2016 Mini-camp update post

[Kinda_Dante]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

We must now face the long dark of the offseason

The offseason is dark and full of terrors.

[jimmypowder]

Like my friend said ,Mini camp means nothing in terms of who impressed or not. 

Wait till the pads come on and the hitting begins to make any judgments on our new players. 

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

39 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Like my friend said ,Mini camp means nothing in terms of who impressed or not. 

Wait till the pads come on and the hitting begins to make any judgments on our new players. 

 

 

Well your friend and his saying can shove it.

Bc while i agree - i have nothing better to do right now. So, there.

[Ravensfan23]

27 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Like my friend said ,Mini camp means nothing in terms of who impressed or not. 

Wait till the pads come on and the hitting begins to make any judgments on our new players. 

 

 

just not true. I'm not saying you determine who are starters or who will have good seasons or not, but you can tell a lot about how impressive guys are or not without pads. A lot can be shown technique wise. Pads doesn't determine if a RB is staying on track with his blocker. Pads doesn't determine if a WR is smooth in his routes or needs work. Pads doesn't make a QB any more or less accurate. Pads doesn't stop a Safety from reading a QB and taking great angles to the ball. Pads don't stop the secondary from communicating and rallying to the ball.

I know what you are saying and I get it. You shouldn't get too hyped on practices held in shorts, but to say those practices mean nothing in terms of who impressed isn't accurate imo. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

just not true. I'm not saying you determine who are starters or who will have good seasons or not, but you can tell a lot about how impressive guys are or not without pads. A lot can be shown technique wise. Pads doesn't determine if a RB is staying on track with his blocker. Pads doesn't determine if a WR is smooth in his routes or needs work. Pads doesn't make a QB any more or less accurate. Pads doesn't stop a Safety from reading a QB and taking great angles to the ball. Pads don't stop the secondary from communicating and rallying to the ball.

I know what you are saying and I get it. You shouldn't get too hyped on practices held in shorts, but to say those practices mean nothing in terms of who impressed isn't accurate imo. 

This post was really disheartening for me.

Not bc of anything you said. But i looked at your avatar and realized you only have one more little circle than me, but like 4,000 more posts (more than double).

Im never gonna be a hall of famer. Starting to wonder if i should even keep going.

[Kinda_Dante]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

This post was really disheartening for me.

Not bc of anything you said. But i looked at your avatar and realized you only have one more little circle than me, but like 4,000 more posts (more than double).

Im never gonna be a hall of famer. Starting to wonder if i should even keep going.

From what I know all you have to do is reach 5,000 posts. You're more than half way there.

[Willbacker]

On ‎6‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 8:49 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

When did Hurst play well? I remember us surviving his play... but never him playing "well."

Not that its the gospel, but PFF had him rated like the worst tackle ever.

He played well in his 1st yr. He played poorly last year which gave KO the chance to play LT. Hurst just gets too much hate for him getting knocked into Joe which btw was Jensen's man but yet it was all Hurst's fault.

[K-Dog]

5 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

That's actually pretty huge news.

This really is pretty significant.
We now have a little more wiggle room in the roster.

I like it.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

He played well in his 1st yr. He played poorly last year which gave KO the chance to play LT. Hurst just gets too much hate for him getting knocked into Joe which btw was Jensen's man but yet it was all Hurst's fault.

Like Ravefan23 said, PFF isn't the gospel, but he was clearly the worst player who played on the line that year. He had a -24.9 grade

[ellicottraven]

On 6/21/2016 at 11:30 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Marlon Brown

Gone.

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Gone.

He stuck around for a very long time when he really shouldn't have.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 hours ago, Willbacker said:

He played well in his 1st yr. He played poorly last year which gave KO the chance to play LT. Hurst just gets too much hate for him getting knocked into Joe which btw was Jensen's man but yet it was all Hurst's fault.

He didnt play well his first year - i promise. Unless you mean it in relative terms like "he played well for a rookie UDFA forced into the starting line up in very big games..." then yea, i could maybe get behind using it in that way.

But, he was the worst player on the line that year of anyone who started a game. And by quite a margin. And then he regressed last year.

And Joe's injury has nothing to do with my not trusting him. Its not even a dislike. Its just that i dont trust him to play LT in a meaningful game. The whole leg thing was a complete accident. But he was a regular turnstile last year, and his rookie year maybe was a locked turnstile - but he was still easy to hop over and avoid having to pay a subway token.

Edited June 23, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Cawtious]

18 hours ago, Willbacker said:

He played well in his 1st yr. He played poorly last year which gave KO the chance to play LT. Hurst just gets too much hate for him getting knocked into Joe which btw was Jensen's man but yet it was all Hurst's fault.

Watch the film again.  Jensen was beaten inside on a stunt.  He recovered and knocked his man to the ground.  Hurst was walked back into and thrown into the man on the ground, and he fell into Flacco.  It was nobody's fault.  It's football. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Like Ravefan23 said, PFF isn't the gospel, but he was clearly the worst player who played on the line that year. He had a -24.9 grade

Hey - i think i said that. dont go around giving quote credit to other posters... i dont often say anything worth repeating, so i want this one.

Unless im wrong - then just totally ignore everything i just said so i dont have to be embarassed. too lazy to check.

[BmoreBird22]

29 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Hey - i think i said that. dont go around giving quote credit to other posters... i dont often say anything worth repeating, so i want this one.

Unless im wrong - then just totally ignore everything i just said so i dont have to be embarassed. too lazy to check.

You said it, he quoted you. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You said it, he quoted you. 

I was just messing man. didnt really care either way. Slow day......

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I was just messing man. didnt really care either way. Slow day......

Oh, I know, I just wasn't sure. Either way, it seems we're all in agreement that he was bad with the exception of one.

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He stuck around for a very long time when he really shouldn't have.

I think he was gone when we had a better replacement. As will Hurst if there is a better player that can replace him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

21 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

From what I know all you have to do is reach 5,000 posts. You're more than half way there.

Well thats exciting. Guess ill hang in there.

[rmw10]

Again, not strictly mini camp related, but Waller put on 15 pounds this offseason and is up to 260.  Impressive.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Again, not strictly mini camp related, but Waller put on 15 pounds this offseason and is up to 260.  Impressive.

Waller ate like I did

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

Waller ate like I did

You're old, you're allowed to eat that way

 

i dont int think there's room for Waller on this roster sadly

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

You're old, you're allowed to eat that way

Yeah, lost some speed, now getting in shape to play middle linebacker

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

You're old, you're allowed to eat that way

 

i dont int think there's room for Waller on this roster sadly

he is gonna hurt his ankle in a few months, just you watch.

[January J]

23 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

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23 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

 

 

On 6/17/2016 at 9:34 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea, which is why i dont get moving Daniel Brown to TE at all. Theres absolutely NO WAY either Waller or Brown has even a remote shot of making the roster as a TE. I mean Pitta probably will, but its no sure thing.

I think both would have a better shot making it at WR especially with Camp and Perriman out with injury questions and no guarantee theyll be ready for the season, reynolds just now learning the position, SSS injured and no timeline for return, etc... I mean right now at WR its Aiken, Wallace and Moore as the only guarantees.

So theres anywhere from 3-4 spots open hypothetically until all those guys get back on the field and prove theyll be ready for the start of the season. And the competition there with guys like Butler and Mathews isnt nearly as difficult as Watson, Gillmore, Maxx and Pitta. But maybe these are moves for next year and they plan on trying to stash one or both on the PS.

Its not really about them making it" as a tight end" though. Its about them making the Roster period. Label them whatever you want.. Tight end, Wide receiver, special teams gunner etc. Doesn't matter. If they can play the tight end position that Just gives us more options in the playbook and if injuries occur.  Waller and esp. Daniel brown would be looked at as more of Wrs anyway if that's what you want to label them..the versatility just gives them more chance of making the team.

[rmw10]

30 minutes ago, January J said:

 

 

Its not really about them making it" as a tight end" though. Its about them making the Roster period. Label them whatever you want.. Tight end, Wide receiver, special teams gunner etc. Doesn't matter. If they can play the tight end position that Just gives us more options in the playbook and if injuries occur.  Waller and esp. Daniel brown would be looked at as more of Wrs anyway if that's what you want to label them..the versatility just gives them more chance of making the team.

In a sense.  You obviously can't count them as strictly TEs, but I don't think you can look at them as serious WR options anymore, either.  I'm sure that if 1 of them makes it and is active, you could reasonably see them in the slot or split outside.  However, if injuries were to occur WR, you're suddenly looking outside of the organization to fill the WR hole.  You can't keep too much depth at one spot and not enough at another, no matter how similar the positions are.  Anthony Levine's S to CB to S transition kind of taught us that.

Edited June 28, 2016 by rmw10

[rmw10]

Another note on Waller - how does the added weight affect him?  He made his money on ST as a gunner.  While you don't often see 245 lb. men running downfield on the punt team, you definitely don't see 260 lb. men doing that.  I'd be curious to see if the added weight has affected his speed any and if he even remains an option for one of the gunner spots.  Typically, DBs and "normal sized" WRs handle those duties.

[berad]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Another note on Waller - how does the added weight affect him?  He made his money on ST as a gunner.  While you don't often see 245 lb. men running downfield on the punt team, you definitely don't see 260 lb. men doing that.  I'd be curious to see if the added weight has affected his speed any and if he even remains an option for one of the gunner spots.  Typically, DBs and "normal sized" WRs handle those duties.

Yeah he's a mystery. He's got a lanky frame so the extra weight might suit him, instead of being a string bean. You do have to wonder about the speed. Being so tall, he fits the archetype of being more fast than quick, which suits the gunner role. I think he keeps that aspect of his game.

I wonder if it has any effect on his physicality and blocking - those things seemed to be more influence by attitude than body type. He obviously needed the weight to fit in with the position but going from WR to TE is both a mental and physical shift. He does have his Georgia Tech pedigree and ST experience going for him, though.

[rmw10]

Just now, berad said:

Yeah he's a mystery. He's got a lanky frame so the extra weight might suit him, instead of being a string bean. You do have to wonder about the speed. Being so tall, he fits the archetype of being more fast than quick, which suits the gunner role. I think he keeps that aspect of his game.

I wonder if it has any effect on his physicality and blocking - those things seemed to be more influence by attitude than body type. He obviously needed the weight to fit in with the position but going from WR to TE is both a mental and physical shift. He does have his Georgia Tech pedigree and ST experience going for him, though.

Yeah it'll be interesting to see where he lines up on ST this year.  He could be more of an inside guy still.  Regardless, he certainly didn't have the prototypical frame for a gunner last year and made it work.  Maybe it works out for him again this year.  I am hoping for the guy, for what it's worth.  He's just in an interesting predicament with the depth at both positions.

[trevorsteadman]

20 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Another note on Waller - how does the added weight affect him?  He made his money on ST as a gunner.  While you don't often see 245 lb. men running downfield on the punt team, you definitely don't see 260 lb. men doing that.  I'd be curious to see if the added weight has affected his speed any and if he even remains an option for one of the gunner spots.  Typically, DBs and "normal sized" WRs handle those duties.

If it has no impact to his speed whatsoever that will be impressive. I also think that there would be an increased chance of 5 tight ends on the roster in that scenario. Not likely to happen but you can label Waller and Pitta tight ends or wide receivers. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens stuck with Waller because of special teams and upside. Pitta played mostly slot the last healthy season he had and he rarely blocks. 

 

Would be interesting to see because the Ravens are known for the special teams roots with Harbaugh's background and Rosburg's special teams that always seems to be top 3 in the league. Waller may be the Albert McClellan of the offense. Won't see too many snaps at tight end because of depth but will be huge in special teams.