NFLN Top FIVE Ravens.

[K-Dog]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/NFLN-Top-5-Ravens-Of-All-Time/c6e02f22-e209-49d6-ae5b-2abeb889f029

 

5) Suggs
4) Flacco
3) J.O.
2) Ed
1) Ray

No surprises for me and no argument.  I am sure there are some that might want to flip one and two, I get that.  I really do, but I don't agree.
Four and five might be up for debate as well.  Again, not with me, but if I did it would be Steve Smith @ five.
 

So what about you?
Do you agree with one through five?
What about six through ten?
My six through ten would be,,,

6) Steve Smith
7) Jamal
8) Stover
9) Derrick Mason
10) Peter Boulware
 

[Tiznut]

Not sure how you have steve smith above bouleware especially on a short time frame.  Why no ngata or chris mccalister or yanda

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1. Ray

2. Ogden

3. Reed 

4. Suggs

5. Jamal Lewis

6. Ngata

7. Flacco

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1. Ray Lewis

2. Ed Reed

3. Ogden

4. Suggs

5. Flacco

6. Yanda

7. Ngata

8. Jamal Lewis

9. Boulware

10. Stover/Heap/McAlister

[Guest]

Ray Lewis

Ed Reed

Haloti Ngata

Suggs

 

Lots of names from years back right...Why are all of our Heroes from years back?

[JoeyFlex5]

6. Yanda

7. Mason

8. Boulware

9. Jamal

10. Cmac 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Ray Lewis

Ed Reed

Haloti Ngata

Suggs

 

Lots of names from years back right...Why are all of our Heroes from years back?

We had better coffee back then too

[ellicottraven]

Ray Lewis

J.O

Ed Reed

Suggs

Jamal Lewis

Yanda

Flacco

Boulware

McCalister

Ngata

Just missed the cut: Stover, Heap, Ray Rice (Yes he did enough to warrant a mention).

 

Edited May 17, 2016 by ellicottraven

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm pleased to see the lack of boldin on here. Are fans finally finished overrating him?

[bMore Heathen]

1. Ray

2. Reed

3. JO

4. Jamal

5. Suggs

6. Flacco

7. Yanda

8. Ngata

9. McCalister

10. Heap

 

I can't have a top 5 without Jamal. And it's hard to leave out Boulware, but I think Heap deserves a mention, he was our offense for a few years.

[K-Dog]

I agree Rice is worth a mention. 

I don't know about top ten though. Top twenty,  maybe even fifteen for sure.

 

[Winchester]

Ray,Ogden,Reed,Joe cool, Suggs,Ngata,Boulware (my favorite),Heap,Yanda,Mcallister

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm pleased to see the lack of boldin on here. Are fans finally finished overrating him?

Yes I negged you. lol you can not say that about a playoff and superbowl hero!! 

[usmccharles]

7 hours ago, K-Dog said:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/NFLN-Top-5-Ravens-Of-All-Time/c6e02f22-e209-49d6-ae5b-2abeb889f029

5) Suggs
4) Flacco
3) J.O.
2) Ed
1) Ray

6) Steve Smith
7) Jamal
8) Stover
9) Derrick Mason
10) Peter Boulware
 

I don't get how in the world you put SSr over Boldin....even when both shouldn't be on this list. 

Ray- Ed- JO- Joe- Suggs- Boulware- Ngata- Jamal- Heap- McCalister

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I don't get how in the world you put SSr over Boldin....even when both shouldn't be on this list. 

Ray- Ed- JO- Joe- Suggs- Boulware- Ngata- Jamal- Heap- McCalister

Because it is a subjective list.

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Because it is a subjective list.

Obviously. 

SSR                                Boldin

23games                      45games

1735 yards                   2645 yards

9TDs                            14TDs

But none of that is subjective.  Don't get me wrong, love both of them. 

Edited May 17, 2016 by usmccharles

[Somerset Ravens]

1. Ray

2. J.O.

3. Reed

4. Suggs

5. Yanda

6. Ngata

7. McAlister

8. Jamal

9. Flacco

10. Heap

 

Just missed the cut : Derrick Mason and Jarret Johnson

[Somerset Ravens]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm pleased to see the lack of boldin on here. Are fans finally finished overrating him?

Why do you think Boldin is overrated? 

[Tru11]

1 ray
2 Ed
3 Ogden
4 Suggs
5 Flacco
6 Yanda
7 Ngata
8 Boulware
9 J.Lewis
10 M.Stover
11 Heap
12 Mcallister
13 Mason
14 Rice
15 Webb

my list so far.

[RavensDieHard21]

If we were basing this list solely on what the player's value to the team was, from leadership to play on the field, especially being clutch then:

1.) Ray Lewis, 2.) Ed Reed, 3.) Ogden, 4.) Flacco, 5.) Suggs, 6.) Ngata, 7.) Yanda, 8.) Boulware, 9.)J. Lewis, 10.) C Mac

[JoeyFlex5]

43 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Why do you think Boldin is overrated? 

He was average for years, disappeared from games Way too often, was way overpaid, put together a really good 4 game stretch after 4 seasons of mediocrity, then suddenly the fan base thinks the team is doomed because we traded him. 

 

Not saying boldin was bad and I was a fan of his, but the fan base puts him on way too high of a pedestal. I think He was a downgrade from Derrick mason and I think Steve Smith was an upgrade.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

21 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

1 ray
2 Ed
3 Ogden
4 Suggs
5 Flacco
6 Yanda
7 Ngata
8 Boulware
9 J.Lewis
10 M.Stover
11 Heap
12 Mcallister
13 Mason
14 Rice
15 Webb

my list so far.

Our top 12 are identical... guess great minds think alike. I personally can't put Jamal as high as some others bc i put a value on length of time as a Raven, and length of time being great as a Raven... and for a couple seasons he's among the greatest Ravens, but there just wasnt the longevity that others on the list have shown.

Mason definitely has to be the top receiver on the list, and 13 is the right spot imo. No receiver has played with that consistency, put up that many 1,000 yd seasons, that many catches, and his 3 year stretch from '07-'09 is easily the best stretch in our history. With health SSS probably wouldve surpassed that stretch, but Mason still gets him on longevity.

[RavensDieHard21]

BUT! If we were basing this on how well each player was in relation to others in the league and in history, meaning is Yanda one of the best guards in the league? Ever to play? Or Is Ed Reed the best ever to play? 

1.) Ed Reed ( longevity wise Ray was better, but in their primes, Ed I 100% believe was better at his position than Ray. I also believe that Ed was a bit better at sealing games than Ray was. The amount of critical forced turnovers was a great reason why we were so successful 2004, 2006, 08-12. Even when he wasn't causing the turnovers, he forced QBs to look elsewhere, primarily not down the field, essentially deterring the deep ball). 

2.) Ray Ray ( Solely based on skill set I think Ray cannot be 1st, but could be second in team history. His longevity was remarkable and his side line to side line speed for the early stage of his career was incredibly impressive and he adapted well as he got older and relied on his instincts and 99% of the time was right on his diagnosis. His tackling was also always solid, he blitzed well as well as time them well, in addition to being able to read the QB to come up with interceptions.

3.) Ogden ( This is close between Ray, especially if you ever actually watched Odgen who played a position where it was 1 on 1 every play, he dominated rushers and defenders that many would claim to be some of the best ever, such as Strahan. JO is arguably the best LT ever always played at an all-pro level.

4.) Suggs ( If not for the achilles tears, I believe Suggs would have a bit more sacks at this point in his career--with 106.5 now, he easily in 2012 and 15 could have added another 10-15, especially in 12' after his DPOY season. With that in mind, Suggs has been our organization's best pass rusher who has also been a hammer in the run game. He can drop into coverage and reads plays well for being on the front line. 

5.) Yanda ( I won't go too far into this, but when it is all said and done, Yanda will be arguably one of the best guards to have ever done it. He has dominated for years now and has always been a bull dozer in the run game, particularly when he is able to get to the second level and clear huge paths for our rushers. But what has made him really special is that he is a premier pass protector too. 

Just Barely Missed the List: Flacco and Ngata. If only based on his post-season records and play then I would edge Flacco out over Yanda, but Flacco has always been a consistent, but not great regular season QB that would score 20-25 TDs with 10-15 Interceptions. Not a bad thing at all, but I think if he was slightly better in the regular season in the 2008-14 window that we could have and should have had home field advantage in the post season, maybe leading to another Lombardi or two. Ngata was easily the best DT for a 3-4 stint from 2008-11. He never developed into a crazy pass rusher like Aaron Donald is now, but make no mistake about it, Ngata at 6'4', 335, was as versatile as a lineman as we could have hoped for. He occupied multiple blockers regularly, stone walled the run game, got good pressure up the middle very often, could run down ball carriers from behind, forced many critical fumbles as well as recovered them. He even made some very impressive interceptions for a DT. He was special, even for those non believers--I know most of you are too new of fans to really have known this lol 

[Tru11]

26 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Our top 12 are identical... guess great minds think alike. I personally can't put Jamal as high as some others bc i put a value on length of time as a Raven, and length of time being great as a Raven... and for a couple seasons he's among the greatest Ravens, but there just wasnt the longevity that others on the list have shown.

Mason definitely has to be the top receiver on the list, and 13 is the right spot imo. No receiver has played with that consistency, put up that many 1,000 yd seasons, that many catches, and his 3 year stretch from '07-'09 is easily the best stretch in our history. With health SSS probably wouldve surpassed that stretch, but Mason still gets him on longevity.

same here.

its why i left guys like pryce , sharper , thomas , scott , starts , woodson , prime time, birk, sharpe and so on off.

many great players we had but the guys i picked have mostly been with the team for longest and contributed a lot.

flacco might rise a spot depending on how long he will play after suggs retires and ofcourse the level he plays at.

think its to late for yanda to hop over suggs.

I take mason of SSS like you said because of longevity but also because mason was much worse off seeing our QB situation lol.
heck flacco then was not nearly as good as he is now.

Rice and Webb make the list because they have been ravens their entire career and have been great when not banged up.

[Somerset Ravens]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He was average for years, disappeared from games Way too often, was way overpaid, put together a really good 4 game stretch after 4 seasons of mediocrity, then suddenly the fan base thinks the team is doomed because we traded him. 

 

Not saying boldin was bad and I was a fan of his, but the fan base puts him on way too high of a pedestal. I think He was a downgrade from Derrick mason and I think Steve Smith was an upgrade.

I agree with you that Derrick performed better than Boldin for the Ravens. Boldin did contribute many big plays for us.

[elemento]

Love Flacco, but there are players that were the very best in their positions for a long time in the NFL, with several Pro-Bowls and All-Pros. 

Top 3 is spot on 

1 - Ray Lewis - best MLB ever

2 - Ed Reed  - best FS ever

3 - Jonathan Ogden - best LT of his generation and top 3 of all-time. 

For the rest I'd go with Suggs and Yanda. (hard to let Ngata out)

I actually think that people are giving little credit to Ngata here. He was a monster as a Raven, the best DT of the league for several years, 5 time all-pro, 5 time pro-bowler. 

[GhostofGrbac]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He was average for years, disappeared from games Way too often, was way overpaid, put together a really good 4 game stretch after 4 seasons of mediocrity, 

Sounds an awful lot like Joe Flacco. 

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 minutes ago, elemento said:

Love Flacco, but there are players that were the very best in their positions for a long time in the NFL, with several Pro-Bowls and All-Pros. 

Top 3 is spot on 

1 - Ray Lewis - best MLB ever

2 - Ed Reed  - best FS ever

3 - Jonathan Ogden - best LT of his generation and top 3 of all-time. 

For the rest I'd go with Suggs and Yanda. (hard to let Ngata out)

I actually think that people are giving little credit to Ngata here. He was a monster as a Raven, the best DT of the league for several years, 5 time all-pro, 5 time pro-bowler. 

While I agree in part, I do think Ngata takes a slight hit on an emotional level bc i think most of us expected him to be a Ravens lifer like Ray, Ed, JO, and Suggs; and him not taking a pay cut to stay has stuck a bit in our minds... but there are also legitimate reasons he's behind some others. While his prime was dominant, with his skill set and athleticism, his prime should have been longer.

He was injured quite a bit during his prime years, and missed out on some key stretches. And, I think part of the reason his prime period didnt last longer was simply due to desire... he started talking retirement very early on. When we're talking "Greatest Ravens Ever" part of the equation has to be "Being a Raven" and some of that stuff just isnt very Raven Like.

And on Yanda over Flacco - i just cant do it. I get the whole argument that Yanda has been the best at this position for a couple years now, but he's also played alongside great players (Birk, Grubbs, and KO). And then, theres the fact that the best guard ever probably doesnt have close to the same impact as even just an average QB.

Top it off with the fact that our offensive schemes have just made it easy to plug guys in and have success at guard (Yanda, Grubbs, KO, Jensen, Urschel). In the past 8 years we've produced 3 guys that at least for a span were considered among the top guys at the position. Grubbs was arguably the top young guard and was more sought out than Yanda (Ravens proved to make the right decision in keeping yanda) and now KO just became the highest paid guard. Our offense has something to do with Yanda being so good - not to say he isnt a great player....

But at the same time, our offenses have NOT been QB friendly. Scheme wise and talent wise. early on we relied heavily on defense and the run game (which helps guards). On top of having difficult schemes for a QB to excel, he also had turnover constantly at coordinator and QB coach. And with that, he's still been one of the best young QBs, a SB champ and MVP, with many records for winning overall and in postseason. 2012 was magical and arguably the best stretch of QB play ever considering it was during the postseason with an All-Time gauntlet of QBs to face, and on the road to a SB ring.

Then there's the fact that until maybe last year theres been almost no urgency to get him legit weapons. And if there was, there was hardly any success at doing it.

So for those reasons.... I just dont think you can put Yanda over Flacco.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

Sounds an awful lot like Joe Flacco. 

 

 

And the guy with Grbac in his name imparts his wisdom upon us....

[GhostofGrbac]

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And the guy with Grbac in his name imparts his wisdom upon us....

You do realize my screen name is a joke about Grbac right?