My take on the draft and the Offseason

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Actually I'm not being harsh on Correa. Nothing wrong witb him being a physical 3down olb that is an X factor as a blitzer. Spence Ngakoue are better benders but that is not saying much. This isn't a good draft for edge rushers at all. It is conceivable that no edge rusher in this class is going to be perennial double digit sack producers outside of Bosa/Kufusi.  That is where Ozzie Decosta angers me. I been saying a couple yrs now ravens need a young explosive edge rusher. Suggs Dumervil aging yet Ozzie Decosta ignore edge rusher in 2 drafts rich in edge rushers. Then a terrible draft for edge rusher comes around and ravens want edge rushers even if It means reaching for one when better players are available at different positions.

 

What guys would you have targeted in, lets says the last 3 drafts, realistically?  Im curious.  Maybe the FO thought they were getting a better player at the position they selected.  Example- If you have a CB ranked 7th at his position and then you have a edge rusher ranked 15th at his position, you take the the higher rated player...

I agree with you that i think the FO messed up by not grabbing guys for Suggs and Doom to mentor.  Like how we waited to drafted Torrey's replacement after he left, you need to do it at least a year before imo

[Winchester]

24 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

What guys would you have targeted in, lets says the last 3 drafts, realistically?  Im curious.  Maybe the FO thought they were getting a better player at the position they selected.  Example- If you have a CB ranked 7th at his position and then you have a edge rusher ranked 15th at his position, you take the the higher rated player...

I agree with you that i think the FO messed up by not grabbing guys for Suggs and Doom to mentor.  Like how we waited to drafted Torrey's replacement after he left, you need to do it at least a year before imo

In 2014 Kony ealy was once projected a top10 pick that fell cuz of a bad combine. I dont know how jernigan could be ranked higher. When ravens were up in round 2 i was torn between Allen Robinson and Ealy. 2015 draft I liked daneel Hunter and could of traded up for Shane Ray. 2015 is a plethora of edge rushers. Ravens did not get a single one in a great draft. Then decide to reach in a terrible draft for edge rushers. Ozzie Decosta seems to love to keep going To the well of aging veterans and never plan to replace'em til hebis retired or ineffective. Harrison Smith should of been drafted and coached to replace ed reed. But reed was still playing and as usual the idea of his replacement never surfaced til he was no longer a raven. Then Ozzie Decosta reach for Matt Elam in the following draft.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

We will have to wait for the games to begin. Watch all the film you want. You have to know what counts and what doesnt. Tell me ONE play to view Correa bending the edge. All of his sacks are created by his burst to beat  subpar tackles. Look at Vic Beasley has better burst than Correa and is much stronger than correa. Yet he struggled cuz he only has moderate flexibility,moves,hand use. Yet his flexibility is a little  better than Correas. It is going to be interesting to see what everybody has to say when correa struggles if ravens try him at 43 defensive or 34 rush olb. It is like fans think it can argue a player into succeeding. And get defensive when somebody has an opinion that somebody may not work out at a particular position. Just because there is a need. A need at a position will not increase the likelihood of a draft pick being successful. Nobody really cared for Correa leading up to the draft. Now he is the best edge rusher in the draft.

I'm not saying he bends better than Spence I'm just saying his first step is lethal. He's far from the best edge rusher but he has the quickest first step in the class. 

 

And Vic Beasley was going 1v1 againsttackles and getting worked, he's a guy that needed to be schemes and everyone knew it and the falcona failed to do so. Pees has his shortcomings but he can dial up some great LB blitz packages and I think correa will be used more wisely than beasley was used.

 

And for the record, a lot of people thought highly of correa, there were even a few who said he could contend for DROY if used properly, me being one of them.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm not saying he bends better than Spence I'm just saying his first step is lethal. He's far from the best edge rusher but he has the quickest first step in the class. 

 

And Vic Beasley was going 1v1 againsttackles and getting worked, he's a guy that needed to be schemes and everyone knew it and the falcona failed to do so. Pees has his shortcomings but he can dial up some great LB blitz packages and I think correa will be used more wisely than beasley was used.

 

And for the record, a lot of people thought highly of correa, there were even a few who said he could contend for DROY if used properly, me being one of them.

To be fair to Beasley, he was probably the best rookie pass rusher, like we expected, but he wasn't built to be an on ball linebacker  (the Falcons are moving him to OLB) and a big part of his struggles came from more experienced tackles learning his skill set. 

In his new role, he should be facing a lot more TE's and have a lot easier time as he develops further. 

Not saying KC will be that, but Beasley was definitely the best rookie pass rusher...

*not necessarily directed at you, just in general*

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be fair to Beasley, he was probably the best rookie pass rusher, like we expected, but he wasn't built to be an on ball linebacker  (the Falcons are moving him to OLB) and a big part of his struggles came from more experienced tackles learning his skill set. 

In his new role, he should be facing a lot more TE's and have a lot easier time as he develops further. 

Not saying KC will be that, but Beasley was definitely the best rookie pass rusher...

*not necessarily directed at you, just in general*

I agree he was the best pass rusher but like I said he was misused. Everyone knew he wasn't a guy who should be in an island with the OT and he should be given space, and I'm saying the same about correa and I think He will be used properly.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I agree he was the best pass rusher but like I said he was misused. Everyone knew he wasn't a guy who should be in an island with the OT and he should be given space, and I'm saying the same about correa and I think He will be used properly.

Well, if you think they should be used the same way, 4-3 OLB is the way to go, which is what many people, yourself included, have said.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, if you think they should be used the same way, 4-3 OLB is the way to go, which is what many people, yourself included, have said.

Yup. I do think though that correa could be a better 34 olb than Beasley with some bulk and hand training. Beasley was strong but he didn't play like it, correa isn't strong by 34olb standards but he is strong for his size and plays with much more of a mean streak than beasley, if that matters. I don't think he'll be as good of a pure pass rusher though. 

 

Like I said I really hope were planning on using more 43 sets because kaufusi and Correa at Sam and BK at DE could be very dangerous, one bends so well with ridiculous length and the other explodes and sniffs out lanes to the qb and finishes very strong. In time it could be a formidable pair. It also doesn't hurt that correa can drop into coverage pretty well, mixed looks are more valuable than pure rushing imo, 43OLBs who can both cover and rush aren't easy to come by and they have a lot of value.

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I agree he was the best pass rusher but like I said he was misused. Everyone knew he wasn't a guy who should be in an island with the OT and he should be given space, and I'm saying the same about correa and I think He will be used properly.

That is what I Said regarding Correa and it seems to make everybody mad. I said he is a lethal Blitzer from the 43 strong side lb position but pitted against tackles in the trenches he could struggle. Kufusi is the dude that is going to be the destructive force at edge rusher. While Henry is the powerful yet athletic and explosive interior penetrator.  Note,see his bulllrush vs conklin. And then see Buckner vs conklin and tell me who should of been #7 overall and round4 comp pick!! Which gives the ravens young rushers at the edge, from the 43olb and an interior penetrator. If used correctly and tweak their body correctly the trio could all be total beasts. If Kufusi cuts 20lbs of excess to play the edge while adding 10-14lbs of muscle he will be as good as Jared Allen. I'm very rarely wrong about a players ceiling. And Kufusi if he tweaks his bod correctly just a touch he will be a man among boys. Henry tweaks his bod a touch and gets coached up and he will be the best interior penetrator in this draft.  Correa really doesn't Need to tweak his bod much. Maybe lean out 10-12 lbs but he is fine for strong side 43 olb position. Henry is good like he is but would serve himself to cut14-16 lbs of excess and put on 12-14lbs of muscle. He will be a monster.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Winchester

[Edgar]

My sense is that Lewis is a year away and is viewed as a guard.

Also did not care for the Ben Watson signing.

Would have preferred Braverman or Jakeem Grant by a long measure over Reynolds.

[Sami84]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

We will have to wait for the games to begin. Watch all the film you want. You have to know what counts and what doesnt. Tell me ONE play to view Correa bending the edge. All of his sacks are created by his burst to beat  subpar tackles. Look at Vic Beasley has better burst than Correa and is much stronger than correa. Yet he struggled cuz he only has moderate flexibility,moves,hand use. Yet his flexibility is a little  better than Correas. It is going to be interesting to see what everybody has to say when correa struggles if ravens try him at 43 defensive or 34 rush olb. It is like fans think it can argue a player into succeeding. And get defensive when somebody has an opinion that somebody may not work out at a particular position. Just because there is a need. A need at a position will not increase the likelihood of a draft pick being successful. Nobody really cared for Correa leading up to the draft. Now he is the best edge rusher in the draft.

 

beasley is awesome. I liked him over D.Fowler ( with or without injury). You're right, about correa however he has shown me he can bend on a few occasions but it doesnt come  naturally to him. Maybe dumervil can help him in that regard.

[Sami84]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

That is what I Said regarding Correa and it seems to make everybody mad. I said he is a lethal Blitzer from the 43 strong side lb position but pitted against tackles in the trenches he could struggle. Kufusi is the dude that is going to be the destructive force at edge rusher. While Henry is the powerful yet athletic and explosive edge rusher. Note,see his bulllrush vs conklin. And then see Buckner vs conklin and tell me who should of been #7 overall and round4 comp pick!! Which gives the ravens young rushers at the edge, from the 43olb and an interior penetrator. If used correctly and tweak their body correctly the trio could all be total beasts. If Kufusi cuts 20lbs of excess to play the edge while adding 10-14lbs of muscle he will be as good as Jared Allen. I'm very rarely wrong about a players ceiling. And Kufusi if he tweaks his bod correctly just a touch he will be a man among boys. Henry tweaks his bod a touch and gets coached up and he will be the best interior penetrator in this draft.  Correa really doesn't Need to tweak his bod much. Maybe lean out 10-12 lbs but he is fine for strong side 43 olb position. Henry is good like he is but would serve himself to cut14-16 lbs of excess and put on 12-14lbs of muscle. He will be a monster.

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agreed. The only way he wont struggle in the circumstances you desribed is if he develops a pro bowl calibre instinct..knowing plays before they happen. Agree with the rest of the post.

[flynismo]

To the OP: No clue why you got negged so much.

While I disagree with a couple of your opinions, I feel this was well thought out, and was very unbiased.

I'm also very excited for Dixon, I think he will prove to be one of the biggest steals of the draft.

I also think we dropped the ball with the Canady pick, but what can you expect that late in the draft? Canady at least does have some tools to work with, unlike most of the guys left.

KC...well, I loved that pick. I love him as a player. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to have a journeyman career. Nor would I be shocked if he turned out to make half a dozen Pro Bowls.

I didn't see or know much about Bronson, but I've done my due diligence the past few weeks, and I am extremely excited for this guy. He could prove to be the best pick of the third round.

Willie Henry was another superb pick. This was a second round pick any other year, and we got him in the 4th. I see him as the top backup to Brandon from day one, and we'll also likely try him out a good bit at DE.

And of course, Stanley. A lot of people had him as the #1 offensive lineman well before the Tunsil video. Regardless of who you like more between those two, this guy is a huge talent, and high character. He'll prove to be well worth a top 6 pick

Edited May 24, 2016 by Moderator 3
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[Winchester]

I would have replaced Alex Lewis pick with Demarcus Robinson or Reshard Robinson. The Robinsons have all pro skills. I reaIly like t. Young but went out on a limb and said Reshard Robinson will be the best cornerback in the draft. Plays a lot like Sherman b4 he juiced up and got away with it. I like him as much as I did Ron Darby. Demarcus is the most skilled all around receiver in the draft. Every move is so coordinated fluid and lightning fast. I like him as much or more than Diggs coming out. I have so much confidence in them guys to be impact players I would trade next year's #1 pick for several round3 and 4picks to grab the Robinsons and a player in round 3 like the tackle the Browns drafted. Wouldn't be surprising if he is as good as Tunsil/Ron. He is as good or better than Conklin in my opinion. Anyways I know that is a bold move and going out on a limb to trade a future round1 pick for a round 3 and several round 4 picks. But I like those players that much. 

Edited May 24, 2016 by Winchester

[JoeyFlex5]

Guys, please, can we stop quoting the op here, it's getting ridiculous. There is rarely a reason to quote the OP to begin with, since a regular post on the thread is replying to the OP by default since you're discussing the topic. 

 

Most of the time it's not a big deal, but this post is the length of an entire typical forum page, and when it gets quoted it makes it absolute hell to scroll through on mobile. 

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yup. I do think though that correa could be a better 34 olb than Beasley with some bulk and hand training. Beasley was strong but he didn't play like it, correa isn't strong by 34olb standards but he is strong for his size and plays with much more of a mean streak than beasley, if that matters. I don't think he'll be as good of a pure pass rusher though. 

 

Like I said I really hope were planning on using more 43 sets because kaufusi and Correa at Sam and BK at DE could be very dangerous, one bends so well with ridiculous length and the other explodes and sniffs out lanes to the qb and finishes very strong. In time it could be a formidable pair. It also doesn't hurt that correa can drop into coverage pretty well, mixed looks are more valuable than pure rushing imo, 43OLBs who can both cover and rush aren't easy to come by and they have a lot of value.

Beasley was used as a 4-3DE, I think he would have been much better as a standup rusher. Spence might struggle in the same way.

One guy I could see KC comparing to is Hau'oli Kikaha, in terms of style and production as a rookie. That is to say I expect him to win with athleticism, not deliver mind blowing stats but still come in handy at times and show flashes.

[Sami84]

44 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Beasley was used as a 4-3DE, I think he would have been much better as a standup rusher. Spence might struggle in the same way.

One guy I could see KC comparing to is Hau'oli Kikaha, in terms of style and production as a rookie. That is to say I expect him to win with athleticism, not deliver mind blowing stats but still come in handy at times and show flashes.

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Correa is more explosive but Kikaha has superb hand technique which is what correa needs to work on. However his burst is superior to kikaha

[jazz1988]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

In 2014 Kony ealy was once projected a top10 pick that fell cuz of a bad combine. I dont know how jernigan could be ranked higher. When ravens were up in round 2 i was torn between Allen Robinson and Ealy. 2015 draft I liked daneel Hunter and could of traded up for Shane Ray. 2015 is a plethora of edge rushers. Ravens did not get a single one in a great draft. Then decide to reach in a terrible draft for edge rushers. Ozzie Decosta seems to love to keep going To the well of aging veterans and never plan to replace'em til hebis retired or ineffective. Harrison Smith should of been drafted and coached to replace ed reed. But reed was still playing and as usual the idea of his replacement never surfaced til he was no longer a raven. Then Ozzie Decosta reach for Matt Elam in the following draft.

Maybe  combine results  played  a part In Ealy falling out of the first round but I found more than one source saying he wasn't worth being drafted in the first round base on watching him  play on tape alone.You can find those sources by typing  Ealy top ten pick  on Google . You should see something saying Notebook:Kony Ealy a First round ? by sb nation  and you should see a video by NFL.com title Missouri's Kony Ealy: I'm the best guy in this draft period . Both sources don't recognize him as a first rounder and even Mike Mayock had this to say about him"He was thought to be  a first round defensive end. However,theres a lack of consistency when you watch more tape".

 

Ealy even fell on  Mike Mayock board from being the second best defensive end to the fourth best . Timmy Jernigan was rated as the second best defensive tackle on Mike Mayock board and I even saw many mock drafts and etc having him go high in the 2014 draft especially to The Bears  but he fell to the second round possibily due to him failing his drug test.

 

I didn't know alot about Jernigan but he was quite dominate in his bowl  game when Florida State(his team) was playing against Ohio State.I really don't get how drafting  Elam in the first round is considered  a reach when the guy was rated as a first rounder and one of the better defensive players at his position  in the draft. It wasn't like The Ravens had a high pick in the first round either because they had the last pick in the first round that year in 2013.

Overall I don't see how it didnt make sense for The Ravens to draft Elam and Jernigan becuase both players fit the Ravens best player available model.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Correa is more explosive but Kikaha has superb hand technique which is what correa needs to work on. However his burst is superior to kikaha

Correa has violent hands, he lacks the technique, I can't argue with that, but I think he will learn how to use them properly very quickly. He will need some time to refine it, but he can learn the basis by the start of next season. 

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Maybe  combine results  played  a part In Ealy falling out of the first round but I found more than one source saying he wasn't worth being drafted in the first round base on watching him  play on tape alone.You can find those sources by typing  Ealy top ten pick  on Google . You should see something saying Notebook:Kony Ealy a First round ? by sb nation  and you should see a video by NFL.com title Missouri's Kony Ealy: I'm the best guy in this draft period . Both sources don't recognize him as a first rounder and even Mike Mayock had this to say about him"He was thought to be  a first round defensive end. However,theres a lack of consistency when you watch more tape".

 

Ealy even fell on  Mike Mayock board from being the second best defensive end to the fourth best . Timmy Jernigan was rated as the second best defensive tackle on Mike Mayock board and I even saw many mock drafts and etc having him go high in the 2014 draft especially to The Bears  but he fell to the second round possibily due to him failing his drug test.

 

I didn't know alot about Jernigan but he was quite dominate in his bowl  game when Florida State(his team) was playing against Ohio State.I really don't get how drafting  Elam in the first round is considered  a reach when the guy was rated as a first rounder and one of the better defensive players at his position  in the draft. It wasn't like The Ravens had a high pick in the first round either because they had the last pick in the first round that year in 2013.

Overall I don't see how it didnt make sense for The Ravens to draft Elam and Jernigan becuase both players fit the Ravens best player available model.

Ealy fell after the combine. I used to like Mayock but saw and heard some things he no longer cared about scouting like he once loved it. Anyways the #4 edge rusher could be a beast and the #2 tackle a touch above average. To be honest I watched about 10 plays of a game and the first player that I thought of was Bruce Smith. I believed he could of been in a little better shape(like Bruce coming out but he got in top shape) which made his burst and crazy flexibility/leverage that much impressive!! 

Jernigan was more a run stuffer and many said Elams limited skills would not transfer to the pro game. He was surrounded by superior talent at florida. He was a panic replace ed reed reach pick any way you cut it!! Ozzie Decosta even said are you ready to replace ed reed. It was a terrible pick at the time and worse pick now.  I can't believe there are fans that continue to back him as a potential standout player. Look at the date of those articles. You will more than likely find them dated post combine. Every player coming out you could say is inconsistent. Nobody dominates all the time. Mack was said to be inconsistent. This is the year jernigan needs to break out or he is just a solid player. I don't know how anybody can justify jernigan over Ealy and Robinson. There are no excuses. Ozzie Decosta overlooked far better players and selected Jernigan. Robinson is already a top 5 WR and Ealy is primed for a  great year. Jernigan is a touch above average.

[Jacquouille]

37 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Ealy fell after the combine. I used to like Mayock but saw and heard some things he no longer cared about scouting like he once loved it. Anyways the #4 edge rusher could be a beast and the #2 tackle a touch above average. To be honest I watched about 10 plays of a game and the first player that I thought of was Bruce Smith. I believed he could of been in a little better shape(like Bruce coming out but he got in top shape) which made his burst and crazy flexibility/leverage that much impressive!! 

Jernigan was more a run stuffer and many said Elams limited skills would not transfer to the pro game. He was surrounded by superior talent at florida. He was a panic replace ed reed reach pick any way you cut it!! Ozzie Decosta even said are you ready to replace ed reed. It was a terrible pick at the time and worse pick now.  I can't believe there are fans that continue to back him as a potential standout player. Look at the date of those articles. You will more than likely find them dated post combine. Every player coming out you could say is inconsistent. Nobody dominates all the time. Mack was said to be inconsistent. This is the year jernigan needs to break out or he is just a solid player. I don't know how anybody can justify jernigan over Ealy and Robinson. There are no excuses. Ozzie Decosta overlooked far better players and selected Jernigan. Robinson is already a top 5 WR and Ealy is primed for a  great year. Jernigan is a touch above average.

Apart from the SB, Ealy didn't really blow anything up. Jernigan, in the second half of the season, was downright dominant. I tried to watch some highlights to judge our defense during draft season, and Jernigan was jumping out on every play they were showing. I'd like to know his stats, but he was pressuring the QB all day. The Big Ben interception #1, he's got TJ in his face. McCown and Keenum, they remember TJ. Jernigan has a pretty good PFF grade, not far from a Pro Bowler's.

What I mean is, you can say Ealy is poised for a great season, but so is Timmy. Honestly he worried me in the first half, but he's willing to be a dominant player and I trust Cullen to make him work to the hardest. He's dumb at times but he's also super agressive and when he puts it all together he's gonna be a dog.

EDIT: Some help from the edges would help, also

Edited May 24, 2016 by Jacquouille

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Winchester said:

That is what I Said regarding Correa and it seems to make everybody mad. I said he is a lethal Blitzer from the 43 strong side lb position but pitted against tackles in the trenches he could struggle. Kufusi is the dude that is going to be the destructive force at edge rusher. While Henry is the powerful yet athletic and explosive interior penetrator.  Note,see his bulllrush vs conklin. And then see Buckner vs conklin and tell me who should of been #7 overall and round4 comp pick!! Which gives the ravens young rushers at the edge, from the 43olb and an interior penetrator. If used correctly and tweak their body correctly the trio could all be total beasts. If Kufusi cuts 20lbs of excess to play the edge while adding 10-14lbs of muscle he will be as good as Jared Allen. I'm very rarely wrong about a players ceiling. And Kufusi if he tweaks his bod correctly just a touch he will be a man among boys. Henry tweaks his bod a touch and gets coached up and he will be the best interior penetrator in this draft.  Correa really doesn't Need to tweak his bod much. Maybe lean out 10-12 lbs but he is fine for strong side 43 olb position. Henry is good like he is but would serve himself to cut14-16 lbs of excess and put on 12-14lbs of muscle. He will be a monster.

No, the problem i think ppl have with you is that you bash Ozzie and Decosta for drafts... even verbatim saying i cant stand how they wait for a draft with no edge rushers to replace Doom and Sizzle...

Yet then go on to say that Kaufusi will be a double digit sack guy as a DE, Correa will a beast as a 4-3 OLB who can cover and be an X Factor as a blitzer, and Henry is an animal interior pass rusher.... Basically saying that, in certain looks (which its rumored we could be switching to more of a 4-3 base) they NAILED the draft by getting 2 beast rushers and an all around 3 down LBer which is way more valuable than a pass rush specialist (especially when you yourself said that neither Spence or Yannick will be double digit sack guys).

Sounds like, in your words, they had an awesome draft and waited for good reason bc they nailed a monster pass rusher in round 3 which allowed them to get a WR and MLB in the past 2 drafts.

So..... what did they do wrong exactly?

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Beasley was used as a 4-3DE, I think he would have been much better as a standup rusher. Spence might struggle in the same way.

One guy I could see KC comparing to is Hau'oli Kikaha, in terms of style and production as a rookie. That is to say I expect him to win with athleticism, not deliver mind blowing stats but still come in handy at times and show flashes.

Ehh I actually think they're polar opposites. Kikaha coming out was very refined with his hand usage and he engaged tackles very well, he's more suited for the 34 than correa because he can play up close, correa works better in space

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ealy fell after the combine. I used to like Mayock but saw and heard some things he no longer cared about scouting like he once loved it. Anyways the #4 edge rusher could be a beast and the #2 tackle a touch above average. To be honest I watched about 10 plays of a game and the first player that I thought of was Bruce Smith. I believed he could of been in a little better shape(like Bruce coming out but he got in top shape) which made his burst and crazy flexibility/leverage that much impressive!! 

Jernigan was more a run stuffer and many said Elams limited skills would not transfer to the pro game. He was surrounded by superior talent at florida. He was a panic replace ed reed reach pick any way you cut it!! Ozzie Decosta even said are you ready to replace ed reed. It was a terrible pick at the time and worse pick now.  I can't believe there are fans that continue to back him as a potential standout player. Look at the date of those articles. You will more than likely find them dated post combine. Every player coming out you could say is inconsistent. Nobody dominates all the time. Mack was said to be inconsistent. This is the year jernigan needs to break out or he is just a solid player. I don't know how anybody can justify jernigan over Ealy and Robinson. There are no excuses. Ozzie Decosta overlooked far better players and selected Jernigan. Robinson is already a top 5 WR and Ealy is primed for a  great year. Jernigan is a touch above average.

Ealy combine performance wasn't even that bad at all.He didn't do great in his 40 but you really trying to convince me it was just his combine performance that cause him to drop out of the first round after being considered a top ten pick?it wasn't just Mike Mayock that said his tape wasn't good enough but other well respected NFL analyst said the same and keep  in mind after the  combine most teams get back to studying tape on players.

 

Ealy could be a beast but has he been a beast for The Panthers in the past two years for them ?No . He's been inconsistent  just like he was in college and his best showing only happened in the super bowl but for some reason his inconsistency is passable than Jernigans. 

Mack may have been inconsistent as well but I bet it be hard for you find many sources that doubted him being a first round talent base off tape alone like Ealy.

I dont ever remember Decosta ever putting Elam and Reed in the same sentence when they drafted him. You can call him a panic pick but he's definitely not a reach like you seem to believe since he was rated as a first rounder from the start .

 

I really don't understand your mentioning of Allen Robinson. I know  if I was in The Ravens shoes knowing Ngata may not be on the team for the foreseeable  future and the number 2 rated defensive tackle fell to me I definitely take him over Robinson because believe  it or not Jernigan was higher value than Robinson at the time.

That's not me saying Ozzie and Decosta are prefect but it's really fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2016 by jazz1988

[Jacquouille]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ehh I actually think they're polar opposites. Kikaha coming out was very refined with his hand usage and he engaged tackles very well, he's more suited for the 34 than correa because he can play up close, correa works better in space

Yeah you and Sami said the same thing, so I'll go back to watching Kikaha's tape. Anyway I recall Kikaha had 4 sacks, that's what I'm waiting to see with Correa. 

[BmoreBird22]

13 hours ago, Sami84 said:

beasley is awesome. I liked him over D.Fowler ( with or without injury). You're right, about correa however he has shown me he can bend on a few occasions but it doesnt come  naturally to him. Maybe dumervil can help him in that regard.

Fowler was my number one rusher in the draft, but Beasley has an insane ceiling

[JoeyFlex5]

38 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah you and Sami said the same thing, so I'll go back to watching Kikaha's tape. Anyway I recall Kikaha had 4 sacks, that's what I'm waiting to see with Correa. 

Again I think it comes down to proper utilization of the players. Kikaha actually reminded me a lot of suggs coming out in the sense that he's a legit LB and not just a rusher, in the 34 he plays the run very well and rushes the passer physical and refined, correa very well could have a bigger impact in the passing game but in the 34 I think He will struggle against the run. In a 43 I think He has elite potential in all facets because of his nose for the ball and his burst and speed, kikaha strikes me as a more "steady" type of guy who is always gonna make his presence felt in some way by doing the dirty work when he's not rushing the passer. Both are good players I think

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Apart from the SB, Ealy didn't really blow anything up. Jernigan, in the second half of the season, was downright dominant. I tried to watch some highlights to judge our defense during draft season, and Jernigan was jumping out on every play they were showing. I'd like to know his stats, but he was pressuring the QB all day. The Big Ben interception #1, he's got TJ in his face. McCown and Keenum, they remember TJ. Jernigan has a pretty good PFF grade, not far from a Pro Bowler's.

What I mean is, you can say Ealy is poised for a great season, but so is Timmy. Honestly he worried me in the first half, but he's willing to be a dominant player and I trust Cullen to make him work to the hardest. He's dumb at times but he's also super agressive and when he puts it all together he's gonna be a dog.

EDIT: Some help from the edges would help, also

4 sacks, seven hits, 16 hurries. I'd imagine most of that was later in the year.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

Ealy combine performance wasn't even that bad at all.He didn't do great in his 40 but you really trying to convince me it was just his combine performance that cause him to drop out of the first round after being considered a top ten pick?it wasn't just Mike Mayock that said his tape wasn't good enough but other well respected NFL analyst said the same and keep  in mind after the  combine most teams get back to studying tape on players.

 

Ealy could be a beast but has he been a beast for The Panthers in the past two years for them ?No . He's been inconsistent  just like he was in college and his best showing only happened in the super bowl but for some reason his inconsistency is passable than Jernigans. 

Mack may have been inconsistent as well but I bet it be hard for you find many sources that doubted him being a first round talent base off tape alone like Ealy.

I dont ever remember Decosta ever putting Elam and Reed in the same sentence when they drafted him. You can call him a panic pick but he's definitely not a reach like you seem to believe since he was rated as a first rounder from the start .

 

I really don't understand your mentioning of Allen Robinson. I know  if I was in The Ravens shoes knowing Ngata may not be on the team for the foreseeable  future and the number 2 rated defensive tackle fell to me I definitely take him over Robinson because believe  it or not Jernigan was higher value than Robinson at the time.

That's not me saying Ozzie and Decosta are prefect but it's really fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not everybody said Elam was a round 1 talent. Many said he would bomb out in the nfl. Jernigan was an run stuffer undersized for the nfl in that role. Not a chance you could tell me jernigan was the better pick than ealy or Robinson. And as you can see no team in the nfl right now would prefer jernigan!! Those are excuses. Owners want results not excuses. Is a fired gm to say " gee boss I took the dudes Mayock(or anybody else for that matter) rated higher. I dunno how the rival teams players turned out to be better players" Ozzie Decosta and all gms make the picks and are responsible for them. Just ask all the fired gms out there and gms on the hot seat. And Ozzie Decosta said are you ready to be ed reeds replacement. look it up

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No, the problem i think ppl have with you is that you bash Ozzie and Decosta for drafts... even verbatim saying i cant stand how they wait for a draft with no edge rushers to replace Doom and Sizzle...

Yet then go on to say that Kaufusi will be a double digit sack guy as a DE, Correa will a beast as a 4-3 OLB who can cover and be an X Factor as a blitzer, and Henry is an animal interior pass rusher.... Basically saying that, in certain looks (which its rumored we could be switching to more of a 4-3 base) they NAILED the draft by getting 2 beast rushers and an all around 3 down LBer which is way more valuable than a pass rush specialist (especially when you yourself said that neither Spence or Yannick will be double digit sack guys).

Sounds like, in your words, they had an awesome draft and waited for good reason bc they nailed a monster pass rusher in round 3 which allowed them to get a WR and MLB in the past 2 drafts.

So..... what did they do wrong exactly?

I can't dislike previous drafts but like this one?? Sounds like you are implying you have to love every move Ozzie Decosta makes. Or else hate every move Ozzie Decosta makes??

[rmcjacket23]

33 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Not everybody said Elam was a round 1 talent. Many said he would bomb out in the nfl. Jernigan was an run stuffer undersized for the nfl in that role. Not a chance you could tell me jernigan was the better pick than ealy or Robinson. And as you can see no team in the nfl right now would prefer jernigan!! Those are excuses. Owners want results not excuses. Is a fired gm to say " gee boss I took the dudes Mayock(or anybody else for that matter) rated higher. I dunno how the rival teams players turned out to be better players" Ozzie Decosta and all gms make the picks and are responsible for them. Just ask all the fired gms out there and gms on the hot seat. And Ozzie Decosta said are you ready to be ed reeds replacement. look it up

And as all former GMs will tell you...

"When you listen to the fans, you'll end up sitting with the fans". When fans tell you to do something, sprint the other way. Don't walk, don't jog, don't run... sprint as far away as possible.