Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[RavensFanMania]

8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ive heard and repeated 2-4 months is the typical timetable. Not sure if thats what youre thinking or maybe saw the same source as me (i just looked on google for typical time for that injury with stem cell injections)... but 2-4 weeks??? Id like to see that source.

per Schefter on Rotoworld

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Breshad Perriman did not suffer a torn ACL and should be fine for the regular season.

Optimism has been building since Monday when renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews determined Perriman did not suffer a significant tear. Perriman underwent arthroscopic surgery on Tuesday and was also given a stem cell injection. Reconstructive surgery, which had been a possibility for Perriman, is no longer being considered. This is obviously great news for Baltimore, though Perriman remains completely unproven after missing his entire rookie year with a PCL injury. Players usually recover from knee scopes in 2-4 weeks, which puts Perriman on track to return sometime around the start of training camp next month.

Edited June 14, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[Jacquouille]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

True!!!

Ravens way would have been: "Okay, maybe he kinda bruised his right knee, or was it the left?" then "Oh my, it's a big bruise, it might take a few days to recover" and then "Ah right, there's also this ACL kind of stuff" and then "BP is preparing to comeback as strong as ever in 2 seasons"

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

I didn't think Sr. even had a timetable to return yet?

he doesn't, but I'm being optimistic he will be ready by week 1.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

So if he hasn't torn his acl, what is it that has actually happened? A sprain?

Well, a sprain is a tear, it's just the degree to which it is torn.

The ACL has two bands to it and if only one suffered a sprain, it's entirely possible for the knee to remain stable. 

[arnie_uk]

So is this the same injury as last except it's an acl opposed to mcl last year?

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, arnie_uk said:

So is this the same injury as last except it's an acl opposed to mcl last year?

It was the PCL last year and if it is a sprain then yes. Luckily there is way more research on the ACL than the PCL so it should be easier to predict (knock on wood)

[Jacquouille]

Just now, arnie_uk said:

So is this the same injury as last except it's an acl opposed to mcl last year?

No, I think he completely tore his PCL, while here it's apparently a minor tear. I'd guess it's a really small tear, given how fragile the ACL is, if it was like just a part of the ACL that tore that would be season ending. I don't have any degree, that's just how I understand it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

per Schefter on Rotoworld

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Breshad Perriman did not suffer a torn ACL and should be fine for the regular season.

Optimism has been building since Monday when renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews determined Perriman did not suffer a significant tear. Perriman underwent arthroscopic surgery on Tuesday and was also given a stem cell injection. Reconstructive surgery, which had been a possibility for Perriman, is no longer being considered. This is obviously great news for Baltimore, though Perriman remains completely unproven after missing his entire rookie year with a PCL injury. Players usually recover from knee scopes in 2-4 weeks, which puts Perriman on track to return sometime around the start of training camp next month.

But i thought this was more than just a knee scope. Partial tear and stem cell injections. IDK if that counts as same thing, or if we're missing something here.

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

But i thought this was more than just a knee scope. Partial tear and stem cell injections. IDK if that counts as same thing, or if we're missing something here.

I'm only the messenger here

[BmoreBird22]

56 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Yeah, where do they get the stem cells from? fat? bone marrow?

Stem cells can be harvested from embryo (with the ability to be ANY cell in the adult body) or from an adult body, but there are limitations in what those cells can develop into. Adult stem cells are called somatic stem cells and often just come from various tissues. Many somatic are unipotent and may just come from another doner.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stem cells can be harvested from embryo (with the ability to be ANY cell in the adult body) or from an adult body, but there are limitations in what those cells can develop into. Adult stem cells are called somatic stem cells and often just come from various tissues. Many somatic are unipotent and may just come from another doner.

Dr. BmoreBird22 

[berad]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stem cells can be harvested from embryo (with the ability to be ANY cell in the adult body) or from an adult body, but there are limitations in what those cells can develop into. Adult stem cells are called somatic stem cells and often just come from various tissues. Many somatic are unipotent and may just come from another doner.

Don't know if you actually have a professional/educational interest in medicine but this made me laugh because I know I've delved deep into random subjects - law, physics, statistics - just to make a point or become more educated on a Ravens-related topic. Thank you for the good information.

[jimmypowder]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Acl tends to be a non contact or minimal contact injury, along with most knee and ankle injuries. 

 

Contact isn't a worry, the guys built like a linebacker, the issue is with that size to speed ratio he is vulnerable to playing with less control, thus vulnerable to non contact injuries.

Tell that to Joe Flacco. 

[ludy51]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Tell that to Joe Flacco. 

Let me get him on the phone real quick...

[Daft Classic]

26 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Just being on the field is a plus.  I don't think he would have started the season as a #2 receiver.  I have Smith and Aiken starting and Perriman a number 3 whom would likely take over a starter roll in season.  Now without training camp it could take a bit longer.  I still have a lot of hope and was one of the members that was happy with the pick. 

I always had Wallace being ahead of Perriman just because of veteran experience. I also believe Perriman supplants him with relative ease if he can get going

[BmoreBird22]

15 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Dr. BmoreBird22 

 

11 minutes ago, berad said:

Don't know if you actually have a professional/educational interest in medicine but this made me laugh because I know I've delved deep into random subjects - law, physics, statistics - just to make a point or become more educated on a Ravens-related topic. Thank you for the good information.

So, I actually wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon for several years and throughout high school, any time I had a research paper, I'd do something medical. One was advocating for the use of embryionic stem cells, which is highly controversial, but what I deemed necessary.

I then got done with my biochemistry degree in two years and decided I had no desire to go to medical school for four years of extremely rigorous schooling, but I still have a very genuine interest in anatomy.

[DenverRaven]

Just now, Daft Classic said:

I always had Wallace being ahead of Perriman just because of veteran experience. I also believe Perriman supplants him with relative ease if he can get going

Yeah, this is how I've always seen it too, and it makes sense that Perriman would start more as a decoy rather than trying to be a legit #1/2. He's going to need to time with Joe to build up those reps and chemistry. That said, he's pretty valuable in that role alone, while it also allows him to start building up his own game for the future.

[RavensFanMania]

38 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Tell that to Joe Flacco. 

He said the acl tends to be a non contact injury, which is true.  He didn't say that is how it happens all the time.  There are still acl injuries with contract, but in many many cases, they are non contact related.

[JoeyFlex5]

58 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stem cells can be harvested from embryo (with the ability to be ANY cell in the adult body) or from an adult body, but there are limitations in what those cells can develop into. Adult stem cells are called somatic stem cells and often just come from various tissues. Many somatic are unipotent and may just come from another doner.

According to South park stem cells can be used to build a 2nd shakys pizza franchise.

[RavensFanMania]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

According to South park stem cells can be used to build a 2nd shakys pizza franchise.

I miss Shaky's Pizza

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Tell that to Joe Flacco. 

Or we can take the perriman example where it was a non contact injury, since we're on the perriman subject already. Or both of Webb's acls(one had contact but it was very indirect) Or jordy nelson, Or just a large portion of them in general. If someone could dig up some kind of chart or statistic of nfl acl tears that are non contact or very indirect contact that would be a neat read.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stem cells can be harvested from embryo (with the ability to be ANY cell in the adult body) or from an adult body, but there are limitations in what those cells can develop into. Adult stem cells are called somatic stem cells and often just come from various tissues. Many somatic are unipotent and may just come from another doner.

I dont believe they harvest directly from embryos anymore...I could definitely be wrong, or it just may be theres another alternative, but from what i saw/heard dr. andrews procedures use stem cells harvest from amniotic sacs/fluid. from what i understand is its less intrusive, much of the fluid is expelled during child birth anyways, and can be safely harvested without any fear of harming the embryo.

I imagine in a case like an ACL you could only use embryonic stem cells (which both are classified as whether from an actual embryo or amniotic) since theyre basically blank copies ready to divide and take on the properties of any surrounding cells in an area thats damaged or needs repair.... whereas adult stem cells are typically limited in their ability to divide readily and take on properties. I believe, for instance, stem cells collected from bone marrow are generally only used for treatment with bones and bone marrow.... stem cells from the heart used for heart disease... basically youre not harvesting bone marrow stem cells from an adult to repair an ACL; its just not effective enough.

 

[BmoreBird22]

43 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont believe they harvest directly from embryos anymore...I could definitely be wrong, or it just may be theres another alternative, but from what i saw/heard dr. andrews procedures use stem cells harvest from amniotic sacs/fluid. from what i understand is its less intrusive, much of the fluid is expelled during child birth anyways, and can be safely harvested without any fear of harming the embryo.

I imagine in a case like an ACL you could only use embryonic stem cells (which both are classified as whether from an actual embryo or amniotic) since theyre basically blank copies ready to divide and take on the properties of any surrounding cells in an area thats damaged or needs repair.... whereas adult stem cells are typically limited in their ability to divide readily and take on properties. I believe, for instance, stem cells collected from bone marrow are generally only used for treatment with bones and bone marrow.... stem cells from the heart used for heart disease... basically youre not harvesting bone marrow stem cells from an adult to repair an ACL; its just not effective enough.

 

Unless I'm mistaken, there was an executive order on stem cells (not sure if it got repealed by Obama or not), but they used to take the stem cells from the blastocyst, for embryonic stem cells, at least. 

The reason that most people advocate for the use of embryonic stem cells is that they are pluripotent, whereas the typical adult stem cell is only unipotent. I think they're researching whether or not there's some multipotent stem cells that can divide into several tissues, but not all, but I'm not sure where that one actually stands since I haven't researched it for a few years. 

The ACL is just a tough band of connective tissue; and while I'm not certain on this, I'd imagine you could use the tissue from the LCL, PCL, or MCL to use toward the ACL if you were fearing rejection. They're just located differently and have some structural differences, but anatomically, the cells should be identical, if not nearly identical. 

[kiwi_raven]

This is an apology to Breshad Perriman,

Don't know if players read these boards but in case they do here it goes.

Mr Perriman, 

I apologize for my hurtful words that you are a Bust after it was reported that you had torn your ACL, I was angry that you had been hurt once again and we're not going to be a benefit to the team.

I regret what I have said, and I truly hope you have.an outstanding season and go on to make all your naysayers eat crow

Yours Sincerely

Kiwi_Raven

P.S. I hope to see you have an outstanding game against Jacksonville and put their vaunted defense to shame.

[OUravensfan]

I hope he plays, cautiously optimistic 

[GrimCoconut]

Lol, the yo-yo continues.

[gtalk12]

looks like he finally caught a break

[RavensFanMania]

I don't think this is the last bit of good news we will hear from Perriman.  Call it a hunch

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

28 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I don't think this is the last bit of good news we will hear from Perriman.  Call it a hunch

Ive got the same hunch.

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, kiwi_raven said:

This is an apology to Breshad Perriman,

Don't know if players read these boards but in case they do here it goes.

Mr Perriman, 

I apologize for my hurtful words that you are a Bust after it was reported that you had torn your ACL, I was angry that you had been hurt once again and we're not going to be a benefit to the team.

I regret what I have said, and I truly hope you have.an outstanding season and go on to make all your naysayers eat crow

Yours Sincerely

Kiwi_Raven

P.S. I hope to see you have an outstanding game against Jacksonville and put their vaunted defense to shame.

What if he gets hurt again?....