[News] Late For Work 5/24: Most Offensive Weapons In Ravens History? 45 Roster Locks

[potomacpitbulls]

You don't throw a rookie as the starting LT. You just don't.

Joe Thomas, and Terron Armstead have done it.

[The Greek]

i hope monroe is 100% and can play this season. would make it easier for stanley to transition plus if monroe is released or gets injured again than who backs up stanley. hopefully we have LT depth covered before the season begins.

[eze17]

  1 hour ago, potomacpitbulls said:

I agree with the 45 locked players.

My 8 would be:

Judon, Ochi, Pitta, Campanaro, Clay, Reynolds, Wesley, Richardson

My PS favorites are (Sam) Brown, Nembot, West, Onwuasor, Beyer, Waller, Clausell, Canady, Wilson, (Daniel) Brown.

Sadly, Trey Walker will not be on that list. If the rules would allow I would love to see the ravens start with 52 with Walker named posthumously as the starting corner and the 53rd man for the first week, then pick up the 53rd from the PS week 2.

So you'd roll into the season with just 2 safeties and 4 corners?

Good point, especially with the injuries sustained in our secondary the past few years. I would probably go with Brooks and either Elam/Lewis, whichever plays better in camp and preseason. A lot of people are down on Elam, but I think he would get the nod if push came to shove. I think Will Davis should also make the team if he is healthy. A sixth CB would be nice, but i'm not sold on Arrington and all the other guys are pretty raw. It may come down to someone who can contribute on special teams also. Canady could make a push here if he shows real fire in his belly, but i'm betting him more on the PS.

A lot of people are also pushing for Henry to make the roster, which i'm still not convinced that he's a lock. Same with Judon. I would say they probably do make it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens try to sneak at least one of them on the PS. I do think that Arthur Brown is on the bubble, but unless we sign a ILB, he probably has a decent shot to make the cut.

On the offensive side, I still think we keep Monroe around at least through training camp, at least to see how Stanley plays at LT. In any case, I think we carry at least 8 O-lineman, which leaves a spot open going by this list.

I'd also say we go with a mininum of six WR. I think part of the main battle will be who can return kicks and punts. Campanaro did not impress during his limited time at returner last year, while Clay actually looked pretty good at times. Reynolds may be the wild card, as if he impresses as a returner I think he gets a spot. A position we could go with seven players, but six seems more reasonable. However, Waller could easily make the cut as a TE/WR hybrid, especially as how he is a very excellent special teams player.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, potomacpitbulls said:

Joe Thomas, and Terron Armstead have done it.

1. Joe Thomas is probably the best LT in football.

2. Armstead didn't have a very good rookie season.

In general, he's correct... rookie LTs struggle almost all the time. That doesn't mean we should keep Monroe for that reason, because if Stanley beats out Monroe in a competition, that tells you all you need to know.

Its just one of those things where if Stanley is the starter at LT this season, its not very reasonable for fans to expect him to be an All-Pro in his 1st season. If he is an average LT in 2016, I'd consider that to be a good season.

[ravenscavecreek]

Monroe is gone post June 1 and he knows it!

Have to agree. That's why he's in Vegas promoting marijuana instead of being in Baltimore rehabbing. He knows he's gone and doesn't care.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So you would feel good about going into the season with just 3 safeties and 4 CB's? Especially with our history of injuries at the position the past 2 years? Not saying it cant or wont happen.... just curious.

Levine is one guy I totally forgot about. He would be able to play both corner, safety and is great at special teams. In which case, Talliaferro may be the odd man out. I added Taliaferro primarily because he could contribute to special teams and be a goal line back. But, after reflection, who could be a better goal line back than one that has had 87 TDs in his college career? 

[robbie29]

"If he remains healthy"...."; "If things go the Ravens’ way in the health department...."; "....assuming he’s healthy..."

Those are the all-too-familiar, and all-too-headshaking catch phrases of the last two years when talking about the Ravens' and their players. Such a terrible string of devastating injuries, especially last year. Let's hope the trainers, conditioners, and medical staff get things right this year. They've got to be held accountable- there's only so much you can chalk up to bad luck.

[eze17]

  3 hours ago, Tobenna_MBA said:

We need to keep monroee at LT and start Stanley at guard at least for one more season! We will have an elite offensive line with him and a suspect one without... Stanley has potential but is unproven as a rookie LT will be a liability and it will have a trickle down effect to the pass and run game. Let Monroe lose the job to injury or performance

I don't see how we keep pitta, there aren't enough reps for 5 TE. Pitta and Gilmore are injury prone. Gilmore is a beast but his style of play keeps him in the training room. Pitta is one more hip fracture away from serious health problems. Then there's our rookie max Williams who honestly hasn't shown me enough to sleep at night. Not the strongest run blocker and separation ability needs work..butt he was a 2nd round pick so hoping for a big season. Watson is an an expensive one year deal, he's 35 not sure if he can replicate last year's production i see him rotating in on passing downs though I am hopeful.

Kenneth Dixon is a stud and once healthy I think he has a chance to win the job but I worry about his fumble tendencies let's slow the crowning of the starting job. Forset appeared to be losing burst b4 the injury (4.2 ypc from 5 the year b4 ) and without the zone blocking scheme and chop block I wonder how effective he will be moving forward. Buck Allen seems to be getting overlooked for some reason and I vividly remember him making big plays in the screen and passing game. Taliaferro is a bruiser but can't finish a season. Richardson is a bruiser but can't find the hole, hoping our much improved offensive line will make his job easier and allow him to wear down defenses, hoping he can be the high round draft pick from years ago. Terrence west seems to be the odd man out. Tough I liked him but I wondering what his role would even be with us. We have 2 power backs and two receiving backs and then forset who's balanced. What's wests' separation.

Perrimen is a wild card. I don't know own what we will get from him. For some reason I just don't see him staying healthy. He still hasn't looked right or 100%. For that reason I like Mike Wallace/Chris Moore as the outside burner. SSS will work the slot in rotation with Kamar Aiken and Reynolds. I'm over campanaro. Seen enough at this point. He's got potential but his availability is an issue. When healthy he makes it interesting.

Side note I don't like Webb and waddle at safety. Webb is undersized visions of that Miami game with him essentially holding onto a guys knees as he gets mossed in the end zone deep, has shown to be an inconsistent tackler I can't shake that play of the Browns player absolutely breaking his ankles in the open field. I think he can cover but his tackling and injury issues worry me about him at the position. I'd rather have kept hill, weddle I hope still has the speed and range to play deep.

Where is the fifth worthy TE? Maxx, Watson, Gilmore are locks and if healthy, then Pitta.

I agree, Monroe deserves to still be here for another year as he gives us versatility and a deep line.

Webb and Weddle both have ball skills, coverage skills, and vision. Hill was a solid play maker at times and was a hard hitter, but he obviously liked reefer more than being a Ravens so bye bye. Webb is actually a solid tackler, he wraps up and obviously from time to time an offensive player will make plays. It happens.

I'm guessing he's saying Nick Boyle would be the 5th TE when he comes back from his suspension.

I would say we keep eight O-lineman. If it's not Monroe, then someone else. Having only seven would leave us pretty thin, especially considering the injury problems we've had.

I think Brooks makes the team at safety, along with either Elam or Lewis. My money would be on giving Elam a last chance, but I could be wrong. The organization seemed pretty high on him before he was injured last year.

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, eze17 said:

I'm guessing he's saying Nick Boyle would be the 5th TE when he comes back from his suspension.

I would say we keep eight O-lineman. If it's not Monroe, then someone else. Having only seven would leave us pretty thin, especially considering the injury problems we've had.

I think Brooks makes the team at safety, along with either Elam or Lewis. My money would be on giving Elam a last chance, but I could be wrong. The organization seemed pretty high on him before he was injured last year.

Yea I like Elam to make the team.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens one Nick Boyle's suspension is lifted. My guess would be one of the TE's gets put on IR

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Yea I like Elam to make the team.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens one Nick Boyle's suspension is lifted. My guess would be one of the TE's gets put on IR

Will require one of the TEs to get injured though...

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Will require one of the TEs to get injured though...

I would guess at least one will be even if it's a minor injury

[dirtybird66]

i'd say,we are way better on offense,-mabey the best money down player ever,BOLDIN.I really hope PITTA comes back full force,he's the best link to the past and knows what it takes to be the best in this division.i just can't imagine having to face that type of competition everyday,but i'm glad we have it!

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Joe Thomas is probably the best LT in football.

2. Armstead didn't have a very good rookie season.

In general, he's correct... rookie LTs struggle almost all the time. That doesn't mean we should keep Monroe for that reason, because if Stanley beats out Monroe in a competition, that tells you all you need to know.

Its just one of those things where if Stanley is the starter at LT this season, its not very reasonable for fans to expect him to be an All-Pro in his 1st season. If he is an average LT in 2016, I'd consider that to be a good season.

Thank you. Also, I noticed that when they start as rookies and struggle, most of the LTs never become good players afterwards.

[ravensnj]

Let's not write of Monroe, preseason injuries can take a toll on our seemly solid line. Also, we might have the most weapons, but, Flacco needs to learn how to use them. He can't just zone in on a couple and forget the rest of the team. There is no reason to force balls to Smith or Wallace when the underneath routes are open. If anyone took note, Mallett did a very admirable job last year. Just sayin'.

Edited May 24, 2016 by ravensnj

[rmcjacket23]

40 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Thank you. Also, I noticed that when they start as rookies and struggle, most of the LTs never become good players afterwards.

That I don't agree with. There's plenty of LTs who had average or below average rookie seasons and then became very good starters later on. Granted, a lot of these players start their career at a different position than LT, but a bad year 1 at LT is far from a death sentence for Stanley.

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Let's not write of Monroe, preseason injuries can take a toll on our seemly solid line. Also, we might have the most weapons, but, Flacco needs to learn how to use them. He can't just zone in on a couple and forget the rest of the team. There is no reason to force balls to Smith or Wallace when the underneath routes are open. If anyone took note, Mallett did a very admirable job last year. Just sayin'.

Yeah, but admirable isn't good enough. That's the difference. We don't have the kind of team that can win with an "admirable" QB.

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

In a year or two i really think Dixon could be a RR clone, as far as talent,,,,And i think he runs a wheel route better than RR, as RR basically was the bubble screen guy...:) heck with it, i love all 90 players, and wiah the rosters could expand to 90....)

Do not compare him to Rice. I would compare him to priest Holmes. Dixon is a far better receiver than Rice.

[RRRRRavens]

Let's not write of Monroe, preseason injuries can take a toll on our seemly solid line. Also, we might have the most weapons, but, Flacco needs to learn how to use them. He can't just zone in on a couple and forget the rest of the team. There is no reason to force balls to Smith or Wallace when the underneath routes are open. If anyone took note, Mallett did a very admirable job last year. Just sayin'.

Agreed. In fact I'd go a step further. Mallett may be our best QB with the one vulnerable point about his temperament. He's an intense competitor and tends to show his disappointment a bit too much when one of the receivers drops one of his passes. Joe doesn't do that. He remains cool and focused on the next play. Mallett could learn a lot from Joe in that area. If he mastered that he could be one of the best if not the best in the league. In the last two games of last year no QB played better than Mallett. He just needs to mature emotionally. All the rest is there.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

Agreed. In fact I'd go a step further. Mallett may be our best QB with the one vulnerable point about his temperament. He's an intense competitor and tends to show his disappointment a bit too much when one of the receivers drops one of his passes. Joe doesn't do that. He remains cool and focused on the next play. Mallett could learn a lot from Joe in that area. If he mastered that he could be one of the best if not the best in the league. In the last two games of last year no QB played better than Mallett. He just needs to mature emotionally. All the rest is there.

Well, he still has plenty of accuracy issues that he would need to improve on also. Very noticeable in his time in Houston and somewhat last season as well.

[RRRRRavens]

I agree with the 45 locked players.

My 8 would be:

Judon, Ochi, Pitta, Campanaro, Clay, Reynolds, Wesley, Richardson

My PS favorites are (Sam) Brown, Nembot, West, Onwuasor, Beyer, Waller, Clausell, Canady, Wilson, (Daniel) Brown.

Sadly, Trey Walker will not be on that list. If the rules would allow I would love to see the ravens start with 52 with Walker named posthumously as the starting corner and the 53rd man for the first week, then pick up the 53rd from the PS week 2.

Nice sentiment.

[JimmyBlack]

39 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Let's not write of Monroe, preseason injuries can take a toll on our seemly solid line. Also, we might have the most weapons, but, Flacco needs to learn how to use them. He can't just zone in on a couple and forget the rest of the team. There is no reason to force balls to Smith or Wallace when the underneath routes are open. If anyone took note, Mallett did a very admirable job last year. Just sayin'.

First of all, we can't cut Monroe even if we wanted to because he is currently on the injured list.  I'm against cutting him because there is a great need for depth at the tackle position.  I like the draft pick of Stanley, but even JO needed a year at RT to get used to the speed of the NFL after college.  I would much rather have Stanley at RT than LG.  We drafted him because he is able to play both positions.  Hopefully, he turns out to be just like Lane Johnson.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, JimmyBlack said:

First of all, we can't cut Monroe even if we wanted to because he is currently on the injured list.  I'm against cutting him because there is a great need for depth at the tackle position.  I like the draft pick of Stanley, but even JO needed a year at RT to get used to the speed of the NFL after college.  I would much rather have Stanley at RT than LG.  We drafted him because he is able to play both positions.  Hopefully, he turns out to be just like Lane Johnson.

1. I believe JO started at LG, not RT.

2. Its tricky to put Stanley at RT, because then you essentially send Wagner to the bench. While short term I wouldn't have an issue with that, you've also got Wagner in a contract year in 2016. If you bench him, you'll almost certainly lose him after this season, so now you need a RT for 2017 as well. He might not be the best RT in the league, but I think he's more than serviceable and warrants a long term contract if he plays well in 2016. 

Stanley is on the left side in his rookie year in all scenarios that I see, barring some sort of injury to one of the other tackles.

[JimmyBlack]

5 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

With Monroe coming off recent surgery i don't think it's a big issue, as other vets skip these, plus whether he stays or goes really is out of his hands, if he is healthy we could use him, if the FO feel Stanley is ready they can cut him June 1st and i think gain 6 mil in cap space....

I sure hope that Monroe returns to training camp and shows everyone why we signed him in the first place.  I'm ready for Stanley to start the year at RT a position that he played at ND.  We still haven't heard anything from the league about the pad thing.  Maybe they would at least make them wear shorts an extra 5 minutes tomorrow?

Edited May 24, 2016 by JimmyBlack

[JimmyBlack]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I believe JO started at LG, not RT.

2. Its tricky to put Stanley at RT, because then you essentially send Wagner to the bench. While short term I wouldn't have an issue with that, you've also got Wagner in a contract year in 2016. If you bench him, you'll almost certainly lose him after this season, so now you need a RT for 2017 as well. He might not be the best RT in the league, but I think he's more than serviceable and warrants a long term contract if he plays well in 2016. 

Stanley is on the left side in his rookie year in all scenarios that I see, barring some sort of injury to one of the other tackles.

You are absolutely right about JO.  This is a quote from Bleacher Report during his Hall of Fame enshrinement, " In his rookie season, Ogden played left guard while Jones played left tackle, and the former also scored his first of two career touchdowns, on a one-yard reception. After Jones was traded the following year, Ogden moved to his natural tackle position and held down the fort there for the rest of his career, more than proving that Newsome was right in selecting him with the Ravens' first draft pick in franchise history."  "Just the facts, Ma'am, nothing but the facts." -Joe Friday LAPD.

[RRRRRavens]

In a year or two i really think Dixon could be a RR clone, as far as talent,,,,And i think he runs a wheel route better than RR, as RR basically was the bubble screen guy...:) heck with it, i love all 90 players, and wiah the rosters could expand to 90....)

Agree with moving roster to 90. There may be some impracticalities with such a move but I'd like to see it.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

Agree with moving roster to 90. There may be some impracticalities with such a move but I'd like to see it.

Not exactly reasonable to expand a roster from 53 to 90. Most teams struggle to find 53 quality football players in a given year to field a team with... the idea of adding like 1,200 more will only  make the play worse.

[eze17]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

4 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

In a year or two i really think Dixon could be a RR clone, as far as talent,,,,And i think he runs a wheel route better than RR, as RR basically was the bubble screen guy...:) heck with it, i love all 90 players, and wiah the rosters could expand to 90....)

Do not compare him to Rice. I would compare him to priest Holmes. Dixon is a far better receiver than Rice.

While I may agree with you that Dixon shows the potential to be a great receiver, ...if not for Ray Rice's amazing catch and run against SD we lose that game, miss the playoffs and never win our 2nd Super Bowl. Gotta give credit where it's due.

[RRRRRavens]

  4 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:

I agree with the 45 locked players.

My 8 would be:

Judon, Ochi, Pitta, Campanaro, Clay, Reynolds, Wesley, Richardson

My PS favorites are (Sam) Brown, Nembot, West, Onwuasor, Beyer, Waller, Clausell, Canady, Wilson, (Daniel) Brown.

Sadly, Trey Walker will not be on that list. If the rules would allow I would love to see the ravens start with 52 with Walker named posthumously as the starting corner and the 53rd man for the first week, then pick up the 53rd from the PS week 2.

I don't think Waller would last a minute on the PS. Someone will pick him up off waivers. If we really need to put him on the PS then just trade him away for a late pick.

Rest in peace Walker. I would really appreciate it if we start the season opener with 10 men on the field. Even though Walker wasnt a starter, we did lose one of our own and it's only right to do so. Even if it costs us 7 points it's worth it imo. 

Perhaps wearing his number somewhere on our jersey would suffice. I think there's some sort of rule about not playing the game in the spirit of a competitive game which intentionally playing short one player would be doing.

[RRRRRavens]

  2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I don't think Waller would last a minute on the PS. Someone will pick him up off waivers. If we really need to put him on the PS then just trade him away for a late pick.

Rest in peace Walker. I would really appreciate it if we start the season opener with 10 men on the field. Even though Walker wasnt a starter, we did lose one of our own and it's only right to do so. Even if it costs us 7 points it's worth it imo. 

I doubt any team would give up a draft pick for Waller, considering they could have just drafted him themselves last year. Not like he really showed anything since then to make teams all of the sudden perceive him as being better than he was already projected to be.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he passed through waivers. We always tend to overvalue our players when we think what other teams might do. 

Agree. Unusually wise of you, Jacket.

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Yea I like Elam to make the team.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens one Nick Boyle's suspension is lifted. My guess would be one of the TE's gets put on IR

Will require one of the TEs to get injured though...

That won't be a problem. When we need to move a player to IR he somehow always comes up with an "injury". Sorry to be so cynical but let's face it, that's the way the game is played.