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We will learn a whole lot about the Ravens next week in OTAs. Don’t dismiss Eugene Monroe’s campaign for medical marijuana. Zachary Orr’s stock is on the rise, but the Ravens have enough cap space to sign a veteran to compete.

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[Tobenna_MBA]

Cant for the life of me figure out whats going on with Arthur Brown... a 2nd round draft pick and here we are looking for outside help for a MLB position. Why is brown still on the roster after 3 years if we have no plans for him to get reps in the position he was drafted. If he cant play then he cant play. lets move on but if he can, he should be given an opportunity at the job its been 3 years now and we have no tape on this guy.

As for monroe... I think We should keep him as an insurance policy.. all this talk about cutting him doesnt really bode well for our O line if the rookie struggles. I think with monroe at LT, stanley at Guard, Zuttah at center, Yanda at LG and wagner or lewis at RT we could have a top 3 offensive line. Im not too thrilled with urschel. The guy is brilliant and is solid depth but I wonder of his committment to getting better at his craft. He comes off like a Matt Elam to me in the sense that whenever we hear about him its never really football related ( finishing is PHD at MIT, playing chess, writing thought provoking articles). MOre power to him and to each his own but when it comes time to suit up his performance and growth in the trenches will be scrutinized if he hasnt taken his year 3 leap. SImilar to monroe who appears to be focussed in other areas in a very critical Make or break year for him.

[sami]

Cant for the life of me figure out whats going on with Arthur Brown... a 2nd round draft pick and here we are looking for outside help for a MLB position. Why is brown still on the roster after 3 years if we have no plans for him to get reps in the position he was drafted. If he cant play then he cant play. lets move on but if he can, he should be given an opportunity at the job its been 3 years now and we have no tape on this guy.

As for monroe... I think We should keep him as an insurance policy.. all this talk about cutting him doesnt really bode well for our O line if the rookie struggles. I think with monroe at LT, stanley at Guard, Zuttah at center, Yanda at LG and wagner or lewis at RT we could have a top 3 offensive line. Im not too thrilled with urschel. The guy is brilliant and is solid depth but I wonder of his committment to getting better at his craft. He comes off like a Matt Elam to me in the sense that whenever we hear about him its never really football related ( finishing is PHD at MIT, playing chess, writing thought provoking articles). MOre power to him and to each his own but when it comes time to suit up his performance and growth in the trenches will be scrutinized if he hasnt taken his year 3 leap. SImilar to monroe who appears to be focussed in other areas in a very critical Make or break year for him.

The Ravens didn't say they were looking for outside help....Eisenberg said it.

[RRRRRavens]

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

[steelcityraven]

Opinion.... I think we may have more faith in Arthur Brown and Zach Orr then people know. This never seemed to be a pressing issue for the Ravens brass. Not when it came to re-signing Daryl Smith, not when it came to bringing in a FA when FA period opened and not when it came to the draft. Heck we even drafted a RB and WR where we are extremely deep. We didn't even go after a late round ILB. Maybe the coaching staff and FO know more then they let on about what we have in house????

[steelcityraven]

Opinion.... I still would like to see us bring in another starting caliber CB. Jimmy has not completed a season in a long time. Will Davis is coming off of an injury. Sharece Wright is solid but if something happened to Jimmy would we be comfortable. I like the Powers signing and I love that we picked up Tavon and Cannaday but as deep as we seem right now that could get depleted very quickly (of course we still have Webb who could move over but that would require either Elam, Brooks or KLewis to step up). IDK maybe not but I would like to see another quality CB added. (recent years have shown us that we cant have enough quality CB's).

[steelcityraven]

One last Opinion.... Suggs is in the twilight of his career. Dumerville is no spring chicken either - and while those two may still be productive- Can we count on ZSmith and K Coreia if they needed be step in? (I think so) but with Biscotti going out and saying he wants to improve the pass rush...wouldn't be shocked to see another addition there (unless Judon or Ochi are the real deal).

[law215]

In my opinion this season will be defined by primary 2 things. Health and contributions from the guys they brought in through the draft and no drop off from guys returning from injury. In the draft, the Ravens doubled, no tripled down on pass rushers and did not add ILB or safeties. So it makes me believe they are counting on Frazier to coach-up guys like Elam, Lewis, and Brooks to be better contributors while believing that Webb, Brown and Orr can successfully take on expanded/new roles. Also the Ravens are deep in some positions (RB, Wr, O-line) so it will be interesting to see who makes the team. That's a good problem to have. Now can we stay healthy?

[bioLarzen]

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

Sounds nice - but this doesn't change the fact that there is one thing nobody denies - that the relevant rule has been broken. And no NFL official or rich owner has anything to do with it, the sole responsible is the coach who ordered the rookies wear full pads.

A serious organization owns up their mistakes. Let's not be all Patriots about it, like Kraft and Brady who did anything but admit they are responsible for the deflated balls.

[The Greek]

Cant for the life of me figure out whats going on with Arthur Brown... a 2nd round draft pick and here we are looking for outside help for a MLB position. Why is brown still on the roster after 3 years if we have no plans for him to get reps in the position he was drafted. If he cant play then he cant play. lets move on but if he can, he should be given an opportunity at the job its been 3 years now and we have no tape on this guy.

As for monroe... I think We should keep him as an insurance policy.. all this talk about cutting him doesnt really bode well for our O line if the rookie struggles. I think with monroe at LT, stanley at Guard, Zuttah at center, Yanda at LG and wagner or lewis at RT we could have a top 3 offensive line. Im not too thrilled with urschel. The guy is brilliant and is solid depth but I wonder of his committment to getting better at his craft. He comes off like a Matt Elam to me in the sense that whenever we hear about him its never really football related ( finishing is PHD at MIT, playing chess, writing thought provoking articles). MOre power to him and to each his own but when it comes time to suit up his performance and growth in the trenches will be scrutinized if he hasnt taken his year 3 leap. SImilar to monroe who appears to be focussed in other areas in a very critical Make or break year for him.

you sure you didnt mean to type james hurst. urschel was solid imo and as for hurst he may be better suited to play guard or RT

[JimmyBlack]

Opinion.... I think we may have more faith in Arthur Brown and Zach Orr then people know. This never seemed to be a pressing issue for the Ravens brass. Not when it came to re-signing Daryl Smith, not when it came to bringing in a FA when FA period opened and not when it came to the draft. Heck we even drafted a RB and WR where we are extremely deep. We didn't even go after a late round ILB. Maybe the coaching staff and FO know more then they let on about what we have in house????

I see Orr ahead of Brown for the starting slot. It would be nice to pick up a high motor guy who can cover the pass as well as the run. This might happen via trade or after the rosters are cut down later on in the summer. I don't see CB as their top need right now.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

First, the practice with pads was just a dumb dumb mistake by the coaching staff period and a costly one at that. I read that it is a $100k fine to the coach (Harbs) and a $250k fine to the team (Ravens). Whether or not those numbers change much if at all doesn't matter, because the message it clear play by the rules. To all those that think Harbs was trying to make a point, there is no point to make. The Ravens tape their practices so it's not like they would have gotten away with it at all. More than anything I'm just disappointed. I honestly thought Harbs was about playing by the rules based on the way he talks/coaches up the players. Gotta lead by example and step up and own your mistakes.

Concerning Monroe's advocating medical marijuana, I applaud him and it's about time. The financial contribution is also speaks to the seriousness of his perspective. Israel has been studying marijuana for much longer than any other country and it would be beneficial to establish a working relation with them to better understand the implications.

The inside LB role will be an interesting competition. A Brown hasn't shown the ability to solid in coverage and is not a big pass rush threat, making him a first/second down player (running plays). Z Orr has shown some flashes as a pass rusher and okay coverage, making him a second and long, third down player (passing situations). Between the two of them you can have a reliable rotation but I would be hesitant to role into the season with the combo. If one gets injured your all of a sudden in a big hole with no obvious solutions.

I think both players can be much better than what we have seen but it starts with motivation. Orr seems motivated still, but Brown seems to have lost a bit of his drive over the last few seasons behind D Smith in depth. Time for Brown to wake up and realize the situation he has in front of him, not only for a starting role but a nice raise if he takes the opportunity and runs with it. I expected a bigger fight from him being a second rounder.

[cobrajet]

  2 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

Sounds nice - but this doesn't change the fact that there is one thing nobody denies - that the relevant rule has been broken. And no NFL official or rich owner has anything to do with it, the sole responsible is the coach who ordered the rookies wear full pads.

A serious organization owns up their mistakes. Let's not be all Patriots about it, like Kraft and Brady who did anything but admit they are responsible for the deflated balls.

I agree, if they are investigating us for wearing pads, I hope we are completely honest about what happened. I can't imagine us trying to weasel out of anything, because it seems like something easy to investigate.

[RRRRRavens]

  2 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

Sounds nice - but this doesn't change the fact that there is one thing nobody denies - that the relevant rule has been broken. And no NFL official or rich owner has anything to do with it, the sole responsible is the coach who ordered the rookies wear full pads.

A serious organization owns up their mistakes. Let's not be all Patriots about it, like Kraft and Brady who did anything but admit they are responsible for the deflated balls.

It doesn't change the facts of the case but it does affect the punishment phase. Punishment should fit the crime. Five minutes in pads which you then self-correct when this is pointed out by your own team should be punished far differently than a full session or sessions in pads which is caught by non-team members. Judges understand that and rule accordingly. The NFL's leaders past performances in administering punishment in similar events shows they are inconsistent, incompetent and even corrupt at their core. The league needs help here. Why don't they reach out for it?

[cobrajet]

I can understand Monroe's argument. Instead of taking Percocet, which is addictive, he may feel safer taking the marihuana pill for pain. I do not know if drug testing can differentiate between if you took the pill form or smoked some marihuana.

[RRRRRavens]

There is another issue regarding using various pain relieving medications on athletes be they opioid or other forms. Pain is nature’s way of telling you that you are risking serious musculo-skeletal damage if you continue the activity that is provoking the pain. Whether any pain deadening medication should be used during serious physical exertion is an open question considering the possible consequence of permanent disability.

[The Greek]

One last Opinion.... Suggs is in the twilight of his career. Dumerville is no spring chicken either - and while those two may still be productive- Can we count on ZSmith and K Coreia if they needed be step in? (I think so) but with Biscotti going out and saying he wants to improve the pass rush...wouldn't be shocked to see another addition there (unless Judon or Ochi are the real deal).

do not forget kaufusi. the kid reminds me of jared allen in a way. hopefully he has that kind of a career

[WNC-Raven]

20 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

21 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  3 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

Sounds nice - but this doesn't change the fact that there is one thing nobody denies - that the relevant rule has been broken. And no NFL official or rich owner has anything to do with it, the sole responsible is the coach who ordered the rookies wear full pads.

A serious organization owns up their mistakes. Let's not be all Patriots about it, like Kraft and Brady who did anything but admit they are responsible for the deflated balls.

It doesn't change the facts of the case but it does affect the punishment phase. Punishment should fit the crime. Five minutes in pads which you then self-correct when this is pointed out by your own team should be punished far differently than a full session or sessions in pads which is caught by non-team members. Judges understand that and rule accordingly. The NFL's leaders past performances in administering punishment in similar events shows they are inconsistent, incompetent and even corrupt at their core. The league needs help here. Why don't they reach out for it?

Why is it so difficult for people to understand? There is no difference in breaking the rules or law for 5 minutes or 5 hours.
Let's say Watson didnt notify the coach of their infraction. How long do you think they would have continued in pads for? 

[Crusader]

Orr has the best chance to be a star. Brown is good on special teams.

[Crusader]

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

[The Beak]

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

I could somewhat agree with you if I didnt know about our injuries last year...Yes we lost games to subpar teams last year , but for crying out loud dude, we lost Flacco, Suggs SSSr, Periman, Forset . Monroe, Zuttah, Davis, and a few more, you can honestly say with a straight face that the injuries didnt cause our bad play last year..
Yes we are reloading,, C-MON Dude get serious......

[ellicottraven]

The bottomline as I see it is the Ravens have to give Arthur Brown a fair chance to succeed. The reason we traded up to get him in the 2nd round is because our scouts and front office believed he had the talent to be a very good ILB. So, there could be two other reasons why he isn't suiting up. One, he has a difficult time understanding our defensive scheme and overthinks his role and therefore plays and reacts slower than needed. Two, he doesn't put in the work that is needed or perceived by Harbs to be needed and therefore is in the Harbaugh doghouse and isn't being given a chance to be on the field and produce.

Well, the way I see it, this is his 4th year coming up. One he's surely picked up on the nuances of the defense by now and if given a chance will be playing fast and furious. Two, if he is in the proverbial doghouse, the fact that he is been sidelined since he was drafted would have taught him a lesson, enough that he'll be motivated to work hard and produce.

So, I really expect to see Arthur Brown given every chance possible to line up next to Mosley. This isn't about Orr at all. We've seen he can be effective, but he isn't a star in the making and we need stars in the making. Art Brown has a chance to be that guy.

[Crusader]

  10 hours ago, Crusader said:

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

I could somewhat agree with you if I didnt know about our injuries last year...Yes we lost games to subpar teams last year , but for crying out loud dude, we lost Flacco, Suggs SSSr, Periman, Forset . Monroe, Zuttah, Davis, and a few more, you can honestly say with a straight face that the injuries didnt cause our bad play last year..
Yes we are reloading,, C-MON Dude get serious......

The season was over before joe. Seams when just Suggs went down Ravens struggled with teams in the rebuilding phase. I guess I keep thinking were in the same sand box as the Patriots and Bengals.

[bioLarzen]

  10 hours ago, The Beak said:

  11 hours ago, Crusader said:

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

I could somewhat agree with you if I didnt know about our injuries last year...Yes we lost games to subpar teams last year , but for crying out loud dude, we lost Flacco, Suggs SSSr, Periman, Forset . Monroe, Zuttah, Davis, and a few more, you can honestly say with a straight face that the injuries didnt cause our bad play last year..
Yes we are reloading,, C-MON Dude get serious......

The season was over before joe. Seams when just Suggs went down Ravens struggled with teams in the rebuilding phase. I guess I keep thinking were in the same sand box as the Patriots and Bengals.

Yes. People like to forget that when Joe went down we were 2-6, esentially all but mathematically out of playoff contention.
We will never know how the seson wiould have been if instead of the cheaper option in Babin Ozzie accepted Freeney's high salary demands.

[harfordravenfan]

10 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Yes. People like to forget that when Joe went down we were 2-6, esentially all but mathematically out of playoff contention.
We will never know how the seson wiould have been if instead of the cheaper option in Babin Ozzie accepted Freeney's high salary demands.

Well said and freeney would've done wonders filling in for suggs IMO

[stixfix69]

No one knows how the upcoming season is going to turn out, but no one can deny that FO drafted and signed players who are capable of starting, and that every player who is left from last years team has to earn their spot on the team,,,Only a few untouchable players, but the rest of the positions IMO are up for grabs, as they should be......I like this mentality, lets get back the Raverns swagger, and be that team everyone hates to play......

[Crusader]

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

  13 hours ago, The Beak said:

  14 hours ago, Crusader said:

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

I could somewhat agree with you if I didnt know about our injuries last year...Yes we lost games to subpar teams last year , but for crying out loud dude, we lost Flacco, Suggs SSSr, Periman, Forset . Monroe, Zuttah, Davis, and a few more, you can honestly say with a straight face that the injuries didnt cause our bad play last year..
Yes we are reloading,, C-MON Dude get serious......

The season was over before joe. Seams when just Suggs went down Ravens struggled with teams in the rebuilding phase. I guess I keep thinking were in the same sand box as the Patriots and Bengals.

Yes. People like to forget that when Joe went down we were 2-6, esentially all but mathematically out of playoff contention.
We will never know how the seson wiould have been if instead of the cheaper option in Babin Ozzie accepted Freeney's high salary demands.

Crap I forgot all about that great Babin move. Would you like to be in the room when that decision was made just to see who even thought of it?

[Fastynart]

This just goes to show what a poor job Ozzie Newsome has done since the retirement of Ray Lewis. While his signing of Daryl Smith was ok as a stopgap, he has had years to get someone else ready and has done nothing to address the linebacker issue everyone in the world could see coming. Arthur Brown? Seriously? A guy who couldn't even crack the starting lineup is now supposed to plug that gaping hole? Zach Orr? Who? With linebackers aplenty over the years, he has instead chosen busts like Elam, Cody, and don't forget the immortal Kindle. Great Oz my eye. He is the reason the Ravens have no defense.

[bioLarzen]

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  6 hours ago, Crusader said:

  16 hours ago, The Beak said:

  17 hours ago, Crusader said:

The talk on the radio is if the Ravens are rebuilding or reloading. I think three reloading gone out the window after the 3 subpar drafts. Ravens are behind schedual for that. Ravens darn near lost both games to the so call terrible Browns.

I could somewhat agree with you if I didnt know about our injuries last year...Yes we lost games to subpar teams last year , but for crying out loud dude, we lost Flacco, Suggs SSSr, Periman, Forset . Monroe, Zuttah, Davis, and a few more, you can honestly say with a straight face that the injuries didnt cause our bad play last year..
Yes we are reloading,, C-MON Dude get serious......

The season was over before joe. Seams when just Suggs went down Ravens struggled with teams in the rebuilding phase. I guess I keep thinking were in the same sand box as the Patriots and Bengals.

Yes. People like to forget that when Joe went down we were 2-6, esentially all but mathematically out of playoff contention.
We will never know how the seson wiould have been if instead of the cheaper option in Babin Ozzie accepted Freeney's high salary demands.

Crap I forgot all about that great Babin move. Would you like to be in the room when that decision was made just to see who even thought of it?

I would always love to be in the rooms where these decisions are made ;)

As for this particular one, later - after the season - someone (maybe Ozzie or Harbauigh?) said they considered Freeney, but he wanted too much money, and they didn't think he could be so much better than Babin.

[terpmaniac]

This just goes to show what a poor job Ozzie Newsome has done since the retirement of Ray Lewis. While his signing of Daryl Smith was ok as a stopgap, he has had years to get someone else ready and has done nothing to address the linebacker issue everyone in the world could see coming. Arthur Brown? Seriously? A guy who couldn't even crack the starting lineup is now supposed to plug that gaping hole? Zach Orr? Who? With linebackers aplenty over the years, he has instead chosen busts like Elam, Cody, and don't forget the immortal Kindle. Great Oz my eye. He is the reason the Ravens have no defense.

You are so right Fastynart. The Ravens should fire Ozzie and hire you!