Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Read the article . He had plenty of problems and a disease that may have weakened his knees in later life. Maybe thats why he's having knee problems know. Who knows though really. Umm Doctors.....

But to say there weren't any significant injuries in his sports career is false. The disease supposedly only affects the early years but who really knows if it didn't weaken his knees to an extent. After all, he's getting severely hurt in non contact drills. 

 I read the article last year after we drafted him.  side from the disease that affects adolescents, which isn't a concern at an older age (hence the word adolescents), there were no red flags.  If you want to use an ankle injury from high school as a red flag, pretty sure almost every player is going to have a red flag for "injury history".  Most people view an injury history like Laremy Tunsil, continuous issues, or like Camp.  BP had none in college, at all.  But hey, justify it how you want

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[jimmypowder]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just to further that you do not understand the disease, it affects the patellar tendon, not the ligaments.

Who gives a damn , they all interact in making a sports move. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Who gives a damn , they all interact in making a sports move. 

Well this sums up everything.....

[jimmypowder]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 I read the article last year after we drafted him.  side from the disease that affects adolescents, which isn't a concern at an older age (hence the word adolescents), there were no red flags.  If you want to use an ankle injury from high school as a red flag, pretty sure almost every player is going to have a red flag for "injury history".  Most people view an injury history like Laremy Tunsil, continuous issues, or like Camp.  BP had none in college, at all.  But hey, justify it how you want

The disease can still affect people later in life. There are no guarantees. 

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Who gives a damn , they all interact in making a sports move. 

you would make a fine medical specialist.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

The disease can still affect people later in life. There are no guarantees. 

But that has nothing to do with his ligaments tearing.

Here, can you explain to me the significance of the disease and why it may lead to more torn ligaments?

[jimmypowder]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Fixed.

Heres a quote from a medical jounal: 

In the years after recovery, about 60% of adults who once experienced Osgood-Schlatter disease have some pain with kneeling.

SO there are aftereffects. 

 

How bout someone hammering a knee with a helmet? 

Edited June 13, 2016 by jimmypowder

[rmw10]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

Heres a quote from a medical jounal: 

In the years after recovery, about 60% of adults who once experienced Osgood-Schlatter disease have some pain with kneeling.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with tearing your ACL, but okay.

[Tru11]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

Heres a quote from a medical jounal: 

In the years after recovery, about 60% of adults who once experienced Osgood-Schlatter disease have some pain with kneeling.

and this translate to a torn ACL in what way?

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with tearing your ACL, but okay.

 

Just now, Tru11 said:

and this translate to a torn ACL in what way?

because knee pain translates to ACL tears 39.48% of the time

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

26 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Out for the year that year. Must have been a really bad injury as it was only the 3rd game of the season. 

 

I would never have picked him in the draft based on the info in that article. 

you wouldnt draft a player bc they suffered an ankle injury in high school that never affected them again????? Dude thats literally the most ridiculous comment of the century. All credibility shot. You wouldnt be able to select pretty much any player ever. Good luck finding a player who's never been injured before.

The ankle has nothing to do with what just happened to him. Neither does his bone disease. Pain when kneeling and tearing your ACL are not related.... youre grasping at straws, but go ahead and have fun with it.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 

because knee pain translates to ACL tears 39.48% of the time

39.48% of the time 100% of the time, clearly.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Who gives a damn , they all interact in making a sports move. 

The hip and knee work together in sports moves as well... if someone has hip issues are they suddenly at greater risk for knee injuries? The biceps and triceps work together closely.... better wrap up Elam's triceps bc its almost certain hes going to injure it soon!

You dont have a point and obviously no understanding of Perriman's medical past... or how injuries happen. So, just stop. Its ok, you can be wrong.

[usmccharles]

I need this laugh, thanks guys

[jimmypowder]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The hip and knee work together in sports moves as well... if someone has hip issues are they suddenly at greater risk for knee injuries? The biceps and triceps work together closely.... better wrap up Elam's triceps bc its almost certain hes going to injure it soon!

You dont have a point and obviously no understanding of Perriman's medical past... or how injuries happen. So, just stop. Its ok, you can be wrong.

My point was that Perriman has had injuries in the past when someone posted here he had no injury background which is a false statement. 

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

you wouldnt draft a player bc they suffered an ankle injury in high school that never affected them again????? Dude thats literally the most ridiculous comment of the century. All credibility shot. You wouldnt be able to select pretty much any player ever. Good luck finding a player who's never been injured before.

The ankle has nothing to do with what just happened to him. Neither does his bone disease. Pain when kneeling and tearing your ACL are not related.... youre grasping at straws, but go ahead and have fun with it.

im actually quite interested how he is able to relate an ankle injury in high school to torn ligaments in the pro.

my common sense with little medical knowledge cant comprehend it at all but im open to learning.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

My point was that Perriman has had injuries in the past when someone posted here he had no injury background which is a false statement. 

"Injury history" implies a chronic, ongoing, or at least multiple case of a recurring injury. Not one instance of an injury that never occurred again.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

"Injury history" implies a chronic, ongoing, or at least multiple case of a recurring injury. Not one instance of an injury that never occurred again.

I tried to explain that logically, it clearly didn't work....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

im actually quite interested how he is able to relate an ankle injury in high school to torn ligaments in the pro.

my common sense with little medical knowledge cant comprehend it at all but im open to learning.

Well, let me break it down for you.

The foot bones connected to the ankle bone. The ankle bones connected to the - shin bone. The shin bones connected to the - knee bone... the knee bones connected to the - knee ligaments.... and thats how you tear an ACL. boom boom boom boom..... or something like that.

Its highly scientific. We just dont understand.

[jimmypowder]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

you wouldnt draft a player bc they suffered an ankle injury in high school that never affected them again????? Dude thats literally the most ridiculous comment of the century. All credibility shot. You wouldnt be able to select pretty much any player ever. Good luck finding a player who's never been injured before.

The ankle has nothing to do with what just happened to him. Neither does his bone disease. Pain when kneeling and tearing your ACL are not related.... youre grasping at straws, but go ahead and have fun w.th it.

More to it than the ankle injury. People that have had Osgood can be negatively affected as adults. Ask a doctor if you don't believe me. 

Sure its different than ligament damage but my point was he has had serious injuries when people here are claiming he didn't.

 

 

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

My point was that Perriman has had injuries in the past when someone posted here he had no injury background which is a false statement. 

list all injuries he had so far in his life.

quite intrested to see this list of yours that would make you think this guy had an injury history which would make him a ticking time bomb.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well, let me break it down for you.

The foot bones connected to the ankle bone. The ankle bones connected to the - shin bone. The shin bones connected to the - knee bone... the knee bones connected to the - knee ligaments.... and thats how you tear an ACL. boom boom boom boom..... or something like that.

Its highly scientific. We just dont understand.

quite disappointed its not somehow pees fault in 1 or another way.

[usmccharles]

Just now, Tru11 said:

quite disappointed its not somehow pees fault in 1 or another way.

give it time my friend, give it time....

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

More to it than the ankle injury. People that have had Osgood can be negatively affected as adults. Ask a doctor if you don't believe me. 

Sure its different than ligament damage but my point was he has had serious injuries when people here are claiming he didn't.

 

 

 

dont think osgood can be qualified as an injury.

pretty sure its qualified as a disease.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

More to it than the ankle injury. People that have had Osgood can be negatively affected as adults. Ask a doctor if you don't believe me. 

Sure its different than ligament damage but my point was he has had serious injuries when people here are claiming he didn't.

 

 

Dude... can you not even read your own sources?? He didnt have "serious injuries." He did have serious PAIN as an adolescent. But thats due to rapid bone growth, and the muscles/tendons/ligaments not growing at the same pace. Once the bones finish growing, and the muscles/tendons/ligaments catch up theres literally no more effects.

Sure, some adults have "pain when kneeling" or whatever. 60% - sure, ill buy it since you cited it. But, lets put that in context now. What % of  healthy adults would report experiencing pain when kneeling? A pretty large percentage is my bet... so the real effect, or increase in likelihood of experiencing pain probably isnt all that great....

Oh, and last time i checked, experiencing pain when kneeling isnt the same as "youre gonna tear your ACL easily." Further, that 60% figure doesnt put into context at what age or point in life those "adults" began experiencing pain when kneeling. Was it 25 year olds? Or we talking 40-50 year olds. Without context, and a control group of regular healthy adults of the same age, that 60% means absolutely jack.

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well, let me break it down for you.

The foot bones connected to the ankle bone. The ankle bones connected to the - shin bone. The shin bones connected to the - knee bone... the knee bones connected to the - knee ligaments.... and thats how you tear an ACL. boom boom boom boom..... or something like that.

Its highly scientific. We just dont understand.

Actually, the patella doesn't even touch your LCL, ACL, PCL, or MCL...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Actually, the patella doesn't even touch your LCL, ACL, PCL, or MCL...

Whoa - dont bring facks into this. Barney dont lie.

[Runnin Raven]

Really just another sad situation with a very high draft pick, ala Sergio Kindle.  Totally different circumstance, but same net result.  Chris Moore just became a lot more important to our equation at WR.  Thankful for that pick this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

60% of the time Osgood schlatters Tears acls every time.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

60% of the time Osgood schlatters Tears acls every time.

I love...Camp...

I love Camp