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Watch out for injuries to NFL left tackles because it could trigger a Eugene Monroe trade. Ravens still face a ton of injury questions. Two AFC North teams make top-10 most talented rosters list. Ray Lewis is on a motivational speaking tour.

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[trevorsteadman]

#4 is stupid.

[ellicottraven]

Kevin Seifert has a huge pseudo intellectual issue. He believes he's smarter than he actually is and hence the ill founded sarcasm and half wit.

[RRRRRavens]

The notion of a Monroe trade at some point is an interesting idea. It prompts several speculative questions at this early part of the season.
1. If the trade offer comes in the middle of training camp how much would we have to get to take the trade?
2. If it's in mid-season and we are in a tight race for the playoffs and Monroe has been starting LT what would we ask. Or would we not trade at all?
3. If Stanley has won the starting LT but Monroe is the main back up do we risk trading him and lose our protection if Stanley goes down? If we do take the risk what should we ask for him.
4. What kind of team who has lost their starting LT would be wanting to trade? I think it would have to be a team in contention for the playoffs. Otherwise a lower ranking team would just wait till the draft next year. I also think that the later in the season the contending team loses their LT the higher price they will be willing to pay for Monroe.

What do the rest of you think?

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

The notion of a Monroe trade at some point is an interesting idea. It prompts several speculative questions at this early part of the season.
1. If the trade offer comes in the middle of training camp how much would we have to get to take the trade?
2. If it's in mid-season and we are in a tight race for the playoffs and Monroe has been starting LT what would we ask. Or would we not trade at all?
3. If Stanley has won the starting LT but Monroe is the main back up do we risk trading him and lose our protection if Stanley goes down? If we do take the risk what should we ask for him.
4. What kind of team who has lost their starting LT would be wanting to trade? I think it would have to be a team in contention for the playoffs. Otherwise a lower ranking team would just wait till the draft next year. I also think that the later in the season the contending team loses their LT the higher price they will be willing to pay for Monroe.

What do the rest of you think?
 

1. Mid-round pick. A 3rd or 4th rounder would probably get an instant yes from us. Realistically, as low as a 5th or maybe even 6th rounder may be enough to get it done, though not sure if we would take an offer like that this Summer. This time next year, we certainly would take anything.

2. Probably same price. Wouldn't probably trade him for a late rounder. Probably 4th rounder or better.

3. Yes. There are practically no teams in the league with actual solid "depth" at LT, because there are several teams who don't even have a solid starter at LT. The "protection" for Stanley is only going to last a maximum of one season anyway, since there's practically no chance Monroe is here in 2017. So we wouldn't risk losing out on a mid-round draft pick for "depth" for less than a full season.

4. Contender, yes.

[bioLarzen]

Maybe one day these people will comprehend that there's just no sense in making bold (or any kind of) predictions about the regular season and any roster-/helath-related claims this time of the year... When September is round the corner, then we can start predicting... until then it's just the same old nonsense.

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1 hour ago, RRRRRavens said:

The notion of a Monroe trade at some point is an interesting idea. It prompts several speculative questions at this early part of the season.
1. If the trade offer comes in the middle of training camp how much would we have to get to take the trade?
2. If it's in mid-season and we are in a tight race for the playoffs and Monroe has been starting LT what would we ask. Or would we not trade at all?
3. If Stanley has won the starting LT but Monroe is the main back up do we risk trading him and lose our protection if Stanley goes down? If we do take the risk what should we ask for him.
4. What kind of team who has lost their starting LT would be wanting to trade? I think it would have to be a team in contention for the playoffs. Otherwise a lower ranking team would just wait till the draft next year. I also think that the later in the season the contending team loses their LT the higher price they will be willing to pay for Monroe.

What do the rest of you think?
 

1. Mid-round pick. A 3rd or 4th rounder would probably get an instant yes from us. Realistically, as low as a 5th or maybe even 6th rounder may be enough to get it done, though not sure if we would take an offer like that this Summer. This time next year, we certainly would take anything.

I would even go out on a limb and say a 6th rounder is the best we can hope for Monroe in a trade - well, maybe a conditional 5th rounder... I don't think any GM will give up a 4th rounder for a player with an alarming recent injury history - especially at a position where quality backup is scarce... And remember, we only got a 6th rounder for Boldin and Ngata too... and neither were erspecially injury-rpone or troublesome players... And we only got a conditional 7th rounder, if I'm not m istaken, for Rolando McClain, who's not a bad player either... And while I totally understand that in Boldin's and Ngata's case it was more important to us to trade the player away while in Monroe's case, the other party may be in the need situation, that still doesn't seem to me a case where ve could even hope for an unconditional 5th rounder...

That said, I still think - let's call it my bold prediction - that Monroe will stick aorund in Baltimore and will start at LT, giving valuable time for Stanley to get his feet wet in the NFL, possibly at LG or RG. I somehow don't see Ozzie get rid of our -by-far best LT (when healthy) voluntarily until we have a PROVEN successor. We are not even in the usual tight cap situation that could force us to trade him, like it was with Ngata.

Edited June 1, 2016 by bioLarzen

[Minionhunter]

Perriman had a 4.24 Proday time, he had a hamstring and was absent from the combine. His time should be treated as a 4.34 official time since you should add 0.1 sec on to proday hand timed results. I really like him, I want him to succeed and do amazing things for us. I have his jerseys for my kids to wear. I think he is a blazing fast beast and our fastest player. However these things need to be kept in proper perspective.

[ajf3030]

To me, it makes zero sense to trade Monroe. Media talked heavily about how the injury to Flacco put an exclamation point on how important it is to protect the QB. The injury happened because our backup left tackle, who I believe is the worst player starting at any position in the entire league (when he starts) was pancaked into Flacco's knee. I am fully aware that Monroe has been 'injury-prone' and Ronnie Stanley has not, but it only takes one freak play for anyone to be knocked out for a year. If we trade Monroe (a good player when healthy), and Stanley gets hurt, we're right back to where we were when Flacco was being [un]protected by Hurst. I would understand if it was early in the offseason and we needed the cap space, but by now, almost all moves have been made, we're going to save even more money on this year's cap if/when Tucker gets an extension, and any signings between now and the start of the season are going to be low-money deals

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

I would even go out on a limb and say a 6th rounder is the best we can hope for Monroe in a trade - well, maybe a conditional 5th rounder... I don't think any GM will give up a 4th rounder for a player with an alarming recent injury history - especially at a position where quality backup is scarce... And remember, we only got a 6th rounder for Boldin and Ngata too... and neither were erspecially injury-rpone or troublesome players... And we only got a conditional 7th rounder, if I'm not m istaken, for Rolando McClain, who's not a bad player either... And while I totally understand that in Boldin's and Ngata's case it was more important to us to trade the player away while in Monroe's case, the other party may be in the need situation, that still doesn't seem to me a case where ve could even hope for an unconditional 5th rounder...

That said, I still think - let's call it my bold prediction - that Monroe will stick aorund in Baltimore and will start at LT, giving valuable time for Stanley to get his feet wet in the NFL, possibly at LG or RG. I somehow don't see Ozzie get rid of our -by-far best LT (when healthy) voluntarily until we have a PROVEN successor. We are not even in the usual tight cap situation that could force us to trade him, like it was with Ngata.

Probably yes. I was merely suggesting what deals the Ravens would absolutely take, not necessarily what deals would be offered to us. Obviously, if any team gave up like a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Monroe, we would take that deal in under a second, but that's obviously unlikely to happen. The sweet spot for me is a 4th or 5th round, which I think is mildly realistic and beneficial for us.

The Ryan Clady trade makes some sense for Monroe also... a 5th rounder for Monroe + a 7th rounder. In theory, we could do just a little bit better than that, since Monroe's injury history isn't as bad as Clady's has recently been (played 18 games the last three seasons, whereas Monroe has played 32) and Clady's contract at the time (since restructured) was a bit larger. He was due $9.5M this season, whereas Monroe is due $6.75M each year for the next two years. So you are arguably getting a healthier player at a cheaper price.

I get the Ngata and Boldin comparisons, but they're a bit different circumstances. They were both players that the entire league knew we were going to cut for cap space, and therefore the trade value diminishes when the league knows they would be FAs in a matter of days. With Monroe, we don't have to cut him this season if we don't want to. Its not about the cap space.

Edited June 1, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[jdynamite]

Seifert prediction definitely caught me as sarcasm, I laughed when I read it because everyone knows the Ravens rarely get that controversial call in their favor, or benefit from such a situation..

The one time we may have got the benefit would have been Ray rice vs Chargers 4th and 29 knee may been down just short of first down..

S.Holmes "Td catch where the ball never crossed the line".

when Urshel gave the motion he was eligible and refs didn't see it, called penalty and wiped out a first down play. 

The horrible call that cost the Ravens Jaguars game...

Ravens won the game but the SuperBowl black out right when the game was about to be blown open then a predictable comeback into a competitive game still annoys me lol. 

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, ajf3030 said:

To me, it makes zero sense to trade Monroe. Media talked heavily about how the injury to Flacco put an exclamation point on how important it is to protect the QB. The injury happened because our backup left tackle, who I believe is the worst player starting at any position in the entire league (when he starts) was pancaked into Flacco's knee. I am fully aware that Monroe has been 'injury-prone' and Ronnie Stanley has not, but it only takes one freak play for anyone to be knocked out for a year. If we trade Monroe (a good player when healthy), and Stanley gets hurt, we're right back to where we were when Flacco was being [un]protected by Hurst. I would understand if it was early in the offseason and we needed the cap space, but by now, almost all moves have been made, we're going to save even more money on this year's cap if/when Tucker gets an extension, and any signings between now and the start of the season are going to be low-money deals

I agree with this, though I should point out that solid depth at LT is almost impossible to find and sustain in this league, and its hard to see a scenario where Monroe and Stanley are both on this team in 2017. So, one way or another, the idea of having quality "depth" at LT is probably going to only last a maximum of one season here. After that, we will need to explore the draft and/or FA for depth there, which every team in the league is looking for and mostly unable to find.

Could be a case where, much like last season, our best option as a reserve LT is another lineman at another position. Somebody like Rick Wagner for example.

[jdynamite]

I really like John Clayton's prediction. I feel like Chargers, Colts could be a couple teams if their LT goes down maybe Monroe could be a trade option for a 4th or 5th round pick with Ravens adding in a 6th rounder. 

It would certainly be a win to unload the salary and get a draft pick back. 

 

On the injury news, Zuttah's injury could make way for Urshel to take that starting Center spot.  

Richardson's injury could really hurt his chances since it was already an uphill battle . He really has a lot to prove this offseason to make the roster cuts. 

[eze17]

Maybe one day these people will comprehend that there's just no sense in making bold (or any kind of) predictions about the regular season and any roster-/helath-related claims this time of the year... When September is round the corner, then we can start predicting... until then it's just the same old nonsense.

Aw, yer no fun...besides, the writer's need to talk about something this time of year and us poster's need something to disagree about...

[LifeofaRaven]

Tucker will be a Raven for life.

[eze17]

I'm more of the opinion we keep Monroe unless 1: Stanley looks phenonamal at LT and 2: We get offered at least a 4th-5th rounder in a trade for him. I really don't see a need to cut him cap-wise, at least not this year. Keeping Monroe does give us a healthy depth not just at LT, but spreads out along the whole O-line. As for people worried about having Hurst back as a reserve LT, I think Lewis knocks him off the roster to be a back-up tackle.

[Minionhunter]

Has anyone heard anything about Stanley so far in OTA's? That guy no one likes at the paper said he was getting tossed around by our D-linemen, not sure what to make of it. Other than that I couldn't find anything about him, and it seems suspicious to me since they are trying to bring out the positive in everyone right now.

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

Has anyone heard anything about Stanley so far in OTA's? That guy no one likes at the paper said he was getting tossed around by our D-linemen, not sure what to make of it. Other than that I couldn't find anything about him, and it seems suspicious to me since they are trying to bring out the positive in everyone right now.

He's not getting tossed around by anybody, considering these are non-contact training sessions.

[RRRRRavens]

Has anyone heard anything about Stanley so far in OTA's? That guy no one likes at the paper said he was getting tossed around by our D-linemen, not sure what to make of it. Other than that I couldn't find anything about him, and it seems suspicious to me since they are trying to bring out the positive in everyone right now.

Remember so far this season all that you are hearing about is coming from practice without pads. Meaning nobody is really pushing anybody very hard yet. When the pads go on and the real physical mano a mano starts you'll get a better picture of who can handle who. And you'll get an even better picture when we start playing preseason games against other opponents who are also trying to win spots on their teams.

[steelcityraven]

Keep our eyes on Will Davis.... the kid can play and if healthy he will greatly help out our DB's - if healthy and under the tutelage of Leslie Frazier he may just flourish. Also really excited to see how Waller adjusts to the TE position. He is a freak who could be a coverage nightmare for opposing DCs - Finally - I cannot wait to see the progression in much of our DL... BWilliams, TJernigan, CDavis, LGuy, BUrban, KLM- if each of these guys can take the next step, along with the addition of new comers Kafusi and Willie Henry- wpw/// we really could have one scary DL!

[Minionhunter]

Thanks RRRR and Jacket, I knew I shouldn't trust a thing that guy has to say.... Just needed someone else to confirm my inner suspicion I guess. Slow news week due to the practices being cancelled.

[RavensBaltimore]

I really don't see how they can put Pitta's situation in the "questions that have already been answered" category just because he is practicing. He was practicing last year and couldn't get clearance, and even if he does come back, we have no idea as to how he will hold up in NFL games with violent contact.

[ravefan52]

Steelers as the 2nd most talented team is ridiculous

[FLBoyRaven]

I don't see why ppl keep talking aboout Monroe we should back our starting LT and stop being so neg as if dude if horrible. We don't have any other options that would work right now Stanley would get eaten alive are you crazy. If we want to win games we need him Healthy and thats just it, other then that Eugene has been one of the better LT in the NFL. It's not easy finding guys like him. Another yr to prove that contract is all he needs. I think our O as a whole is better this yr and if not for him also being injuried week one last yr would have been a dramatic difference. We need to worry more about Joe playing better and finally being that elite QB then Monroe. Idk if it's just me but he still just holds onto the ball too long and get flustered too quick when pressured. I've seen wr get seperation throughout his career and he doesn't get rid of it on time. Which comes to my point not comparing Ryan Mallet to Joe but Mallet seemed to understand the importance of timing and getting rid of the ball quick before pressure gets there. Joe has no excuses this yr at all, I think he will have a career yr.

[JamesA119]

Tucker will be a Raven for life.

While I think Tucker is a great kicker, he wasn't great last year at all. He was 2/10 on kicks 50 yds or longer. He was much better his first 2 yrs. I think the Ravens brass has to be wondering if last year was an aberration. It wouldn't surprise me if they are trying to delay a long term contract and let him play this year on the franchise tag.

[harfordravenfan]

4 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Steelers as the 2nd most talented team is ridiculous

Glad it wasn't just me thinking that

[ravenwildman]

I would like to point out that "Bucky" Brooks has never ever ever EVER!... given the nod to the Ravens over the Steelers in anything.....ever! If he was to list teams alphabetically he would still put the Steeler first. So, take anything he writes with that in mind. GO RAVENS! 25

Edited June 2, 2016 by ravenwildman
grammer correction

[Winchester]

10 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Keep our eyes on Will Davis.... the kid can play and if healthy he will greatly help out our DB's - if healthy and under the tutelage of Leslie Frazier he may just flourish. Also really excited to see how Waller adjusts to the TE position. He is a freak who could be a coverage nightmare for opposing DCs - Finally - I cannot wait to see the progression in much of our DL... BWilliams, TJernigan, CDavis, LGuy, BUrban, KLM- if each of these guys can take the next step, along with the addition of new comers Kafusi and Willie Henry- wpw/// we really could have one scary DL!

Will Davis could totally be our best cornerback. And one of the better cornerbacks around the league. T. Young is very fiesty as well. He could be very good as a rookie. Not a Waller fan at all. In my opinion Davis will step up and be a valuable piece. But Jernigan and Henry will be breakout players that have to be accounted for. Kafusi could be a beast as well if he tweaks his body for rush olb and 43 defensive end positions. He could beva legit impact player as a rookie 

[trevorsteadman]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

Will Davis could totally be our best cornerback. And one of the better cornerbacks around the league. T. Young is very fiesty as well. He could be very good as a rookie. Not a Waller fan at all. In my opinion Davis will step up and be a valuable piece. But Jernigan and Henry will be breakout players that have to be accounted for. Kafusi could be a beast as well if he tweaks his body for rush olb and 43 defensive end positions. He could beva legit impact player as a rookie 

I think Waller now has an uphill climb to make the roster unless one of our tight ends go down with injuries. Both the wide receiver and tight end position groups are so crowded and he didn't really do much with his snaps last season.