Timmy Jernigan poised for a breakout?

[BmoreBird22]

21 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

Found another small article on SB Nation written on June 4, 2016 by Micheal Sedjro under the title " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. " Article is thin on detail, but comments beneath article is where the real meat of his piece is. Interesting read.

That site (BaltimoreBeatdown, I believe) is horrid to use generally because they don't spellcheck or grammar check, they do not provide any evidence or detail usually, and it's often an opinion that the writer wants to make fact with no backing.

Also, I read the comments and it was literally two guys arguing over whether or not gap alignment was a technique or not.

I hope no one is sourcing this as evidence that Henry is doing well.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If he's making claims about what these players are running or how they've looked very explosive and unstoppable, that SHOULD be something you can source.

I mean, if I had a friend that was a personal trainer of athletes and told me info, I wouldn't go around name dropping his name, but that's just me.  But I just learned not to really pay attention to when he says things like that. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, usmccharles said:

I mean, if I had a friend that was a personal trainer of athletes and told me info, I wouldn't go around name dropping his name, but that's just me.  But I just learned not to really pay attention to when he says things like that. 

I suppose, but I might say I have a friend who's a personal trainer at X gym and he talked to him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

53 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

We've been asking the first question for several months. I'll be shocked if you get a concrete answer on any of this.

The source is, apparently living in the same neighborhood as many players, scouts, trainers, etc....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

22 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

Found another small article on SB Nation written on June 4, 2016 by Micheal Sedjro under the title " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. " Article is thin on detail, but comments beneath article is where the real meat of his piece is. Interesting read.

This article is interesting in that it actually counts as sports journalism or analysis.

Thin on detail may be the understatement of the century.

The thesis of this article is basically.... Jernigan better watch it bc Henry dominated a RT in the 4th quarter when he was in college once! Man, really? Hand him the job!

Oh wait, Jernigan did that a lot in college too? And im sorry but i didnt see any meat in the comments either. It was one guy saying coaches are stupid for calling a DL a 7 tech bc theres no way a DL can play 7 gaps... and then when it was explained to him that playing 7tech means you're responsible for the "7 gap" refuted that no way, bc 7 refers to the number of gaps and technique refers to how you do it.... which i dont understand what that means at all.

Unless i read the wrong article - i didnt see anything of value offered anywhere.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

This article is interesting in that it actually counts as sports journalism or analysis.

Thin on detail may be the understatement of the century.

The thesis of this article is basically.... Jernigan better watch it bc Henry dominated a RT in the 4th quarter when he was in college once! Man, really? Hand him the job!

Oh wait, Jernigan did that a lot in college too? And im sorry but i didnt see any meat in the comments either. It was one guy saying coaches are stupid for calling a DL a 7 tech bc theres no way a DL can play 7 gaps... and then when it was explained to him that playing 7tech means you're responsible for the "7 gap" refuted that no way, bc 7 refers to the number of gaps and technique refers to how you do it.... which i dont understand what that means at all.

Unless i read the wrong article - i didnt see anything of value offered anywhere.

It's Baltimore Beatdown, it's full of crap. And their articles are empty af.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

It's Baltimore Beatdown, it's full of crap. And their articles are empty af.

Oh i know... was just refuting the post that said it was an interesting article that supported the idea that Henry is "blowing people away with his performance at camp" (though i wonder who these people are, because i havent heard a word on the subject... in fact all ive seen is that jernigan is killing it) and that there was meaty analysis on Henry in the comments.

There was just an argument over what a 7tech is with one guy clearly and utterly clueless. There wasnt anything of value anywhere.... which as you point out is par for the course with that site.

[rastaman831226]

17 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh i know... was just refuting the post that said it was an interesting article that supported the idea that Henry is "blowing people away with his performance at camp" (though i wonder who these people are, because i havent heard a word on the subject... in fact all ive seen is that jernigan is killing it) and that there was meaty analysis on Henry in the comments.

There was just an argument over what a 7tech is with one guy clearly and utterly clueless. There wasnt anything of value anywhere.... which as you point out is par for the course with that site.

Whoa fellas, slow down. These were just blog pieces from opinionated amateurs. Whether Henry is better than Jernigan remains to be seen. We've just seen OTA'S not camp. However, I really excited now to see if Henry can live up to this hype once the pads go on. And so should you. Until then, slow down.

[rastaman831226]

6 hours ago, Sami84 said:

lol...no

 

Adalius Thomas was a perfect specimen. Khalil Mack too. spence is sergio kindle and a poor mans with whitney merciulis. I have him as one of the busts of the draft.

Hey it's a draft. It's all a crap shoot. You might be right, you might be wrong. Ain't it fun?

[rmw10]

49 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh i know... was just refuting the post that said it was an interesting article that supported the idea that Henry is "blowing people away with his performance at camp" (though i wonder who these people are, because i havent heard a word on the subject... in fact all ive seen is that jernigan is killing it) and that there was meaty analysis on Henry in the comments.

There was just an argument over what a 7tech is with one guy clearly and utterly clueless. There wasnt anything of value anywhere.... which as you point out is par for the course with that site.

That's BaltimoreBeatdown for you.  I used to hop in there and post every now and then, but I don't do that anymore.  The writers and posters are equally bad.  Their writers get snippy when you bring up an alternate view point to their mostly opinion-based articles.

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

Whoa fellas, slow down. These were just blog pieces from opinionated amateurs. Whether Henry is better than Jernigan remains to be seen. We've just seen OTA'S not camp. However, I really excited now to see if Henry can live up to this hype once the pads go on. And so should you. Until then, slow down.

We're criticizing the site, not the hype over Henry. Henry is one of my favourite picks, like everyone. He has the tools to be an elite penetrator. On the other hands, Bal Beatdown just says he could steal Jernigan spot. 

1) There are 2 DE spots, so no.

2) That's all they say. Absolutely nothing to prove it, except he was good in the 4th quarter against MSU.

[Winchester]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

True but for a DT I can see his point, a major part of the success comes from the 1St step and the explosion of the snap. For an OLB, it is absolutely necessary to have that and a good bend. Technique comes with experience, both are necessary but what he basically implies is that you can progress a lot quickly by working on tour body, while you need time to refine your technique. 

 

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

As have I.  But to be fair... you never give your sources up, so I don't really know how I expected him to answer that question, but with some of the claims he has made, should be able to elaborate

Like I just stated ravens trainers talk to trainers he knows and those trainers talk to friends and trainers. Word gets around and sometimes it gets a little overstated. However when so much gets around about one player it must mean he is pretty awesome. Although word about him has been a heavy topic I was a little surprised at articles blurting out he is already better than jernigan. As for his technique sami, it is ota's and nobody has said anything about his technique. Not that I'm aware of anyways. And techniques comes with practice and experience.  What determines the player is the raw skill behind that technique. Many players come out of the box with top shelf technique but are not impact players much less top10 at their position. Derrick Morgan and Jarrett Johnson have good technique but solid players at best. As for seeing ravens players, hang out in federal hill,canton and fells point. Running into them becomes normal.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

Whoa fellas, slow down. These were just blog pieces from opinionated amateurs. Whether Henry is better than Jernigan remains to be seen. We've just seen OTA'S not camp. However, I really excited now to see if Henry can live up to this hype once the pads go on. And so should you. Until then, slow down.

Slow down?? I didnt see any speeding up... was just wondering where the interesting part of the article was, or the "meat" in the comments.

And, again, you say Henry "hype." Who, other than you, one other poster, and that article which only offered hype with no substance or credibility... is hyping Henry??

[rastaman831226]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Slow down?? I didnt see any speeding up... was just wondering where the interesting part of the article was, or the "meat" in the comments.

And, again, you say Henry "hype." Who, other than you, one other poster, and that article which only offered hype with no substance or credibility... is hyping Henry??

When someone writes " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. ", that sounds like hype to me. Blogger hype but hype none the less. No one will know if this is true until the real camp opens. But I can honestly say I'm more pumped to see how Willie Henry fairs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

20 minutes ago, rastaman831226 said:

When someone writes " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. ", that sounds like hype to me. Blogger hype but hype none the less. No one will know if this is true until the real camp opens. But I can honestly say I'm more pumped to see how Willie Henry fairs.

Im excited to see how he does too... but the title isnt hype unless its backed with something - a play in camp, some insight at practice, an interview with a coach... All that writer offered was a 4th quarter against a mediocre RT from MSU.

That qualifies as fanaticism and click-baiting. 

When i hear coaches heaping praise on him, then ill buy into it a little. Until then, ill remain cautiously optimistic.

[JimmyBlack]

We definitely need him to continue the progress that he showed during the later part of the season.  He has way too much potential not to be better this season.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Im excited to see how he does too... but the title isnt hype unless its backed with something - a play in camp, some insight at practice, an interview with a coach... All that writer offered was a 4th quarter against a mediocre RT from MSU.

That qualifies as fanaticism and click-baiting. 

When i hear coaches heaping praise on him, then ill buy into it a little. Until then, ill remain cautiously optimistic.

I'm cautious as well. But when you hear so much about a player from different people he must be pretty athletic and strong. Then there are numerous articles. Coaches will not say much til the pads are on. Even then may keep quiet if he is that good

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 hours ago, Winchester said:

I'm cautious as well. But when you hear so much about a player from different people he must be pretty athletic and strong. Then there are numerous articles. Coaches will not say much til the pads are on. Even then may keep quiet if he is that good

Yea, I keep hearing about these numerous articles... but all i can find it that one - which offers literally nothing in terms of substance to support the Henry Hype. Where are all these articles hyping Henry up?

Not because I want to denounce it, I sincerely hope that Henry is tearing it up at camp. But ive looked for anything to support it and i cant find them. I want to read them and get on board with the hype, bc i loved the pick and his potential. But the only articles i can find say that Jernigan is a changed player and has looked great in camp... which would only mean that if Henry is more impressive, he must be killing it...

But thats only empty hope until i see someone thats been at camp: a media member that was there sharing a first-hand account of practice, another player heaping praise on him, or a coach doing so. Without something like that - i dont understand why anyone is speaking as if its concrete fact that Henry is threatening Jernigans job; or honestly that hes even doing well at camp... because theres literally nothing to support those statements.

Edited June 14, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[PurpleCity5]

I think so, in fact, we need him to break out. I think Brandon Williams could potentially price himself out of town depending on what happens. I think we need him to be great so we have elite talent or something close to it on the DL with Williams potentially gone. 

[Tiznut]

I don't see Williams being priced out of the Ravens market. I think they'll make it work as he's part of the next gen of Ravens greats. 

[rastaman831226]

On 6/15/2016 at 2:20 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

I think so, in fact, we need him to break out. I think Brandon Williams could potentially price himself out of town depending on what happens. I think we need him to be great so we have elite talent or something close to it on the DL with Williams potentially gone. 

agreed.

[Jacquouille]

On 16/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Tiznut said:

I don't see Williams being priced out of the Ravens market. I think they'll make it work as he's part of the next gen of Ravens greats. 

So was McPhee imo. I sure hope he stays, but I doubt it, and that's why they took his replacement in C. Davis 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

So was McPhee imo. I sure hope he stays, but I doubt it, and that's why they took his replacement in C. Davis 

Well, McPhee was a high potential edge rusher. They always get bigger paydays. Massive, strong NTs usually don't get as much. Granted, he won't be cheap, but he won't have teams rushing in to give him giant paydays like with McPhee and KO.

[Tiznut]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

So was McPhee imo. I sure hope he stays, but I doubt it, and that's why they took his replacement in C. Davis 

McPhee was viewed as a sceme fit while Williams is viewed as an anchor.  Williams will take the place of ngata as a long standing linemen for the ravens. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 6/12/2016 at 5:22 PM, rastaman831226 said:

As I said before, Spence was a near perfect specimen. He has speed, power, and a variety of moves to go with it. As for his off the field activities, he tested positive for ecstacy, let me repeat that ecstacy not once but twice, kicked out of a Conference, not just his school, but kicked out of a Conference. That's pretty much enough to drop anyone in the draft. As for Bosa, Bosa's game is strictly power, he brings little else with his game and don't mistake him for J.J. Watt, Watt came into the league with power and a whole toolbag of moves.

Not only are you wrong about Spence, but also bosa and watt. Bosa is far more refined than watt was coming out, and is one of the most polished defensive linemen we have ever seen at the college level and watt was more of a physical specimen and motor guy rather than finished product.

[chunkywill25]

He was supposed to break out last year too. Either way, I'm excited to see what he does. He's definitely flashed his talent already