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Warren Sapp explains his rude Timmy Jernigan tweet, but it doesn’t help much. Stop forgetting about Kamar Aiken. Five milestones Ravens can reach this year. Could Ray Rice get second NFL chance … off the field?

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I can relate to what Sapp is saying. I really don't think he cares if Timmy wears his number or not. I just think he is a little miffed that Timmy never called him.

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Hopefully Jernigan replicates Sapp's play on the field...But doesn't replicate the false-snitching, or the soliciting prostitutes, or the bankruptcy...

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Sapp's lucky he's even being mentioned by Jernigan. He had descended after a slew of recent incidents into the bowels of infamy. Jernigan made him somewhat relevant and respectable again by lauding you and that is your response?? SMH

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It's a bit on the funny side how every single RB taken by the Ravens in the mid-rounds is almost automatically labelled a potential steel of the draft - mostly by the Baltimore-related press though... Pierce was heralded as the all-but-guaranteed successor of Rice - he's on the street as a free agent currently, and may be out of the NFL. Then came Taliaferro, who was seen as the new Raven RB for long years to come, and do what Pierce couldn't - now he's almost universally regarded on the roster bubble. Then came Buck Allen, who was said to be pro-ready, the most talented RB taken by the Ravens in a ,long time, a potential start etc... - and then, although he proved he can be a good RB, he definitely didn't break out last season.

I can only hope Dixon will break the pattern.

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5 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

It's a bit on the funny side how every single RB taken by the ravens in the mid-rounds is almost automatically labelled a potential steel of the draft - mostly by the Baltimore-related press though... Pierce was heralded as the all-but-guaranteed successor of Rice - he's a free agent currently, and may be out of the NFL. Then came Taliaferro, who was seen as the new Raven RB for long years to come, and do what Pierce couldn't - now he's almost universally regarded on the roster bubble. Then came Buck Allen, who was said to be pro-ready, the most talented RB taken by the Ravens in a ,long time, a potential start etc... - and then, although he proved he can be a good RB, he definitely didn't break out last season.

I can only hope Dixon will break the pattern.

Interesting concept...

Its basically Chester Taylor (6th round) and Priest Holmes (UDFA). They are the only real highly productive RBs in franchise history that weren't high picks. Jamal Lewis was a 1st rounder, Ray Rice was a 2nd rounder, and Willis McGahee was a 1st rounder who we signed as a FA. Even Justin Forsett was a FA signing.

After that, you're getting down into the "meh" category of backs.

There really isn't much historical precedence for us "hitting" on mid-round or late round RBs. We got a lot of "change of pace" kind of guys, but not really any workhorses long term.

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It's a bit on the funny side how every single RB taken by the ravens in the mid-rounds is almost automatically labelled a potential steel of the draft - mostly by the Baltimore-related press though... Pierce was heralded as the all-but-guaranteed successor of Rice - he's a free agent currently, and may be out of the NFL. Then came Taliaferro, who was seen as the new Raven RB for long years to come, and do what Pierce couldn't - now he's almost universally regarded on the roster bubble. Then came Buck Allen, who was said to be pro-ready, the most talented RB taken by the Ravens in a ,long time, a potential start etc... - and then, although he proved he can be a good RB, he definitely didn't break out last season.

I can only hope Dixon will break the pattern.

The Ravens have been known as a team that likes to run the ball and continue to run it throughout the game, no matter the score. A team that has great success throughout their history, which leads people to believe anyone that runs the rock will be a top notch fantasy football stud. I too, take a Raven Rb on all my fantasy teams. My plan is to swoop in on Dixon in the middle rounds and stash him to about week 6. He will be great in ppr leagues and maybe carry me to a championship!

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I can relate to what Sapp is saying. I really don't think he cares if Timmy wears his number or not. I just think he is a little miffed that Timmy never called him.

Everybody in society today is so "busy" they can't find the time to call. Everybody of small character uses the "I was busy excuse." Timmy J. needs to call Sapp - we all need a phone call especially when your a little down and out.

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that PFF's Chase Howard is shooting BBs in the dark. His backup picks are a TE from San Diego and Cleveland's Colmen? He might have a good choice with Elliot but RG3 isn't that great of a passer to make his rookie WR a OROY.

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WOW - Ravens Fans and Ravens Writers and their Eternal Optimism. I get it. I am one and I'm always optimistic.

It's just that the conversation about Offensive Rookie of the Year last year this time was about Max Williams. Not sure why that was, but it was about Max Williams. Now this year it's about Kenneth Dixon?????

I would think Breshad Perriman would be the best Fairy Tale Candidate for OROY. Definitely not the guy who will be challenging 3 other guys for snaps the whole regular season.

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It's a bit on the funny side how every single RB taken by the Ravens in the mid-rounds is almost automatically labelled a potential steel of the draft - mostly by the Baltimore-related press though... Pierce was heralded as the all-but-guaranteed successor of Rice - he's on the street as a free agent currently, and may be out of the NFL. Then came Taliaferro, who was seen as the new Raven RB for long years to come, and do what Pierce couldn't - now he's almost universally regarded on the roster bubble. Then came Buck Allen, who was said to be pro-ready, the most talented RB taken by the Ravens in a ,long time, a potential start etc... - and then, although he proved he can be a good RB, he definitely didn't break out last season.

I can only hope Dixon will break the pattern.

I, unfortunately, don't think Dixon will break the pattern, he will be like Monte Ball at best. Our chance to break the pattern was last year with Karlos Williams (5th round to the Bills) who I was praying the Ravens would take. If we keep picking these non-power RB we will continue the pattern. I wish Dixon the best and I hope he proves me wrong, I just see a lot of E-W running from him and not a lot of vision behind the line, Excellent vision in space, and tremendous when given a bit of space to build up steam.

Darkhorse candidate is West, who could break the pattern using the whole Native son angle, the Browns were stupid to take him just to spite us. I give him the highest already on the team chance to break the pattern this year. Native son angle can work well. Has anyone caught anything about him from the beat guys and gals? Like he looks like he has been in the gym constantly or similar?

I think Talliaferro is gone. I think that TR would be great if he could just.... You know, like everyone else, he will just have to keep the spirit and fight all odds, only way he will do it and ironically or just simply it is the route he must take to do it since that is the only way it can be done. He should talk with BP who seems like he has done that (I hope) from the WR route.

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6 hours ago, donkeyking64 said:

WOW - Ravens Fans and Ravens Writers and their Eternal Optimism. I get it. I am one and I'm always optimistic.

It's just that the conversation about Offensive Rookie of the Year last year this time was about Max Williams. Not sure why that was, but it was about Max Williams. Now this year it's about Kenneth Dixon?????

I would think Breshad Perriman would be the best Fairy Tale Candidate for OROY. Definitely not the guy who will be challenging 3 other guys for snaps the whole regular season.

"Redshirt OROY" maybe for BP [which would be the best thing for the team], technically he is a sophomore. If Dixon is OROY it will be because the passing game, likely though outside speed, opened up the running game. That is if Trestman sticks to the run/pass balance from the Kubiak offense. I don't fault Trestman for last year, there is a point at which you must change to throwing. What I would like to see is a breakdown of what was done last year in the first half of games, did they keep the balance? Getting only 2-3 YPC is fine in the first half if you are doing it to cause fear/threaten/induce anticipation that you will run later in the game at any time. I don't know where I would go to extract that kind of information. Does anyone know?

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40 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

The Ravens have been known as a team that likes to run the ball and continue to run it throughout the game, no matter the score. A team that has great success throughout their history, which leads people to believe anyone that runs the rock will be a top notch fantasy football stud. I too, take a Raven Rb on all my fantasy teams. My plan is to swoop in on Dixon in the middle rounds and stash him to about week 6. He will be great in ppr leagues and maybe carry me to a championship!

Perhaps you haven't played Fantasy Football long enough??

Here's a reminder for you. Several years ago, the league had a plethora of FEATURE running backs. I'm talking back around 2005, 2006. Back when Fantasy got real popular. In the last few years, there have not been as many FEATURE backs. The league did appear to be trending back to what things were before when you think about the Leveon Bells, the Todd Gurleys, "AD" obviously. Yes Marshawn Lynch retired, and Matt Forte is only occasionally healthy and and same story for Jamal Charles, and Ed Lacy has not shown the same promise as his rookie year, but you now have other potential FEATURE backs...guys with promise such as TJ Yeldon, Latavius Murray, Melvin Gordon, III maybe, Lesean McCoy still has great days ahead, as does Doug Martin. Can't forget about Demarco, David Johnson. Nevermind the out of nowhere play from Devonta Freeman who was actually expected to play behind rookie Tevin Coleman. Whether Ezekiel lives up to the hype or not, the league is back in the position of having more than 10 bonafide FEATURE backs.

Teams with tandems or Running Back Duos aren't the best option for Fantasy. Even if they are considered sleepers. A guy might play well one week and then he doesn't do anything for 4 weeks. And then of course he plays well the week that you bench him. It's a guessing game. I don't doubt that he can play well and be a sleeper, but to think that he'll win you a championship is Pie in the Sky man!

I don't see Dixon winning 85% of snaps over the incumbents on the roster and even if he did, I see the MAJORITY of our TDs coming from the 10 receivers we'll have on the roster - whether anyone of the 4 TEs or the however many WRs we'll have. You're probably better off going with a guy like Carlos Hyde as your sleeper because Baltimore does not have a FEATURE back right now. IN FACT, you're better off picking him up as a free agent and not in the draft.

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Let me translate/summarize these sections for everyone:  

"Obviously there are 10 other guys way more likely to win OROY, so here are some who totally won't but this guy needed 500 words for his PFF column."

"Social media is stupid and causes people to overreact all the time. Warren Sapp, in particular, should have never been given a nationwide audience."

"Kamar Aiken was only the #1 receiver by default last year, so yeah - he's probably not starting this year."

"Here is proof that most so-called milestones are totally meaningless. If Joe Flacco throws for 300 yards in the first game, we will proclaim that he's on pace to throw for almost 5,000 yards in the season because we don't understand how statistics works."

"Ray Rice is both good and bad."

 

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6 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

"Redshirt OROY" maybe for BP [which would be the best thing for the team], technically he is a sophomore. If Dixon is OROY it will be because the passing game, likely though outside speed, opened up the running game. That is if Trestman sticks to the run/pass balance from the Kubiak offense. I don't fault Trestman for last year, there is a point at which you must change to throwing. What I would like to see is a breakdown of what was done last year in the first half of games, did they keep the balance? Getting only 2-3 YPC is fine in the first half if you are doing it to cause fear/threaten/induce anticipation that you will run later in the game at any time. I don't know where I would go to extract that kind of information. Does anyone know?

I get it...Redshirt OROY...I know he is technically a sophomore, but I'm not sure if guys that never played a snap in their rookie season would not be considered for the award. I don't blame Trestman for anything. I thought he was just fine. No one in this league will ever be Gary Kubiak. Kubiak would make the Cleveland Browns look like a World Beater. I'm sure Hue Jackson can come close, but no one can compare to Gary Kubiak. It's tough gritty running and great passing. Most prolific offenses only have one....not both. So I'm good with Trestman.

I think the challenge for Dixon, like I said in a previous post, is that until he becomes the actual FEATURE back, he's just another offensive weapon. What awards will any football player get if they aren't the starter, or if they don't play all 3 downs????

If Dixon projects to be the starter, then maybe the idea of him as OROY makes a ton of sense. Obviously we'd have to wait till after training camp to make that projection. But as of right now, we are only predicting he makes the team because he was drafted in 2016 in the 4th round. And sure he will contribute, but barring injuries to other backs, he will likely be splitting time with the guys that make the team and of those guys that make the team, he'll be splitting time with the ones that don't fumble.

So it's hard to make any case for OROY in that regard, but it's also hard to make the case given that we have such a balanced offense. Juice the Fullback will be catching balls from the backfield for crying out loud!!!! How many more touches will the TEs and WRs have.

So it's hard for me to wrap my mind around him as OROY simply because of the system and personnel we have.

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Look Warren Sapp is simply saying that: " I have reached out to you. You say that you want to honor me but the best way to honor me is to have a friendship with me. Call me back- build a friendship and then it will mean a lot more when you do something like this- it always means more coming from a friend".

Sapp is looking at it from a relational stand point while I feel like Timmy is simply looking at it like - this is a dude that I loved the way he played and I want to model my style after him. I respect him as a player but that don't necessarily mean I think much of him as a person! Timmy is just honoring the way the man played the game... (Not honoring the man)!

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LOL @Sapp. What is he? A 14 year old girl whose crush never called her after a # exchange? Get a life, you fat soft. Anybody who "understands" where Sapp "is coming from" are just hyper sensitive. How pathetic. Timmy, wear any number you'd like. Sapp ain't Gretzky. Hahahaha. What a bunch of sissies we've become. A grown man whining because some dude didn't call or text. Hahahaha. Beyond belief

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Warren Sapps explanation reminded me of that conversation in Scary Movie 4 with Kevin Hart and Anthony Anderson (unless you a Zombie!) lol. What the heck did he just say? Whatever Sapp, the egg on your face is still there. GO RAVENS! 25

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  3 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

I can relate to what Sapp is saying. I really don't think he cares if Timmy wears his number or not. I just think he is a little miffed that Timmy never called him.

Everybody in society today is so "busy" they can't find the time to call. Everybody of small character uses the "I was busy excuse." Timmy J. needs to call Sapp - we all need a phone call especially when your a little down and out.

Now that's funny !
Uncle Warren just needs 1 little phone call !
Come'on Timmy......

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  3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The Ravens have been known as a team that likes to run the ball and continue to run it throughout the game, no matter the score. A team that has great success throughout their history, which leads people to believe anyone that runs the rock will be a top notch fantasy football stud. I too, take a Raven Rb on all my fantasy teams. My plan is to swoop in on Dixon in the middle rounds and stash him to about week 6. He will be great in ppr leagues and maybe carry me to a championship!

Perhaps you haven't played Fantasy Football long enough??

Here's a reminder for you. Several years ago, the league had a plethora of FEATURE running backs. I'm talking back around 2005, 2006. Back when Fantasy got real popular. In the last few years, there have not been as many FEATURE backs. The league did appear to be trending back to what things were before when you think about the Leveon Bells, the Todd Gurleys, "AD" obviously. Yes Marshawn Lynch retired, and Matt Forte is only occasionally healthy and and same story for Jamal Charles, and Ed Lacy has not shown the same promise as his rookie year, but you now have other potential FEATURE backs...guys with promise such as TJ Yeldon, Latavius Murray, Melvin Gordon, III maybe, Lesean McCoy still has great days ahead, as does Doug Martin. Can't forget about Demarco, David Johnson. Nevermind the out of nowhere play from Devonta Freeman who was actually expected to play behind rookie Tevin Coleman. Whether Ezekiel lives up to the hype or not, the league is back in the position of having more than 10 bonafide FEATURE backs.

Teams with tandems or Running Back Duos aren't the best option for Fantasy. Even if they are considered sleepers. A guy might play well one week and then he doesn't do anything for 4 weeks. And then of course he plays well the week that you bench him. It's a guessing game. I don't doubt that he can play well and be a sleeper, but to think that he'll win you a championship is Pie in the Sky man!

I don't see Dixon winning 85% of snaps over the incumbents on the roster and even if he did, I see the MAJORITY of our TDs coming from the 10 receivers we'll have on the roster - whether anyone of the 4 TEs or the however many WRs we'll have. You're probably better off going with a guy like Carlos Hyde as your sleeper because Baltimore does not have a FEATURE back right now. IN FACT, you're better off picking him up as a free agent and not in the draft.

This is a good post.

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2 hours ago, donkeyking64 said:

Perhaps you haven't played Fantasy Football long enough??

Here's a reminder for you. Several years ago, the league had a plethora of FEATURE running backs. I'm talking back around 2005, 2006. Back when Fantasy got real popular. In the last few years, there have not been as many FEATURE backs. The league did appear to be trending back to what things were before when you think about the Leveon Bells, the Todd Gurleys, "AD" obviously. Yes Marshawn Lynch retired, and Matt Forte is only occasionally healthy and and same story for Jamal Charles, and Ed Lacy has not shown the same promise as his rookie year, but you now have other potential FEATURE backs...guys with promise such as TJ Yeldon, Latavius Murray, Melvin Gordon, III maybe, Lesean McCoy still has great days ahead, as does Doug Martin. Can't forget about Demarco, David Johnson. Nevermind the out of nowhere play from Devonta Freeman who was actually expected to play behind rookie Tevin Coleman. Whether Ezekiel lives up to the hype or not, the league is back in the position of having more than 10 bonafide FEATURE backs.

Teams with tandems or Running Back Duos aren't the best option for Fantasy. Even if they are considered sleepers. A guy might play well one week and then he doesn't do anything for 4 weeks. And then of course he plays well the week that you bench him. It's a guessing game. I don't doubt that he can play well and be a sleeper, but to think that he'll win you a championship is Pie in the Sky man!

I don't see Dixon winning 85% of snaps over the incumbents on the roster and even if he did, I see the MAJORITY of our TDs coming from the 10 receivers we'll have on the roster - whether anyone of the 4 TEs or the however many WRs we'll have. You're probably better off going with a guy like Carlos Hyde as your sleeper because Baltimore does not have a FEATURE back right now. IN FACT, you're better off picking him up as a free agent and not in the draft.

All depends on the structure of your league. I'm not nearly as high on Dixon in his rookie year as this guy is, but in the event he basically starts earning touches at the second RB and primary pass catcher out of the backfield, he offers sneak value, especially in PPR-type leagues. The RB market is pretty shallow (as it has been for several years), so in deeper leagues with 12-14 teams or more, your 2nd RB or a flex RB likely aren't guys who are going to get more than maybe 8-10 touches in a game anyway. I wouldn't expect him to get that many, but if he ends up catching 3-4 passes a game and ends up with 40 total yards or so, you're looking at an 8-10 point scorer in PPR leagues. Not great, but you could do a lot worse in deeper leagues as well.

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In 2012 Joe Flacco didn't get the Offensive player of the year award, although he did end up with a Superbowl MVP award.!
This is really the only award worth having at the end of a season.

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3 hours ago, donkeyking64 said:

Perhaps you haven't played Fantasy Football long enough??

Here's a reminder for you. Several years ago, the league had a plethora of FEATURE running backs. I'm talking back around 2005, 2006. Back when Fantasy got real popular. In the last few years, there have not been as many FEATURE backs. The league did appear to be trending back to what things were before when you think about the Leveon Bells, the Todd Gurleys, "AD" obviously. Yes Marshawn Lynch retired, and Matt Forte is only occasionally healthy and and same story for Jamal Charles, and Ed Lacy has not shown the same promise as his rookie year, but you now have other potential FEATURE backs...guys with promise such as TJ Yeldon, Latavius Murray, Melvin Gordon, III maybe, Lesean McCoy still has great days ahead, as does Doug Martin. Can't forget about Demarco, David Johnson. Nevermind the out of nowhere play from Devonta Freeman who was actually expected to play behind rookie Tevin Coleman. Whether Ezekiel lives up to the hype or not, the league is back in the position of having more than 10 bonafide FEATURE backs.

Teams with tandems or Running Back Duos aren't the best option for Fantasy. Even if they are considered sleepers. A guy might play well one week and then he doesn't do anything for 4 weeks. And then of course he plays well the week that you bench him. It's a guessing game. I don't doubt that he can play well and be a sleeper, but to think that he'll win you a championship is Pie in the Sky man!

I don't see Dixon winning 85% of snaps over the incumbents on the roster and even if he did, I see the MAJORITY of our TDs coming from the 10 receivers we'll have on the roster - whether anyone of the 4 TEs or the however many WRs we'll have. You're probably better off going with a guy like Carlos Hyde as your sleeper because Baltimore does not have a FEATURE back right now. IN FACT, you're better off picking him up as a free agent and not in the draft.

I see Dixon becoming the lead horse by week six. I had Forte several years and he did very well, especially under Trestman. I expect Dixon to put up pretty good numbers with our new passing game and with an open box to run and catch. I would not risk taking him until I have 2 top backs in my stable. I don't view him as a Gurley, yet.

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I'm not buying the Kamar Aiken hype. Even Steve Bisciotti said that if you told him that Aiken would have over 900 yds, he would have told you that there must have been a lot of injuries. Aiken did not play well at all as a #2 when Steve Smith was healthy. He disappeared too often. He only started making catches consistently when Smith got hurt and we had no one else to go to. He's not an explosive threat, and he won't draw double teams to make anyone else's job easier. I think his route running and hands are good enough to keep him in the rotation, but not enough to keep a game changer off the field who can stretch the defense and open things up for the rest of the offense. The only way I see Aiken starting is if SSS gets hurt or can't return to form because of age and injury.

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So the whole Warren Sapp and Timmy Jernigan thing comes down to a slight or "disrespect" Sapp felt. Seriously, Jernigan should find a better role model. Sapp may have been a great talent on the field, but he's an absolutely piece of work off the field. Jernigan's promise has been slightly marred by his propensity to make some bone headed penalties that have cost this team lots of drives. Nothing like having a third and long wiped out by a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that not only revives the downs, but gives the team a boost in field position.

I'm a bit torn about the Ray Rice thing. Should a man's life be defined by one action? We knew Rice was a pillar in the community as far as his charity and all. Outside of this one incident as far as we know he's never done anything like this before. But the incident itself was reprehensible and then the way it was handled afterward was also rather poor on his end and some of the Ravens brass. I do believe in second chances. Everybody does something stupid in their lives I am sure they wouldn't want to be known for for the rest of their lives. I can only hope this was an isolated incident and that perhaps Ray can relate to some other young man and prevent something like this from happening to anybody else. Maybe instead of a position with the team in a formal capacity he can instead be the head of a counseling group and approach it that way.

I haven't forgotten about Aiken, but he was the recipient of a lot of fortune. Really he was the only WR that was at least semi-consistent. The Ravens literally had no other solid options. He made the most of his opportunity. There is a site out there that attributes him with only two drops for the entire season and I find that very hard to believe because I watch all the games and I seem to remember a lot more times than that the ball bounced off his hands while he was wide open. Smith was playing lights out before his injury. He'll still have a role on this team but I can't see a lot of formations with Smith and Aiken on the field at the same time if our speed options are healthy. I would tend to think that Perriman, Wallace, and Smith or Aiken would be the alignment. Maybe in a 4 wide I could see them both on the field. He's fantastic depth to have if nothing else.

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  4 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The Ravens have been known as a team that likes to run the ball and continue to run it throughout the game, no matter the score. A team that has great success throughout their history, which leads people to believe anyone that runs the rock will be a top notch fantasy football stud. I too, take a Raven Rb on all my fantasy teams. My plan is to swoop in on Dixon in the middle rounds and stash him to about week 6. He will be great in ppr leagues and maybe carry me to a championship!

Perhaps you haven't played Fantasy Football long enough??

Here's a reminder for you. Several years ago, the league had a plethora of FEATURE running backs. I'm talking back around 2005, 2006. Back when Fantasy got real popular. In the last few years, there have not been as many FEATURE backs. The league did appear to be trending back to what things were before when you think about the Leveon Bells, the Todd Gurleys, "AD" obviously. Yes Marshawn Lynch retired, and Matt Forte is only occasionally healthy and and same story for Jamal Charles, and Ed Lacy has not shown the same promise as his rookie year, but you now have other potential FEATURE backs...guys with promise such as TJ Yeldon, Latavius Murray, Melvin Gordon, III maybe, Lesean McCoy still has great days ahead, as does Doug Martin. Can't forget about Demarco, David Johnson. Nevermind the out of nowhere play from Devonta Freeman who was actually expected to play behind rookie Tevin Coleman. Whether Ezekiel lives up to the hype or not, the league is back in the position of having more than 10 bonafide FEATURE backs.

Teams with tandems or Running Back Duos aren't the best option for Fantasy. Even if they are considered sleepers. A guy might play well one week and then he doesn't do anything for 4 weeks. And then of course he plays well the week that you bench him. It's a guessing game. I don't doubt that he can play well and be a sleeper, but to think that he'll win you a championship is Pie in the Sky man!

I don't see Dixon winning 85% of snaps over the incumbents on the roster and even if he did, I see the MAJORITY of our TDs coming from the 10 receivers we'll have on the roster - whether anyone of the 4 TEs or the however many WRs we'll have. You're probably better off going with a guy like Carlos Hyde as your sleeper because Baltimore does not have a FEATURE back right now. IN FACT, you're better off picking him up as a free agent and not in the draft.

Teams also don't really seem to have that "Goal line" back anymore. I remember the days of the Redskins with Gerald Riggs. He was a big bodied RB who only touched the ball when it was very short and gaol and the guy scored 20+ TD's that one season. It was also something Marcus Allen prolonged his career with in Kansas City because he was just so adept at it.

It is now a lot more popular to go with "trees" on short and goal and to pass it in rather than to slam it if in from 4-5 yards out.

To me, I don't care how you score the football, just get me some darn TD'S!

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6 hours ago, PackinRavensHeat said:
8 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

I can relate to what Sapp is saying. I really don't think he cares if Timmy wears his number or not. I just think he is a little miffed that Timmy never called him.

Everybody in society today is so "busy" they can't find the time to call. Everybody of small character uses the "I was busy excuse." Timmy J. needs to call Sapp - we all need a phone call especially when your a little down and out.

Timmy should do what he feels is right not what others think.Sapp needs to take care of his life first but he has not done a very good job of that lately.

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7 hours ago, PackinRavensHeat said:
8 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

I can relate to what Sapp is saying. I really don't think he cares if Timmy wears his number or not. I just think he is a little miffed that Timmy never called him.

Everybody in society today is so "busy" they can't find the time to call. Everybody of small character uses the "I was busy excuse." Timmy J. needs to call Sapp - we all need a phone call especially when your a little down and out.

Agree. I know we're all too busy with our lives. So maybe each day each of us should ask ourselves who can I help today by doing a "little" thing, such as calling somebody who would probably be lifted by it.

Edited by RRRRRavens
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