Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[JoeyFlex5]

I've never had a torn acl but I have a torn mcl, and if you are able to walk on it then you are a bad mammajamma. And I can tell you the difference between walking and actually playing is astronomical.

 

If you've ever had a torn knee ligament, it's one of those things that you feel a little bit every time you see the injury happen, it makes your stomach turn just thinking about the crunching and the burning of trying to put weight on it. 

 

Honestly, I would have to think it's relatively minor if he was able to take a single snap, even if it was in limited participation. Maybe there is a glimmer of hope... But a minor acl tear is a relative term. It might be a minor tear but it's still a significant injury.

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Pretty sure the game went into OT, right? I mean, either way, he was walking on it.

Nope the field goal won them the game. Flacco only played like 3 snaps after the injury. Plus dropping back and passing and handing the ball off is a lot different than Perriman finishing practice running in wide receiver drills at full speed over and over. Like @JoeyFlex5 said an acl is a relative term and still a huge injury. But from what I have heard there is still hope as of now that Perriman plays. But if not the next players on the depth chart need to step up as Perriman was a starter for us. 

[rmw10]

Good read from David Chao on the situation:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/monday-morning-md-lightning-strikes-again/

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Good read from David Chao on the situation:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/monday-morning-md-lightning-strikes-again/

Good read.  IMO, he is done for the year. 

[trevorsteadman]

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Good read from David Chao on the situation:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/monday-morning-md-lightning-strikes-again/

Well that brings me down to Earth a bit. But still hoping that it won't require surgery even if it is the less likely. What we have seen from Perriman so far with his injuries here is they are far from normal. A sprain turned into an entire season. Wouldn't it be great if he was only out a few games with a tear? O.o

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Good read.  IMO, he is done for the year. 

 

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Well that brings me down to Earth a bit. But still hoping that it won't require surgery even if it is the less likely. What we have seen from Perriman so far with his injuries here is they are far from normal. A sprain turned into an entire season. Wouldn't it be great if he was only out a few games with a tear? O.o

Keep in mind - this was written before Dr. Andrews saw him yesterday and reported that he could "absolutely" play this year. 

The point the article is trying to make is that reporting a "partial tear" can be misleading because often times it still requires the full reconstructive surgery. He's basically stating that regardless of partial or full tear, if it requires the full surgery - he's out for the year.

However, the optimism stems (no pun intended) from the fact that Dr. Andrews said it could very well only require the stem cell injections. While he could very likely require the full reconstructive surgery, this article does nothing to take away from or add to my optimism.

Fingers crossed - we'll find out for sure today once Dr. Andrews can get in there and see what's going on. If its still structurally sound, he could be back early in the season. And, the fact that he finished practice (i understand those saying that Flacco and Brady and others walked off the field under their own power.... but Perriman finished practice.... ran routes, blocked, pivoted, accelerated... all hopeful signs that it could still be structurally sound... and then didnt really realize he was injured until a cpl days later) is very encouraging that reconstructive surgery may not be required.

I'm optimistic and dont think theres anything wrong with that. Im also realistic and am prepared for bad news.... but i dont see any reason to EXPECT the bad news.

[redrum52]

Today's the big day.  Hope the best for him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Today's the big day.  Hope the best for him.

Anxiously awaiting....

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

Keep in mind - this was written before Dr. Andrews saw him yesterday and reported that he could "absolutely" play this year. 

The point the article is trying to make is that reporting a "partial tear" can be misleading because often times it still requires the full reconstructive surgery. He's basically stating that regardless of partial or full tear, if it requires the full surgery - he's out for the year.

However, the optimism stems (no pun intended) from the fact that Dr. Andrews said it could very well only require the stem cell injections. While he could very likely require the full reconstructive surgery, this article does nothing to take away from or add to my optimism.

Fingers crossed - we'll find out for sure today once Dr. Andrews can get in there and see what's going on. If its still structurally sound, he could be back early in the season. And, the fact that he finished practice (i understand those saying that Flacco and Brady and others walked off the field under their own power.... but Perriman finished practice.... ran routes, blocked, pivoted, accelerated... all hopeful signs that it could still be structurally sound... and then didnt really realize he was injured until a cpl days later) is very encouraging that reconstructive surgery may not be required.

I'm optimistic and dont think theres anything wrong with that. Im also realistic and am prepared for bad news.... but i dont see any reason to EXPECT the bad news.

Realistic is the key word that most fans aren't because they let emotions cloud their judgment. 

I wonder if there is any chance that him finishing practice could of made the issue worse

[rmw10]

29 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

Keep in mind - this was written before Dr. Andrews saw him yesterday and reported that he could "absolutely" play this year. 

The point the article is trying to make is that reporting a "partial tear" can be misleading because often times it still requires the full reconstructive surgery. He's basically stating that regardless of partial or full tear, if it requires the full surgery - he's out for the year.

However, the optimism stems (no pun intended) from the fact that Dr. Andrews said it could very well only require the stem cell injections. While he could very likely require the full reconstructive surgery, this article does nothing to take away from or add to my optimism.

Fingers crossed - we'll find out for sure today once Dr. Andrews can get in there and see what's going on. If its still structurally sound, he could be back early in the season. And, the fact that he finished practice (i understand those saying that Flacco and Brady and others walked off the field under their own power.... but Perriman finished practice.... ran routes, blocked, pivoted, accelerated... all hopeful signs that it could still be structurally sound... and then didnt really realize he was injured until a cpl days later) is very encouraging that reconstructive surgery may not be required.

I'm optimistic and dont think theres anything wrong with that. Im also realistic and am prepared for bad news.... but i dont see any reason to EXPECT the bad news.

While that is true, I also found another article that mentioned that the question here is not whether it's partially torn or fully torn.  The real question is if the knee is stable or not - which they deem as either functional or non-functional.  While the MRI results came back positive it seems, it was mentioned that the real answers will come today, when they actually go inside the knee to see the damage.  I'm certainly holding out hope.  The article I posted was more to illustrate that the whole partial vs. full doesn't really matter.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Realistic is the key word that most fans aren't because they let emotions cloud their judgment. 

I wonder if there is any chance that him finishing practice could of made the issue worse

Oh I'm sure it could have... which is a double edged sword. The fact that it didnt bother him enough to be alarmed when running routes, cutting, changing directions, accelerating, etc... is a positive and encouraging. 

The fact that it could have been even more minor, and doing all of that on a compromised tendon may have torn it slightly more or weakened it to where hes in this position now, and had he stopped right when the injury occurred then maybe it would have been torn less or not at all.... that disheartening.

But, we'll never know now. And, obviously he had no clue since he didnt even report the injury until a day or 2 later. So, this is where we're at, and all we can hope for is that its structurally sound and that the stem cell injections will be all he needs to get back to 100% in 4 or 5 months.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh I'm sure it could have... which is a double edged sword. The fact that it didnt bother him enough to be alarmed when running routes, cutting, changing directions, accelerating, etc... is a positive and encouraging. 

The fact that it could have been even more minor, and doing all of that on a compromised tendon may have torn it slightly more or weakened it to where hes in this position now, and had he stopped right when the injury occurred then maybe it would have been torn less or not at all.... that disheartening.

But, we'll never know now. And, obviously he had no clue since he didnt even report the injury until a day or 2 later. So, this is where we're at, and all we can hope for is that its structurally sound and that the stem cell injections will be all he needs to get back to 100% in 4 or 5 months.

I expect injuries to happen, everyone should, its apart of the game.  The scariest part to me is that TC hasn't even started and we potentially lost a key player.  Like when Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball....

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I expect injuries to happen, everyone should, its apart of the game.  The scariest part to me is that TC hasn't even started and we potentially lost a key player.  Like when Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball....

Exactly we lost a key guy in our offense who was probably our #2 going into the season behind Steve Smith who is also a question mark at this point. It took the defense about 8 games to finally catch on without Suggs last season when he went down in Denver. You could notice teams burning us without him there until about week 9 when our secondary started playing lights out. If we lose Perriman, Smith is one year older coming back from an achilles. The only wide receiver I am confident in as of now is Aiken. Wallace is a question mark even though I think he is better in this offense than Minnesota's. Hopefully our tight ends and running backs make up for these losses and it is time for these young receivers to make a case for a roster spot. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Exactly we lost a key guy in our offense who was probably our #2 going into the season behind Steve Smith who is also a question mark at this point. It took the defense about 8 games to finally catch on without Suggs last season when he went down in Denver. You could notice teams burning us without him there until about week 9 when our secondary started playing lights out. If we lose Perriman, Smith is one year older coming back from an achilles. The only wide receiver I am confident in as of now is Aiken. Wallace is a question mark even though I think he is better in this offense than Minnesota's. Hopefully our tight ends and running backs make up for these losses and it is time for these young receivers to make a case for a roster spot. 

Well, the difference is, we never had BP to begin with.  Its not like we lost a WR that put up 1k yards and 10 TDs like we did last year. 

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well, the difference is, we never had BP to begin with.  Its not like we lost a WR that put up 1k yards and 10 TDs like we did last year. 

True but going into the season you still expect him to play. With him gone we either need Moore to step up into his role or we are going with only Wallace. Which completely changes the offense. This year with signing a speedster in Wallace and drafting Moore another deep guy we wanted to throw downfield more which we have struggled with the last couple seasons. I felt more of those two deep threats when going three wr sets. Wallace and Perriman on the edges and Smith/Aiken in the slot. I understand he is still a huge question mark and we didn't have him last season, but him starting in OTA's means we had a huge role in mind for him. Luckily I think we have the depth to cover his loss if we do lose him between depth at the tight end position and wide receiver position. But still a huge loss nevertheless. He could have produced a good bit his first two seasons but now he may miss out on both.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

While that is true, I also found another article that mentioned that the question here is not whether it's partially torn or fully torn.  The real question is if the knee is stable or not - which they deem as either functional or non-functional.  While the MRI results came back positive it seems, it was mentioned that the real answers will come today, when they actually go inside the knee to see the damage.  I'm certainly holding out hope.  The article I posted was more to illustrate that the whole partial vs. full doesn't really matter.

Oh, i agree completely. Fully understand the partial vs full doesnt shed any light on his ability to come back quickly. Just pointing it that it also doesnt do much at this point to eliminate the hope that Andrews created.

All im saying is that Andrews report, along with the fact that Perriman was able to finish practice which means he was likely running at full speed, cutting, changing directions, accelerating, etc... at least gives hope that its stable. I cant imagine if it was completely unstable that he'd be able to do all that. And if he wasnt abel to, and "finished practice" just means he was there on the sideline and participated in walk throughs or something.... i dont know why it would take a day or 2 to realize he had this partial tear.

So, i think theres enough anecdotal evidence to at least have substantial hope and optimism. But, either way we'll know for sure today. Optimistic, but also very prepared for the worst.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

21 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I expect injuries to happen, everyone should, its apart of the game.  The scariest part to me is that TC hasn't even started and we potentially lost a key player.  Like when Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball....

Apparently it happens to 50% of teams every year. Not quite there yet this year... but with this week still to come, it will likely get to that 50% mark again.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Exactly we lost a key guy in our offense who was probably our #2 going into the season behind Steve Smith who is also a question mark at this point. It took the defense about 8 games to finally catch on without Suggs last season when he went down in Denver. You could notice teams burning us without him there until about week 9 when our secondary started playing lights out. If we lose Perriman, Smith is one year older coming back from an achilles. The only wide receiver I am confident in as of now is Aiken. Wallace is a question mark even though I think he is better in this offense than Minnesota's. Hopefully our tight ends and running backs make up for these losses and it is time for these young receivers to make a case for a roster spot. 

The difference there is... Suggs was a leader, integral to what we do on defense... so it was a big adjustment for everyone from the players to the coaching stuff to try and be as effective without him and his skill set on the field.

The offense has never had Perriman, so there wont be any adjustment to not having him there. They certainly lose the potential of what he could have brought to the table, but its not as if he was this deep threat that stretched the defense and now without him other guys are going to have to adjust to less space underneath and boxes being stacked. They've been dealing with that... and hopefully with wallace and moore still here - that situation will still be an improvement over last year and what they became used to dealing with.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh, i agree completely. Fully understand the partial vs full doesnt shed any light on his ability to come back quickly. Just pointing it that it also doesnt do much at this point to eliminate the hope that Andrews created.

All im saying is that Andrews report, along with the fact that Perriman was able to finish practice which means he was likely running at full speed, cutting, changing directions, accelerating, etc... at least gives hope that its stable. I cant imagine if it was completely unstable that he'd be able to do all that. And if he wasnt abel to, and "finished practice" just means he was there on the sideline and participated in walk throughs or something.... i dont know why it would take a day or 2 to realize he had this partial tear.

So, i think theres enough anecdotal evidence to at least have substantial hope and optimism. But, either way we'll know for sure today. Optimistic, but also very prepared for the worst.

For sure.  Whatever article I had read (I'd link it but I can't remember where I found it) also played into Chao's rope analogy in that while it may be holding together now, how close is it to breaking?  Again, I will never claim to be a medical doctor, but I think that's where the partial may come in.  While it doesn't sound like it's a straight tear, it sounds like we're teetering on the edge of will the rope break or not.  It sounds like that's where they cannot completely ascertain the extent until they get in there.

There's definitely some reason for hope.  I hope it only ends up being minor, at least as far as ACLs go.  It's just such a tough option for a guy that has to continually cut back and forth every single day.  If you do opt for the stem cell treatment, you have to be very cautious with him.

[Kinda_Dante]

So I was playing my madden franchise where I've been balling out with Perriman and now he's out in my game for 23 weeks with a broken fibula... I didn't know what to do but laugh.

[rmw10]

Rapoport:

Good news for the #Ravens & WR Breshad Perriman: His knee was deemed stable enough. Got a stem cell injection, expected to be OK for 2016.

Edited June 14, 2016 by rmw10

[rmw10]

Initial thought from the team was that the knee was stable and the scope today confirmed it.

Edited June 14, 2016 by rmw10

[Kinda_Dante]

Thank you God!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully this recovers faster than that PCL last season.

[usmccharles]

So when can we expect him back... 

[ellicottraven]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Rapoport:

Good news for the #Ravens & WR Breshad Perriman: His knee was deemed stable enough. Got a stem cell injection, expected to be OK for 2016.

How cool is that for both Perriman and the Ravens!

[ludy51]

WOOOHOOO!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, usmccharles said:

So when can we expect him back... 

Don't push it... Lmao

[Daft Classic]

Still hesitant as to the impact this (or any) injury has in regards to timetables, but that's a huge relief. Hopefully this doesn't take forever and a half to recover 

 

Also, everyone may resume their pre-injury Hype for Offense

Edited June 14, 2016 by Daft Classic

[rmw10]

Only concern know is how he reacts to the treatment and how quickly he heals.  Remember again that he'll likely be missing all of training camp, so I wouldn't put expectations too high for week 1.  He has very little practice time to his name with us.

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, Daft Classic said:

Still hesitant as to the impact this (or any) injury has in regards to timetables, but that's a huge relief. Hopefully this doesn't take forever and a half to recover 

I'm going to be very optimistic and say he plays against the Bills! If I'm optimistic, I want to be shamelessly so!