My take on the draft and the Offseason

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Ochi caused him problems in that game to say the least.

From the snaps I watched until now, Lewis was lined up at OG. 

[Sami84]

23 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

From the snaps I watched until now, Lewis was lined up at OG. 

he was LT mostly and Ochi was on him quite a lot of the time.

[usmccharles]

48 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

he was LT mostly and Ochi was on him quite a lot of the time.

I don't think we have to worry about him playing LT here

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think we have to worry about him playing LT here

Yup, unless people enjoyed the james hurst experience. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Sami84 said:

Yup, unless people enjoyed the james hurst experience. 

That's why I think keeping Monroe is worth it.

[Sami84]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That's why I think keeping Monroe is worth it.

agreed. I'd be very dissapointed if we cut monroe. He's a very good tackle when healthy and whos to say he WONT be this year? I hope the FO realizes that our best offensive line must include both stanley and monroe

[usmccharles]

Just now, Sami84 said:

agreed. I'd be very dissapointed if we cut monroe. He's a very good tackle when healthy and whos to say he WONT be this year? I hope the FO realizes that our best offensive line must include both stanley and monroe

Agreed, if Monroe stays healthy any Stanley performs well at G, we could have a nice OL.  But Monroe being healthy is a big if, but at least he has had time to recover

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Agreed, if Monroe stays healthy any Stanley performs well at G, we could have a nice OL.  But Monroe being healthy is a big if, but at least he has had time to recover

 

I actually would prefer stanley and monroe manning the tackle positions. Unlike tunsil, i don't know if gaurd brings the best out of Stanley's talents.  I quite like the idea of Stanley next to Yanda at RT

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I actually would prefer stanley and monroe manning the tackle positions. Unlike tunsil, i don't know if gaurd brings the best out of Stanley's talents.  I quite like the idea of Stanley next to Yanda at RT

Yea that would be an upgrade imo

[Jacquouille]

I agree with the above. Stanley is not made to be a guard, he would struggle because if he doesn't have the strength to handle rushers, how could he handle DTs? RT could be the best option, keeping Wagner as the back up or as a G. Monroe is needed if we don't want to mess with Ronnie's career. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Rick Wagner is one year removed from being he best RT in the league, and that was due to an injury. If he returns to form and we bench him for the sake of fielding Stanley and monroe, then we are playing a dangerous game. This is a contract year and Wagner will believe in his abilities, he will get offered a cheaper deal but will likely say to hell with the ravens after an undeserved benching. 

 

In short, don't throw stanley out there just because he's your first rounder. If Wagner is playing to his standards, then he should start at RT, if Monroe magically stays healthy and plays well, then he should start until Stanley overtakes him, and if Stanley can hold up at guard then we need to put real guards out there. 

 

Monroe likely isn't here for the future, Wagner could very well be in our future plans. Why we would stir up trouble by benching Wagner instead of Monroe is beyond me.

[Sami84]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Rick Wagner is one year removed from being he best RT in the league, and that was due to an injury. If he returns to form and we bench him for the sake of fielding Stanley and monroe, then we are playing a dangerous game. This is a contract year and Wagner will believe in his abilities, he will get offered a cheaper deal but will likely say to hell with the ravens after an undeserved benching. 

 

In short, don't throw stanley out there just because he's your first rounder. If Wagner is playing to his standards, then he should start at RT, if Monroe magically stays healthy and plays well, then he should start until Stanley overtakes him, and if Stanley can hold up at guard then we need to put real guards out there. 

 

Monroe likely isn't here for the future, Wagner could very well be in our future plans. Why we would stir up trouble by benching Wagner instead of Monroe is beyond me.

 

Monroe is a far superior player than wagner when healthy. I guess we could try stanley at gaurd IF he gains a lot more strength. It really comes down to if Wagner was a one year wonder or not ( injury reasons or not)..

[Jacquouille]

That makes sense, but what do we do, bench Stanley and wait for Monroe to get hurt?

[Sami84]

13 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

That makes sense, but what do we do, bench Stanley and wait for Monroe to get hurt?

No..stanley can as someone mentioned play left gaurd..but i think our best formation would have him and monroe together..either way..monroe and stanely need to be on the O line together or its a downgrade IMHO

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

Monroe is a far superior player than wagner when healthy. I guess we could try stanley at gaurd IF he gains a lot more strength. It really comes down to if Wagner was a one year wonder or not ( injury reasons or not)..

I just don't think a RT plays that well by chance. and Monroe doesn't seem to be in our future plans, so unless Monroe blows Wagner and Stanley out of the water then I don't think he should start over Wagner who we may want for the future and if Monroe outperforms Stanley early on then I think He should start at LT, because there's nothing wrong with sitting a rookie. 

Im all for fielding the 5 best players and I'm not saying a healthy Monroe is bad, I'm just saying we shouldn't go throwing Stanley into the fire over Wagner just because we get impatient and wanna throw our first rounder out there. If Wagner is healthy and performing well then he should be starting, and if Monroe is looking like the starter then he should start, Stanley will get on the field and he will play well when he is ready, no need to rush him and piss off our possible future RT just for the sake of getting a high pick on the field immediately.

[Jacquouille]

I just think Stanley would get manhandled by DTs. If his problems is his upper body strength, then do you really believe it's a good idea to throw him against Dareus, Suh, Kyles Williams, Marlon Brown, Richardson, Heyward, Atkins, to name a few guys that we face this year.

[Sami84]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

10 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I just think Stanley would get manhandled by DTs. If his problems is his upper body strength, then do you really believe it's a good idea to throw him against Dareus, Suh, Kyles Williams, Marlon Brown, Richardson, Heyward, Atkins, to name a few guys that we face this year.

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Marlon brown ay

[Jacquouille]

34 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

Marlon brown ay

Was it malcolm Brown? The 2015 1St rounder from the Pats.

[Sami84]

either way, Ronnie stanley can potentially do well at gaurd if he does gain the upper body strength. It was the same issue with Da'Brickashaw ferguson whos easily in my eyes the closest thing to stanley coming out of college i've seen.

[trevorsteadman]

I think the best possible lineup is as follows...

Monroe - Stanley - Zuttah - Yanda - Wagner

 

I agree with JoeyFlex5 that you play the best players. To me Monroe is worth keeping. Unless some miracle happened and a player post June 1st gets cut that no one expects and we need the cap to get them. I think Stanley will be top 5 tackle in 2 years but I am worried about how he plays in the NFL next season. I think he has the tools to play left guard. I mean most runs run behind the right guard anyway. Wagner will play himself into a huge contract. What if Stanley gets injured week one then we would be stuck with very inexperienced tackles. I get it we want more shiny players on this team but what killed us last year was not the lack of talent, it was the lack of depth. Injuries happen and the best thing you can do is keep the players you know can play. Plus Monroe has been working out really well this last offseason and has looked ripped.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the best possible lineup is as follows...

Monroe - Stanley - Zuttah - Yanda - Wagner

 

I agree with JoeyFlex5 that you play the best players. To me Monroe is worth keeping. Unless some miracle happened and a player post June 1st gets cut that no one expects and we need the cap to get them. I think Stanley will be top 5 tackle in 2 years but I am worried about how he plays in the NFL next season. I think he has the tools to play left guard. I mean most runs run behind the right guard anyway. Wagner will play himself into a huge contract. What if Stanley gets injured week one then we would be stuck with very inexperienced tackles. I get it we want more shiny players on this team but what killed us last year was not the lack of talent, it was the lack of depth. Injuries happen and the best thing you can do is keep the players you know can play. Plus Monroe has been working out really well this last offseason and has looked ripped.

 

i dig that lineup. 

[Sami84]

would love to see an upgrade at C though

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

would love to see an upgrade at C though

Zuttah has been average at best and I wouldn't be surprised if we checked out Ryan Jensen or John Urschel at Center. 

[harfordravenfan]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea that would be an upgrade imo

Either way, gonna suck for Wagner or Jenson 

Both I believe will be in there contract year (just going off memory, could be wrong) and I like both of them

[harfordravenfan]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Zuttah has been average at best and I wouldn't be surprised if we checked out Ryan Jensen or John Urschel at Center. 

I think urshel will be groomed for center

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, harfordravenfan said:

Either way, gonna suck for Wagner or Jenson 

Both I believe will be in there contract year (just going off memory, could be wrong) and I like both of them

I'll be disappointed if we lose both.

[harfordravenfan]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

I'll be disappointed if we lose both.

Agreed, although playing injured Wagner was one of the top right tackles and I love the mean streak Jenson plays with. I was originally talking about how it could cost them $ on their next contract  if they are reduced to backups 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, harfordravenfan said:

Agreed, although playing injured Wagner was one of the top right tackles and I love the mean streak Jenson plays with. I was originally talking about how it could cost them $ on their next contract  if they are reduced to backups 

I think someone will take a chance on Wagner after his 2013 or 2014 campaign when he was the best RT in the league. I really hope you are right. I think we will be able to retain one. I think Jensen gets a good chance to be our starting center this season. 

[harfordravenfan]

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think someone will take a chance on Wagner after his 2013 or 2014 campaign when he was the best RT in the league. I really hope you are right. I think we will be able to retain one. I think Jensen gets a good chance to be our starting center this season. 

Can definitely see Wagner getting a decent second contract just not sure if it will be here or not. Jenson has the advantage of being able to play multiple spots yet we have more interior depth

[trevorsteadman]

33 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Can definitely see Wagner getting a decent second contract just not sure if it will be here or not. Jenson has the advantage of being able to play multiple spots yet we have more interior depth

That is also why I like Urschel. Both can play both guard spots and center. Wagner I think will break out again this season. We need our offensive line to play well to block for these young runners of ours and to set up the deep passing game which won us the super bowl.