[News] Late For Work 5/17: 10 Ravens Whose Roster Position Could Change

[RRRRRavens]

This 5 minutes in pads and then removing them immediately when made aware of the error is the prize example of a non-foul foul. And I'd say that if any other team in the league, even the Pats or Steelers, did it. Let's cut the crap with the Mickey-Mouse violations and concentrate on the ones that get players hurt or give unfair advantage on the field of play. I say the league gives the Ravens a pass and a warning on this as they should with any other team. Let's be real!!!

[KidNme]

  2 hours ago, KidNme said:

There are a couple things wrong with the CBA infraction on pads. First, our coaches should know the CBA hands down. This is a class A organization and we should always act like it. Second, someone on the team ratted out the coaches to the official? Someone isn't being a team player. I know it's against the rules and all but you should probably say something to one of the coaches before you tell an official AND, If you did and they didn't listen, that's another story.
However, it was 5 minutes of non contact. What kind of player complains about that? Not one I would have on my team!
Sounds like someone is feeling over privileged already.
I can tell you that if the Ravens don't put the class act on the field that we expect, they'll lose viewership. America is getting tired of all the bull.

Did you read the article?

None of the rookies complained about the padded practice.  Ben Watson, a vet going into his 13th year, who also happens to be a union rep informed the coaches that  pads during rookie practice was illegal. 

What was the point of your post? I never said it was a rookie and how does that effect what my point was any way. Ravenous_Ravens had a much better response to my post that actually offers another opinion about the subject. That kind of reply, I can respect. Your post seems to be just to hear yourself talk. Thanks anyway but try harder next time.

[Beebo]

2 hours ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

I'm curious of the process. He informs the coaches of the violation, so after that is it self reported to the league or how does the league become aware of the infraction?

I understand from what is in the story a player has to report this in order to trigger an investigation.  If Watson reported us, I hope we cut him before we are obligated to pay his salary for this season.  Fine for him to set the Ravens straight after 5 minutes.  Not OK to set the team up for league sanctions based on a 5 minute error.

[eze17]

  2 hours ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

I'm curious of the process. He informs the coaches of the violation, so after that is it self reported to the league or how does the league become aware of the infraction?

I understand from what is in the story a player has to report this in order to trigger an investigation.  If Watson reported us, I hope we cut him before we are obligated to pay his salary for this season.  Fine for him to set the Ravens straight after 5 minutes.  Not OK to set the team up for league sanctions based on a 5 minute error.

1: It did not say Watson reported the Ravens; however, he did clarify the rules to them and as a union representative is probably responsible to let the NFLPA know they were in violation. I'm guessing by your standards that if someone reported a safety violation at work, they should be terminated? No snitching, right?

2:I think there is absolutely no doubt the coaches were pushing the envelope to see how far they could get away with breaking the rules. They had to have known full well this was not allowable conduct.

3:These rules apply to all teams. If the Pats or Squeelers were caught doing this, i'm sure you'd be ranting about the need for sanctions against them. This time it was Harb's that got busted. He's by no means stupid, and had to know it was illegal. I put the blame 100% on him.

[MiamiRaven55]

1 minute ago, eze17 said:

1: It did not say Watson reported the Ravens; however, he did clarify the rules to them and as a union representative is probably responsible to let the NFLPA know they were in violation. I'm guessing by your standards that if someone reported a safety violation at work, they should be terminated? No snitching, right?

2:I think there is absolutely no doubt the coaches were pushing the envelope to see how far they could get away with breaking the rules. They had to have known full well this was not allowable conduct.

3:These rules apply to all teams. If the Pats or Squeelers were caught doing this, i'm sure you'd be ranting about the need for sanctions against them. This time it was Harb's that got busted. He's by no means stupid, and had to know it was illegal. I put the blame 100% on him.

That was the intent of my original comment. I was under the impression that Watson as a union Rep would be the one that informed the league of this infraction. And if it was him would he now be in Harb's "doghouse"?

[Bohica5]

  6 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

So...this isn't going to go over well but i've been doing some number analysis on our wide receiver class and I don't see us keeping Camp just for the "china doll" he's going to break theory....and also with all the upside of the young fast receivers Really we are going to keep steve smith?....That really doesn't make sense with the wr signings and draft..... it just doesn't make sense to use a roster spot on a 35+yr old just coming off injury when we don't have room for him......sorry i love the guy but he's gotta go......give him an honest chance to make the team but.........Really.....we got receivers now.....maybe we can hire him as a coach?

Is this a joke posting? Seriously? SSS was on his way to maybe 1200+ receiving yards last year before he got hurt and now we should let him go because he's old? What other proven receivers do we have that can replace him besides Aiken? I really don't mind the negative comments people post, but comments from people who obviously don't watch football do get me riled.

I watch every play.....and Steve Smith coming off his injury and at his age i don't see him making it with us this year.....I love his heart but his catching ability was already dropping off and we have alot of Healthy(not perriman) receivers that are young and fast.......No joke!!

[mearzunkies]

I don't usually bash Harbaugh but this is the second time now that we have been busted trying to get around the CBA. If it is not allowed and he did it, then he needs a meeting in Bisciotti's office. If it is not allowed and he didn't know it, then he needs a meeting in Bisciotti's office. Since this is the second time now we have been busted, and since it will cost us valuable time we need these players to be on the field, then this is a big problem. Harbaugh complains he doesn't get the time he needs with players so he breaks the rules and gets even less time (when they end up punishing the team). Makes no sense and is not an action I would expect from a top notch coach. I am very concerned about the direction the Ravens are taking, in the draft, on the field, on the roster, etc... and I am not encouraged by what I am seeing so far this year.

LOL your post was funny

[Beebo]

11 hours ago, eze17 said:

1: It did not say Watson reported the Ravens; however, he did clarify the rules to them and as a union representative is probably responsible to let the NFLPA know they were in violation. I'm guessing by your standards that if someone reported a safety violation at work, they should be terminated? No snitching, right?

2:I think there is absolutely no doubt the coaches were pushing the envelope to see how far they could get away with breaking the rules. They had to have known full well this was not allowable conduct.

3:These rules apply to all teams. If the Pats or Squeelers were caught doing this, i'm sure you'd be ranting about the need for sanctions against them. This time it was Harb's that got busted. He's by no means stupid, and had to know it was illegal. I put the blame 100% on him.

1:Putting on pads for a non-contact punt team practice does not seem like a "safety violation" to me......if anything the players are more safe wearing the pads in the event of accidental contact in a non contact drill.

2: I have some doubts whether the coaches were pushing the envelope, but if they were the players Union rep has put them on notice that he will report any minor violation of the CBA.

3.  My previous post was not a "rant', just my opinion.  We lost OTA practices in a previous year due to "violations" ........and I do not want the ravens to lose any of the limited opportunities that they have for practice.  

4. We probably cannot release Watson for cap reasons, so from my point of view the best thing that could happen would be that Watson ends up in Harb's dog house.  Based on past history, as someone noted in another post, it is very difficult for a player to get out of that dog house.  Since Watson wants to adhere to the letter of the CBA, I have a suggestion for Harbs:  there are no stipulations in the CBA that you need to give off days for aging veterans later in the season.....so be selective in who you give those off days to....

[J.O.14]

  19 hours ago, eze17 said:

  19 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

So...this isn't going to go over well but i've been doing some number analysis on our wide receiver class and I don't see us keeping Camp just for the "china doll" he's going to break theory....and also with all the upside of the young fast receivers Really we are going to keep steve smith?....That really doesn't make sense with the wr signings and draft..... it just doesn't make sense to use a roster spot on a 35+yr old just coming off injury when we don't have room for him......sorry i love the guy but he's gotta go......give him an honest chance to make the team but.........Really.....we got receivers now.....maybe we can hire him as a coach?

Is this a joke posting? Seriously? SSS was on his way to maybe 1200+ receiving yards last year before he got hurt and now we should let him go because he's old? What other proven receivers do we have that can replace him besides Aiken? I really don't mind the negative comments people post, but comments from people who obviously don't watch football do get me riled.

I watch every play.....and Steve Smith coming off his injury and at his age i don't see him making it with us this year.....I love his heart but his catching ability was already dropping off and we have alot of Healthy(not perriman) receivers that are young and fast.......No joke!!

Please explain how his catching ability was dropping off? He was definitely one of the best WRs in the league before tearing his Achilles last season. He also wouldn't come back for another season if there was any chance he doesn't make the team. He will be a significant part of our offense, as he should be. He may see a more limited role now due to the depth we have, which is good for him. He shouldn't have to carry our WRs on his back like last season, but he damn sure can handle it.

[J.O.14]

Did anyone else laugh when they seen Maxx Williams name? I love Pitta but he has a better chance of getting released and I believe he will be. 

I just dont see Camp or Talifero making the team, Waller hopefully falls to the PS and isnt claimed by another team. 

Right? Why would Maxx even be mentioned here. He actually came on strong toward the end of the season. Heck the kid is only gonna be 22 this year. At worst, he will be our #3 TE.

[Mad Puppy]

"3) OT James Hurst
New arrivals: Ronnie Stanley (first round) and Alex Lewis (fourth round)
Zrebiec: “A starter of 13 games over the past two seasons, Hurst is better suited as a swing tackle or reserve guard. However, he’ll have plenty of competition for that role.” "

Likely will be cut, after all he is directly responsible for the Flacco Injury....

[eze17]

  18 hours ago, eze17 said:

1: It did not say Watson reported the Ravens; however, he did clarify the rules to them and as a union representative is probably responsible to let the NFLPA know they were in violation. I'm guessing by your standards that if someone reported a safety violation at work, they should be terminated? No snitching, right?

2:I think there is absolutely no doubt the coaches were pushing the envelope to see how far they could get away with breaking the rules. They had to have known full well this was not allowable conduct.

3:These rules apply to all teams. If the Pats or Squeelers were caught doing this, i'm sure you'd be ranting about the need for sanctions against them. This time it was Harb's that got busted. He's by no means stupid, and had to know it was illegal. I put the blame 100% on him.

1:Putting on pads for a non-contact punt team practice does not seem like a "safety violation" to me......if anything the players are more safe wearing the pads in the event of accidental contact in a non contact drill.

2: I have some doubts whether the coaches were pushing the envelope, but if they were the players Union rep has put them on notice that he will report any minor violation of the CBA.

3.  My previous post was not a "rant', just my opinion.  We lost OTA practices in a previous year due to "violations" ........and I do not want the ravens to lose any of the limited opportunities that they have for practice.  

4. We probably cannot release Watson for cap reasons, so from my point of view the best thing that could happen would be that Watson ends up in Harb's dog house.  Based on past history, as someone noted in another post, it is very difficult for a player to get out of that dog house.  Since Watson wants to adhere to the letter of the CBA, I have a suggestion for Harbs:  there are no stipulations in the CBA that you need to give off days for aging veterans later in the season.....so be selective in who you give those off days to....

Well, saying that we should cut Watson if he informed the NFLPA seemed a little extreme to me. I don't want to see the Ravens lose any practice time either, but a team can't just flaunt the rules. They are there for a reason, and i'd still say the coaches knew the rules and tried to bend them. And got caught. If Harb's decides to put Watson in his "doghouse", that's all on him: but if the guy is having a good season I wouldn't count on it.

[Ravensfansince03]

Freakin forgot we have Mike Wallace!!!!!!

[Ravensfansince03]

Eager to see what Kenneth Dixon can do for this team. In the video game "Madden" I drafted a RB who had the last name Dixon, and he was a phenomenal RB. I know that sounds dumb and irrelevant..but Madden games have a knac for mysteriously foretelling or correlating to things that happen in the actual NFL.

[Ravensfansince03]

Eager to see what Kenneth Dixon can do for this team. In the video game "Madden" I drafted a RB who had the last name Dixon, and he was a phenomenal RB. I know that sounds dumb and irrelevant..but Madden games have a knac for mysteriously foretelling or correlating to things that happen in the actual NFL.

No lie, if anyone can get their hands on "Madden 2011" and play franchise mode. I always play as the Ravens of course. But about 5-7 years down franchise mode a RB named Markieth Dixon is in the draft. Which is freakin crazy because that would be around this same year.. 2011 plus 5-7 years would be around 2016. Madden you really do predict the future. If this guy Dixon turns into something great I want all of you reading this to remember that I said it!!

[Ravensfansince03]

Lets be honest and not kid ourselves here, you don't draft a LT at #6 in the draft if the guy isn't going to be the starter. Stanley is the starter guys. If we still had Osemele then we wouldn't of even drafted Stanley. Fun fact, Osemele was picked by us at #60. And honestly, I think Osemele is better, until I see otherwise.

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Lets be honest and not kid ourselves here, you don't draft a LT at #6 in the draft if the guy isn't going to be the starter. Stanley is the starter guys. If we still had Osemele then we wouldn't of even drafted Stanley. Fun fact, Osemele was picked by us at #60. And honestly, I think Osemele is better, until I see otherwise.

Stanley will be a starter. The position he will start at, however, is in question.

Plenty of precedent where a high draft pick doesn't play the position he was drafted for in year 1, including on this team.

Go back and look at what position Jonathan Ogden played his first season. It wasn't LT.

[usmccharles]

12 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Lets be honest and not kid ourselves here, you don't draft a LT at #6 in the draft if the guy isn't going to be the starter. Stanley is the starter guys. If we still had Osemele then we wouldn't of even drafted Stanley. Fun fact, Osemele was picked by us at #60. And honestly, I think Osemele is better, until I see otherwise.

Wait, you mean a 2nd round pick with 4 years in the NFL is better than a #6 pick?  How is that possible?  I demand an explanation