[News] Late For Work 5/20: Ravens Withdraw Replay Proposal; Feeling Jalen Ramsey's Pain

[BR News]

Baltimore seems to be clearing out for the competition committee’s version of a replay proposal. Jalen Ramsey, who the Ravens tried to trade for, injured his knee. PFF grades Ravens’ offseason moves and projects the starting lineup. Three Super Bowl coaches come together for a Night of Heroes.

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[stixfix69]

This makes the Stanley pick look genius......

[bioLarzen]

This makes the Stanley pick look genius......

Well, I think the two are unrelated. At this point, Ramsey's injury looks like a minor annoyance and he's projected to be 100% healthy by the time the camp comes - if the initial diagnosis holds, and this is indeed only a minor meniscus tear.
And I think Stanley was the right choice anyway, Ramsey's injury notwithstanding ;)

[trevorsteadman]

Injuries happen. If Ramsey was drafted here and came here he may have not torn his miniscus. I feel bad for the guy but I think Jacksonville needs to start looking at their rookie minicamps and tweak their program after another injury to a first round pick.

[rockhill24]

It not surprising that outsiders write about all that is wrong with the Ravens, cause they have no clue what is right or even out talent level, our team healthy will be such a force to be reckon with. Lets stay under the national radar till we are so far ahead in the seson that by Nov 1st someone will be stunned by our sucess.
Ravens on 3, 1, 2, 3, R A V E N S

[Halshayeji]

Just a few more reasons why I highly question PFF at times. J.Smith gets a 50 and S wright gets a 75. I love Sharece but that's a bit awkward. Then Mosley gets a 65 vs Orrs 71?

[TheConquerorWorm]

Surprised Ramsey's microfracture surgery didn't come out during the draft process. I know he didn't miss time in college but that's a career ending type of knee surgery. Only a handful of players in the history of the NFL have had careers of more than 5 years after having that surgery. Just recently, #1 overall pick Clowney hasn't been the same player since & neither has Melvin Gordon.

[Rahul]

This makes the Stanley pick look genius......

NO its NOT, Remember we tried to trade up for Ramsey with the cowboys !

[ravenscavecreek]

  1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

This makes the Stanley pick look genius......

Well, I think the two are unrelated. At this point, Ramsey's injury looks like a minor annoyance and he's projected to be 100% healthy by the time the camp comes - if the initial diagnosis holds, and this is indeed only a minor meniscus tear.
And I think Stanley was the right choice anyway, Ramsey's injury notwithstanding ;)

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

[eze17]

And yet once again we're treated to PFF's ridiculous rankings...I know that you need some yardstick to measure players, but PFF is if anything routinely bad, wether it is over ranking or under rating players. I guess if nothing else they do stir up controversy and give people a lot of ammo to discuss the pros/cons of different players, so I suppose that I should be thanking PFF for being consistently awful and giving us posters something to talk about.

[sami]

so Jimmy Smith is our worst player on defense? We must have one heck of a good defense.

[rmcjacket23]

48 minutes ago, ravenscavecreek said:

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

I certainly wouldn't call it a major annoyance either. 

We are talking about a 5 year difference in injuries at the very least.

[fusuymada]

so Jimmy Smith is our worst player on defense? We must have one heck of a good defense.

This is based on how Jimmy played last year only. It doesn't take into consideration anything else. Last year Jimmy was still working through his LisFranc injury (excuse the spelling) and I don't think anyone would argue that last year was the worst year Jimmy has had as a Raven just after his rookie season where he got injured on the very first play of the very first game on a kickoff against the Steelers. He has commented frequently on how much better he feels this year so I am confident although his numbers were weak in 2015, he will be back on top of his form and will be much better in 2016. Same with Wagner who is a lowly 44, but did very well the year before. He was also recovering from the same injury Jimmy had last season so I expect he will improve as well.

[fusuymada]

Orr is by default the inside linebacker but I look for Baltimore to add a vet linebacker. However, if perchance they don't get that done, I am wondering with Correa, with his size and speed, if they are not considering moving him inside during the early stages of OTAs to see or not if he can fill that role. 6'3" 245 lbs and a 4.67 sec 40 yd. That's pretty darn fast and with that size and speed could do quite well in the middle.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

This is based on how Jimmy played last year only. It doesn't take into consideration anything else. Last year Jimmy was still working through his LisFranc injury (excuse the spelling) and I don't think anyone would argue that last year was the worst year Jimmy has had as a Raven just after his rookie season where he got injured on the very first play of the very first game on a kickoff against the Steelers. He has commented frequently on how much better he feels this year so I am confident although his numbers were weak in 2015, he will be back on top of his form and will be much better in 2016. Same with Wagner who is a lowly 44, but did very well the year before. He was also recovering from the same injury Jimmy had last season so I expect he will improve as well.

Jimmy played awful the first 8 games and was pretty much lockdown the final 8. Shareece played awful his first game against his former team but then played lights out. Most the passing yards last season came against us in the slot and out of the backfield the last half of the season. Which was good because we limited a majority of those big plays but we still need help in the redzone. That is where Weddle comes into play and Suggs coming back. That is why I am raving about the Powers signing he will fit perfectly in the slot. 

 

2 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Orr is by default the inside linebacker but I look for Baltimore to add a vet linebacker. However, if perchance they don't get that done, I am wondering with Correa, with his size and speed, if they are not considering moving him inside during the early stages of OTAs to see or not if he can fill that role. 6'3" 245 lbs and a 4.67 sec 40 yd. That's pretty darn fast and with that size and speed could do quite well in the middle.

If we move to more of a 4-3 front like people have been talking about it sounds like Correa will play that SAM linebacker role.

[MiamiRaven55]

1 hour ago, eze17 said:

And yet once again we're treated to PFF's ridiculous rankings...I know that you need some yardstick to measure players, but PFF is if anything routinely bad, wether it is over ranking or under rating players. I guess if nothing else they do stir up controversy and give people a lot of ammo to discuss the pros/cons of different players, so I suppose that I should be thanking PFF for being consistently awful and giving us posters something to talk about.

Is it me or is their comment section mostly all patriot fans.

[trevorsteadman]

13 minutes ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

Is it me or is their comment section mostly all patriot fans.

PFF = Patriot Fan Fiction? O.o

[ravenscavecreek]

  1 hour ago, ravenscavecreek said:

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

I certainly wouldn't call it a major annoyance either. 

We are talking about a 5 year difference in injuries at the very least.

It's still the same knee. When Ramsey misses time this year because of it i will expect to hear back from you with more of your expert analysis.

[RRRRRavens]

Sorry to hear another gifted player go down even if we do play them in week 3 of the coming season. I know Ravens have devoted some resources this year to reduce our own injury rate. Just hope it works. We could have a very exciting team this year if we can stay mostly healthy. I'm also hoping all the injuries of last year clear up.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, ravenscavecreek said:

It's still the same knee. When Ramsey misses time this year because of it i will expect to hear back from you with more of your expert analysis.

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

He could miss time this year for any number of things, including this torn meniscus. Wouldn't in any way validate whatever your argument you're trying to make.

In fact, I'll go ahead and put the challenge out there now so we can go ahead and end the charade...

Please post some factual data supporting your notion that this torn meniscus was impacted by his micro-fracture surgery. This one I look forward to (but I'm not holding my breath on hearing a peep).

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, sami said:

so Jimmy Smith is our worst player on defense? We must have one heck of a good defense.

Yeah, with Mosley (rookie pro bowler) right behind. PFF is such a joke! On the other subject of preseason injuries, I am very thankful we had our rookie players in pads. NFL = Not For Long

Edited May 20, 2016 by ravensnj

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

I certainly wouldn't call it a major annoyance either. 

We are talking about a 5 year difference in injuries at the very least.

It's still the same knee. When Ramsey misses time this year because of it i will expect to hear back from you with more of your expert analysis.

Why would him missing time validate a connection between 5 year old microfracture surgery and this current, torn meniscus? Don't you think if the micro fracture surgery was to cause any lingering injury, wouldn't something have come up in the 4 years he played completely injury free afterward? If Ramsey does have issues during the season with the knee, couldn't it just be that the meniscus wasn't fully healed, or that another unrelated issue occurred?

Claiming that the 2 are definitely related and will definitely cause future issues is ridiculous. Maybe if over the next 3-4 years we see frequent and re-occurring injuries with the same knee - then there may be some substance to that though.

But as of right now theres absolutely ZERO to indicate or substantiate that theres any shred of credibility to what youre saying.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  4 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

This makes the Stanley pick look genius......

Well, I think the two are unrelated. At this point, Ramsey's injury looks like a minor annoyance and he's projected to be 100% healthy by the time the camp comes - if the initial diagnosis holds, and this is indeed only a minor meniscus tear.
And I think Stanley was the right choice anyway, Ramsey's injury notwithstanding ;)

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

He's expected back by training camp.... How is that more than a minor annoyance? A pulled hamstring can keep you out just as long... and I don't think anyone would call that major anything.

[dirtybird66]

really looks like a great offensive line and pretty formatable defense.i don't know why everyones discounting DENNIS PITTA.

[runcontrol]

really looks like a great offensive line and pretty formatable defense.i don't know why everyones discounting DENNIS PITTA.

I had high hopes for him last year, and pretty much everyone was saying if doesn't come back in 2015 he was probably never coming back. And from my understanding it was Pitta that decided that he didn't want to risk another injury, so I am kind of surprised he is still on the team. I would still love for him to come back, but I doubt it will ever happen.

[eze17]

really looks like a great offensive line and pretty formatable defense.i don't know why everyones discounting DENNIS PITTA.

I'll pre-face this by saying i'm a Pitta fan. And as such, I think he's one good hit away from a devastating, rest-of-your life injury. No one want's to finish their career with an injury(see SSS coming back for another year), but in Pitta's case he could really, seriously, put himself in a lot of pain for many years to come. Remember, this is a guy who's had multiple major surguries. Even if the Ravens doctors clear him to play, as an organization are you willing to risk a guys future? Maybe he's not as bad as i've heard reported, and maybe he can still play football. But we also have a logjam at TE with guys who do not have that kind of injury history. Who would you go with?

[FloridalovesRavens]

It not surprising that outsiders write about all that is wrong with the Ravens, cause they have no clue what is right or even out talent level, our team healthy will be such a force to be reckon with. Lets stay under the national radar till we are so far ahead in the seson that by Nov 1st someone will be stunned by our sucess.
Ravens on 3, 1, 2, 3, R A V E N S

I like your attitude my friend. Go Ravens!

[TheConquerorWorm]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

3 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

I certainly wouldn't call it a major annoyance either. 

We are talking about a 5 year difference in injuries at the very least.

It's still the same knee. When Ramsey misses time this year because of it i will expect to hear back from you with more of your expert analysis.

Why would him missing time validate a connection between 5 year old microfracture surgery and this current, torn meniscus? Don't you think if the micro fracture surgery was to cause any lingering injury, wouldn't something have come up in the 4 years he played completely injury free afterward? If Ramsey does have issues during the season with the knee, couldn't it just be that the meniscus wasn't fully healed, or that another unrelated issue occurred?

Claiming that the 2 are definitely related and will definitely cause future issues is ridiculous. Maybe if over the next 3-4 years we see frequent and re-occurring injuries with the same knee - then there may be some substance to that though.

But as of right now theres absolutely ZERO to indicate or substantiate that theres any shred of credibility to what youre saying.

It's not ridiculous, it's medical science. Microfracture surgery is used to repair damaged articular cartilage (the coating on the ends of the bone - think the end of a chicken leg). Once cartilage is lost, it cannot be replaced. The surgery creates fibrocartilage in place of the missing cartilage but fibrocartilage is more brittle and less DURABLE. That cartilage rubs directly & constantly against the meniscus (a cartilage disc in the knee in between to two bones). I'm sure that John Urshel can breakdown the physics and mathematics of the effects of friction on two opposing surfaces but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if one of the surfaces is inferior, it will breakdown over time more frequently. And if one side is rougher (like the microfracture side) it will cause issues on the other surface (like the meniscus side). We don't know if the trauma that Ramsey suffered would have torn the meniscus if healthy or not but there is definitely medical & scientific proof that athletes that have had microfracture surgery are more likely and susceptible to future knee injuries. Only a dozen or so players in the HISTORY of the NFL have ever had microfracture surgery and had a career longer than 5 years. Myles Jack is just the opposite - he tore his meniscus and because of that (and the way it rubs on the articular cartilage) he will need microfracture surgery at some point. It goes both ways.

Edited May 20, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[ravenscavecreek]

  2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

  3 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

  4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  5 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

a meniscus tear (even a minor one) after micro fracture surgery is NOT a minor annoyance. But thanks for ur medical opinion Dr. Bio.

I certainly wouldn't call it a major annoyance either. 

We are talking about a 5 year difference in injuries at the very least.

It's still the same knee. When Ramsey misses time this year because of it i will expect to hear back from you with more of your expert analysis.

Why would him missing time validate a connection between 5 year old microfracture surgery and this current, torn meniscus? Don't you think if the micro fracture surgery was to cause any lingering injury, wouldn't something have come up in the 4 years he played completely injury free afterward? If Ramsey does have issues during the season with the knee, couldn't it just be that the meniscus wasn't fully healed, or that another unrelated issue occurred?

Claiming that the 2 are definitely related and will definitely cause future issues is ridiculous. Maybe if over the next 3-4 years we see frequent and re-occurring injuries with the same knee - then there may be some substance to that though.

But as of right now theres absolutely ZERO to indicate or substantiate that theres any shred of credibility to what youre saying.

It's not ridiculous, it's medical science. Microfracture surgery is used to repair damaged articular cartilage (the coating on the ends of the bone - think the end of a chicken leg). Once cartilage is lost, it cannot be replaced. The surgery creates fibrocartilage in place of the missing cartilage but fibrocartilage is more brittle and less DURABLE. That cartilage rubs directly & constantly against the meniscus (a cartilage disc in the knee in between to two bones). I'm sure that John Urshel can breakdown the physics and mathematics of the effects of friction on two opposing surfaces but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if one of the surfaces is inferior, it will breakdown over time more frequently. And if one side is rougher (like the microfracture side) it will cause issues on the other surface (like the meniscus side). We don't know if the trauma that Ramsey suffered would have torn the meniscus if healthy or not but there is definitely medical & scientific proof that athletes that have had microfracture surgery are more likely and susceptible to future knee injuries. Only a dozen or so players in the HISTORY of the NFL have ever had microfracture surgery and had a career longer than 5 years. Myles Jack is just the opposite - he tore his meniscus and because of that (and the way it rubs on the articular cartilage) he will need microfracture surgery at some point. It goes both ways.

Good points Worm. But get ready to be attacked by all the alleged know it alls on this site.

[RavensBaltimore]

I think PFF gets way too much respect. Does anyone really think that Kamar Aiken is a better player than everyone on our starting defense? Is Zach Orr really our best middle LB?