Should NFL have a Draft Lottery?

[Tiznut]

http://www.statista.com/statistics/193595/average-ticket-price-in-the-nfl-by-team/

 

 

and to back up usmc post. Lions within $3 of the steelers and cards and higher than cincy and kc 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/193595/average-ticket-price-in-the-nfl-by-team/

 

 

and to back up usmc post. Lions within $3 of the steelers and cards and higher than cincy and kc 

Yea, same site I used.  There is literally nothing correct about his posts about ticket cost, other than the Ravens being at 100$.  Hell, he didn't even get the cost of the Lions tickets correct, the whole foundation of what he was saying....

[Moderator 3]

Are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing?  Do ticket prices have anything to do with a draft lottery?  

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Let me ask you this,If you lived in Detroit,What would be the purpose to spend your money to watch the Lions play? Name one great star they have worth watching for $60 sitting upper level. 

Calvin Johnson.

I'd probably be more likely to pay to see him individually play than just about any Raven in the history of this franchise.

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing?  Do ticket prices have anything to do with a draft lottery?  

When you allow posters to just create threads whenever a thought pops into their head, this is what you get...

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Why are Ravens ticket prices higher than other clubs? Ill tell you why,,Cause the quality of the players they got.

Or... supply and demand. The foundation by which ALL prices are set.

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing?  Do ticket prices have anything to do with a draft lottery?  

Considering the person who made this thread said there is a correlation between cost of tickets and quality players for said team.  Don't really know what to do when the person who started the thread, tries to make a point that has no basis.  Just let that stand as facts? Literally the OP brought up ticket cost...does he need to make a separate thread for that? 

[rmcjacket23]

29 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Considering the person who made this thread said there is a correlation between cost of tickets and quality players for said team.  Don't really know what to do when the person who started the thread, tries to make a point that has no basis.  Just let that stand as facts? Literally the OP brought up ticket cost...does he need to make a separate thread for that? 

I'll slightly defend him... 

In a roundabout way, the quality of the product on the field affects the secondary market demand for tickets. It doesn't really affect the price set forth by the team (the basis for determining this example), but if you are buying tickets on a secondary market (which most non-season ticket holders need to do), the quality of the product on the field affects the demand for those prices, and thus affects the cost.

For an easy example, look back about 5 years ago in the difference in secondary market ticket prices between the Ravens and the Redskins.

Around, say, 2011, if you wanted to buy secondary market tickets for Ravens games, you probably had to pay 2-2.5 x face value in most places. A $90 upper deck seat would probably run you around $200 on the secondary market. That was the price I was selling a lot of my season tickets at... somewhere between $200-$250, depending on game. I never had an issue finding a buyer there.

My boss, a Redskins fan, also had season tickets for them in the same purchase range ($90). He often struggled to find somebody willing to pay $100 for the ticket, and sold several of them at or slightly below face value. In theory, the Redskins are a bigger market than us, so this should be the opposite. But the demand for people to go to Redskins games was down, and thus the resale value of the ticket was lower. Fast forward to about late-season 2012 or 2013 (the RGIII era), and he was selling for much higher prices.

Again, primarily only applies to resale markets, but for non-season ticket holders, that's one of the most prevalent methods for obtaining tickets.

In general, though, that's not going to drive ticket prices by itself nor is it the main draw, so the OP is obviously still wrong.

 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'll slightly defend him... 

In a roundabout way, the quality of the product on the field affects the secondary market demand for tickets. It doesn't really affect the price set forth by the team (the basis for determining this example), but if you are buying tickets on a secondary market (which most non-season ticket holders need to do), the quality of the product on the field affects the demand for those prices, and thus affects the cost.

For an easy example, look back about 5 years ago in the difference in secondary market ticket prices between the Ravens and the Redskins.

Around, say, 2011, if you wanted to buy secondary market tickets for Ravens games, you probably had to pay 2-2.5 x face value in most places. A $90 upper deck seat would probably run you around $200 on the secondary market. That was the price I was selling a lot of my season tickets at... somewhere between $200-$250, depending on game. I never had an issue finding a buyer there.

My boss, a Redskins fan, also had season tickets for them in the same purchase range ($90). He often struggled to find somebody willing to pay $100 for the ticket, and sold several of them at or slightly below face value. In theory, the Redskins are a bigger market than us, so this should be the opposite. But the demand for people to go to Redskins games was down, and thus the resale value of the ticket was lower. Fast forward to about late-season 2012 or 2013 (the RGIII era), and he was selling for much higher prices.

Again, primarily only applies to resale markets, but for non-season ticket holders, that's one of the most prevalent methods for obtaining tickets.

In general, though, that's not going to drive ticket prices by itself nor is it the main draw, so the OP is obviously still wrong.

 

Economics 101, supply and demand.  I would somewhat agree with what you said if he said 'teams' but he said players and used an example of a team with one of the best players at his position. I don't think it correlates to a said player, rather the economy in the city.  Im in San Diego, I expect the tickets to cost more than it would if I lived in Cleveland, without even knowing who is on the roster. 

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Economics 101, supply and demand.  I would somewhat agree with what you said if he said 'teams' but he said players and used an example of a team with one of the best players at his position. I don't think it correlates to a said player, rather the economy in the city.  Im in San Diego, I expect the tickets to cost more than it would if I lived in Cleveland, without even knowing who is on the roster. 

Well, I suppose players would reflect the team. RGIII is a pretty good case of this... people were more willing to go to Redskins games when he was playing at a high level in 2012. In a way, they're paying almost entirely to see him. That's sort of rare though when an individual player has that kind of impact so quickly.

Your last example is valid, though SD is a bad example. Their ticket prices in secondary markets are very low because nobody cares about football in SD (hence why they'll likely be moving). I went to a game there twice in the last decade and it was evident that the passion from fans there just isn't the same as many other areas.

[Tiznut]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Economics 101, supply and demand.  I would somewhat agree with what you said if he said 'teams' but he said players and used an example of a team with one of the best players at his position. I don't think it correlates to a said player, rather the economy in the city.  Im in San Diego, I expect the tickets to cost more than it would if I lived in Cleveland, without even knowing who is on the roster. 

Fair enough especially considering cost of living and taxes it's safe to believe that tickets in CA will have a higher face value. 

 

As as for the OP. He used the Browns as an example of a team throwing games for a higher draft pick while ignoring the last time they had the top pick was over a decade ago. 

 

 

Then decided to use the lions for an example of a team who isn't paying its players despite being shown three players who were amongst highest paid at their positions. 

 

Now is is trying to use ticket prices to say it's proof they don't wanna win this after he even said they were too high given detroits citizens economic standing. 

 

As I said before he's just flinging poo at the walls.  what's amusing to me is using ticket prices to gauge a teams attempt at on field success. This while ignoring where kc is ranked who also has one of the most rabid fan bases and not even touching jax who has the cheapest tickets but has been aggressive in player acquisitions. 

 

None of his arguments have been based in reality nor has he even attempted to back anything up with consistent data. 

By definition it's Trolling 

Edited May 24, 2016 by Tiznut

[Steve0x]

15 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Is that why Suh signed a 6 year 114 million dollar deal with the Dolphins when he was a free agent? And let's not act like the Cowboys have not taken controversial players before. Greg Hardy comes to mind as the most recent example

Then Why Ravens wouldn't sign T-O or Ocho Cinco  7 years ago? isn't something about them two players why Ravens didn't want them? They both could have help Flacco get in Super bowl in his rookie year.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Steve0x

[Tiznut]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Then Why Ravens wouldn't sign T-O or Ocho Cinco  7 years ago? isn't something about them two players why Ravens didn't want them? They both could have help Flacco get in Super bowl in his rookie year.

You're a newer Ravens ran huh?

 

1st by definition a free agent can go where he wants which is why ocho wanted to play with Brady and TO wanted to play in Philly. 

 

2nd and most important when talking about Baltimore wanting TO. They clearly did by trading for him only to have TO get the deal nixed which takes us back to the 1st point. 

[52520Andrew]

23 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Then Why Ravens wouldn't sign T-O or Ocho Cinco  7 years ago? isn't something about them two players why Ravens didn't want them? They both could have help Flacco get in Super bowl in his rookie year.

This isn't about who the Ravens would or would not sign, you said the Cowboys would not. As an added bonus, the Cowboys DID sign T.O.

Also as another added bonus, the Ravens traded for T.O. at one point but he would not play for them.

[Steve0x]

Heres another big player Ravens wouldn't sign Eddie George. In Fact Eddie George was Ray Lewis best friend.

[Moderator 3]

This has wandered so far off-topic that there is no hope left.