Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[berad]

Question that might have already been answered: Is Perriman eligible for PUP? I'm unclear on whether OTA/minicamp participation counts to disqualify him from that list.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, berad said:

Question that might have already been answered: Is Perriman eligible for PUP? I'm unclear on whether OTA/minicamp participation counts to disqualify him from that list.

Yes, he is.  Only training camp participation counts, so he'll likely end up on the PUP and we'll reevaluate during the season.  It sounds like he's going to miss the entire year, though.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

Question that might have already been answered: Is Perriman eligible for PUP? I'm unclear on whether OTA/minicamp participation counts to disqualify him from that list.

I believe the PUP "cutoff" begins the first day of training camp, so he should be eligible for it.

If he were to practice during training camp, he would no longer be eligible.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Yes, he is.  Only training camp participation counts, so he'll likely end up on the PUP and we'll reevaluate during the season.  It sounds like he's going to miss the entire year, though.

I think they (all of us really) are still waiting on official diagnosis from James Andrews, who I believe he is seeing today or sometime this week.

In theory, if the tear were actually minor enough that he didn't need surgery, you could put him on PUP and give him at least six weeks of the regular season to heal, which would be about four months total from now.

Probably a long shot, though. He probably ends up on IR. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think they (all of us really) are still waiting on official diagnosis from James Andrews, who I believe he is seeing today or sometime this week.

In theory, if the tear were actually minor enough that he didn't need surgery, you could put him on PUP and give him at least six weeks of the regular season to heal, which would be about four months total from now.

Probably a long shot, though. He probably ends up on IR. 

Obviously he hasn't actually seen him or anything, bit David Chao (profootballdoc on Twitter), who is damn near spot on a large majority of the time, said he has never seen a partial ACL tear in his career.

[berad]

@rmw10@rmcjacket23 Thank you two, now I know

[thieverycorporation]

I personally commented on the article before the draft of Perriman and had read the article which at the time was pretty damning and straight forward. The statements in the article suggested that Perrimans condition was that of a problematic concern and was suspect due to the propensity to heal slowly and was painful in nature. No amount pain relief remedies would help him and Perriman had experienced it first hand. NFL teams had been informed and aware of his condition which they would have to evaluate before drafting him with a valuable high pick.  The Ravens became smitten with Perrimans speed rolled the dice and up to date, lost. If you look at his college film he even runs funny/awkward. His upper body doesn't coincide with lower body at the knees. They look thin and vulnerable to injury if hit (game speed), or over stressed. Hindsight is 20/20 but when it stirs you in the face you should do your due diligence to determine if was a smokescreen or actual fact. I'd say the evidence is overwhelming that the article was correct and timely. Somebody dropped the ball, plain and simple.

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

60% of the time Osgood schlatters Tears acls every time.

75% of the time statistics are made up.....

[KoryB13]

Ravens should bring back Boldin before he signs with the Lions

[RavensFanMania]

hopefully this is the worst injury the Ravens have all season.  We obviously know this will not be the case, but we can only hope.

[Deflated Football]

3 minutes ago, KoryB13 said:

Ravens should bring back Boldin before he signs with the Lions

Boldin is exactly what we DON'T need

[regz1997]

7 minutes ago, KoryB13 said:

Ravens should bring back Boldin before he signs with the Lions

Does he come with or without the wheelchair?

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, regz1997 said:

Does he come with or without the wheelchair?

Boldin is a warrior and still has game..those kind of comments should be reserved for other old players/

[Kinda_Dante]

3 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Does he come with or without the wheelchair?

It's a set you can't separate them.

[Kinda_Dante]

 

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

There's "absolutely" a chance that Ravens' WR Breshad Perriman could return for 2016 season, per source. Surgery Tuesday should tell more.

 

 

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

#Ravens WR Breshad Perriman's scope from James Andrews is tomorrow. That will determine if he needs a reconstruction. 1st visit was today.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Kinda_Dante

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

 

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

There's "absolutely" a chance that Ravens' WR Breshad Perriman could return for 2016 season, per source. Surgery Tuesday should tell more.

 

 

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

#Ravens WR Breshad Perriman's scope from James Andrews is tomorrow. That will determine if he needs a reconstruction. 1st visit was today.

Yeah I saw that.  Apparently they would opt for stem cell injections over a total reconstruction.

I won't pretend to be a doctor or anything, but wouldn't it make sense to just do the surgery and get it over with?  We saw how the last knee injury went when they just tried to let it heal.  In my eyes, it seems better to do the surgery now and look toward 2017 than him possibly having a setback and missing part of 2017.

[regz1997]

16 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

It's a set you can't separate them.

Well if we got a wheelchair out of it that's a deal!

[ludy51]

So he may not have a significant tear?

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Yeah I saw that.  Apparently they would opt for stem cell injections over a total reconstruction.

I won't pretend to be a doctor or anything, but wouldn't it make sense to just do the surgery and get it over with?  We saw how the last knee injury went when they just tried to let it heal.  In my eyes, it seems better to do the surgery now and look toward 2017 than him possibly having a setback and missing part of 2017.

I'm not a doctor either, but a lot of advances have been made with ACL injuries, if it's a partial tear the stem cell injections might be enough to get him back this yea healthy. I would just trust whatever the doctor recommends for him, after everything with last year's PCL I would think if he could possibly have any setback I would think he would opt to just get the surgery and sit out the year.

[rmw10]

Just now, Kinda_Dante said:

I'm not a doctor either, but a lot of advances have been made with ACL injuries, if it's a partial tear the stem cell injections might be enough to get him back this yea healthy. I would just trust whatever the doctor recommends for him, after everything with last year's PCL I would think if he could possibly have any setback I would think he would opt to just get the surgery and sit out the year.

Yeah it's an interesting situation for sure.  I'd be curious to see if the stability factor by the stem cells would be the same as if it was reconstructed.  I think that would be my major concern.  I think at this point, you have to play the long term game and do whatever is best for that.  Based off of last year's attempt to let something heal on it's own, I'm not sure opting to do that again this year is the best option, but I'm not an expert.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I'm not a doctor either, but a lot of advances have been made with ACL injuries, if it's a partial tear the stem cell injections might be enough to get him back this yea healthy. I would just trust whatever the doctor recommends for him, after everything with last year's PCL I would think if he could possibly have any setback I would think he would opt to just get the surgery and sit out the year.

 

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah it's an interesting situation for sure.  I'd be curious to see if the stability factor by the stem cells would be the same as if it was reconstructed.  I think that would be my major concern.  I think at this point, you have to play the long term game and do whatever is best for that.  Based off of last year's attempt to let something heal on it's own, I'm not sure opting to do that again this year is the best option, but I'm not an expert.

I won't pretend to be a doctor, either, but I think last  year's PCL injury was pushed way too soon. If he goes on the PUP list, I think four months with stem cells would give him a real fair shake to play this season.

Also, the ACL is made up of two bundles of fibers to construct the entire ACL. If he tore only one of those two bundles, it's entirely possible that he's still fairly stable. He was, after all, back on the practice field after it happened, so there is that, which means the extent of the injury wasn't terribly severe.

Plus, a stem cell method instead of reconstructing gives it a natural healing process and would make for a more natural feel and easier return when he's finally healthy.

[usmccharles]

1. Im not going to get my hopes up, but at least thats positive news.  Im sure he will start on the PUP

[Kinda_Dante]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah it's an interesting situation for sure.  I'd be curious to see if the stability factor by the stem cells would be the same as if it was reconstructed.  I think that would be my major concern.  I think at this point, you have to play the long term game and do whatever is best for that.  Based off of last year's attempt to let something heal on it's own, I'm not sure opting to do that again this year is the best option, but I'm not an expert.

Right, if I was in his shoes and the doctor were to tell me we can do the surgery and you'll be back for next season 100% or we can do the stem cell get you back at 80% for this season and you may still need surgery in the future, I'm sitting out for sure.

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

I won't pretend to be a doctor, either, but I think last  year's PCL injury was pushed way too soon. If he goes on the PUP list, I think four months with stem cells would give him a real fair shake to play this season.

Also, the ACL is made up of two bundles of fibers to construct the entire ACL. If he tore only one of those two bundles, it's entirely possible that he's still fairly stable. He was, after all, back on the practice field after it happened, so there is that, which means the extent of the injury wasn't terribly severe.

Plus, a stem cell method instead of reconstructing gives it a natural healing process and would make for a more natural feel and easier return when he's finally healthy.

Yeah I think that would be a best case scenario, I'm gonna just trust the doctors on this one, hopefully we'll know by tomorrow.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Right, if I was in his shoes and the doctor were to tell me we can do the surgery and you'll be back for next season 100% or we can do the stem cell get you back at 80% for this season and you may still need surgery in the future, I'm sitting out for sure.

Yea, but i wonder how much of missing last year will affect a decision like that.  I know playing at 80% isnt ideal....but im sure playing compared to not playing is

[usmccharles]

Hes not out for the year? i was wayyyyyyyyyy off

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

I won't pretend to be a doctor, either, but I think last  year's PCL injury was pushed way too soon. If he goes on the PUP list, I think four months with stem cells would give him a real fair shake to play this season.

Also, the ACL is made up of two bundles of fibers to construct the entire ACL. If he tore only one of those two bundles, it's entirely possible that he's still fairly stable. He was, after all, back on the practice field after it happened, so there is that, which means the extent of the injury wasn't terribly severe.

Plus, a stem cell method instead of reconstructing gives it a natural healing process and would make for a more natural feel and easier return when he's finally healthy.

I think it ultimately depends on how long the stem cell option will keep him out.  If it's nearly the whole season, is it worth it to just put him on the shelf and reconstruct it?  I have no idea.  Tomorrow will be the tell tale.  They are moving awfully quick on the process though, so I imagine there is some hope.

[757RavensFan]

IF Perriman some how is cleared to play this year, I think the season will determine if the coaches let him play or not. 

If we're 9-2 sitting on top of the AFC North and we're pretty healthy they may just shelf him until next year. 

[RavensFanMania]

6 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Right, if I was in his shoes and the doctor were to tell me we can do the surgery and you'll be back for next season 100% or we can do the stem cell get you back at 80% for this season and you may still need surgery in the future, I'm sitting out for sure.

I may be inclined to agree if this were the thought process.  Another thing to take into account is that he will now go through his 2nd season and still only have 1 day of training camp.  

 

I'd love for hm to be healthy enough this year to be able to play at higher than 80%.  Depends on if the chances are at a higher percentage that he has the problem again.  If it's not a higher chance that he tears the ACL again, then I'd go ahead with stem cells. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, RavensFanMania said:

I may be inclined to agree if this were the thought process.  Another thing to take into account is that he will now go through his 2nd season and still only have 1 day of training camp.  

 

I'd love for hm to be healthy enough this year to be able to play at higher than 80%.  Depends on if the chances are at a higher percentage that he has the problem again.  If it's not a higher chance that he tears the ACL again, then I'd go ahead with stem cells. 

That's a good thought as well.  How ready is Perriman to actually play, even if he can return?  He literally only has a few OTAs and minicamps to his name in 2 years.  You hope he's shoving his face in the playbook during the downtime, but the playbook won't help him with everything.