Breshad Perriman - Partially Torn ACL?

[JimmyBlack]

I remember that one of my first posts in here was along the lines of "if Perriman even makes it through training camp without injury."  I am so glad that we signed Wallace.  This might open the door for resigning Bolden, too.  That would be enough to keep us respectable this season.  Moore will need to learn a few route trees to be on the field much this season.  I sure hope that our running game is solid.

[Winchester]

What happened to the conversation about star players 24-29??

[Tiznut]

5 hours ago, OldToby said:

I can only imagine how frustrated the front office is... 

That part is sad.  You know they're frustrated with his injuries but feel for him at the same time. 

[Grapple Raven]

32 minutes ago, Winchester said:

What happened to the conversation about star players 24-29??

And what is the title of this thread?  Stay on topic please.

 

Great read related to this topic:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16153948/steve-smith-sr-defends-baltimore-ravens-teammate-breshad-perriman-vs-naysayers

 

[regz1997]

1 hour ago, Grapple Raven said:

And what is the title of this thread?  Stay on topic please.

 

Great read related to this topic:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16153948/steve-smith-sr-defends-baltimore-ravens-teammate-breshad-perriman-vs-naysayers

 

Savage ? Haha true though... I completely agree with everything expressed in that article. Definitely worth the read... First I've heard from any of the players about the injury. Smitty hit it right on the head as well about naysayers who have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to injuries. 

Edited June 13, 2016 by regz1997

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, regz1997 said:

Savage ? Haha true though... I completely agree with everything expressed in that article. Definitely worth the read... First I've heard from any of the players about the injury. Smitty hit it right on the head as well about naysayers who have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to injuries. 

Nobody is blaming him. Most peeps are upset because he was a need reach to begin with. Ozzie Decosta ignored the position in the best wr draft ever knowing Torrey was going to be a free agent and leave the team hoping undrafted players would step up and counting on an aging WR to not fall off.

[waybeyond]

On 6/11/2016 at 6:29 PM, Edgar said:

We are ok at wideout. It's a shame to see him injured but I'm not near in a rush to make a trade.

This gives Wallace, a proven veteran more snaps and with Aiken, smith and Moore and Campanaro we have tremendous versatility.

 

Campanaro will soon be out because of a hamstring injury. I'm expecting it to happen anytime.

 

[regz1997]

10 hours ago, Winchester said:

Nobody is blaming him. Most peeps are upset because he was a need reach to begin with. Ozzie Decosta ignored the position in the best wr draft ever knowing Torrey was going to be a free agent and leave the team hoping undrafted players would step up and counting on an aging WR to not fall off.

And guess what? Kamar Aiken and several TEs stepped up and delivered as did other guys, and Smitty DIDN'T fall off, in fact he looked exactly as driven and dominant as he did the season before, before his Achilles gave out.

Yet once again this has nothing to do with Perriman! In the 2014 draft the only guy who would've been draftable from where we were at that year was Kelvin Benjamin. He was raw at best coming out of college, and has encountered injuries of his own. Mosley was a damn good pick that year. Imagine what our ILB corps would look like without him. Our Ravens defense is built upon strong sideline to sideline play from our ILBs. Our FO knows this, and rightly saw that Mosley is going to be a star in this league.  

The point is this. FO did the best they could in '14, and IMO picked one of the best guys available who fit a need. Breshad Perriman looked like a fine prospect out of college in '15. He still has all the tools to succeed given a clean bill of health. The knee injuries will not affect his straight line speed at his age, and what he needs at this critical point in his career is a fan base that backs him up instead of calling for his head.

Edited June 13, 2016 by regz1997

[Sizzlebshu]

39 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

And guess what? Kamar Aiken and several TEs stepped up and delivered as did other guys, and Smitty DIDN'T fall off, in fact he looked exactly as driven and dominant as he did the season before, before his Achilles gave out.

Yet once again this has nothing to do with Perriman! In the 2014 draft the only guy who would've been draftable from where we were at that year was Kelvin Benjamin. He was raw at best coming out of college, and has encountered injuries of his own. Mosley was a damn good pick that year. Imagine what our ILB corps would look like without him. Our Ravens defense is built upon strong sideline to sideline play from our ILBs. Our FO knows this, and rightly saw that Mosley is going to be a star in this league.  

The point is this. FO did the best they could in '14, and IMO picked one of the best guys available who fit a need. Breshad Perriman looked like a fine prospect out of college in '15. He still has all the tools to succeed given a clean bill of health. The knee injuries will not affect his straight line speed at his age, and what he needs at this critical point in his career is a fan base that backs him up instead of calling for his head.

Aiken is mediocre. You throw anyone enough balls, they will catch them. That's what Aiken is. 

Who cares how Smitty looked before his leg gave out. The only thing that matters is how he is going to look going forward. 

Half our TE's are injured and/or unproven. Not to mention we don't even know if Trestman will make use of them (not in his history). Gilmore is coming off injury, pitta is coming off injury, boyle is suspended. Max Williams underwhelmed which is why we signed Ben Watson. All of that suggests to me that Ozzie wasn't too thrilled about our prospects at the position. 

I don't have any problem with the 14 draft. If you weren't getting a game changing wideout, you shouldn't take one. Plain and simple. 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, regz1997 said:

And guess what? Kamar Aiken and several TEs stepped up and delivered as did other guys, and Smitty DIDN'T fall off, in fact he looked exactly as driven and dominant as he did the season before, before his Achilles gave out.

Yet once again this has nothing to do with Perriman! In the 2014 draft the only guy who would've been draftable from where we were at that year was Kelvin Benjamin. He was raw at best coming out of college, and has encountered injuries of his own. Mosley was a damn good pick that year. Imagine what our ILB corps would look like without him. Our Ravens defense is built upon strong sideline to sideline play from our ILBs. Our FO knows this, and rightly saw that Mosley is going to be a star in this league.  

The point is this. FO did the best they could in '14, and IMO picked one of the best guys available who fit a need. Breshad Perriman looked like a fine prospect out of college in '15. He still has all the tools to succeed given a clean bill of health. The knee injuries will not affect his straight line speed at his age, and what he needs at this critical point in his career is a fan base that backs him up instead of calling for his head.

Bottom line 5-11

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

50 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Aiken is mediocre. You throw anyone enough balls, they will catch them. That's what Aiken is. 

Who cares how Smitty looked before his leg gave out. The only thing that matters is how he is going to look going forward. 

Half our TE's are injured and/or unproven. Not to mention we don't even know if Trestman will make use of them (not in his history). Gilmore is coming off injury, pitta is coming off injury, boyle is suspended. Max Williams underwhelmed which is why we signed Ben Watson. All of that suggests to me that Ozzie wasn't too thrilled about our prospects at the position. 

I don't have any problem with the 14 draft. If you weren't getting a game changing wideout, you shouldn't take one. Plain and simple. 

 

 

Maxx underwhelmed? With limited opportunity he put up the best rookie season for a TE in franchise history. Better than Heap or Pitta. 

"Underwhelmed" seems like it's being used relative to your expectations... 

And Trestman IS known for using his TEs and FBs and creatively getting them favorable match ups in the passing game. Not sure what history you've looked at that indicated he doesn't use his TEs much. 

Ozzie Newsome, Brent Jones, and Martellus Bennett all had great years playing for him as either an OC or HC. And I'd say the whole group of Gillmore, Williams and Boyle played well under him last year. Williams and Boyle were probably the two most impressive rookie TEs in the league and Gillmore was having a breakout year before injuries kind of derailed him a bit.

And no, not just any receiver will do what Aiken did given the opportunity. Not just from a production standpoint, but most analytical websites agree he was among the top 20 or so WRs in the league last year, and that was with little or no weapons around him to take attention away from him. 

Yea - throw at an open player or a guy with a mismatch all day and he'll make some plays. But Aiken was drawing the top DBs in the league and was among the most consistent receivers in the league over that stretch of being our #1. Only 1 other guy has a stretch of consecutive games with 5 catches that rivals Aikens - and that's Brown. Not saying he's in the same stratosphere as him... But it's impressive. 

Aiken deserves credit. He's much better than mediocre. He'll be one of the best #3 WRs in the league, is a very solid #2 and showed he can produce as a #1. If anyone could do it, teams wouldn't be paying $10m+ per season for top WRs, if just anyone like the lowly Kamar Aiken can come in and produce on a comparable level. 

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but on topic... Anyone saying anything on the Perriman injury other than sympathies for the guy and a hope that he can recover to begin his NFL career - I honestly feel for you. 

What possesses fans to get angry at a kid for getting injured is beyond me... Labeling him a "bust" or a waste or anything like that is ridiculous. If he never plays it sucks for all involved, but putting that on the kids shoulders who has absolutely no control over it and wants nothing more than to go out and produce/entertain/win for us.... It's silly and stupid.

his career isn't over. He'll come back from this. It's incredibly unfortunate and it's frustrating for all involved that now a 2nd season may go by without seeing this kid, but it'll heal and he'll be back. 

And he WILL produce for this team. It may not be until year 4 or 5 that we see what he really is and get the return on the investment... But he will suit up and produce. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Bottom line 5-11

5-11 is the bottom line on last season but not the bottom line on that discussion.  

We werent 5-11 last year bc we took Mosley in '14 and Perriman in '15.

if you're saying Perriman and then bottom line 5-11, than it follows that in '14 when we made the "mistake" of not picking a WR in the "best WR draft ever", bottom line we made the playoffs won the wild card round and should've beat the SB champs to play in the AFCCG. 

Pretty good bottom line for such a huge mistake. 

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Hope the kid gets better. He will. 

And we've got other weapons to move fwd with. The bottom line on this season is returning to health. 

The real bottom line on 5-11 was health. Plain and simple... Not all these crazy what if scenarios where every average joe and Monday morning GM thinks they have the answers. 

In this reality a healthy '15 Ravens don't go 5-11. And the '16 Ravens will make the playoffs. And I prefer that reality to the alternative ones, like the teams who actually made the "right" decisions and don't contend year in and out.

lets keep the convo on Perriman... A Raven, who every fan should want to see get better and back on the field. Professional athletes are the only people that can miss work due to something completely out of their control and get berated and blamed for it. 

Imagine if anyone here got in a bad car accident and got severely injured to where they had to miss extended time at work - and then on top of it had to deal with public outcry of how you're a bum, a wasted talent, and a terrible hire. 

Man it's ridiculous. 

[Winchester]

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

5-11 is the bottom line on last season but not the bottom line on that discussion.  

We werent 5-11 last year bc we took Mosley in '14 and Perriman in '15.

if you're saying Perriman and then bottom line 5-11, than it follows that in '14 when we made the "mistake" of not picking a WR in the "best WR draft ever", bottom line we made the playoffs won the wild card round and should've beat the SB champs to play in the AFCCG. 

Pretty good bottom line for such a huge mistake. 

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Hope the kid gets better. He will. 

And we've got other weapons to move fwd with. The bottom line on this season is returning to health. 

The real bottom line on 5-11 was health. Plain and simple... Not all these crazy what if scenarios where every average joe and Monday morning GM thinks they have the answers. 

In this reality a healthy '15 Ravens don't go 5-11. And the '16 Ravens will make the playoffs. And I prefer that reality to the alternative ones, like the teams who actually made the "right" decisions and don't contend year in and out.

lets keep the convo on Perriman... A Raven, who every fan should want to see get better and back on the field. Professional athletes are the only people that can miss work due to something completely out of their control and get berated and blamed for it. 

Imagine if anyone here got in a bad car accident and got severely injured to where they had to miss extended time at work - and then on top of it had to deal with public outcry of how you're a bum, a wasted talent, and a terrible hire. 

Man it's ridiculous. 

I have nothing against him. But it is time for a different plan at WR. I do believe he was a reach but you know as well as anybody I rooted for him to be a legit #1. I'm not to crazy about the ravens previous 4 drafts. Couple players I like but overall do not like them. This draft I really like. And if ravens contend it will be cuz of this draft. I wanted Rashard Robinson!!! I really believe he is going to be the best in this draft and one of the best in the nfl. When I say 5-11 it just means any way you cut the deck it is a bad hand.  I never really completely trusted perriman to play this year. It is the engine behind my clamoring the ravens should of drafted Malcolm Mitchell and Demarcus Robinson in round4. I really believe them to be top50 talents available in round4. As i think Chris Moore is as well. So ravens could finally nip this receiver thing for Sure and be done with it!!  All those guys have the skills to be #1 WRs. And the best WRs will get the reps. To be honest I like Chris Moore as much or better than perriman. Maybe now ravens could trade a round6 for Marqise. Still very talented but little nagging injuries he fell behind talented receivers.  I do not really trust Wallace at 30 and always being one trick. And SS is 37 coming off achilles. I would not count on Aiken repeating. I like Chris Moore and Maxx to be major players and Campanaro if he can avoid nagging injuries. Irritates me even more now ravens did not snag at least 2 WRs in round4!! 

As for Perriman he is getting flack cuz many peeps think he was a reach to begin with. I remember on here nobody really cared for him leading up to the draft. So naturally when he did not work out a lot of people are venting their frustrations. 

[usmccharles]

Anyone who wants to complain about the FO taking him and his injuries:

"Perriman never had a significant injury at Central Florida, playing 39 games in three seasons. His durability was graded above average by scouts."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16153948/steve-smith-sr-defends-baltimore-ravens-teammate-breshad-perriman-vs-naysayers

Sometimes, its just terrible luck...which seems we get a lot. 

[jimmypowder]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Anyone who wants to complain about the FO taking him and his injuries:

"Perriman never had a significant injury at Central Florida, playing 39 games in three seasons. His durability was graded above average by scouts."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16153948/steve-smith-sr-defends-baltimore-ravens-teammate-breshad-perriman-vs-naysayers

Sometimes, its just terrible luck...which seems we get a lot. 

Plenty of warning signs this kid could have injury issues : 

 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-ucf-breshad-perriman-nfl-draft-0430-20150429-story.html

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Plenty of warning signs this kid could have injury issues : 

 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-ucf-breshad-perriman-nfl-draft-0430-20150429-story.html

are you talking about his Osgood-Schlatter disease?

or the ankle injury in High School?

Edited June 13, 2016 by usmccharles

[jimmypowder]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

are you talking about his Osgood-Schlatter disease?

Quotes from the article: 

"He'd run one good race and then would start limping," Brett Perriman said of his Breshad's early track days.

The pain was so severe, in fact, his father advised Breshad to take two years off from football before high school.

"I said let it heal because you're not gonna develop at this pace if it doesn't heal," Brett Perriman said. "'If you don't, you're gonna keep going through the same process.'"

 

This was a WARNING SIGN!

Edited June 13, 2016 by jimmypowder

[regz1997]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Bottom line 5-11

Bottom line: give any team injuries to their franchise QB, WR1, RB1, almost all their corners and their round one draft pick and it'd be a miracle if they won 5 games! 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Quotes from the article: 

"He'd run one good race and then would start limping," Brett Perriman said of his Breshad's early track days.

The pain was so severe, in fact, his father advised Breshad to take two years off from football before high school.

"I said let it heal because you're not gonna develop at this pace if it doesn't heal," Brett Perriman said. "'If you don't, you're gonna keep going through the same process.'"

 

This was a WARNING SIGN!

No, it's a bone disease that effects adolescents. Once theyre skeletal system becomes fully developed it no longer effects people in adulthood.

Its a warning sign if you dont understand the disease. If you do, you also understand there are no long term ramifications and one who suffers it during childhood is no more prone to injuries in adulthood.

[usmccharles]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

Quotes from the article: 

"He'd run one good race and then would start limping," Brett Perriman said of his Breshad's early track days.

The pain was so severe, in fact, his father advised Breshad to take two years off from football before high school.

"I said let it heal because you're not gonna develop at this pace if it doesn't heal," Brett Perriman said. "'If you don't, you're gonna keep going through the same process.'"

That was when he was a kid... I mean, seriously, you are talking junior high there, the kid was about 15ish.    I believe there is even a member on here with the same thing he has, its an adolescent problem that they grow out of.  If you want to relate it to what hes going through now, feel free. I Guess all those games he missed in college were a big warning sign then...oh wait....

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No, it's a bone disease that effects adolescents. Once theyre skeletal system becomes fully developed it no longer effects people in adulthood.

Its a warning sign if you dont understand the disease. If you do, you also understand there are no long term ramifications and one who suffers it during childhood is no more prone to injuries in adulthood.

Why would you use facts to make an argument?

[rmw10]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No, it's a bone disease that effects adolescents. Once theyre skeletal system becomes fully developed it no longer effects people in adulthood.

Its a warning sign if you dont understand the disease. If you do, you also understand there are no long term ramifications and one who suffers it during childhood is no more prone to injuries in adulthood.

It's amazing that people still don't get this.  While it can still affect adults, the issues are likely much less severe and virtually gone.  In either situation, I don't get why people are trying to pin blame on a non-contact injury, one that so many guys suffer, on a disease that had nothing to do with it.  People will try to pin blame on someone any way they can.  In reality, it's nothing more than an unfortunate situation for both Perriman and the team.

[jimmypowder]

Another quote:"Change and adversity became a common theme for Breshad Perriman during his teen years. He went to three different high schools in Georgia. His first school, Conyers' Heritage, started running a Wing-T offense during his sophomore year, which he says cut his production as a deep-threat receiver. The second school, Lithonia's Martin Luther King, had a senior stacked roster, but just as he started to find a rhythm at his final school, Arabia Mountain, he suffered a season-ending ankle injury during the third game of his senior year."

 

Who said he didn't  have injuries?

 

 

Edited June 13, 2016 by jimmypowder

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Another quote:"Change and adversity became a common theme for Breshad Perriman during his teen years. He went to three different high schools in Georgia. His first school, Conyers' Heritage, started running a Wing-T offense during his sophomore year, which he says cut his production as a deep-threat receiver. The second school, Lithonia's Martin Luther King, had a senior stacked roster, but just as he started to find a rhythm at his final school, Arabia Mountain, he suffered a season-ending ankle injury during the third game of his senior year."

 

Who said he didn't  have injuries?

 

 

haha, an ankle injury...in High School...alright man, ya got me. 

[jimmypowder]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

haha, an ankle injury...in High School...alright man, ya got me. 

Out for the year that year. Must have been a really bad injury as it was only the 3rd game of the season. 

 

I would never have picked him in the draft based on the info in that article. 

Edited June 13, 2016 by jimmypowder

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Out for the year that year. Must have been a really bad injury as it was only the 3rd game of the season. 

So your going to reach back to high school and point out an ankle injury, when the kid was 17 years old, rather than point out to the 39/39 games starting in college.  Is there even any water in your glass? Does it have a hole in it? 

[berad]

This was depressing. Saw it over the weekend and it was hard to actualize. This can't be happening again, right??

But, for however we all feel, you know Breshad is feeling it tenfold. I hope the prognosis comes back with good news. It's a shame for all of us but for Breshad it could be devastating. Heal up, BP.

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Out for the year that year. Must have been a really bad injury as it was only the 3rd game of the season. 

 

I would never have picked him in the draft based on the info in that article. 

And that's why you're not picking anyone.  You have access to some article off the internet.  The team has access to his full medical history and probably their own medical evaluation.

[jimmypowder]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

So your going to reach back to high school and point out an ankle injury, when the kid was 17 years old, rather than point out to the 39/39 games starting in college.  Is there even any water in your glass? Does it have a hole in it? 

Read the article . He had plenty of problems and a disease that may have weakened his knees in later life. Maybe thats why he's having knee problems know. Who knows though really. 

But to say there weren't any significant injuries in his sports career is false. The disease supposedly only affects the early years but who really knows if it didn't weaken his knees to an extent. After all, he's getting severely hurt in non contact drills. 

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Read the article . He had plenty of problems and a disease that may have weakened his knees in later life. Maybe thats why he's having knee problems know. Who knows though really. 

But to say there weren't any significant injuries in his sports career is false. The disease supposedly only affects the early years but who really knows if it didn't weaken his knees to an extent. 

Just to further that you do not understand the disease, it affects the patellar tendon, not the ligaments.