Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[Sherly_Tebow]

This really sucks to hear. However, the only thing to do now is move forward and hope for a full recovery. The Ravens offense is full of weapons in the running back, Tight End, and WR cores. While this is a survivable hit, it does hurt. 

If the decision is made to trade for a WR and/or sign a free agent WR, who are some possibilities?

Boldin maybe, but he isn't what we need necessarily. Anyone?

This said, I still think the Ravens WR core is talented and deep, and can be effective without Breshad. There is a lot of potential.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Sherly_Tebow

[BmoreBird22]

It really is unfortunate that he tore two ligaments in two knees on non contact plays.

I heard that UPenn was trying to work on genomics to identify those who may be predisposed to being injury prone. Wonder if that would have prevented all of this for the Ravens.

I wish him a very speedy recovery and hope he does well.

The only silver lining is that he has yet to play, so the FO prepared as if he wasn't even here, so nothing changed too dramatically.

[Purple Punishment]

They did not prepare to not have him. 

[omar586]

calm down people dont forget our TE's 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not quite understanding what the question is here

I will defend Perriman's ceiling as much as the next guy but saying it screws over the entire offene's plans is ludicrous and blasphemy. He hasn't played a down. At all. Probably never will for us sadly. It hurts since he had actual talent. The offense still is in significantly better position than last season. Maxx and Crockett are another year developed, we added a threat in Watson, Wallace is a much better deep threat than Givens, we added some more depth at the WR position and a potential upgrade at RB and LT. 

 

I feel bad for Perriman but we are far more prepared than last time. It hurts, but this is survivable. I do subscribe to the notion that we should go get another veteran now just to give Flacco another reliable target(a Boldin), but this won't make or break our season. Quit complaining. He's never played. We don't even know if he's good. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I will defend Perriman's ceiling as much as the next guy but saying it screws over the entire offene's plans is ludicrous and blasphemy. He hasn't played a down. At all. Probably never will for us sadly. It hurts since he had actual talent. The offense still is in significantly better position than last season. Maxx and Crockett are another year developed, we added a threat in Watson, Wallace is a much better deep threat than Givens, we added some more depth at the WR position and a potential upgrade at RB and LT. 

 

I feel bad for Perriman but we are far more prepared than last time. It hurts, but this is survivable. I do subscribe to the notion that we should go get another veteran now just to give Flacco another reliable target(a Boldin), but this won't make or break our season. Quit complaining. He's never played. We don't even know if he's good. 

its a first round pick that may never see the field. players rarely come back from stretches like this, IF wallace is his old self and his shortcomings were truly all on his qb's, then yay, we have another straight line burner(who is getting older btw). doesnt change the fact that we have a first round pick at wr who unfortunately might never play a full season, that is very, very hard to recover from. 

 

i mean hell, look at how far back sergio kindle and matt elam have set this franchise, kindle was drafted what... 6 years ago? we are still feeling the sting from it. getting absoolutely nothing from a first round pick is very damaging to the short and long term of the team. we may be better offensively than a year ago, but really, thats not saying much, our LT was injured all year, our qb, top rb, and top wr went down halfway through the season, we better improve on that... but our offense still is only looking slightly above average and questionable due to age, when a guy like perriman could really push a decent offense into elite territory simply based on his presence.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

its a first round pick that may never see the field. players rarely come back from stretches like this, IF wallace is his old self and his shortcomings were truly all on his qb's, then yay, we have another straight line burner(who is getting older btw). doesnt change the fact that we have a first round pick at wr who unfortunately might never play a full season, that is very, very hard to recover from. 

 

i mean hell, look at how far back sergio kindle and matt elam have set this franchise, kindle was drafted what... 6 years ago? we are still feeling the sting from it. getting absoolutely nothing from a first round pick is very damaging to the short and long term of the team. we may be better offensively than a year ago, but really, thats not saying much, our LT was injured all year, our qb, top rb, and top wr went down halfway through the season, we better improve on that... but our offense still is only looking slightly above average and questionable due to age, when a guy like perriman could really push a decent offense into elite territory simply based on his presence.

 

lol. We are not feeling the sting from Kindle. Kindle is compareable to this but the franchise isn't suffering because of this. If you actually think that, it's hilarious. It's more of a nucianse if anything. Sure, it hurts but to say our WR corps is crappy is hilarious without Perriman. I will say it again, I don't give a damn if he's a 1st or 7th rounder. He's never played a down. It doesn't matter. We're suffering from Elam because it took us freaking forever to go get a safetyWe found Doom shortly after Kindle, and won a freaking Super Bowl after the kindle debacle. 

 

And no.. The whole offense suffers? With the the amount we are going to be focusing on the TEs in all likelihood(I mean.. We have the market cornered there), it lessens the sting a lot. If Chris Moore proves me wrong... Get this. We won't care. It'll sting but for it to be "utterly devastating" is foolish. Especially since(and I've always thought this) that Maxx was going to be the eventual recieving centerpiece. 

Most people thought that Perriman was only going to be a burner. And that was his floor. Guess what? We drafted a guy with literally that for his floor in Moore. The only thing I like of Chris Moore is that he gets open down the field and that he's big. His ceiling wasn't as high as Perriman's was as a prospect, but he might turn into a better player, and a decent offensive piece. 

 

And no.. We just have more weapons. Aiken is more developed and is a pretty good #3 WR. Wallace was with QBs who don't throw a deep ball. Even if the stat line isn't impressive, NFL defenses still have to respect his speed(which is still elite). Steve if he comes back is tough as nails,and we have three good TEs. Offense has more firepower because not only are we getting people back from injuries but we added more talent. And offense wasn't the problem the last season.. The defense was. 

[Tiznut]

Wait. How are we feeling the sting from kindle? 

 

Was as it the 12-4 record in 2010 with the 16.9ppg allowed 

 

was as it the 12-4 record in 2011 with the 16.6ppg allowed

Was it that pesky 2012 yr?

Or is it that you're suggesting we would have started to see him rise in 2013 and do better for the team than dumervil

 

mcphee in 2011 was probably as productive as we could have hoped for kindle to be in his second yr   

 

Sucks to to see picks like kindle, Cody, Elam on the defensive side not work out but with the exception of Elam the other misses have been absorbed by production from later picks along the front 7  

Side note  2005 was kinda disappointing with Clayton in the first and Cody in the second.  Ugh why did I look back that far

 

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

lol. We are not feeling the sting from Kindle. Kindle is compareable to this but the franchise isn't suffering because of this. If you actually think that, it's hilarious. It's more of a nucianse if anything. Sure, it hurts but to say our WR corps is crappy is hilarious without Perriman. I will say it again, I don't give a damn if he's a 1st or 7th rounder. He's never played a down. It doesn't matter. We're suffering from Elam because it took us freaking forever to go get a safetyWe found Doom shortly after Kindle, and won a freaking Super Bowl after the kindle debacle. 

 

And no.. The whole offense suffers? With the the amount we are going to be focusing on the TEs in all likelihood(I mean.. We have the market cornered there), it lessens the sting a lot. If Chris Moore proves me wrong... Get this. We won't care. It'll sting but for it to be "utterly devastating" is foolish. Especially since(and I've always thought this) that Maxx was going to be the eventual recieving centerpiece. 

Most people thought that Perriman was only going to be a burner. And that was his floor. Guess what? We drafted a guy with literally that for his floor in Moore. The only thing I like of Chris Moore is that he gets open down the field and that he's big. His ceiling wasn't as high as Perriman's was as a prospect, but he might turn into a better player, and a decent offensive piece. 

 

And no.. We just have more weapons. Aiken is more developed and is a pretty good #3 WR. Wallace was with QBs who don't throw a deep ball. Even if the stat line isn't impressive, NFL defenses still have to respect his speed(which is still elite). Steve if he comes back is tough as nails,and we have three good TEs. Offense has more firepower because not only are we getting people back from injuries but we added more talent. And offense wasn't the problem the last season.. The defense was. 

you think our wr corps is currently anything more than average? well im sorry, youre wrong. and yeah we found doom and won a super bowl after kindle, but whiffing on a top pick spent on a pass rusher, and look now, we desperately need a young pass rusher because every option we have there is either on the tail end of their career or a mid round project, youre looking at it very short sighted if you think signing dumervil and winning a super bowl means that whiffing on kindle isnt still hurting us, if sergio kindle never went stair-skiing and became a 10 sack per year guy for us, then suddenly we arent scratching our heads wondering "what if suggs doesnt recover? what if dumervil continues to decline as he ages? what if these young mid rounders dont pan out?". if elam pans out we dont blow cap space on kendrick lewis, and we would have a nice fat piece of salary cap remaining because we wouldnt have had to shell out so much for eric weddle because we so desperately needed an upgrade at safety. when you miss on top picks, it puts your team in a deficit, it makes you desperately reach to fill voids and make knee-jerk moves, sometimes it all works out, other times it straps your team in the future, we are dealing with the latter right now, no matter how you slice it. 

 

if elam pans out, we have a better cap situation due to no kendrick lewis and eric weddle and we wouldnt have blown a ridiculous amount of 4th quarter leads because a good safety would have been a huge difference maker. if kindle pans out, we probably get a WAY better player out of our 2nd round pick this year, i like correa but i think we could have done better there, and it felt like a kneejerk move to draft him because we were desperate for a pass rusher, we also dont completely fall apart from suggs getting injured again. hell, we missed on another top pick pass rusher in upshaw, who was a solid player but he was supposed to be a pass rusher and he wasnt, so theres another top pick who just walked for a pretty average contract while we are still searching for answers for the future of our pass rush.

 

whiffing on draft picks is a trickle down effect, and we will be feeling the sting of this for years to come, just like every other missed top pick. to say the team did fine in the short term, whatever, we won a super bowl and thats great and all, but this post-SB rebuild phase would have been a LOT easier had we not whiffed on so many top picks recently, hell we may have won ANOTHER super bowl had we made smarter picks, i mean just think if we had a fast young pass rusher like kindle should have been, and we stayed put at 29 in 2012 and took harrison smith rather than trading back for upshaw and taking keenan allen instead of elam the following year(a lot of us, me included, were clamoring for him)... do you think the patriots can pull off that comeback with harrison smith and a young explosive pass rusher and a young stud wr? do you think we are so incredibly disappointed at this injury if we already have a young stud wr on the team?  

 

i know im talking a lot of what ifs here, but i think you get the picture. its easy to say these things in hindsight and its something i preach on these boards all the time, BUT, that doesnt mean that whiffed top picks dont seriously set back your team. to say we arent still hurting from whiffing on kindle is just silly when you look at our pass rush, and when you look at the bigger picture, whiffing on kindle. cody, upshaw, elam, brown, and now it sadly appears perriman can be added to that list... thats a busted top pick in 4 of the past 6 years, and a busted 2nd pick in 2 of those years as well. high picks are what you build your team on, and we have very few top picks even on our roster let alone making an impact. not one of those guys took a meaningful snap last season, only 2 of them are going to be able to suit up for the ravens this year and both of those guys have been absolutely horrible on the field so far, the rest are gone or injured. that is very, very ugly when youre talking about the building blocks to a football team.

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Wait. How are we feeling the sting from kindle? 

 

Was as it the 12-4 record in 2010 with the 16.9ppg allowed 

 

was as it the 12-4 record in 2011 with the 16.6ppg allowed

Was it that pesky 2012 yr?

Or is it that you're suggesting we would have started to see him rise in 2013 and do better for the team than dumervil

 

mcphee in 2011 was probably as productive as we could have hoped for kindle to be in his second yr   

 

Sucks to to see picks like kindle, Cody, Elam on the defensive side not work out but with the exception of Elam the other misses have been absorbed by production from later picks along the front 7  

Side note  2005 was kinda disappointing with Clayton in the first and Cody in the second.  Ugh why did I look back that far

 

see the previous post.

[Tiznut]

So I understand you. You're suggesting that has kindle panned out we would have re-signed him and then picked a different player instead of a young pass rusher this yr?  

 

Again mcphee gave us the production we essentially wanted from kindle and we couldn't afford to re-sign him. 

But saying we did keep a productive kindle then we don't have dumervil (imo) and still have an aged Suggs on the other side that still requires us to take a pass rusher to prepare for Suggs' departure.  So no I don't buy your pov about not getting a pass rusher in the second. Especially with a gm who feels you could never have enough pass rushers. 

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

So I understand you. You're suggesting that has kindle panned out we would have re-signed him and then picked a different player instead of a young pass rusher this yr?  

 

Again mcphee gave us the production we essentially wanted from kindle and we couldn't afford to re-sign him. 

But saying we did keep a productive kindle then we don't have dumervil (imo) and still have an aged Suggs on the other side that still requires us to take a pass rusher to prepare for Suggs' departure.  So no I don't buy your pov about not getting a pass rusher in the second. Especially with a gm who feels you could never have enough pass rushers. 

so you say you can never have enough pass rushers, then gush over one young pass rusher as opposed to 2 young pass rushers... airtight logic.

 

then you suggest kindle panning out would have been a bad thing because we may not have signed dumervil(which i think we would have done under any circumstances, that fax fiasco is the stuff of ozzies dreams regardless of his current roster) and that having kindle and mcphee and dumervil and suggs all playing at a high level would have... a bad thing? having 2 of those young guys having 2 different contract years and being able to choose which one gets resigned, rather than having one guy explode in his contract year and play himself out of our price range, you prefer that 2nd option? 

 

saying "player X was a bust but player Y made up for that lost production so no harm no foul there" makes absolutely no sense, because that is 1 out of 2 players producing, player X being a high investment and player Y being a low investment, meaning we invested high and got nothing and then got lucky with a lower investment, so 2 draft picks producing at the rate of 1 player, and that is superior to each of those picks producing at a high rate? youre figuratively saying that 50% = 100% here.

Edited June 12, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[ravefan52]

We do really need to start hitting on our 1st rounders. The lack of young blue chip talent is very apparent and disappointing.

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

We do really need to start hitting on our 1st rounders. The lack of young blue chip talent is very apparent and disappointing.

but our first round wr being injured his whole career wont hurt at all since we signed mike wallace.

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

but our first round wr being injured his whole career wont hurt at all since we signed mike wallace.

Anybody who says not having BP doesnt hurt us is delusional.   Yes we don't know what he is,  but that's a first rounder not on the field, another player not contributing who was supposed to be a key player moving forward.  

I have a feeling this thread is going to turn South,  hard.   

[Cillmatic]

1.  Boldin time

2 without adding anyone our depth chart looks like this at the start of the season:

1. Aiken 2. Wallace 3. ???

pretty weak.

4. I feel like we suck again.

5. Either we add another good WR or this season goes nowhere.

6. I refuse to watch another year of bad WR's, Joe needs better.

7. We need to stop drafting WR's.

8 the locker row that was used by Suggs, Forsett, Perriman and Walker needs to be blown up.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Desert]

Time to move on.......

[usmccharles]

17 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

1.  Boldin time

2 without adding anyone our depth chart looks like this at the start of the season:

1. Aiken 2. Wallace 3. ???

pretty weak.

4. I feel like we suck again.

5. Either we add another good WR or this season goes nowhere.

6. I refuse to watch another year of bad WR's, Joe needs better.

7. We need to stop drafting WR's.

8 the locker row that was used by Suggs, Forsett, Perriman and Walker needs to be blown up.

1- SSr? 

4- I laughed out loud 

5- if this season was on BP's shoulders,  we already failed.  

7- I agree and disagree.   I don't think we should draft them that high.   I really wish we could figure out where the disconnect is in developing WRs.   I wonder if it is the development of the WRs or the talent of said WRs that is the issue.   

 

[jimmypowder]

The Ravens would have never picked up Wallace if they were really certain Perriman would be fine . 

Going down in a non contact drill justifies their concerns . 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

The Ravens would have never picked up Wallace if they were really certain Perriman would be fine . 

Going down in a non contact drill justifies their concerns . 

i dont think they are ever certain anymore, and i think signing wallace is more a statement on senior likely playing on a strict snap count and aiken being the next man up after perriman. 

 

fwiw, this injury is unrelated, and i dont think they were expecting lingering effects, i think the wallace move wouldve been made regardless, we werent looking to replace perrimans speed, we were looking to add another target period, because even with bp our wr corps is lackluster.

[jimmypowder]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont think they are ever certain anymore, and i think signing wallace is more a statement on senior likely playing on a strict snap count and aiken being the next man up after perriman. 

 

fwiw, this injury is unrelated, and i dont think they were expecting lingering effects, i think the wallace move wouldve been made regardless, we werent looking to replace perrimans speed, we were looking to add another target period, because even with bp our wr corps is lackluster.

Well like someone said here , it sure would be nice if Flacco had top tier receivers to throw to like the Steelers , Bengals 

[Tank 92]

Whoa!  While it is concerning that Perriman is down again(and I tend to agree may not ever pan out), it hardly spells the end of the season, or the demise of the WR corps. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

Whoa!  While it is concerning that Perriman is down again(and I tend to agree may not ever pan out), it hardly spells the end of the season, or the demise of the WR corps. 

You should know by now,  the season is over and our draft was a failure.   I mean,  it's already June.... 

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Whoa!  While it is concerning that Perriman is down again(and I tend to agree may not ever pan out), it hardly spells the end of the season, or the demise of the WR corps. 

It doesn't mean the end of the season but the demise of the wr corps is a realistic thought. We have next to nothing at wr come week 1. Aiken and Wallace? Boy how can I contain my excitement

[K-Dog]

I think we should just tank the rest of the season.

[sarcasm/]

[ratedr]

Hate to say it but this guy is officially a bust. 2 years without a first round pick on the field? There's no other conclusion to be drawn.

[jazz1988]

31 minutes ago, ratedr said:

Hate to say it but this guy is officially a bust. 2 years without a first round pick on the field? There's no other conclusion to be drawn.

It's suppose to take three years to to fully judge a drafted player so I wouldn't say Perriman Is a bust just yet. Honestly the guy still has a chance to play this season he own has a partially torn acl.

Edited June 12, 2016 by jazz1988

[Davesta]

Wish we would've drafted Tyler Boyd even more now ?

[Stevin]

KLM and Urban.  just remind...

Perriman will be playing in 17

[BmoreBird22]

The fact of the matter is Perriman was fairly raw coming out of college, but had the tools to really be great. I thought he was further ahead than most gave him credit for, but he had work to do.

Then, he tears his PCL and loses and entire season of development, setting him behind the eight ball, again.

Perriman was essentially a raw rookie who lost an entire year of development that he needed. There would have been some rust and a steeper learning curve because it sounds like he wasn't too concerned (rightfully so if he was that depressed) about football during that time.

If you're really thinking Perriman is the difference between being a great and an average receiving corp, you're naive. 

The Ravens picked up insurance in Mike Wallace and Benajamin Watson, drafted Chris Moore, and have Pitta coming back from injury.

I'm not gonna sit here and say that Wallace/Aiken is an elite duo or anything, but these moves clearly show the front office was not going to rely on one player and get burned by it again, like they would have had they not made those moves. The FO clearly prepared like he wasn't here, so they weren't expecting him to blow this offense through the roof and neither should you.