could be his last shot (labeled as attitude problem and non-productive). I think will give the Ravens serious questions about keeping 4 running backs. All accounts have him doing very well. Its a nice story to root for this guy since he is a hometown product.

Trent Richardson - also interesting, he seems to be backing his words up about giving everything and really working with his actions. However he is getting older (for a RB) thought not too old. Coaches comments seem to agree with this too. So signs are positive. However him not working out like a fiend constantly for his whole career, instead seems he has really been after it only since the first talks with the Ravens, may be catching up to him with these injuries. Not his fault, just working so hard without long term conditioning may be taking its toll. This would be a really great story if he is able to pull himself up by his bootstrings and make the roster after his initial downfall. What really intrigues me is that he seems well managed psychologically by Harbs. Given limited appropriately warranted praise and positive support along with tough love honesty. I hope he can make it interesting by fighting thought this latest injury and keeping it going. What is the saying, always take a chance on another team's first round pick.

I wish all the RB we have the best of luck and good competition. I don't have bad feelings about any of them, all seem to be doing what they should for their own personal situations.

All of this assumes health of the RBs is OK, if someone goes down, depending who it is, a lot could change. I just like that we have so much good competition with the RB, WR and TE groups this year. It is always good to stack depth because injuries, like winter, are coming.

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3 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I think this would be a good topic in Ravens talk if you want to open it.

Why not?

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Is it only me, or is it really happening? I mean, are the Ravens on track for a transformation the steelers have been through a coupke of seasons ago - to turn a D-driven team into an O-driven team? With the arrival of Todd Haley and getting their hands on a couple of offensive gems - the likes of Antonio Brown and Bell - the steelers, who used to be synonymous with defense, now have one of the best O's in the world, and a mediocre D. I hope the latter will never be true about us - but I can't help noticing how this off-season Ozzie have been stacking up talent on the O side of the ball, giving Flacco an amount of quality targets he may never have had before. On the other side, the only notable addition to the D is Eric Weddle - who's as quality an addition as one gets - still, all in all, the O has been through a much more significant facelift.

So, what do you think? Are the Ravens turning into an O-driven team, too?

I think the FO is finally building the team around Joe Flacco, but I wouldn't expect a mediocre defense. We had one of the better defenses in the league in the second half of last season, and that was without Suggs, and Jimmy Smith was still pretty much in recovery mode. I think Ozzie made more additions to the offense simply because there were more holes there. The offense had no speed whatsoever besides Perriman, who has never played an NFL snap. We lost KO, and Monroe was not worth his contract, so we needed a LT. The defense didn't lose any significant pieces, and besides Weddle, we added a CB that will get significant playing time and possibly even start.

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Is it only me, or is it really happening? I mean, are the Ravens on track for a transformation the steelers have been through a couple of seasons ago - to turn a D-driven team into an O-driven team? With the arrival of Todd Haley and getting their hands on a couple of offensive gems - the likes of Antonio Brown and Bell - the steelers, who used to be synonymous with defense, now have one of the best O's in the world, and a mediocre D. I hope the latter will never be true about us - but I can't help noticing how this off-season Ozzie have been stacking up talent on the O side of the ball, giving Flacco an amount of quality targets he may never have had before. On the other side, the only notable addition to the D is Eric Weddle - who's as quality an addition as one gets - still, all in all, the O has been through a much more significant facelift.

So, what do you think? Are the Ravens turning into an O-driven team, too?

I think the D finished the season strong with the young bucks. Now it is time to get the O up to speed.

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Here is how I see it shaking out on the "O" Side

Locks:
RB’s:
Justin Forsett, Buck Allen, and Kenneth Dixon

TE’s:
Benjamin Watson, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Pitta, Dennis (if he shows old Pitta) you only have two truly heathy TE's.

WR’s:
Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore

Special Teams:
Keenan Reynolds
Kaelin Clay
Darren Waller

PS:
Lorenzo Taliaferro, Jeremy Butler, Daniel Brown

Cut:
Chris Matthews, Terrance West, Trent Richardson

?:
Michael Campanaro

Suspended:
Nick Boyle

Okay, lets start with the obvious. So we are keeping 4 backs, don't forget "Juice", 5 tight ends and 7 receivers. Add in 2 qbs and that only leaves room for 7 offensive linemen(25 offense + 25 defense + 3 special teams = 53, not a definite guideline, but its a good starting point when trying to guess a roster)

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but does anyone else think Forsett won't make the cut this season? I think it might be time for the younger players to take over that position. Last season he looked great when there was a big hole for him to go through, but seemed to get stopped at the line when there wasn't one.

I can't see the team keeping 5 tight ends. If everyone is healthy the question will be, how much can you trust Pitta's to not get injured again? Either they cut him, because the don't think he will stay healthy or Waller gets cut, goes on PS, or goes on IR for a minor injury.

We all know the four receivers that will definitely make the team(Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman), I think everything else is a question mark. There are reports that Moore looks good, but lets wait until pads are on. Scouting reports say he takes time to pick up speed and might struggle when a secondary player jams him at the line, Reynolds is only a special teams player and who knows if he can even do that. You have to remember this is all new to him and he might struggle with everything this season, and maybe next season we will se some progress. If the season were to start today I would say Camp and Butler were the two making the team. They both have shown that they can play in this league, but Camp can't stay healthy and unfortunately for Butler we probably won't have room for another possession receiver

Is Taliaferro even eligible to be on the practice squad?

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  17 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Is it only me, or is it really happening? I mean, are the Ravens on track for a transformation the steelers have been through a couple of seasons ago - to turn a D-driven team into an O-driven team? With the arrival of Todd Haley and getting their hands on a couple of offensive gems - the likes of Antonio Brown and Bell - the steelers, who used to be synonymous with defense, now have one of the best O's in the world, and a mediocre D. I hope the latter will never be true about us - but I can't help noticing how this off-season Ozzie have been stacking up talent on the O side of the ball, giving Flacco an amount of quality targets he may never have had before. On the other side, the only notable addition to the D is Eric Weddle - who's as quality an addition as one gets - still, all in all, the O has been through a much more significant facelift.

So, what do you think? Are the Ravens turning into an O-driven team, too?

I think the D finished the season strong with the young bucks. Now it is time to get the O up to speed.

Joe wants to throw more Passes, the league is gravitating to scoring more points and you can only pick up and pay, just so many stars. You just can't build up both sides of the ball in one year. I think our D is going to be fine anyway. They got stronger as the year progressed and I do believe we've added some young play makers. Powers sounds like he may be a gem for a FA pickup.
We just have to score more points than our opponents. We can either do that by having a great defense and keeping the other team from scoring or, we can score so many points, the other team can't catch up. I believe we'll find a happy medium this year, with the guys we got.

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If the Ravens keep only 3 RB's, they'll be Forsett, Allen, and Dixon -- unless Ravens cut Forsett, which I don't see happening, in which case I think 3rd spot goes to West. Juice is the FB. Reynolds is a lock, because he can be play special teams, returner, and receiver, while Clay is one-dimensional (though good at what he does). If Camp stays healthy, he makes the team. At TE, Waller is the odd man out if Pitta comes back. You just don't need 5 TE's.

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20 hours ago, runcontrol said:

Okay, lets start with the obvious. So we are keeping 4 backs, don't forget "Juice", 5 tight ends and 7 receivers. Add in 2 qbs and that only leaves room for 7 offensive linemen(25 offense + 25 defense + 3 special teams = 53, not a definite guideline, but its a good starting point when trying to guess a roster)

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but does anyone else think Forsett won't make the cut this season? I think it might be time for the younger players to take over that position. Last season he looked great when there was a big hole for him to go through, but seemed to get stopped at the line when there wasn't one.

I can't see the team keeping 5 tight ends. If everyone is healthy the question will be, how much can you trust Pitta's to not get injured again? Either they cut him, because the don't think he will stay healthy or Waller gets cut, goes on PS, or goes on IR for a minor injury.

We all know the four receivers that will definitely make the team(Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken, Breshad Perriman), I think everything else is a question mark. There are reports that Moore looks good, but lets wait until pads are on. Scouting reports say he takes time to pick up speed and might struggle when a secondary player jams him at the line, Reynolds is only a special teams player and who knows if he can even do that. You have to remember this is all new to him and he might struggle with everything this season, and maybe next season we will se some progress. If the season were to start today I would say Camp and Butler were the two making the team. They both have shown that they can play in this league, but Camp can't stay healthy and unfortunately for Butler we probably won't have room for another possession receiver

Is Taliaferro even eligible to be on the practice squad?

I think Moore is a lock you don't cut 4th round picks before the regular season especially the Ravens I believe the last 10 ish years their have been 2 rookies who were cut as rookies Myers the G from last year 6th rounder and the CB Marc Anthony several years back a 7th rounder I believe Reynolds will make the team leaving Camp out just to many injuries I like the guy tons but the best ability is  availability and that has not been Camp

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Week 1 Kufusi and Henry get a sack each. Correa gets a sack on a blitz. The young oline led by veteran Yanda dominates. Ron Stanley looks like a veteran technician and allows no pressure. Chris Moore Campanaro and Perriman have big games. Especially Chris Moore who racks up over 100 yards and a td. Dixon runs for 101 yards with 8 catches for 80 yards on route to over 400 yards of offense and 5 tds

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On 6/17/2016 at 7:45 PM, runcontrol said:

Is Taliaferro even eligible to be on the practice squad?

I just looked into this and according to the rules of the practice squad West, Richardson, and Taliafero are all ineligible for the practice squad.

The rule is that in order for a player to be eligible they have had to be on the active roster in less than 6 games. If they were active for more than 6 games then they have to have been on the 45 man active roster for less than 9 games.

That being the case, all of these guys blew their eligibility in their rookie seasons. Taliafero played in 13 games, West in 14 games, and Richardson 15 games.

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14 hours ago, Winchester said:

Week 1 Kufusi and Henry get a sack each. Correa gets a sack on a blitz. The young oline led by veteran Yanda dominates. Ron Stanley looks like a veteran technician and allows no pressure. Chris Moore Campanaro and Perriman have big games. Especially Chris Moore who racks up over 100 yards and a td. Dixon runs for 101 yards with 8 catches for 80 yards on route to over 400 yards of offense and 5 tds

Ok, who hacked your account? Jk

That would be a hell of a way to start the season for sure

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