2016 Post Re-Draft who you taking?

[Winchester]

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That's it. Yeah. I'll take either of them over Mitchell And especially robinson. 

 

Thanks for clearing that up

Dude, you are off the reservation on this one. Burbridge is going to be out of his league in the nfl, like totally!! You definitely know your stuff better than i do on profiling all  rookies. But you totally for sure need to slow down on this one dude.  Burbridge is not nearly the athlete of Mitchell and Robinson. He is going to need toll money to get open in the nfl. But nfl dbacks are going to bully him and steal his toll money. Listenbee is very very raw. Just wait and see, Demarcus Robinson is one of those guys that will get open on sheer explosion,twitch and suddenness.  He is similar to Diggs in raw twitch and wr skills. Mitchell is a very good athlete as well. He waited on throws in college cuz of a bad qb. Brady will hit him in stride and allow him to play fast. He can play far faster than he showed in college. He showed it at times but the qb couldn't find him. These guys are going to make a dramatic entrance as rookies. If I'm right it is going totally suck ravens didn't get them

[ravensdan]

17 hours ago, Winchester said:

Dude, you are off the reservation on this one. Burbridge is going to be out of his league in the nfl, like totally!! You definitely know your stuff better than i do on profiling all  rookies. But you totally for sure need to slow down on this one dude.  Burbridge is not nearly the athlete of Mitchell and Robinson. He is going to need toll money to get open in the nfl. But nfl dbacks are going to bully him and steal his toll money. Listenbee is very very raw. Just wait and see, Demarcus Robinson is one of those guys that will get open on sheer explosion,twitch and suddenness.  He is similar to Diggs in raw twitch and wr skills. Mitchell is a very good athlete as well. He waited on throws in college cuz of a bad qb. Brady will hit him in stride and allow him to play fast. He can play far faster than he showed in college. He showed it at times but the qb couldn't find him. These guys are going to make a dramatic entrance as rookies. If I'm right it is going totally suck ravens didn't get them

Well your boy Mitchell was taken by the pats. He'll probably never see the field. Their worse than the Ravens at drafting and developing wrs. They always go with the vets. Because their whole offense is precision timing. Precision routes are required. That's why ocho never did anything. 

[ravensdan]

A lot of times it's not the guys talent but who takes him and how he's used and or developed. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On June 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Jacquouille said:

Great topic!

1st round: I'll keep Ronnie. He has a lot of progress to make to warrant a 6th pick, but at this point he was BPA. Only guy I would have considered was Hargreaves. 

2nd round (keeping the trades): Mckenzie Alexander. I don't know what it is that teams didn't like about Alexander, but to me getting him and 2 picks would have been pure theft. No offense KC, but to me Alexander was a top3 CB. 

3rd round: Bronson still. Don't think there was better value.

4th round: Tavon, Boehm, Higgins, Henry, Dixon. 

5th round: Judon still.

6th round: Reynolds, Matakevich. 

I agree I was praying for Alexander after the second trade back, he was insane potential, at worst he is a very good a lot or nickel corner 

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Well your boy Mitchell was taken by the pats. He'll probably never see the field. Their worse than the Ravens at drafting and developing wrs. They always go with the vets. Because their whole offense is precision timing. Precision routes are required. That's why ocho never did anything. 

 

4 hours ago, ravensdan said:

A lot of times it's not the guys talent but who takes him and how he's used and or developed. 

It is true that qb and system  play a role in a WRs maturity and production, talent is as important. Chad  Johnson was did not catch on tonthe system. But he was a shell of his prime in cinci. He could no longer win with sheer twitch and athleticism so the patsies couldn't run unique plays designed just for a freakishly athletic and sudden wr. Because Chad did not do anything anywhere after leaving cinci. He was even slowing down in cinci b4 arriving at the patsies. And the patsies system is precision and very unique but the busts at WR never did anything for any rival teams. The system made it hard but the WRs were not very good to begin with.Belicheat flat out is as terrible as Ozzie Decosta at drafting WRs. Several teams have test drove the theory that patsie WRs fail cuz of the complex system by trying out their wrs. And none of the WRs made any noise elsewhere. Mitchell I hope I'm wrong cuz I do not want to see him flourish for them. And I'm rooting for their system to conflict this time with an actual skilled WR.

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, ravensdan said:

A lot of times it's not the guys talent but who takes him and how he's used and or developed. 

This.  Elite talent will prevail, but a lot of players need someone to help develop their talent, hence coaching. 

[Italian Raven]

1) Deforest Buckner, DT
2) Mackensie Alexander, CB
3) Shilique Calhoun, OLB
4) Reshard Higgins, WR
4t) Andrew Billings, NT
4t) Alex Lewis, G/T
4c) Kenneth Dixon, RB
4c) Cole Tone, T
5t) Matt Judon, DE
6) Tyler Matakevich, ILB
6c) Maurice Canady, CB

[Winchester]

So after trading next yrs round1 and round 3 for an extra 2,3,4 this draft here is the lineup and trading back into round4 with remaining picks round5-7

1Ron Stanley,2NoahSpence,2Sua Cravens,3Coleman,3Kufusi,4T.Young,4Chris Moore,4Malcolm Mitchell,4Will Henry,4Demarcus Robinson,4Rashard Robinson,4Kenneth Dixon

Fills every need with pro bowl caliber skill set. Oline is a strength with depth and a legit #1 WR will come out of the pack and ravens will finally have a legit #1 that is drafted by the ravens and have his career in front of him. As opposed to a 30+ patch job receiver that was thrown in the trash by his former team. I know trading next yrs round1 pick is not popular. However what is the point of having a losing season and going into the off season having to fill glaring voids that played a big role in a losing season. Why not anticipate and fill those voids/needs this off season. As opposed to the chance of a losing wasted season and going into the off-season hoping to fill voids and compete in 2017. That is quite a run of talent for one draft. I would consider some tweaks. Like conjure up a plan to maybe turn Spence into Correa and Ngakoue. And if ravens keep the 3-4 it could be hard to find a role for kufusi. He is not an interior player that will flourish as a 3-4 defensive end. And he will need to cut 16-20lbs of bad weight and show he can play rush olb in the 3-4. So it could be a consideration to sub out kufusi. Although I do like Kufusi and he has utter MASSIVE potential if he cuts 16-20lbs of fat and replaces it with about 10lbs of fast twitch muscle. But his best and maybe only fit could be the 4-3 defensive end with potential to be as good as Jared allen. But if he carefully cuts 16-20 lbs of fat he will be athletic enough to play rush olb in the 3-4 if he can catch on. Thsts enough talent here. Coach these guys up and compete for a championship. 

 

[RaineV1]

Right after the draft I really would have picked Higgins in the 4th over Moore. But the more I see of Moore the more I like him. He could be a better fit for Flacco.

[Jacquouille]

On 16/6/2016 at 2:18 AM, ravensdan said:

A lot of times it's not the guys talent but who takes him and how he's used and or developed. 

Same here. I feel like Moore is better at getting separation.

[Winchester]

Chris Moore is far better than higgins!! Higgins was good and athletic for his competition and system. He is going to get squeezed in the nfl. Chris Moore can win at all levels

[Edgar]

1) RONNIE STANLEY

2) MYLES JACK

3) JONATHAN BULLARD

Bullard is more a reflection of how I felt that night. I still like him a lot but I do like Kaufusi.

[Wildabeast88]

On June 9, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Winchester said:

Tunsil is all power and explosion. His feel for the position and offense is overrated.

I read he is having trouble cracking the Dolphins 2nd team as a G so as much as I liked Tunsil over Stanley I think this was the right pick I agree the 4th round was one of the best rounds ever Judon was a nice pick great value I like Reynolds. And getting Ochi as an UDFA was also great. I question the 2nd and 3rd a little bit but I think they could be good.

[Winchester]

26 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I read he is having trouble cracking the Dolphins 2nd team as a G so as much as I liked Tunsil over Stanley I think this was the right pick I agree the 4th round was one of the best rounds ever Judon was a nice pick great value I like Reynolds. And getting Ochi as an UDFA was also great. I question the 2nd and 3rd a little bit but I think they could be good.

I'm not a fan of Judon at all. But Tunsils struggles are no surprise. He can not bring his hips and legs forward with surge into the block To generate power. He uses all upper bod power to control and maul. But that is not going to work in the nfl. Ron Stanley uses variety of techniques where he recruits his legs hips ankles and upper body to control opponents. When he tacks on 12-14 lbs of muscle and some nasty rubs off on him he is going to be awesome. His ceiling is superior to Tunsils and it is not even close.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Using the picks the Ravens ended up with (so trading down):

1. OT Laremy Tunsil

2. CB Mackensie Alexander

3. OLB Jordan Jenkins

4. DT Andrew Billings

4. WR Malcolm Mitchell

4. DT Willie Henry

4. RB Kenneth Dixon

4. LB Kentrell Brothers

5. G Christian Westerman

6. WR Charone Peake

6. LB/S Jeremy Cash 

[Winchester]

21 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Using the picks the Ravens ended up with (so trading down):

1. OT Laremy Tunsil

2. CB Mackensie Alexander

3. OLB Jordan Jenkins

4. DT Andrew Billings

4. WR Malcolm Mitchell

4. DT Willie Henry

4. RB Kenneth Dixon

4. LB Kentrell Brothers

5. G Christian Westerman

6. WR Charone Peake

6. LB/S Jeremy Cash 

Not exactly all the picks I would take. But I like like it!! Could you reconsider Jenkins lol.

[rmw10]

Based solely on my board and making some adjustments for positions.  Only taking guys that are available after the pick and before the next pick, except in the 4th round.

1.  OT Ronnie Stanley (would have been Tunsil prior to the video)

2.  CB Mackensie Alexander (late 1st/early 2nd grade from me)

3.  OLB Shilique Calhoun (late 1st/early 2nd grade from me)

4.  DT Andrew Billings (2nd/3rd round grade from me)

4.  WR Chris Moore (late 3rd round grade from me)

4.  CB Zack Sanchez (late 3rd round grade from me)

4.  DT Willie Henry (late 3rd round grade from me)

4.  RB Kenneth Dixon (2nd/3rd round grade from me)

5.  OG Joe Haeg (4th round grade from me)

6.  WR Mike Thomas (5th round grade from me)

6.  ILB Elandon Roberts (5th round grade from me)

 

This is not to say I'm unhappy with the draft in any way.  My rankings just would have led to something different, not knowing what I know now.  While I may have had some guys a bit higher than what I chose here, I had to take positional value into account and that altered things a bit.

[Davesta]

Would anyone pick tajae sharpe over Chris Moore? Or is that all Titans hype

Edited June 19, 2016 by Davesta

[BmoreBird22]

15 hours ago, rmw10 said:

2.  CB Mackensie Alexander (late 1st/early 2nd grade from me)

3.  OLB Shilique Calhoun (late 1st/early 2nd grade from me)

These are definitely two of the picks that upset me the most to not land.

[Jacquouille]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

These are definitely two of the picks that upset me the most to not land.

I'm honestly okay with not getting Calhoun. I mean he's 24 and definitely not as refined as BF.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm honestly okay with not getting Calhoun. I mean he's 24 and definitely not as refined as BF.

I would disagree with not being more refined. I think Calhoun was one of the more refined pass rushers in the draft and improved drastically with his secondary and tertiary moves in 2015.

He just does not have that one elite trait to him, such as being extremely strong like Bosa or exceptionally fast like Floyd.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm honestly okay with not getting Calhoun. I mean he's 24 and definitely not as refined as BF.

Who is bf? 

Idk who you're referring to but Calhoun was one of the more refined rushers in this class.

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Who is bf? 

Idk who you're referring to but Calhoun was one of the more refined rushers in this class.

Kaufusi, who is also old but more NFL ready imo. You're right, refined is not the right word. He's technically good, but strength-wise he's awful and he lacks violence with his hands. Don't get me wrong, I liked him and 3rd round was good value, but I feel like his ceiling is low Tbh. His performance at the senior bowl was underwhelming.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Kaufusi, who is also old but more NFL ready imo. You're right, refined is not the right word. He's technically good, but strength-wise he's awful and he lacks violence with his hands. Don't get me wrong, I liked him and 3rd round was good value, but I feel like his ceiling is low Tbh. His performance at the senior bowl was underwhelming.

Ah. Kaufusi would be BK and not BF ftr lol. 

 

but yeah Calhoun has his issues. but I see a lot of suggs in him because he plays smart enough to not need to lean on brute force to finish, he sets up the tackle and uses their tendencies against them. He creates lanes by baiting, he knows If he makes move A, the tackle will make move B and calhouns move C beats move B, so he sets up the tackle and chains together rush moves to win. Suggs does this same thing. You just don't see that kinda stuff from rookies and it's impressive

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ah. Kaufusi would be BK and not BF ftr lol. 

 

but yeah Calhoun has his issues. but I see a lot of suggs in him because he plays smart enough to not need to lean on brute force to finish, he sets up the tackle and uses their tendencies against them. He creates lanes by baiting, he knows If he makes move A, the tackle will make move B and calhouns move C beats move B, so he sets up the tackle and chains together rush moves to win. Suggs does this same thing. You just don't see that kinda stuff from rookies and it's impressive

Wow, didn't even realize my mistake, sorry about that.

I agree, he's smart. He's also quick and has a good first step. But against NFL OTs he'll get exposed because once the T is in front of him it's over, he won't win with hands or a bullrush because he's way too weak, and basically if he doesn't win from the start he doesn't have the physical tools to make up for it. That's something that struck me at the senior bowl, he was completely manhandled. 

Edited June 20, 2016 by Jacquouille

[BmoreBird22]

I know the Ravens weren't going to touch him, but missing out on Jalen Mills is/was disappointing. 

I really wanted him in the fourth, but when he got all the way to the seventh, he was number one on my list.

Disappointing, to say the least, as he prepares to start

[GrimCoconut]

12 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know the Ravens weren't going to touch him, but missing out on Jalen Mills is/was disappointing. 

I really wanted him in the fourth, but when he got all the way to the seventh, he was number one on my list.

Disappointing, to say the least, as he prepares to start

I liked Mills. If only he didn't get that dumb charge while at LSU.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I liked Mills. If only he didn't get that dumb charge while at LSU.

He'd have been a way higher pick, but I just hate that they won't take a chance like that in the seventh when that pick probably won't amount to anything anyway.

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He'd have been a way higher pick, but I just hate that they won't take a chance like that in the seventh when that pick probably won't amount to anything anyway.

We'll have to see what happens with Canady because that's who we took over him. I really like his talent as a seventh round pick though--absolutely. I liked what I've seen from Canady though so I guess we'll see

[Jacquouille]

Didn't like Mills. I found him extremely slow.