Any reports on chris moore and kenneth dixon in otas?

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, BallSoHard10 said:

I just think chris moore looks similar to Torrey Smith, by his playing abilities and his dreads

Maybe it's just me, but I truly think Chris Moore is a better route runner with potentially as much ability to get open deep as Torrey starting out. I think he carves himself a good spot with the Ravens as a long term #2/3 receiver.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, BallSoHard10 said:

I just think chris moore looks similar to Torrey Smith, by his playing abilities and his dreads

I think Moore appears a lot more complete than torrey but with a lot less speed. He needs to work on his game a good bit because he has some good traits but not great ones, and he can't lean on speed like a crutch so he will need to be well rounded. 

 

He could be better than torrey because he catches the ball much better, but they're both deep specialists and torreys speed blows Moore's away.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Moore appears a lot more complete than torrey but with a lot less speed. He needs to work on his game a good bit because he has some good traits but not great ones, and he can't lean on speed like a crutch so he will need to be well rounded. 

 

He could be better than torrey because he catches the ball much better, but they're both deep specialists and torreys speed blows Moore's away.

Perriman if 100% is faster and better at catching than Torrey ever was as well. Still raw route running there. But to be honest Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith had more speed than Perriman and Moore combined. But Perriman and Moore I see have a better chance of actually being used elsewhere rather than just being told to run straight. I still believe Perriman has the tools to become a complete wide receiver in this league 2 years down the road and I believe Moore can exceed expectations and become a #3 for us here in a couple years.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Perriman if 100% is faster and better at catching than Torrey ever was as well. Still raw route running there. But to be honest Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith had more speed than Perriman and Moore combined. But Perriman and Moore I see have a better chance of actually being used elsewhere rather than just being told to run straight. I still believe Perriman has the tools to become a complete wide receiver in this league 2 years down the road and I believe Moore can exceed expectations and become a #3 for us here in a couple years.

I don't even think perriman is worth mentioning because I think he's in a totally separate class from torrey lol. Moore and torrey is very fair for comparison though, and didn't jacoby only run like a mid 4.4? I could be wrong but idk, if that's the case then you're talking a low 4.4 and a mid 4.4(one being halfway through his career so likely he lost a step) compared to a 4.3(i call perriman 4.3 on account of it being a pro day time) and Moore's 4.5 then it's pretty much a wash on speed, and the hands and sharper all around game make the new duo look a lot more promising.

[trevorsteadman]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't even think perriman is worth mentioning because I think he's in a totally separate class from torrey lol. Moore and torrey is very fair for comparison though, and didn't jacoby only run like a mid 4.4? I could be wrong but idk, if that's the case then you're talking a low 4.4 and a mid 4.4(one being halfway through his career so likely he lost a step) compared to a 4.3(i call perriman 4.3 on account of it being a pro day time) and Moore's 4.5 then it's pretty much a wash on speed, and the hands and sharper all around game make the new duo look a lot more promising.

Yeah I just said Perriman for the comparison between the two of our deep threats now and two from the 2013 Super Bowl. Add in Mike Wallace and on paper our deep threats are better now than ever. But problem is paper is very deceiving and we won't know till the regular season. I think people said Perriman ran even a 4.19 at the pro day or something like that but that was unofficial. I don't see much between a 4.4 and a 4.5 because most corners also run those so it is more about route running to get open. But not many cornerbacks can run a 4.3. Some players are faster in pads than they are running in a straight line in shorts. 

 

To think that we have Perriman, Wallace, Steve Smith, and Aiken that are all good enough to be starters or have been is insane. I think a lot of people forget Perriman was lining up opposite of Steve Smith last year and was constantly getting open. Looking at measurables and speed he and Kevin White were really similar but Perriman was faster and more raw. With Aiken, Wallace, and Perriman, Steve Smith can stay in the slot where he is best. And to think we have 4 possible starters at tight end to go along with that... We may not have super stars but we may be able to give everyone reps to keep fresh feet.

[Jacquouille]

I don't think it's fair to compare Torrey to Moore. Just because they're too different. I know Moore was labeled as a deep threat but that is not what he will be in this league. He's got good hands and catch radius however, and I see a Jermaine Kearse type of WR. I'm very optimistic for Moore.

[Kinda_Dante]

On ‎6‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 11:12 PM, Daft Classic said:

I mean is it too much to ask for the second coming of Emmitt Smith...

Is it too much to ask for Moore to be Jerry Rice?

[Daft Classic]

9 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Is it too much to ask for Moore to be Jerry Rice?

Lets temper our expectations here. At least the next Calvin Johnson

[Kinda_Dante]

52 minutes ago, Daft Classic said:

Lets temper our expectations here. At least the next Calvin Johnson

You're right what was I thinking 

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

You're right what was I thinking 

I was thinking more Randy Moss because freakishly fast athlete who did the work down the field with freak catches. I think that's tempered expectations, right?

[Daft Classic]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was thinking more Randy Moss because freakishly fast athlete who did the work down the field with freak catches. I think that's tempered expectations, right?

Yeah but its not an irrational comparison if it somehow makes sense

[Winchester]

Chris Moore's game speed is about even to torrey's. Chris Moore pulled away from Eli Apple who ran a 4.40 and Jackson who ran 4.37. And Chris Moore's Sharp sudden routes are going to surprise everybody!! Somebody mentioned him running upright and not much forward lean. That is not a bad thing. As a matter of fact it is awesome he runs upright!! A wr that runs top speed upright and can maintain speed has a huge advantage because he can do all the things a receiver needs to do in catch and track position. That is a huge advantage over a wr that needs forward lean to maintain his speed or cut because the upright receiver can track and catch the ball. Much like Randy moss could run up right and wave he is open while adjusting to the throw.  That is how Chris Moore roasts top cornerbacks and can make him look bad. He can run top speed in track and catch mode which puts him in better position to catch and run. The cornerback has to transition while Chris Moore is already in position to make the catch.

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Daft Classic said:

Yeah but its not an irrational comparison if it somehow makes sense

I was watching a highlight video of Randy Moss from college and it was just unfair.

If the Ravens ever found a receiver like him, I think Hell would freeze over.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Chris Moore, it's your freaking time to shine. Go prove me wrong you one trick pony you. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Chris Moore, it's your freaking time to shine. Go prove me wrong you one trick pony you. 

i dont think hes as much of a one trick pony as some might think... he already looks more well rounded than torrey. his routes are actually pretty freaking good and he climbs the ladder very well. lets hope hes as much of a steal as i think he could be...

[RaineV1]

Chris Moore is like Torrey with better route running and more physicality. If Moore lives up to his potential, him and Wallace on the outside could be great.

[Jacquouille]

Yeah I just watched some Moore tape/higlights and his game speed is definitely not a 4.53, he outran Apple and his 4.40. Also I think he can have a devastating slant, à la Doug Baldwin.

[RaineV1]

One thing I really like when watching Moore video is that he tracks the ball. He slows down when he has to for it, he jumps up for it, and he'll turn to be in better position. That's something that Ravens' receivers haven't been great at in the past.

[usmccharles]

28 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Chris Moore is like Torrey with better route running and more physicality. If Moore lives up to his potential, him and Wallace on the outside could be great.

 

12 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

One thing I really like when watching Moore video is that he tracks the ball. He slows down when he has to for it, he jumps up for it, and he'll turn to be in better position. That's something that Ravens' receivers haven't been great at in the past.

is it just me or does he not body catch that much?

[RaineV1]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 

is it just me or does he not body catch that much?

Yeah, he tends to actually catch it with his hands rather than trying to body catch. You see him reaching out for the ball a lot.

[usmccharles]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, he tends to actually catch it with his hands rather than trying to body catch. You see him reaching out for the ball a lot.

Yea, that's one thing I could not stand about Torrey.  Don't get me wrong I liked what Torrey did for us, but he didn't attack the ball in the air near enough.  Although, I remember the playoff game against the Broncos, his second TD was a thing of beauty. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah I just watched some Moore tape/higlights and his game speed is definitely not a 4.53, he outran Apple and his 4.40. Also I think he can have a devastating slant, à la Doug Baldwin.

Moore may not have Torrey's 40 speed, but that doesnt translate for all players. His acceleration when needed looks insane on tape. And he sets up the deep route incredibly well.

Maybe in an out and out race he'd lose to Torrey. But i bet if you asked Torrey to stay with him on a route he would blow by him. He's just very sudden, kind of lulling you in and then he just bursts past at the right time to create space for the catch. As you said, on tape he blows past guys with much faster recorded 40 times. IDC what his 40 was if he gets behind the D and makes catches.

Plus as others are saying, hes a much better route runner. Routes are rarely a straight line going full speed, and a lot of fast guys in the dash are much slower in games bc they waste steps and lose speed when changing direction or cant start/stop as well.

Moore just has this knack for getting open, especially deep. And the opportunity has opened up for him to make an impact. Routing for him big time.

[Jacquouille]

Reports on Kenneth Dixon are good, think it was the Sun saying he had the quivkest feet of all RBs. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

39 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Reports on Kenneth Dixon are good, think it was the Sun saying he had the quivkest feet of all RBs. 

Yea, yesterday he supposedly had a really good day. Broke a bunch of long runs in 11on11 work, consistently hit holes with authority and decisiveness. Also was sharp catching the ball out of the back field.

From what i heard he looked the best of all the RBs yesterday... though im also hearing Buck ran really well too.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea, yesterday he supposedly had a really good day. Broke a bunch of long runs in 11on11 work, consistently hit holes with authority and decisiveness. Also was sharp catching the ball out of the back field.

From what i heard he looked the best of all the RBs yesterday... though im also hearing Buck ran really well too.

Now that we're at it, it's been in my mind for a long time, would you (not you in particular) enjoy it of we ran in commity instead of having a true lead back, like a cow bell?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Now that we're at it, it's been in my mind for a long time, would you (not you in particular) enjoy it of we ran in commity instead of having a true lead back, like a cow bell?

Lol... "Cow Bell' back. WE NEED MORE COW BELL. I got a feva, and the only prescription is more cow bell. You know, im like everyone else. I put my pants on one leg at time - just when I do I make gold records!

 

Sorry, a little fun at your expense. Its a "bell cow" back. And i dont have a preference one way or the other as long as its effective. Some guys get better as the game goes on and need volume carries to really get going. If we have a guy like that and he can handle the load - I'm fine with it.

It looks like we're going to have 3-4 really good players at RB, so if its best to rotate them all or have them playing different roles to keep them fresh and let them specialize in what they're best at - Im totally fine with that too. Whichever is going to be best for the team is what i want.

[ravensdan]

I would expect Dixon to take over as the lead back sooner than later. 

[Tiznut]

On June 13, 2016 at 2:20 AM, usmccharles said:

Yea, that's one thing I could not stand about Torrey.  Don't get me wrong I liked what Torrey did for us, but he didn't attack the ball in the air near enough.  Although, I remember the playoff game against the Broncos, his second TD was a thing of beauty. 

Torrey got better with time but yeah he wasn't a natural hands catcher.  Damn hard worker though. 

[ellicottraven]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea, yesterday he supposedly had a really good day. Broke a bunch of long runs in 11on11 work, consistently hit holes with authority and decisiveness. Also was sharp catching the ball out of the back field.

From what i heard he looked the best of all the RBs yesterday... though im also hearing Buck ran really well too.

I think the trio of Forsett, Dixon and Allen will be a fabulous group of RBs. If Richardson or the Towson kid really do well, it's going to be really hard on cut day.

[BmoreBird22]

I remember when Moore got drafted and people on here blasted it for more well known names. Now Moore is getting everyone excited. I like it.