Left Guard

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, 52liveforever said:

Personally I don't get why everyone is in such s hurry to rush Zuttah out of his spot. He's the best we have had since Birk. Urschel is NOT a center. He's a. Exceptional guard that I think can be a starter, but he just did not look good at center. 

he improved greatly by seasons end and i think he may one day be able to be a starting center, but it will take a lot of risky game reps to get there, not something most teams in the hunt are willing to do. hes got the IQ and the physicals needed, but he cant put the whole package together and execute the call-snap-assignment on every play.

[Winchester]

He has all of training camp and 4 preseason games this year. As opposed to being thrown in spur of moment last season. If he completely adjusts he will be one of the strongest if not the strongest centers in the league. And one of the more athletic centers as well. The payoff will be huge for allowing Urschel to adjust at center!! He is far stronger, younger and more athletic than zuttah.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he improved greatly by seasons end and i think he may one day be able to be a starting center, but it will take a lot of risky game reps to get there, not something most teams in the hunt are willing to do. hes got the IQ and the physicals needed, but he cant put the whole package together and execute the call-snap-assignment on every play.

 

Edited June 18, 2016 by Winchester

[52520Andrew]

I am optimistic with Jensen and Urschel although I am not quite sold on either. Trusting Castillo to make sure things are alright though. As of now, I think Jensen gets it.

[RaineV1]

I prefer Urschel at guard rather than center. He has the brain to be a center, but I worry about him matching up with nose tackles. And I just don't think he'd be an upgrade over Zuttah.

[Willbacker]

8 hours ago, Winchester said:

By weeks16-17 Urschel was playing very well at center once he adjusted to the snap. Harbs repeatedly talked how impressed he was with Urschels physicality. And Urschel put on about 10-12lbs of muscle this offseason but his play weight remains about 318 which means he leaned out as well. I like Urschel at center and he is an ascending talent. I'm confident he will be a top10 center by playoff time once he completes his aclimation there. Urschel was already a pretty strong player and now he tacked on 10-12lbs of muscle!! Urschel is an extremely hard worker in the gym and practice. If he plays center all year I would bet money with odds he is top10 by playoff time. Jensen I would bet on being a top10 guard by playoff time. He is quite a specimen. He is naturally country strong and as athletic as some left tackles. He looked more impressive than Yanda in the steeler and Cincy games. And graded VERY well in those games. Actually Urschel and Jensen are very strong and athletic specimens. And work very fanatically on their techniques. Wagner tacked on muscle and leaned out as well. If he returns to top form he could be even better than 2014. If Ron Stanley works on tacking on muscle as hard as his teammates and gets even a little stronger he should be one of the better tackles by playoff times. Thus the oline should be very dominant by playoff time fronting Stanley Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner. Jensen and Urschels best football is in front of them. Urschel and Jensen are stronger more athletic specimens than most of those top guards and centers listed in this thread. The only guard outside the top 6 in that list I would take in front of Jensen at guard is Collins. And Urschel will be a top 10 center at least by playoff time.

A lot of times I don't agree with you lol but this time I agree 100%. If Urschel can develop a reportore with Joe on the snaps I do believe he'd be an upgrade over Zuttah and who wouldn't want a genius making line calls and blocking adjustments. Jensen I believe graded better than Yanda in those games and we're talking about the best in the business. Wagner should be signed to an extension now unless according to CBA they have to play out rookie contract. I'd love to have one of those OLines that play together for 4-5 yrs and left to right Stanley,Jensen,Urschel,Yanda and Wagner could be dominant. We just gotta be leery of the Kool-Aid.

6 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

Personally I don't get why everyone is in such s hurry to rush Zuttah out of his spot. He's the best we have had since Birk. Urschel is NOT a center. He's a. Exceptional guard that I think can be a starter, but he just did not look good at center. 

Don't nessassarily agree that Urschel cannot be a center but it does make me wonder why they playing Jensen as 2nd team center. And not to get on ya but saying Zuttah is the best center since Birk is not saying much when you only comparing him to Gradkowski.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

He has all of training camp and 4 preseason games this year. As opposed to being thrown in spur of moment last season. If he completely adjusts he will be one of the strongest if not the strongest centers in the league. And one of the more athletic centers as well. The payoff will be huge for allowing Urschel to adjust at center!! He is far stronger, younger and more athletic than zuttah.

 

Pretty sure Urschel played center most of camp last year. 

And so far this offseason he's been getting most of the first team reps at LG. Jensens been the one getting reps at center. 

Seems like the team sees it the other way around - Urschel as a guard and Jensen at center. 

Edited June 18, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pretty sure Urschel played center most of camp last year. 

And so far this offseason he's been getting most of the first team reps at LG. Jensens been the one getting reps at center. 

Seems like the team sees it the other way around - Urschel as a guard and Jensen at center. 

I'm cool with that to. Yanda Urschel Jensen are the best and most physical interior players. And any way you can get the lined up is awesome if you ask me. Both are very strong physical players with athleticism to boot. However I would prefer Urschel at center and Jensen at guard but I'm fine with Jensen at center Urschel at guard. I don't have any idea where the idea came from that Urschel could struggle with nosetackles. He is about 320 lbs yet much leaner than most interior olineman. In fact, He may very well be the strongest center in the league if that is where he plays.

[757RavensFan]

45 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I'm cool with that to. Yanda Urschel Jensen are the best and most physical interior players. And any way you can get the lined up is awesome if you ask me. Both are very strong physical players with athleticism to boot. However I would prefer Urschel at center and Jensen at guard but I'm fine with Jensen at center Urschel at guard. I don't have any idea where the idea came from that Urschel could struggle with nosetackles. He is about 320 lbs yet much leaner than most interior olineman. In fact, He may very well be the strongest center in the league if that is where he plays.

Obviously the coaches see it differently since Zuttah is getting all of the reps at center during OTAs and mini-camp. 

[OldToby]

Urschel had 30 reps at the combine, but I haven't seen that translate into his play. With another offseason, this might just be the year he breaks out though. I still wouldn't put Urschel over Zuttah. When he is not injured he is an above average Center, that can get to the next level and move bodies. He can also play guard. His skillset is pretty important to this oline.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Obviously the coaches see it differently since Zuttah is getting all of the reps at center during OTAs and mini-camp. 

Give it time. When there is a vet starter in place, even when average Harbs is slow to notice and warm up to a more talented young player. It even took Webb time to win reps even when he was clearly the best when he played from day one.

[Wildabeast88]

On June 16, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Winchester said:

Ravens most dominant line-up was Jensen at left guard, Urschel at center and Yanda at rg. Harbs loved how physical the play was. Agressive maulers on the oline give the defensive lineman something to think about aside from making the tackle/sack

I agree that would be ideal from my perspective Urschel reminds me of Birk smart physical technician I like Jensen and Yanda is a beast. If Wagner returns to per injury form and Stanley plays relatively well our line will be top notch

[Jacquouille]

I don't know jack about OL, but if Yanda-Urschel-Jensen is our starting lineup and it works, I have to admit I'd be happy because it'd be one of the rare success we had in the recent drafts. That would be reassuring 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On June 16, 2016 at 10:07 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think urschel was the primary backup guard until jensen actually got playing time and played better. 

 

Also, urschel may never be a center. Some people just can't orchestrate, snap, and translate to blocking all at once, it's overwhelming. Personally I like ethan pocic a lot in the draft next year if we have a decent season, until then zuttah is our only real option it seems.

You might be right in Urschel never being a center... But looks like they view Urschel as the front runner for LG. 

Hes running with the 1st team offense at LG, while Jensen has been the center for the 2nd team. 

Of course there's a lot of time and all that can change. Maybe they're just experimenting with Jensen (though I believe that's primarily where he played his rookie and even 2nd year when not injured). But that would seem to indicate that they still like Urschels play at guard better than Jensen. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

You might be right in Urschel never being a center... But looks like they view Urschel as the front runner for LG. 

Hes running with the 1st team offense at LG, while Jensen has been the center for the 2nd team. 

Of course there's a lot of time and all that can change. Maybe they're just experimenting with Jensen (though I believe that's primarily where he played his rookie and even 2nd year when not injured). But that would seem to indicate that they still like Urschels play at guard better than Jensen. 

It also could have a lot to do with Stanley. Reports say that urschel is on Stanley like white on rice Because urschels genius extends to the playbook and he is able to really guide Stanley through the transition. So if urschel is taking Stanley under his wing then what better player to fill the void next to Stanley than the guy who he has chemistry with. If they are close in terms of performance than something like this would likely give urschel the edge over jensen.

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It also could have a lot to do with Stanley. Reports say that urschel is on Stanley like white on rice Because urschels genius extends to the playbook and he is able to really guide Stanley through the transition. So if urschel is taking Stanley under his wing then what better player to fill the void next to Stanley than the guy who he has chemistry with. If they are close in terms of performance than something like this would likely give urschel the edge over jensen.

I've seen this as well.  Apparently Stanley, Lewis, Urschel, and Hurst have become nearly inseparable off of the field.

Edited June 18, 2016 by rmw10

[Halshayeji]

On June 16, 2016 at 3:46 AM, allblackraven said:

I reckon Jensen will be LG, Urschel backup at LG and C.

I wouldn't mind bringing in Jahri Evans on a vet minimum deal, either.

Heck I wouldn't mind Evans on a 3 mil one year deal

[ellicottraven]

To me if Stanley is the consensus LT (what choice do the Ravens really have), then we need a really solid LG. While Urschel is serviceable, I don't think he's stout and a grazer like K.O was. Ryan Jensen showed great potential when K.O moved to tackle and graded really well towards the end of the season and could win the job. I don't know much about Ducasse although he's experienced. That leaves us Alex Lewis who has had rave reviews. I see him as the best LG prospect of the lot, but will need some time to grow into that role. So, hopefully through training camp, we'll know precisely who wins the LG job, but the situation is dicey to say the least.

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I've seen this as well.  Apparently Stanley, Lewis, Urschel, and Hurst have become nearly inseparable off of the field.

Where did you see that?

[Edgar]

Urschel's best position is right guard. I'd love to see us draft a truly great center.

Very interested to see Jensen at center. Perhaps he turns into that guy.

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Where did you see that?

Twitter, somewhere.  It was earlier this week, so I doubt I'll be able to find it now.

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Twitter, somewhere.  It was earlier this week, so I doubt I'll be able to find it now.

There is an Instagram photo of Urschel with Stanley and Lewis. It was in a LFW this week.

[Cawtious]

On ‎6‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 9:15 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pretty sure Urschel played center most of camp last year. 

And so far this offseason he's been getting most of the first team reps at LG. Jensens been the one getting reps at center. 

Seems like the team sees it the other way around - Urschel as a guard and Jensen at center. 

Jensen's pedigree includes most of his youth football and high school football at center.  The Ravens have placed him in various positions on the O-line since his arrival, including a brief stint at RT during camp of his second year.  His versatility is quite good, but I hope they let the young man settle at a position. 

If you watch his film at LG, you see he does a good job of getting out into space to block downfield, he adjusts and assists the LT and center well.  His intensity and fierceness is on display every game.  Early last year he had some struggles out of the gate in games that he started.  When you've not had consistent playing time, it takes a little adjustment to get on track.  Once he made that adjustment, he had some very dominant performances. 

I think the key to getting the best out of him is settling him in to a position and stop playing musical chairs with him.  Perhaps the stint at center during Mini-camp is to refresh him on the position, and for Urschel, the same holds true.  They both got snaps at the position they were not playing at the end of last year. 

Some think that mini- camp reflects the intended Game 1 roster.  I don't think anything has been settled yet with the center and LG position.  My personal feeling is the best O-line is Stanley-Jensen-Urschel-Yanda-Wagner.  A lot of practice and pre-season football to be played before the cement sets.

[ALPHA]

I came across this scouting report on Ryan Jensen by BR's Matt Miller:

 

Pass Protection 27/45

The Baltimore Ravens always do an outstanding job of drafting talent that fits their scheme, and Ryan Jensen is no exception. In 2013, the Ravens selected him in the sixth round out of Colorado State-Pueblo (Division II). He would spend his rookie season on the practice squad before being active for various parts of 2014 and starting in 2015.

Jensen is adept at setting and creating space, reaching his landmarks to maintain half-man leverage against defenders who like to attack his edge. He's good at switching up with a firm set and hovering around the line of scrimmage to deliver a powerful punch when on target.

Jensen is heavy-handed and uses his hands well to create the leverage needed in order to sink his hips and anchor. At times, he can be a bit too aggressive and often lunges forward, missing with his hands and allowing defenders to quickly swipe or push-pull him to the ground.

Run Blocking 33/45

In the run game, Jensen quickly gets off the ball to engage and knock defenders backward. He plays with a powerful base, which allows him to get push at the point of attack quickly and "sustain and strain" to power through stalemates.

Jensen shows the targeting and footwork to effectively rip and run to cut off the backside when the play goes away from him. He also does a nice job of pushing combo blocks and squaring his shoulders back up to block linebackers on the second level. 

While he still has some room to grow in this area, Jensen has shown promise as a mainstay blocker on the left side of the Ravens offensive line. 

Positional Value 7/7

Overall 67/97

[ALPHA]

and John Urschel:

Pass Protection 30/45

John Urschel is adequate as a pass protector, but he has limited range and athletic ability. He makes up for both with technique, leverage and positioning to hold off rushers.

As is the case with many NFL centers, Urschel shows the awareness and mental processing to point out any pressure looks he sees pre-snap and consistently works through the sort to pick up the most dangerous man of the pressure. His brand of pass protection is about using pre-snap information to make quick reads and adjustments, relying on technique to clean up after the snap.

Run Blocking 32/45

Urschel is a steady run-blocker who plays with leverage and just enough strength to consistently get the job done. He snaps and fires off the ball low when engaging, gaining inside hand placement to jolt defenders back and control them at the point of attack. He also plays with a good initial base that allows him to leverage and get under defenders, but at times he loses his base too easily and doesn't sustain to drive through stalemates or stay on blocks. 

Urschel plays with consistently solid footwork and hand placement and the proper targeting needed to reach nose tackles, although defenders who possess length and power often keep outside leverage on him. In many of these situations, the best solution for Urschel is extra help in the form of a combination block, which he is more than proficient at executing. 

Position Value 7/7

Overall 69/97

I don't put much stock into bleacherreport but they're his breakdowns are interesting, especially if you don't spend much time staring at linemen.

[Winchester]

I liked Jensen when he played the Steelers. As much as I liked KO Jensen can be just as good. Ravens will not miss ko

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I liked Jensen when he played the Steelers. As much as I liked KO Jensen can be just as good. Ravens will not miss ko

On January 9, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Winchester said:

If any players are given $$ before KO then that is prioritizing over KO. If KO walks the offense takes a huge step backwards!!

Hmmm...

Edited June 20, 2016 by rmw10

[Winchester]

19 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Hmmm...

The more I watch Jensen the more I say he could be all pro. Would not surprise me if he is better. Besides tackle was the idea behind retaining ko.

[Winchester]

21 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Outlandish posts and comments always stand out.  don't flatter yourself. 

You stated that KO was going to be the best O-Lineman in the league SO MANY times, you made it impossible for people to forget your comments. 

Now you say he won't be missed.  

What is so outlandish?? Anything that remotely suggests ravens made a bad move?? Allow me to clarify and elaborate. Ravens will not miss KO on the interior. Ravens could yet miss ko at tackle. I'm rooting for to not miss him but  Ron Stanley has to get stronger and prove himself. Ron Stanley tacks on 12-14 lbs of muscle the oline should be better. I would bet on it but Stanley has to prove it

[AnthonyGames]

I love Jensen at LG; he is a mauler. The best our O-line played last year was when we had Jensen at LG and KO at LT. Jensen has got into several skirmishes with teammates already this offseason, and it's not because he's a jerk, it's because he plays extremely physical and gritty at all times. I really like him and Yanda at guard. As for Urschel, I think he's the number one backup guard/center. If we have a guard or center miss time, he will fit in seamlessly. I believe Urschel is our future starting center. The center position needs to have a smart player there for audibles and reads, and, well, he's the smartest player in the NFL. I like Lewis a lot too; he's a tough tackle. I think he becomes our primary backup at tackle.

If Stanly can put together a solid rookie season I think Ozzie looks like a genius...again. Cut Monroe who we've had nothing but issues with, save money, and have our franchise LT - which one can argue is the most important position outside of QB and pass rusher.

 

[jazz1988]

On 6/20/2016 at 8:10 PM, Winchester said:

What is so outlandish?? Anything that remotely suggests ravens made a bad move?? Allow me to clarify and elaborate. Ravens will not miss KO on the interior. Ravens could yet miss ko at tackle. I'm rooting for to not miss him but  Ron Stanley has to get stronger and prove himself. Ron Stanley tacks on 12-14 lbs of muscle the oline should be better. I would bet on it but Stanley has to prove it

I don't think K.O played left tackle enough for The Ravens to miss him at that position.