2016 Post Re-Draft who you taking?

[usmccharles]

So, @Winchester and i were talking and we thought this might be a fun topic.  Most of us did mock dafts, others may have just read them.  So a re-draft could be fun since we now know where everyone went, so you have an idea to pick guys that were still available, Like you couldnt pick Nkemdichie with our second rounder because he already went, common sense right? we will see.  Also, dont do in any extra trades because then it turns unrealistic, So just pick with the picks the Ravens ended up with.  Please try to refrain from bashing the FO, we have plenty of threads already where thats happening, so...lets get to it....

1st Round- I like the Stanley pick, i even had him mocked to us in my last mock draft.  He could be protecting Joe the remainder of his career. 

2nd  Round- Su'a Cravens.  I loved this guy, i really think he could of been a huge impact for us paired with Mosley. 

3rd Round- I like the Kaufusi pick after reading about his measurables and him being a freak athlete, maybe our version of Julius Peppers, hopefully. 

4th Round - These players i dont know much about, but i like what we did in the fourth and i think we will have two studs from that group in Dixon and Lewis.  I like the potential of Moore but us drafting a WR makes me pretty sketchy, for obvious reasons. 

5th Round- I like the Judon pick...

6th Round- Im ok with Reynolds, he seems to have a way to make big plays and find the endzone.  But, incase you guys remember a guy i was in love with, Jakeem Grant was still available.  I think he could of been our return specialist and even give him some screens, a Darren Sproles if you will, just faster.  He ran a 4.3, he is tiny, but i really think he could of changed what we did on special teams.  Who knows, maybe Reynolds can be that guy. 

So in all, i really liked our draft, I would have loved to have Ngaoukue somewhere, but Cravens just reminds me of the Honey Badger.  Stanley isnt a sexy pick, but you win games with your Lines, i never wanted Tunsil, he just reminds me of a guy who is going to battle injuries every year.  I think we added some play makers and good depth at the same time.  So what would you guys have done. 

[Winchester]

I really liked most of ravens picks. I'm deciding on some minor tweaks and skimming through games to finalize who I'm replacing Alex lewis with. Interesting you have Cravens replacing Correa. Especially with coaching putting Correa at ilb. A more experienced ilb that is very good in coverage makes a lot of sense. I mean, I believe Correa has the speed,intensity and intellect to be a sideline to sideline tornado. And I really like him at olb if ravens move to a 4-3 scheme because he will really excel at blitzing. But if ravens leave him at ilb, a more natural and experienced lb like Cravens  that excels at coverage in the modern dart throwing league is more ideal.

[Winchester]

If I were drafting for the ravens I would tweak the picks. I would consider trading out of 6 for extra picks with this being a deep draft.

 

Round1 pick6 I would consider trading Down for extra picks. But without knowing what we could get for the pick the pick would be left tackle. I'm not holding marijuana against a young player if he has not failed any drug tests in a couple yrs. There is a difference in smoking it at a party and a pothead like Blackmon. With that said it will not mean I would pick him over Ron Stanley. It means it is not a clear easy decision to pick stanley like some are making it out to be. I do believe Stanley if he gets as strong as Tunsil or even close will be the better tackle. However Tunsil is the put together batteries included product out of the box. As opposed to Ron Stanley will need some charging up. He has to get stronger. That is not optional. I would pick Ron Stanley but only once he is brought in to ravens facility for a visit. And he is put through a short but intense weight training session to see how he handles it. Is it something he takes to and looks comfortable doing. And looks like something he will do every day to get stronger. Then hit protein shakes and a strict nutritional regimen every day to get stronger for the edge rushers he will play in the nfl. It is a legit excuse his college schedule got in the way of such a program. If he looks motivated to hit the weights hard and nutritional programs to get stronger, then Ron Stanley is the pick. If he gets stronger he could be all pro considering all his attributes. If not then Tunsil or trade down are the options. If there is a trade down It would be cool to get a mid-late round 1 as well as a round 2 and round 3 pick. With additional round 2 and 3 picks to go With the round4 picks the ravens could reload impact talent in one draft if cards are played right. If we were to trade down to mid late round1 then I would consider Nkemdiche. The freakiest talent in this draft, arguably anyways.

 

Round 2. Have to go with Spence or jack. Correa is the more pro charged up lb (out of he and spence) if the ravens are converting  a 4 -3. Which in that case Correa could be considered. With Jack's injury Correa would be considered and likely pick if jacks injury is serious. He could be a real difference making 3down fearsome olb in the 4-3 that excels at blitzing. But if we're talking edge rusher olb in the 3-4 scheme then have to go with Spence in that case. Closest to the prototypical rush olb in the draft.   Lb skills can be taught and matured. Raw edge rush skills can not. Once again if were talking pure ilb if ravens remain a 3-4 defense then trading down to pick up a round 4 pick and grabbing Deion Jones is an option as well.

Round 3 is where it gets interesting. IF trading down in round1 and picking up extra picks then with that pick ideal would be S. Coleman. He has as much raw skill as Stanley and Tunsil. Very athletic with top shelf power. 

Round 3. With original round 3 pick I'm going with Kufusi and tweaking his body for edge rusher olb in ravens 3-4 scheme and edge rush end if ravens run the 4-3. I would have trainers give him special attention and push him to train hard and tweak his nutrition to cut 16-20 lbs of fat while tacking on 10-14 lbs of functional muscle. The goal is to get him at a leaner and faster/more athletic yet stronger 280lbs. He will then be a man among boys at edge rusher.

Round 4 gets really interesting.I would not change draft picks t. Young, Chris moore, and total draft steals Dixon and Will Henry............

Edited June 4, 2016 by Winchester
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[Jacquouille]

Great topic!

1st round: I'll keep Ronnie. He has a lot of progress to make to warrant a 6th pick, but at this point he was BPA. Only guy I would have considered was Hargreaves. 

2nd round (keeping the trades): Mckenzie Alexander. I don't know what it is that teams didn't like about Alexander, but to me getting him and 2 picks would have been pure theft. No offense KC, but to me Alexander was a top3 CB. 

3rd round: Bronson still. Don't think there was better value.

4th round: Tavon, Boehm, Higgins, Henry, Dixon. 

5th round: Judon still.

6th round: Reynolds, Matakevich. 

Edited June 4, 2016 by Jacquouille

[January J]

I like what we did. It's hard not to speculate whether we should have taken Jack or Spence but we will soon find out. For some reason (not just bc I want it to) I think this draft will be looked back on as the cream of the crop and become the new standard of great drafts. I  feel like we got some under the radar guys that will be looked back on 5 years from now and we will be saying "wow, how did oz know?" 

That being said it it would have been hard for me to pass up Alexander in round 2.  I wasnt thrilled about the Judon, Moore or Henry picks. I would have tried to get rishard Higgins instead of moore,  and I'd have to do more homework to see who I'd take over the others,  but if I recall correctly Scooby Wright fell pretty far so we should've nabbed him or another ILB.

Edited June 5, 2016 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

Assuming all things remained the same...

1. Same

2. Su'a Cravens

3. Kendall Fuller

4. Same. Probably one of the most impressive fourth rounds I've seen based on who went in the fourth in total.

5. Depending on what they do with Correa, I felt like Brothers would have been a good get. However, assuming they got Cravens, I really like the upside of Judon. 

6. Someone like DeAndre Houston-Carson, Mike Thomas, or Dadi Nicolas for me here.

[Sami84]

Tunsil - only because he's the best prospect i've seen in years talent wise in his position. Stanley is solid though. I'm pretty sure he was our pick before the video as ozzie and co had a higher football grade on him than stanley.

Chris Jones

Bronson Kaufusi

Tavon Young

Malcolm Mitchell

Spencer Drango

Willie Henry

Kenneth Dixon

Matt Judon

Reynolds

Kalen Reed

 

[BmoreBird22]

38 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Tunsil - only because he's the best prospect i've seen in years talent wise in his position. Stanley is solid though. I'm pretty sure he was our pick before the video as ozzie and co had a higher football grade on him than stanley.

Got anything to support this? Ozzie and company said Stanley was in their top 5, if I'm not mistaken, and that Tunsil was top 15, so that doesn't sound like they had Tunsil graded higher than Stanley

[ravensdan]

The one player I would loved to have seen Adolphus Washington in the third. 

[Sami84]

57 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Got anything to support this? Ozzie and company said Stanley was in their top 5, if I'm not mistaken, and that Tunsil was top 15, so that doesn't sound like they had Tunsil graded higher than Stanley

 

you could see it in their faces during the questions at the press conference when asked..sadly they dont have the best poker faces.Even their responses didnt sound convincing in tone.

[Sami84]

Also, pretty much every FO had a higher football grade on tunsil..Stanely is one of the best prospects in years but tunsil IS the best prospect since Joe Thomas. (although Joe THomas was even better than tunsil as a prospect)

[BmoreBird22]

27 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

you could see it in their faces during the questions at the press conference when asked..sadly they dont have the best poker faces.Even their responses didnt sound convincing in tone.

So you have nothing but speculation over body language?

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

Also, pretty much every FO had a higher football grade on tunsil..Stanely is one of the best prospects in years but tunsil IS the best prospect since Joe Thomas. (although Joe THomas was even better than tunsil as a prospect)

That video alone did not change all those teams minds. Actually the teams knew Tunsil was a ticking time bomb before nkemdiche threw him under the bus. DJ stated the teams knew about his issues before that so no one video did not cause that drop alone. What's questionable to me was how nkemdiche issues were well documented but Tunsil was protected until late. Why?

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So you have nothing but speculation over body language?

watch the tape..he's better. When asked DIRECTlY harbs didnt say they had stanley ranked higher than tunsil...he just said Stanley was Way up there..top tier etc.

Sorry but yes...the body language and facial expressions told me that they indeed had tunsil as their top choice before the video surfaced.

[BmoreBird22]

46 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

watch the tape..he's better. When asked DIRECTlY harbs didnt say they had stanley ranked higher than tunsil...he just said Stanley was Way up there..top tier etc.

Sorry but yes...the body language and facial expressions told me that they indeed had tunsil as their top choice before the video surfaced.

You're just making inferences and have literally nothing to go on. 

Could have felt defeated because they put in probably 100+ hour weeks leading up yo this and are exhausted. 

Several reasons why they might have that body language

Besides, with Tunsil, that offense did him many, many favors.

Edited June 5, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[ravefan52]

Tough game to play because one different pick can cause a whole domino effect on the rest of the draft. But here's what I would have done.

 

1. Tunsil

2. Spence

3. Kaufusi

4. Young

4. Henry

4. Dixon

4. Kentrell Brothers/Judon

6. Mike Thomas

7. Kalan Reed

 

I didn't include the trade back picks from our 2nd rounder because I wouldn't have traded back, but we theoretically could have just traded back once and got the 5th and Spence.

Edited June 6, 2016 by ravefan52

[ravefan52]

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Tunsil - only because he's the best prospect i've seen in years talent wise in his position. Stanley is solid though. I'm pretty sure he was our pick before the video as ozzie and co had a higher football grade on him than stanley.

Chris Jones

Bronson Kaufusi

Tavon Young

Malcolm Mitchell

Spencer Drango

Willie Henry

Kenneth Dixon

Matt Judon

Reynolds

Kalen Reed

 

You couldn't get Chris Jones with Malcolm Mitchell and Judon. Jones was gone once we traded back from our original 2nd. Small thing, but yeah

[Winchester]

On 6/4/2016 at 0:55 AM, Winchester said:

If I were drafting for the ravens I would tweak the picks. I would consider trading out of 6 for extra picks with this being a deep draft.

 

Round1 pick6 I would consider trading Down for extra picks. But without knowing what we could get for the pick the pick would be left tackle. I'm not holding marijuana against a young player if he has not failed any drug tests in a couple yrs. There is a difference in smoking it at a party and a pothead like Blackmon. With that said it will not mean I would pick him over Ron Stanley. It means it is not a clear easy decision to pick stanley like some are making it out to be. I do believe Stanley if he gets as strong as Tunsil or even close will be the better tackle. However Tunsil is the put together batteries included product out of the box. As opposed to Ron Stanley will need some charging up. He has to get stronger. That is not optional. I would pick Ron Stanley but only once he is brought in to ravens facility for a visit. And he is put through a short but intense weight training session to see how he handles it. Is it something he takes to and looks comfortable doing. And looks like something he will do every day to get stronger. Then hit protein shakes and a strict nutritional regimen every day to get stronger for the edge rushers he will play in the nfl. It is a legit excuse his college schedule got in the way of such a program. If he looks motivated to hit the weights hard and nutritional programs to get stronger, then Ron Stanley is the pick. If he gets stronger he could be all pro considering all his attributes. If not then Tunsil or trade down are the options. If there is a trade down It would be cool to get a mid-late round 1 as well as a round 2 and round 3 pick. With additional round 2 and 3 picks to go With the round4 picks the ravens could reload impact talent in one draft if cards are played right. If we were to trade down to mid late round1 then I would consider Nkemdiche. The freakiest talent in this draft, arguably anyways.

 

Round 2. Have to go with Spence or jack. Correa is the more pro charged up lb (out of he and spence) if the ravens are converting  a 4 -3. Which in that case Correa could be considered. With Jack's injury Correa would be considered and likely pick if jacks injury is serious. He could be a real difference making 3down fearsome olb in the 4-3 that excels at blitzing. But if we're talking edge rusher olb in the 3-4 scheme then have to go with Spence in that case. Closest to the prototypical rush olb in the draft.   Lb skills can be taught and matured. Raw edge rush skills can not. Once again if were talking pure ilb if ravens remain a 3-4 defense then trading down to pick up a round 4 pick and grabbing Deion Jones is an option as well.

Round 3 is where it gets interesting. IF trading down in round1 and picking up extra picks then with that pick ideal would be S. Coleman. He has as much raw skill as Stanley and Tunsil. Very athletic with top shelf power. 

Round 3. With original round 3 pick I'm going with Kufusi and tweaking his body for edge rusher olb in ravens 3-4 scheme and edge rush end if ravens run the 4-3. I would have trainers give him special attention and push him to train hard and tweak his nutrition to cut 16-20 lbs of fat while tacking on 10-14 lbs of functional muscle. The goal is to get him at a leaner and faster/more athletic yet stronger 280lbs. He will then be a man among boys at edge rusher.

Round 4 gets really interesting.I would not change draft picks t. Young, Chris moore, and total draft steals Dixon and Will Henry............

To pick up where we left off. I'm not really in love with the round5 and later players. Except Mcgovern, Lashaun Sims and peake. With that said I would package the picks and get back into round4 and take Reshard Robinson. He is the best cornerback in the draft. T. YOUNG IS very underrated as well. He is very comparable to janoris Jenkins and Chris Harris. If ravens did not trade down from the #6 overall pick for some extra picks then I have an alternative idea. I really like the mid rounds of this draft. I mean it is loaded with players that have round1 traits. So with that said I'm trading next year's #1 to a team like Cleveland or Dallas for several picks in rounds 2-4. With the round2 pick I would take Cravens or Deion jones. Unless ravens got Correa in round2 cuz in really believe his future is at lb. But if ravens take Spence then a 3 down cover lb is needed. Unless ravens plan on signing somebody or pulling off a trade. In round3 the pick would be Coleman. He has similar skills to Tunsil and Stanley. He is very strong and athletic. He could play tackle or guard. His power is similar to KO. Ravens oline would be quite set. In round4 ravens would pick up one of Malcolm Mitchell and Demarcus Robinson. And putting Alex Lewis back on the shelf. I know it seems a little crazy to draft 3 WRs in round4. However all  3 have a complete skill set. There is nothing wrong with healthy competition. And the best WRs will play!! Ravens have not drafted a stud WR ever!! In like 20 drafts now!!  And it is time to fix it for sure!! As much as I like Chris Moore, Mitchell and Robinson have top shelf skills as well. Coleman and the 2 WRs in the mix with Ron Stanley,Chris Moore and Dixon gives the ravens more young offensive talent than ever!! I know peeps do not like the idea of giving up a round 1 pick but picking #6 this year is tempting to teams to give up several mid round picks to hopefully get an extra top10 pick. If ravens could get a 2-4 and add Cravens or Deion Jones, Coleman and Malcolm mitchell, then that is quite a run of talent to get this draft!! And not having any glaring voids. Some may say not having a round sucks. But it is better to have backup plans for injuries and busts. If Perriman and Campanaro is injured again and Wallace lost a couple steps then there is 3 fast skilled WRs. IF Ron Stanley struggles til he adds muscle then there is a backup plan at tackle. Not to mention Cravens is the hybrid physical coverage lb the ravens need badly. Putting this talent together now favors having a 7-9 season or worse and having to go into the off-season trying to fix holes and wait til 2017 season to compete. If ravens have holes and struggle out of the blocks then it is a wasted season and we have to go into the off-season hoping to fix holes and wait til the next season. This way there is a one draft reload. And this deep draft presents a rare opportunity to really load up on talent. A run on talent like Stanley,Cravens,Spence,Kufusi,Coleman,Young,Chris Moore,Malcolm Mitchell,Will Henry,Reshard Robinson,Demarcus Robinson,and Dixon could make for an all time great draft!!  If ravens could not get a round 2 as part of the trade then some of the picks could be adjusted. Because there are additional players in rounds 3 and 4 I like. I like this draft so much I would even consider trading next year's round2 for a couple extra round4 picks. 

If ravens got a nice offer for pick#6 for a load of picks Coleman could be an option at left tackle. Could of maybe even traded down several spots and still get Tunsil. But drafting Stanley then trading next yrs #1 for extra picks is the route I would go. I know it is a less traveled backwoods route but that is where you see and learn cool new stuff.This draft is so deep in rounds 2-4 and ravens picking #6 this year could temp a team to take a shot at a top10 pick next yr and trade several picks. Ravens have yet to draft a stud WR and Moore,Robinson and Mitchell could all he studs!! Then ravens have trade bait!!

[rmcjacket23]

On 6/5/2016 at 6:38 PM, Sami84 said:

watch the tape..he's better. When asked DIRECTlY harbs didnt say they had stanley ranked higher than tunsil...he just said Stanley was Way up there..top tier etc.

Sorry but yes...the body language and facial expressions told me that they indeed had tunsil as their top choice before the video surfaced.

Textbook example of why I mock people who make projections and opinions based on the "eye test".

Your eyes lie to you, and they deceive you. Especially when you don't understand what you are looking at.

[Winchester]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Textbook example of why I mock people who make projections and opinions based on the "eye test".

Your eyes lie to you, and they deceive you. Especially when you don't understand what you are looking at.

So what would you suggest how to make projections. I agree the eye test is only part of the equation. If you believe he is wrong then counter him and explain. You can't just say somebody has no idea what he is looking at. Explain. I'm open to different opinions on the matter. Me personally, Harbs looked dejected when discussing tunsil. But again,only part of the equation

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, Winchester said:

So what would you suggest how to make projections. I agree the eye test is only part of the equation. If you believe he is wrong then counter him and explain. You can't just say somebody has no idea what he is looking at. Explain. I'm open to different opinions on the matter. Me personally, Harbs looked dejected when discussing tunsil. But again,only part of the equation

Why should I have to explain when the people making the claims never explain themselves? Here's a few examples of this in particular just from the person I quoted: 

" you could see it in their faces during the questions at the press conference when asked..sadly they dont have the best poker faces.Even their responses didnt sound convincing in tone"

What's the basis for this? Why does any human being not trained to do so think that they have the ability to read a person's face and tell when they are lying? What, did they watch a YouTube video on body language and "tells" and anoint themselves an expert in the field?

"watch the tape..he's better." 

Again, what's the basis for this? What training and background gives you the ability to watch the tape and tell which player is better? Why is your opinion valued higher than that of people who are paid and have shown the ability to evaluate players better?

" tunsil IS the best prospect since Joe Thomas"

Again, what's the basis for this? More eye test? More of fans thinking they are better talent evaluators than people who have proven to be great ones?

This is why when a FAN starts spewing off about the eye test, I don't take it seriously. Because they never explain why their "eye" actually knows and understands what its looking at. 

Edited June 9, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Moderator 3]

Could we please return to discussing who you would take, not whether or not a person's opinion is worth considering?  Thank you.

[BmoreBird22]

I really bought into Tunsil heavily until a few days before the draft when I began to really buy back into Stanley. I think Tunsil has some serious work to do in the NFL before he's gonna be tearing it up the same way he did in college.

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I really bought into Tunsil heavily until a few days before the draft when I began to really buy back into Stanley. I think Tunsil has some serious work to do in the NFL before he's gonna be tearing it up the same way he did in college.

Tunsil is all power and explosion. His feel for the position and offense is overrated.

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Tunsil is all power and explosion. His feel for the position and offense is overrated.

Doesn't even have that great of leg strength, but I do feel like when he remains patient, his hand placement and usage is well above average

[Winchester]

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Doesn't even have that great of leg strength, but I do feel like when he remains patient, his hand placement and usage is well above average

His legs are strong enough. His upper bod is very strong and he has really good movement skills. He is already charged up out of the box. But I maintain Ron Stanley is more technically sound and has the brighter potential. This is a very interesting thread. Would be cool to see some participation. This is everybody's opportunity. Who did you like best at all the ravens picks. I get it. This is the best draft in a while. But everybody has their tweaks and ideas. I took it further and traded next yrs round1 pick to load up the roster with talent for a championship run this season. A change I could make is find a way to add correa. If ravens run a 4-3 I do believe he is going to make for an awesome strong side 3down LB whose blitzing will seriously stress opponents. 

[Winchester]

Well the recent news about Perriman means ravens once again need young legit WRs. Unless Chris Moore and Campanaro take the league by tornado which if injury free I believe can and should. Moore and Campanaro are The most skilled on the roster that can consistently get open. I'm not putting stock in the undrafted ones on the roster. NEWAYS  that is the reason I liked the idea of scrapping Alex Lewis  trading back into round4 for Malcolm Mitchell or Demarcus Robinson. Ravens have been to terrible at drafting and maturing a legit #1 WR. And I preferred to grab 3 or at least 2 complete WRs that are potentially #1's. Reynolds is only a slot hopeful. I'm talking Chris moore, Malcolm Mitchell and Demarcus Robinson that can win on all levels and mature into #1 WRs. Chris Moore and Mitchell were underrated and Robinson is a top shelf talent that was a little dramatic in his early college yrs. Not having legit playmakers has costed at least one championship trophy. And ravens have been there to long to Not of produced legit playmakers. It is ridiculous. And I favored drafting several round1-2 talents in round 4 as potential steals. And the most productive and explosive of the young trio will start.

[JoeyFlex5]

I would've taken burbridge over any of those guys. Along with that fast guy, I can't remember his name but grim was clamoring for him.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would've taken burbridge over any of those guys. Along with that fast guy, I can't remember his name but grim was clamoring for him.

Kolby Listenbee

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Kolby Listenbee

That's it. Yeah. I'll take either of them over Mitchell And especially robinson. 

 

Thanks for clearing that up