Timmy Jernigan poised for a breakout?

[ALPHA]

He has pro bowl talent but I think hes too injury prone, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he has a full season to put it all together.

Edited May 30, 2016 by ALPHA

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ALPHA said:

He has pro bowl talent but I think hes too injury prone, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he has a full season to put it all together.

With all the work he had to put in to get in this kind of shape, I think He should be rotated for a year. All that work years down your body and he needs to fresh or else he will end up injured. If jernigan stays rotated and fresh this year then next year should be a good time to really unleash him, having been a year removed from that weight loss can really help him avoid injury.

[RavensDieHard21]

Jernigan just needs to fight two huge flaws, which are mental errors and fatigue. He needs to be utilized properly and put in on more passing downs then early on. Not saying he isn't a solid run defender, but having a great pass rushing interior lineman is valuable. 

At roughly 6'2 and seeing his frame, he keep him energized and explosive, I'd hope his playing weight this year is in the 290 range. he played a lot at 305-310 in college and here and that additional weight just slows hims down. it will be easier on his joints with a 15ish pound relief and to be more solidly built. He can be a great perpetrator, but he needs to stay fresh. He also needs to cool it on late hits so we can get off that darn field! If he can do those both and his work ethic is 110% then we might have a 6+ sack season in store with a lot of QB hurries up the middle. I pray this happens

[Ravensfan23]

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

With all the work he had to put in to get in this kind of shape, I think He should be rotated for a year. All that work years down your body and he needs to fresh or else he will end up injured. If jernigan stays rotated and fresh this year then next year should be a good time to really unleash him, having been a year removed from that weight loss can really help him avoid injury.

I think the best thing to do is keep rotating the entire Dline and with the young talent they've stockpiled the Dline could be one of the best. 

Timmy, BW and Guy all have shown they can be solid to really good starters. Maybe even pro bowl in Timmy and BW's case.

I thought Urban started getting his feet under him at the end of the season and showed he could be a solid rotational piece. He way even be a dominate player if he can stay healthy and continue to develop using his length and strength to become a consistent pass rusher. 

Davis started strong but quickly found out that you can't just win because your bigger and stronger then everyone at the NFL level. It'll be exciting to see how Davis has adapted this year and if he can be a poor man's Ngata being able to move around inside and make his presence felt at different interior positions. 

Then there is Henry and Kaufusi. How quickly can those guys develop and add to the rotation of the front 7 players. I see the Ravens defense just being able to consistently use a fresh wave of players to attack offenses. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 5/29/2016 at 2:30 AM, Winchester said:

Not going to.lol. I Know somebody from florida that helps with recruiting and stuff. I actually did not find out about It til after ravens drafted him. Anyways I met Riley Cooper through her.  It would of been totally cool if ravens signed him. He could  be a raven yet however.

Riley Cooper is terrible. It would be awful if we signed him.

 

But, on topic, Jernigan looks ready to break out. He's shown inconsistent flashes of dominance... at times even over 4 game stretches. He just needs to put it all together. The consistency issue could be conditioning related, so i expect the weight loss to really help him there and unleash a little more explosion from him. Excited for his potential.

[gtalk12]

I remember his rookie year and how he filled in for Ngata

[rastaman831226]

On 5/28/2016 at 2:31 AM, Winchester said:

Good post and observation and top5 is very reslistic. You know how I grade work ethic. Turns Geno Atkins to best penetrator. Lane Johnson becomes an athletic and dominant presence. Jj watt would not be the best player without work ethic. Leaner means faster. And it is exciting to anticipate his as well as Henry's potential. For Jernigan, being a little pudgy is the only thing standing in the way of elite explosion and athleticism for the position. As for will Henry the only player in the draft with more impressive combo of explosion,athleticism and power than him at his position is Nkemdiche who is roided up. Think if Henry was doing the same thing!! Rankins is more refined and active than Henry but Henry has better raw tools. A couple lineman did consistently  overwhelm Rankins in a man up confrontation. No opponent consistently overwhelmed Henry. And he just recently found and started his fanatical work ethic. With time of working hard  and learning from players like Jernigan and Ben Watson to refine his training,nutrition techniques he could become next to unblockable. Jernigan and Henry have awesome raw skills.

Just recently read a BR blogger echo your report on Henry. He went so far as to say Henry was already better than Jernigan - against the run as well as a pass rusher. I find this hard to believe, but I'm anxious to see what this kid can do in camp.

[757RavensFan]

On 5/28/2016 at 1:00 PM, Winchester said:

Nkemdiche who is roided up.

You keep saying this, what proof do you have that Nkemdiche is taking steroids?

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

You keep saying this, what proof do you have that Nkemdiche is taking steroids?

His own mind. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

You keep saying this, what proof do you have that Nkemdiche is taking steroids?

I dont think when he says "roided up" he means actually on steroids. I think he just means he's jacked up... all muscle, low body fat. Its definitely misleading though. 

[Winchester]

10 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont think when he says "roided up" he means actually on steroids. I think he just means he's jacked up... all muscle, low body fat. Its definitely misleading though. 

Yes thank you dude. Roided can mean plain jacked. I have heard rumors and have my own opinions on them but I wouldn't say I know  for sure. Unless there were proof as opposed to evidence. Like a suspension or somebody saying it openly

[Winchester]

On 6/9/2016 at 9:52 PM, rastaman831226 said:

Just recently read a BR blogger echo your report on Henry. He went so far as to say Henry was already better than Jernigan - against the run as well as a pass rusher. I find this hard to believe, but I'm anxious to see what this kid can do in camp.

Where did you find it and what exactly did it say. I have heard rumors that as good as Jernigan looks this season that coaches and trainers are more impressed with Henry. And some are out right shocked at the display of power and athleticism. Funny thing is he has become a gym warrior as recently as a year ago. So he is going to get so much better. Especially in ravens training and nutrition programs 

[rastaman831226]

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

Where did you find it and what exactly did it say. I have heard rumors that as good as Jernigan looks this season that coaches and trainers are more impressed with Henry. And some are out right shocked at the display of power and athleticism. Funny thing is he has become a gym warrior as recently as a year ago. So he is going to get so much better. Especially in ravens training and nutrition programs 

It was from a small piece written during the OTA's on Bleacher report. I can no longer find if or I would have linked it for you. Are you familiar with Voch Lombardi on You Tube? He does a great film breakdown of Nkemdiche as well as many of the top college talent on this years' draft Check it out. This guy is thorough.

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, rastaman831226 said:

It was from a small piece written during the OTA's on Bleacher report. I can no longer find if or I would have linked it for you. Are you familiar with Voch Lombardi on You Tube? He does a great film breakdown of Nkemdiche as well as many of the top college talent on this years' draft Check it out. This guy is thorough.

hes far too infatuated with speed and he gets too caught up in "his guys" but he is pretty good. 

 

his man crush on noah spence and his loathing of bosa highlights this quite a bit, it was pretty cringeworthy of him.

[BmoreBird22]

I'd caution anyone to not buy too much into the shorts and t shirts hype, especially not for a defensive lineman who has to really do contact to show what he's got.

Edited June 12, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[rastaman831226]

On 6/11/2016 at 0:51 AM, Winchester said:

Where did you find it and what exactly did it say. I have heard rumors that as good as Jernigan looks this season that coaches and trainers are more impressed with Henry. And some are out right shocked at the display of power and athleticism. Funny thing is he has become a gym warrior as recently as a year ago. So he is going to get so much better. Especially in ravens training and nutrition programs 

Found another small article on SB Nation written on June 4, 2016 by Micheal Sedjro under the title " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. " Article is thin on detail, but comments beneath article is where the real meat of his piece is. Interesting read.

[rastaman831226]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

hes far too infatuated with speed and he gets too caught up in "his guys" but he is pretty good. 

 

his man crush on noah spence and his loathing of bosa highlights this quite a bit, it was pretty cringeworthy of him.

I thought his assessments were fair. It's not the first time I's heard that Spence was a near perfect specimen on the field but his off the field issues would drop his value to some teams or that Bosa was too flawed to live up to the hype he was receiving. Liked that he loved Ochi's talent but then reminded listeners that Ochi DID play at  Stoneybrook. That's fair.

[Jacquouille]

If the rumors about Henry are true, I can't wait to see him in a 4-3 with Jernigan, Z and Suggs/Kaufusi. That would give us a huge penetrating front.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

I thought his assessments were fair. It's not the first time I's heard that Spence was a near perfect specimen on the field but his off the field issues would drop his value to some teams or that Bosa was too flawed to live up to the hype he was receiving. Liked that he loved Ochi's talent but then reminded listeners that Ochi DID play at  Stoneybrook. That's fair.

spence wasnt perfect, he had very short arms for an edge rusher, he was bad when engaged, and got washed out of plays far too easy. if he was as good as his hype suggested he wouldnt have fell as far as he did, his off the field issues would have been disregarded by some team in the late 20s if he was as great a talent as so many claim. 

 

and its not that he doesnt like bosa that bugs me, its his reasons. he doesnt like bosa because he isnt noah spence, basically, hes a brute force technician and spence is a raw speed rusher, and thats why he likes one and not the other, silly reasoning to me.

[rastaman831226]

51 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

spence wasnt perfect, he had very short arms for an edge rusher, he was bad when engaged, and got washed out of plays far too easy. if he was as good as his hype suggested he wouldnt have fell as far as he did, his off the field issues would have been disregarded by some team in the late 20s if he was as great a talent as so many claim. 

 

and its not that he doesnt like bosa that bugs me, its his reasons. he doesnt like bosa because he isnt noah spence, basically, hes a brute force technician and spence is a raw speed rusher, and thats why he likes one and not the other, silly reasoning to me.

As I said before, Spence was a near perfect specimen. He has speed, power, and a variety of moves to go with it. As for his off the field activities, he tested positive for ecstacy, let me repeat that ecstacy not once but twice, kicked out of a Conference, not just his school, but kicked out of a Conference. That's pretty much enough to drop anyone in the draft. As for Bosa, Bosa's game is strictly power, he brings little else with his game and don't mistake him for J.J. Watt, Watt came into the league with power and a whole toolbag of moves.

[Winchester]

16 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

Found another small article on SB Nation written on June 4, 2016 by Micheal Sedjro under the title " Timmy Jernigan Could Find Willie Henry Breathing Down His Neck. " Article is thin on detail, but comments beneath article is where the real meat of his piece is. Interesting read.

In would liked to found the first article. Funny thing. I have heard info around the gym handed  down about how explosive and awesome of a specimen like he is far better this year but Henry is better than him and its not even close!! And rumors downright crazy things like his explosion may even be superior to Aaron Donald. And he was injured at the combine and was running 4.8 range leading up it at over 300 lbs.  He was one of my favorite players in the draft. And I felt like with cutting up and shedding a little bad weight and tacking Some muscle that he could be there witb Atkins short and cox. But no idea he is that strong athletic and explosive already. If here say bout his athleticism is true. But I'm surprised by those articles. Did not think anybody would print he is better than jernigan

[Sami84]

10 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

As I said before, Spence was a near perfect specimen. He has speed, power, and a variety of moves to go with it. As for his off the field activities, he tested positive for ecstacy, let me repeat that ecstacy not once but twice, kicked out of a Conference, not just his school, but kicked out of a Conference. That's pretty much enough to drop anyone in the draft. As for Bosa, Bosa's game is strictly power, he brings little else with his game and don't mistake him for J.J. Watt, Watt came into the league with power and a whole toolbag of moves.

 

lol...no

 

Adalius Thomas was a perfect specimen. Khalil Mack too. spence is sergio kindle and a poor mans with whitney merciulis. I have him as one of the busts of the draft.

[Sami84]

55 minutes ago, Winchester said:

In would liked to found the first article. Funny thing. I have heard info around the gym handed  down about how explosive and awesome of a specimen like he is far better this year but Henry is better than him and its not even close!! And rumors downright crazy things like his explosion may even be superior to Aaron Donald. And he was injured at the combine and was running 4.8 range leading up it at over 300 lbs.  He was one of my favorite players in the draft. And I felt like with cutting up and shedding a little bad weight and tacking Some muscle that he could be there witb Atkins short and cox. But no idea he is that strong athletic and explosive already. If here say bout his athleticism is true. But I'm surprised by those articles. Did not think anybody would print he is better than jernigan

 

 

Winchester where do you get these sources from? Also, don't you think you play a bit too much importance on physical attributes? Technique is just as important..I've seen plenty of freak athletes with great first steps etc come to nothing while Tamba Hali and Terrell Suggs were never the greatest athletes for example..same with dumervil..

Edited June 13, 2016 by Sami84

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Winchester where do you get these sources from? Also, don't you think you play a bit too much importance on physical attributes? Technique is just as important..I've seen plenty of freak athletes with great first steps etc come to nothing while Tamba Hali and Terrell Suggs were never the greatest athletes for example..same with dumervil..

True but for a DT I can see his point, a major part of the success comes from the 1St step and the explosion of the snap. For an OLB, it is absolutely necessary to have that and a good bend. Technique comes with experience, both are necessary but what he basically implies is that you can progress a lot quickly by working on tour body, while you need time to refine your technique. 

[Sami84]

48 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

True but for a DT I can see his point, a major part of the success comes from the 1St step and the explosion of the snap. For an OLB, it is absolutely necessary to have that and a good bend. Technique comes with experience, both are necessary but what he basically implies is that you can progress a lot quickly by working on tour body, while you need time to refine your technique. 

 

yeah...fair enough.

[BmoreBird22]

14 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

As I said before, Spence was a near perfect specimen. He has speed, power, and a variety of moves to go with it. As for his off the field activities, he tested positive for ecstacy, let me repeat that ecstacy not once but twice, kicked out of a Conference, not just his school, but kicked out of a Conference. That's pretty much enough to drop anyone in the draft. As for Bosa, Bosa's game is strictly power, he brings little else with his game and don't mistake him for J.J. Watt, Watt came into the league with power and a whole toolbag of moves.

Spence didn't have a variety of moves and was not powerful...

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Winchester where do you get these sources from? Also, don't you think you play a bit too much importance on physical attributes? Technique is just as important..I've seen plenty of freak athletes with great first steps etc come to nothing while Tamba Hali and Terrell Suggs were never the greatest athletes for example..same with dumervil..

We've been asking the first question for several months. I'll be shocked if you get a concrete answer on any of this.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

True but for a DT I can see his point, a major part of the success comes from the 1St step and the explosion of the snap. For an OLB, it is absolutely necessary to have that and a good bend. Technique comes with experience, both are necessary but what he basically implies is that you can progress a lot quickly by working on tour body, while you need time to refine your technique. 

They still need to play with leverage and hand usage on the inside. Having a great first step is awesome, but what really pushes Donald and Atkins over the top is both are very violent and leverage so well, which partially comes from being 6'1", but still.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

We've been asking the first question for several months. I'll be shocked if you get a concrete answer on any of this.

As have I.  But to be fair... you never give your sources up, so I don't really know how I expected him to answer that question, but with some of the claims he has made, should be able to elaborate

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

As have I.  But to be fair... you never give your sources up, so I don't really know how I expected him to answer that question, but with some of the claims he has made, should be able to elaborate

If he's making claims about what these players are running or how they've looked very explosive and unstoppable, that SHOULD be something you can source.