Why a Team Declines

[Tiznut]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Billick had lost control, and respect in the locker room. I think that was the biggest issue and the reason there was such a quick turn around with the coaching change. Joe Flacco arriving also had a huge impact.

When I read the statement about billick losing control I think back to Bart Scott getting upset with fans for booing his bad performance in 2007. 

 

I also think about the explanation given as to why Rex Ryan's wasn't named hc despite defensive players at the time thinking he would have been the best option. 

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

When I read the statement about billick losing control I think back to Bart Scott getting upset with fans for booing his bad performance in 2007. 

 

I also think about the explanation given as to why Rex Ryan's wasn't named hc despite defensive players at the time thinking he would have been the best option. 

Rex wouldn't have fit the style of Baltimore as a HC.  After seeing how he has acted being a HC elsewhere im glad we didn't offer it to him. 

[ravensdan]

39 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

When I read the statement about billick losing control I think back to Bart Scott getting upset with fans for booing his bad performance in 2007. 

 

I also think about the explanation given as to why Rex Ryan's wasn't named hc despite defensive players at the time thinking he would have been the best option. 

Especially when you see Rex's antics with the jets and Bills. 

[Deflated Football]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Rex wouldn't have fit the style of Baltimore as a HC.  After seeing how he has acted being a HC elsewhere im glad we didn't offer it to him. 

This. He's too flashy. He's a better coordinator than a head coach and I'm glad we have Harbaugh. 

[K-Dog]

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Rex wouldn't have fit the style of Baltimore as a HC.  After seeing how he has acted being a HC elsewhere im glad we didn't offer it to him. 

" Oh, but we would have had 35 more Super Bowl wins by now if he was H.C. "

 

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Edited May 27, 2016 by K-Dog

[Kinda_Dante]

14 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

" Oh, but we would have had 35 more Super Bowl wins by now if hewas H.C. "

 

[/sarcasm]

This would only happen if I was head coach! I'm undefeated Madden's franchise mode...

[ravensnj]

I think we haven't pulled the trigger on "Best Available".  We clearly draft per need. 

[ravensnj]

Further, we draft per our upcoming free agents. Mediocrely, I might say too! 

[Tiznut]

29 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Further, we draft per our upcoming free agents. Mediocrely, I might say too! 

What? So you're complaining that a team understands who will be priced out of range and that they plan ahead for that?

[Tiznut]

I know what the topic is and I understand their draft philosophy. Your post is full of nonsense and has you complaining that they look ahead at who may price themselves out of the market. Yes Elam and brown didn't fulfill expectations yet many others exceeded.  

 

*side note I specifically excluded brooks because I get the feeling you expect him to have had the career stats that one would attribute to elams draft slot. 

 

Nevertheless it's humurous that people like to pick random selections and cite proof we can't draft but ignore the picks who do well because it doesn't fit the agenda they're trying to promote.  

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, Tiznut said:

I know what the topic is and I understand their draft philosophy. Your post is full of nonsense and has you complaining that they look ahead at who may price themselves out of the market. Yes Elam and brown didn't fulfill expectations yet many others exceeded.  

 

*side note I specifically excluded brooks because I get the feeling you expect him to have had the career stats that one would attribute to elams draft slot. 

 

Nevertheless it's humurous that people like to pick random selections and cite proof we can't draft but ignore the picks who do well because it doesn't fit the agenda they're trying to promote.  

Since 2000, we have missed more than hit on our first and second round picks. Luckily, we have better luck picking in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds.That's why a team declines. Also, I am not sold on last years class. I can't even see a starter unless Perriman is totally healed and he is basically in his rookie season. They will push Maxx into the lineup, but, he really should be fourth string when Boyle returns. Pitta,,Watson, Boyle, Williams.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Since 2000, we have missed more than hit on our first and second round picks. Luckily, we have better luck picking in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds.That's why a team declines. Also, I am not sold on last years class. I can't even see a starter unless Perriman is totally healed and he is basically in his rookie season. They will push Maxx into the lineup, but, he really should be fourth string when Boyle returns. Pitta,,Watson, Boyle, Williams.

What makes you think Williams is fourth string? You left out Gilmore so you're essentially saying he's 5th string, but lets go over what makes you wrong.. 

 

Williams has the best hands on the team, period. He tracks and attacks the ball better than any TE on the team besides Watson. He has a ridiculous amount of power and brute strength and you see it when he runs with the ball, and he is a more fluid runner than any TE besides Watson. Pitta may never be his old self, that injury is not something you just come back from and return to form, Watson is 100 years old, Gilmore has been very injury prone and is a great blocker and a nice jumpball and YAC guy but he is also very clumsy and runs horrible routes, Boyle was a no name last year and got no attention from the defense and as a result he got open and made some easy catches, and is suspended and you better believe that will have an effect on his roster standing. 

 

So tell me, what makes the youngest and most talented TE on the team a 4th stringer?

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Since 2000, we have missed more than hit on our first and second round picks. Luckily, we have better luck picking in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds.That's why a team declines. Also, I am not sold on last years class. I can't even see a starter unless Perriman is totally healed and he is basically in his rookie season. They will push Maxx into the lineup, but, he really should be fourth string when Boyle returns. Pitta,,Watson, Boyle, Williams.

Are you with Tunsil at the moment?

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Since 2000, we have missed more than hit on our first and second round picks. Luckily, we have better luck picking in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds.That's why a team declines. Also, I am not sold on last years class. I can't even see a starter unless Perriman is totally healed and he is basically in his rookie season. They will push Maxx into the lineup, but, he really should be fourth string when Boyle returns. Pitta,,Watson, Boyle, Williams.

What are you on... Williams probably is more atheletically gifted than the rest of our tight ends. To me he will probably be the #2 behind Watson. Pitta and Gillmore will be fighting for that 3rd spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta is used more in the passing attack than as a tight end. 

[Wisdom]

Many factors involved here but one for sure is "Greed" and self proclaimed "Respect".  I want to be respected and loved as I'm therefore .....pay me! I want to be the highest paid player on this team and if that means letting go of others then so be it.   After all most people  believe that because they’re rich, in a leadership position, or famous, they deserve our respect — regardless of their mediocrity.    Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Respect must be earned!!! 

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

Many factors involved here but one for sure is "Greed" and self proclaimed "Respect".  I want to be respected and loved as I'm therefore .....pay me! I want to be the highest paid player on this team and if that means letting go of others then so be it.   After all most people  believe that because they’re rich, in a leadership position, or famous, they deserve our respect — regardless of their mediocrity.    Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Respect must be earned!!! 

What does this have anything to do with,  at all? 

[Cville-Raven]

49 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Are you with Tunsil at the moment?

Seems like that might be the case. 

[lgcs27288]

1 hour ago, Wisdom said:

Many factors involved here but one for sure is "Greed" and self proclaimed "Respect".  I want to be respected and loved as I'm therefore .....pay me! I want to be the highest paid player on this team and if that means letting go of others then so be it.   After all most people  believe that because they’re rich, in a leadership position, or famous, they deserve our respect — regardless of their mediocrity.    Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Respect must be earned!!! 

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What makes you think Williams is fourth string? You left out Gilmore so you're essentially saying he's 5th string, but lets go over what makes you wrong.. 

 

Williams has the best hands on the team, period. He tracks and attacks the ball better than any TE on the team besides Watson. He has a ridiculous amount of power and brute strength and you see it when he runs with the ball, and he is a more fluid runner than any TE besides Watson. Pitta may never be his old self, that injury is not something you just come back from and return to form, Watson is 100 years old, Gilmore has been very injury prone and is a great blocker and a nice jumpball and YAC guy but he is also very clumsy and runs horrible routes, Boyle was a no name last year and got no attention from the defense and as a result he got open and made some easy catches, and is suspended and you better believe that will have an effect on his roster standing. 

 

So tell me, what makes the youngest and most talented TE on the team a 4th stringer?

Pitta has way better hands, Gilmore is fearless and Boyle can get open. Max has shown no speed or separation, etc....

Edited May 29, 2016 by ravensnj

[ravensnj]

16 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

What are you on... Williams probably is more atheletically gifted than the rest of our tight ends. To me he will probably be the #2 behind Watson. Pitta and Gillmore will be fighting for that 3rd spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta is used more in the passing attack than as a tight end. 

I guess you didn't get to watch him play last season. He was the O-Lineman that ran a route here and there. Rumors of him being ORY where way off. Gilmore had the starting spot wrapped up from the OTA's. Now we have Watson and Pitta back. Question: Why would we pick up Waston when we have all this TE depth? Answer: Boyles is out 10 games and Maxx simply isn't that good, yet. I believe he will be a very reliable short range target and terrific blocker, but not a medium to deep threat as our past te's like Sharpe, Heap and Pitta.

Edited May 29, 2016 by ravensnj

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Maxx has better hands than Crockett. I keep saying it. Crockett is overrated. Strong as an ox but he cannot make contested catches cause his hands aren't that good. Hard to bring down in the open field, but Maxx is faster, has better hands, and is a better roiute runner. When we fed Maxx the ball he did good things. Just look at his TD vs Jacksonville. He's a threat. 

 

Maxx has a higher ceiling dude. He has legit pro bowl potential. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What makes you think Williams is fourth string? You left out Gilmore so you're essentially saying he's 5th string, but lets go over what makes you wrong.. 

 

Williams has the best hands on the team, period. He tracks and attacks the ball better than any TE on the team besides Watson. He has a ridiculous amount of power and brute strength and you see it when he runs with the ball, and he is a more fluid runner than any TE besides Watson. Pitta may never be his old self, that injury is not something you just come back from and return to form, Watson is 100 years old, Gilmore has been very injury prone and is a great blocker and a nice jumpball and YAC guy but he is also very clumsy and runs horrible routes, Boyle was a no name last year and got no attention from the defense and as a result he got open and made some easy catches, and is suspended and you better believe that will have an effect on his roster standing. 

 

So tell me, what makes the youngest and most talented TE on the team a 4th stringer?

And you're wrong too. If Pitta comes back at, like 50% he's still the best TE on the roster. Pitta just doesn't have some of the best hands in the team.. He's got some of the best in the entire NFL. Maxx has great hands but Pitta's hands are stronger. But with that hip it was best to have plans B, C, and D. Boyle did not get open because no on paid attention to him.. Boyle was the best route runner on the team last season not named Steve Smith. 

 

And two of Flacco's INTs were because he threw Jumpballs to Crockett and his hands weren't  strong enough to come down with them. Vs. Arizona and Denver. Crockett isn't a good route runner and his hands are soft, not strong. He's more of a classic TE if anything. Hell of a blocker though. 

 

Sorry. Rookie TEs seldom do anything in the league. Maxx had a good rookie season for a TE. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the starter going into it because he's the most talented. I would've taken Maxx over any TE in the most recent class. 

[Winchester]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I guess you didn't get to watch him play last season. He was the O-Lineman that ran a route here and there. Rumors of him being ORY where way off. Gilmore had the starting spot wrapped up from the OTA's. Now we have Watson and Pitta back. Question: Why would we pick up Waston when we have all this TE depth? Answer: Boyles is out 10 games and Maxx simply isn't that good, yet. I believe he will be a very reliable short range target and terrific blocker, but not a medium to deep threat as or past te's Sharpe, Heap and Pitta.

If maxx is getting in shape his speed will come. He ran well for somebody that showed up to mimicamp totally out of shape and being brought down very decisively by obscure cornerbacks. I hear he angered coaches being that out of shape and was embarrassed being taken down with authority by obscure cornerbacks and decided to work hard and begin a nutrition program. He acknowledged his eating habits were terrible and got by in college eating junk and not working and training very hard. However he plays with pride and I hear he looks far stronger and more athletic than he did at his rookie mimicamps. So give him a chance. He could be a lot better(faster) this time around. 

[Tiznut]

2 minutes ago, Winchester said:

If maxx is getting in shape his speed will come. He ran well for somebody that showed up to mimicamp totally out of shape and being brought down very decisively by obscure cornerbacks. I hear he angered coaches being that out of shape and was embarrassed being taken down with authority by obscure cornerbacks and decided to work hard and begin a nutrition program. He acknowledged his eating habits were terrible and got by in college eating junk and not working and training very hard. However he plays with pride and I hear he looks far stronger and more athletic than he did at his rookie mimicamps. So give him a chance. He could be a lot better(faster) this time around. 

Agreed. http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/What-Maxx-Williams-Learned-At-NFL-Rookie-Symposium/a71c3b24-4a03-426f-b9b6-011796fb5fa0

 

for TEs it was always expected to take a yr or two before they made a significant impact on the field. 

[Jacquouille]

Maxx's rookie season was the best from any TE we've had, and his stats compare to the best in the league. 

Judging a TE by his rookie season is dumb, it's one of the most difficult and longest position to learn.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Pitta has way better hands, Gilmore is fearless and Boyle can get open. Max has shown no speed or separation, etc....

He was also a rookie TE and only 20 years old. After QB, TE is by far the hardest position for a rookie to contribute. I mean he only had the best rating of any rookie TE but who cares right? Campanaro and pitta were also fearless but look where it got them, Gilmore is a fearless injury prone player therefore he gets injured. Boyle doesn't get open by some great skill, he was schemed open when nobody was watching. 

 

If you think anyone on this team has better hands than maxx then you haven't seen what he can do, he could have some of the best hands in the entire league, he has absolute vice grips and is too physical when high pointing for nearly any db to hang with him and has ball skills to make any coverage LB struggle. You sound flat out silly with your judgement on maxx Williams.

[JoeyFlex5]

And for the record I'm not calling maxx a better TE than pitta, I'm saying maxx has potential to be better than anyone of the roster not named pitta, and he hasn't had 2 career threatening injuries to the same hip and hasn't been practically out of football for 3 years. 

 

Expecting pitta to be the same guy is just unwise. TE is an important position and we have a guy who may never be a starter again, an injury prone incomplete and inconsistent guy, a big question mark 2nd year blocking specialist facing his 2nd suspension, and a another 2nd year guy. There are tons of question marks at a vital position, THAT is why we go out and sign Watson. Not because we think maxx is a bust.

[Ravensfan23]

10 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Maxx has better hands than Crockett. I keep saying it. Crockett is overrated. Strong as an ox but he cannot make contested catches cause his hands aren't that good. Hard to bring down in the open field, but Maxx is faster, has better hands, and is a better roiute runner. When we fed Maxx the ball he did good things. Just look at his TD vs Jacksonville. He's a threat. 

 

Maxx has a higher ceiling dude. He has legit pro bowl potential. 

I'm sure you'll get a ton of people to agree with you on this but I can't. Crockett was labeled as a "blocking TE" when drafted and people around here killed Ozzie for drafting him so high. I think Gillmore has don't a great job of developing as a TE and handling the starting role. I think he may be overrated by some fans who say he's as good a Gronk or even has Gronk like potential, but I don't think as a player he's overrated. 

Gillmore has really good hands, imo the appeal of making contested catches is overrated among Ravens fans. Ever sense Boldin everyone is infatuated by someones ability to make contested catches. Gillmore is good at making contested catches and he's really clutch for Flacco on 3rd and 4th downs. Gillmore has legit pro bowl potential as well, but I do think Maxx has the higher upside and talent, just won't downplay Crockett in order to showcase how good Maxx could be. 

[ravensdan]

I'm not sure why Pitta is being ranked at all. I don't think he can be counted on to provide anything. He's trying to come back from a major injury. Anything he adds would be a bonus. 

 

I expect all all coaches to be pushing Williams to step it up this year. To me he always seemed like he had too big of a head because he coukd get away on natural talent in college. Hopefully he realizes he has greater potential.

[ravensnj]

12 hours ago, Winchester said:

If maxx is getting in shape his speed will come. He ran well for somebody that showed up to mimicamp totally out of shape and being brought down very decisively by obscure cornerbacks. I hear he angered coaches being that out of shape and was embarrassed being taken down with authority by obscure cornerbacks and decided to work hard and begin a nutrition program. He acknowledged his eating habits were terrible and got by in college eating junk and not working and training very hard. However he plays with pride and I hear he looks far stronger and more athletic than he did at his rookie mimicamps. So give him a chance. He could be a lot better(faster) this time around. 

I hope you are right, it's all about Ravens wins to me.