Harbaugh and Practice

[Cillmatic]

I'm getting REAL tired of Harbaugh's crap when it comes to practice. First it was going too hard and almost destroying the locker room via a mutiny then it was trying to get around the pad rules, now it looks like he's pushing players too hard again(I.e Perriman). Enough is enough.

[donkeyking64]

It's actually kind of refreshing that someone is blaming Breshad Perriman's injury on someone other than the front office....

Kind of.

However, I can't be sold. Not because I'm defending Harbaugh, but because we don't really know how the injury occurred.

Don't forget, the knee goes when it goes. I can't go deep into the mechanics of the appendicular portion of the torso, but guys have gone down with NO contact. It's easy to say Harbaugh is at fault, or the front office was wrong to draft him, or Brett didn't learn how to take care of his body....but truth is that the knee operates on it's own set of rules and feelings.

[Sami84]

i agree. He's a nutcase and takes training way too far. The players have said it over the years that traning camp is brutal. For what? It wont make any difference with so much time from now until the season starts.

[rmw10]

It was non-contact on a fade route.  Stop trying to pin blame on anything other than an unfortunate injury.

[ravensdan]

34 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I'm getting REAL tired of Harbaugh's crap when it comes to practice. First it was going too hard and almost destroying the locker room via a mutiny then it was trying to get around the pad rules, now it looks like he's pushing players too hard again(I.e Perriman). Enough is enough.

What are you basing this comment about perrimans injury on?  Not only this case but I have never heard of an acl injury being attributed to going too hard. 

[Deflated Football]

Didn't Sizzle blow out an achilles in the past playing a pickup game of basketball? Damn Harbaugh

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

What are you basing this comment about perrimans injury on?  Not only this case but I have never heard of an acl injury being attributed to going too hard. 

Ligament injuries are usually just an unfortunate case of twisting awkwardly or cutting wrong. It's generally a freak injury.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Didn't Sizzle blow out an achilles in the past playing a pickup game of basketball? Damn Harbaugh

Lol. 

[K-Dog]

Stop. Please just stop.

[K-Dog]

This is football, not putt-putt golf.

It is an aggressive, physical, contact collision sport. 
People get hurt in OTA's, mini-camp, camp, pre season, regular season, post season, the Super Bowl, and even in the off season.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Didn't Sizzle blow out an achilles in the past playing a pickup game of basketball? Damn Harbaugh

 

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It was non-contact on a fade route.  Stop trying to pin blame on anything other than an unfortunate injury.

 

"He's a freaking nut though...". 

We're usually well disciplined and conditioned because Harbs works these peoples butts off. It's got to be one of the reasons we've had success. Perriman situation sucks, but you can't point the finger at anyone here. It'd be bullcrap. He got hurt.. It sucks. Nobody's fault though. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Do people live in a bubble? Do you not hear about every other team losing players to injuries during the offseason?

i mean the Jags lost Fowler last season and Ramsey got hurt this year. Man those Jags and their crazy practices! Oh wait, they purposely did mainly classroom work and light non-contact stuff and Ramsey still got hurt?? 

If we were going light and guys get hurt we'd be complaining that we're not preparing the guys right or getting them in good enough shape. Darned if they do, darned if they don't. 

Last year was crazy, so I get the sensitivity to injuries... But come on now. Over Harbs tenure we haven't been any more prone to injury than any other team.

And on that "mutiny" Pollard was the catalyst and he's never stuck with any team bc he starts stuff behind the scenes and doesn't get along with anyone. Vets don't like practicing hard, period. But young guys need it. Harbs is good about giving vets rest days.

SSS is the elder statesman of the team And goes harder than anyone in practice. No issues what so ever with "practicing too hard." If a, what 37 year old can do it and even go above and beyond that, then it's not too hard for a bunch of 20-something's. 

These are mainly freak injuries. We've had an unlucky streak no doubt. But it's misfortune, nothing else. Every team deals with it, the extent of which is largely up to chance. 

[usmccharles]

13 hours ago, Sami84 said:

i agree. He's a nutcase and takes training way too far. The players have said it over the years that traning camp is brutal. For what? It wont make any difference with so much time from now until the season starts.

 

Seriously man....You practice for a reason.  have you ever played sports? Practice sets a tone on how you play

[Jaybirds]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Do people live in a bubble? Do you not hear about every other team losing players to injuries during the offseason?

i mean the Jags lost Fowler last season and Ramsey got hurt this year. Man those Jags and their crazy practices! Oh wait, they purposely did mainly classroom work and light non-contact stuff and Ramsey still got hurt?? 

If we were going light and guys get hurt we'd be complaining that we're not preparing the guys right or getting them in good enough shape. Darned if they do, darned if they don't. 

Last year was crazy, so I get the sensitivity to injuries... But come on now. Over Harbs tenure we haven't been any more prone to injury than any other team.

And on that "mutiny" Pollard was the catalyst and he's never stuck with any team bc he starts stuff behind the scenes and doesn't get along with anyone. Vets don't like practicing hard, period. But young guys need it. Harbs is good about giving vets rest days.

SSS is the elder statesman of the team And goes harder than anyone in practice. No issues what so ever with "practicing too hard." If a, what 37 year old can do it and even go above and beyond that, then it's not too hard for a bunch of 20-something's. 

These are mainly freak injuries. We've had an unlucky streak no doubt. But it's misfortune, nothing else. Every team deals with it, the extent of which is largely up to chance. 

The last two years we've been more prone to injury than any other team.  Are we insisting that's just a coincidence?   Aging roster, really bad luck, etc.?   I have trouble believing that. 

Also, the 37 year old couldn't do it.  He was on the IR before the season ended.  

Edited June 13, 2016 by Jaybirds

[Sami84]

sure..not intensely 6 months before a relevent game..maybe a month or so..it makes NO difference except you're not putting your players at as much risk

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

sure..not intensely 6 months before a relevent game..maybe a month or so..it makes NO difference except you're not putting your players at as much risk

We are 3 months out.  So it should be a cake walk now, then a month before start killing them in practice? No.  You have to keep practicing the way you want to play, im sure its not a 100% right now....but it shouldn't be a breeze

When I played sports, I hated the two-a-days, our coached killed us.  But it made us better...but its just preference, agree to disagree

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

We are 3 months out.  So it should be a cake walk now, then a month before start killing them in practice? No.  You have to keep practicing the way you want to play, im sure its not a 100% right now....but it shouldn't be a breeze

When I played sports, I hated the two-a-days, our coached killed us.  But it made us better...but its just preference, agree to disagree

Well, actually, you're sorta agreeing.  If you insist the players aren't going 100% right now.... and he's saying players shouldn't be going 100% right now..... it looks like you're on the same page.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Well, actually, you're sorta agreeing.  If you insist the players aren't going 100% right now.... and he's saying players shouldn't be going 100% right now..... it looks like you're on the same page.

I think they should be pretty close to 100% going, I think the practices should be pretty intense.  Only way to get to 100% is to have pads...and we know how that goes

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think they should be pretty close to 100% going, I think the practices should be pretty intense.  Only way to get to 100% is to have pads...and we know how that goes

Okay, that makes more sense. 

But yeah.  Pads.  We've already shown the coaches want them to go 100% already. 

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Okay, that makes more sense. 

But yeah.  Pads.  We've already shown the coaches want them to go 100% already. 

I understand that its just preference.  But just from my experience, through all the sports ive played, myself and the team seemed to always perform better when getting beat down in practice.  Yea it sucks at the time, but when its late in the 4Q, you can really tell which teams are conditioned better, we won numerous games by just being in better shape.  Besides, are we just going to do walkthroughs every day....

It sucks that BP got injured, but it to blame the HC for players getting injured is just non sense, people are just looking for a reason to either justify the injury or someone to blame.  It sucks, but people need to get over it, how many teams does stuff like this affect? Almost every team.  Nelson, Fowler, White, Benjamin, BP- none made it to the regular season....it happens. Sadly, it happened two years in a row for us

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jaybirds]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I understand that its just preference.  But just from my experience, through all the sports ive played, myself and the team seemed to always perform better when getting beat down in practice.  Yea it sucks at the time, but when its late in the 4Q, you can really tell which teams are conditioned better, we won numerous games by just being in better shape.  Besides, are we just going to do walkthroughs every day....

It sucks that BP got injured, but it to blame the HC for players getting injured is just non sense, people are just looking for a reason to either justify the injury or someone to blame.  It sucks, but people need to get over it, how many teams does stuff like this affect? Almost every team.  Nelson, Fowler, White, Benjamin, BP- none made it to the regular season....it happens. Sadly, it happened two years in a row for us

I definitely 100% agree that you can tell who is conditioned better by the end of the game, that is consistent with my own experiences as well.  My concern is that the team with the most pulled/torn ligaments isn't well conditioned.   I've never seen an instance when that was the case. 

I do think there was some random luck involved in BP's injury.  I'm not saying that one is completely on the coaches.  But I'm seeing that this team has been more injured than most since 2014.  I'm not ready to say that's all just random bad luck.  I don't know how to assign responsibility for our complete record (aging vets, lack of conditioning, etc).   But I'm not ready to say the coaches had nothing to do with it.  They didn't bring in a conditioning coach this year for nothing. 

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I definitely 100% agree that you can tell who is conditioned better by the end of the game, that is consistent with my own experiences as well.  My concern is that the team with the most pulled/torn ligaments isn't well conditioned.   I've never seen an instance when that was the case. 

I do think there was some random luck involved in BP's injury.  I'm not saying that one is completely on the coaches.  But I'm seeing that this team has been more injured than most since 2014.  I'm not ready to say that's all just random bad luck.  I don't know how to assign responsibility for our complete record (aging vets, lack of conditioning, etc).   But I'm not ready to say the coaches had nothing to do with it.  They didn't bring in a conditioning coach this year for nothing. 

Understandable.  I don't think you can look at it as an overall situation, you have to look at the individuals because each player is different.  I mean, Joe has never missed a game, then a LT gets shoved into his knee.  Forsett gets thrown down like a ragdoll, breaks his arm, etc...I don't think you can practice not to get hurt, just like you cant play to not get hurt.

I find it odd they didn't have a conditioning coach prior

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jaybirds]

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Understandable.  I don't think you can look at it as an overall situation, you have to look at the individuals because each player is different.  I mean, Joe has never missed a game, then a LT gets shoved into his knee.  Forsett gets thrown down like a ragdoll, breaks his arm, etc...I don't think you can practice not to get hurt, just like you cant play to not get hurt.

I find it odd they didn't have a conditioning coach prior

Okay, that's fair. For the injuries that were nationally televised, I think we can figure out what happened.  And I really do understand that injuries are going to happen.  I'm just trying to figure out why they're happening to us more than others.  Leading the league in IR moves seems like a bad thing.  I see how going person by person makes some sense.  But I know they all have some things in common:  the facilities, the coaches, and the practice schedule.  So that seems like a reasonable place to start. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

Okay, that's fair. For the injuries that were nationally televised, I think we can figure out what happened.  And I really do understand that injuries are going to happen.  I'm just trying to figure out why they're happening to us more than others.  Leading the league in IR moves seems like a bad thing.  I see how going person by person makes some sense.  But I know they all have some things in common:  the facilities, the coaches, and the practice schedule.  So that seems like a reasonable place to start. 

Yea, there are definitely some constant variables.  Using BP's injury, it just doesn't seem like anything could have been done for him other than not moving.  Someone saying he was being pushed too hard, I mean he ran a fade from what I've read, not even a go route.  I think we can just agree that it just sucks overall. 

[Jaybirds]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, there are definitely some constant variables.  Using BP's injury, it just doesn't seem like anything could have been done for him other than not moving.  Someone saying he was being pushed too hard, I mean he ran a fade from what I've read, not even a go route.  I think we can just agree that it just sucks overall. 

The only thing I can think of was maybe he was hitting the weights too hard.  Maaaaaybe he was trying to add muscle to his legs or get stronger to make a good impression.  But not adding any flexibility put some strain on the ligaments.  That's entirely speculation, but it seems possible.  And I don't have any better guesses. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

The only thing I can think of was maybe he was hitting the weights too hard.  Maaaaaybe he was trying to add muscle to his legs or get stronger to make a good impression.  But not adding any flexibility put some strain on the ligaments.  That's entirely speculation, but it seems possible.  And I don't have any better guesses. 

I would put that on the trainer.  But I can definitely see him doing that and I wouldn't even fault him.  Its not like this is what he wanted. 

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I would put that on the trainer.  But I can definitely see him doing that and I wouldn't even fault him.  Its not like this is what he wanted. 

If it is true and I'm a great guesser, then I agree it's the trainer.  Come to think of it, the trainers/med staff could be a common theme. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

If it is true and I'm a great guesser, then I agree it's the trainer.  Come to think of it, the trainers/med staff could be a common theme. 

I would lean towards the training staff more so than the football coaches.  Its not like we blame the trainers for when a play goes wrong on the field. 

[Jaybirds]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I would lean towards the training staff more so than the football coaches.  Its not like we blame the trainers for when a play goes wrong on the field. 

I'm assuming the trainer staff is still under Harbaugh in the organization chart.  I could be wrong about that. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

I'm assuming the trainer staff is still under Harbaugh in the organization chart.  I could be wrong about that. 

Maybe time to switch up the training staff.  While we are at it, can we change up our WR scouts...please