Ravens being investigated for putting players in full pads

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

So Adam Schefter just made it up? Come on man. What would he gain from that?

Ravens knew pad rules

 

While I'm sure the Ravens certainly knew what they were doing, I wouldn't recommend putting all your eggs in the "Adam Schefter can not tell a lie" basket. What he gains is a story, and having a story is much more important in the media these days than actually having an accurate story. 

[edthehead]

Boooom, 

lost out on a portion of our OTA'S 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Well... got exactly what i expected, though an entire week of OTA's (didnt read the details, is it just lost of OTA's within a certain week i.e. week of June 5th we lose the 3 OTA sessions planned, or is it a full 5-6 OTA practices?) is a little more than i expected. was thinking more like 2-3 days lost.

The fine is expected.

Its a hit, definitely stinks even for us, because theres another week that will be completely boring with no real football to look at and discuss.... but, in the grand scheme of things - nothing to see here. Move along.

[Daft Classic]

I thought I read somewhere we lost practices on June 1-3. They'll probably throw in a few charity/fan events and Joe and the WR's will work out on some High School Field during the lost time.

They can't do full unofficial practices because if someone gets hurt, and they are injured during non-NFL sanctioned events, then they aren't protected financially

[Edgar]

Not harbaughs best work.

 

[Virginia 55]

Was it Ben Watson that blew the horn on his new team?  

Get this guy off our squad!  

 

It's probably real awkward in the locker room about now.  Bye Ben!  

I never liked you coming here anyway.  I hope Crockett is ready for training camp!

Come on Harbs, You are suppose to know the rules.  You complain about them every other week.  I'm so tired of this coach. 

Edited May 28, 2016 by Virginia 55

[Sherly_Tebow]

9 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Was it Ben Watson that blew the horn on his new team?  

Get this guy off our squad!  

 

It's probably real awkward in the locker room about now.  Bye Ben!  

I never liked you coming here anyway.  I hope Crockett is ready for training camp!

Come on Harbs, You are suppose to know the rules.  You complain about them every other week.  I'm so tired of this coach. 

Ben's a great player, character, and role model. And Harbaugh is great coach, character, and role model. Mistakes happen, and It could be worse. A lot worse. 

[Cville-Raven]

12 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Was it Ben Watson that blew the horn on his new team?  

Get this guy off our squad!  

 

It's probably real awkward in the locker room about now.  Bye Ben!  

I never liked you coming here anyway.  I hope Crockett is ready for training camp!

Come on Harbs, You are suppose to know the rules.  You complain about them every other week.  I'm so tired of this coach. 

lol overreaction much

[Wisdom]

On 5/26/2016 at 10:19 PM, Edgar said:

Not harbaughs best work.

 

Not sure if this was John decision to put on pads but perhaps. one of his coaches.  John been around the NFL long enough to know what the rules are.....  I doubt very seriously if he intentionally violated the rules without a thought.  

[K-Dog]

I blame Peas......

 

[/sarcasm] 

[edthehead]

4 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Not sure if this was John decision to put on pads but perhaps. one of his coaches.  John been around the NFL long enough to know what the rules are.....  I doubt very seriously if he intentionally violated the rules without a thought.  

if he didn't know as HC,

then we are in trouble.

many people here fault ben,

nope this is all harb,we should be asking what is the logic

why?

[AsianRice]

Harbs was trying to bend the rule but it didn't work out, so he paid the price...May be he needs Belichick cheat 101 class...lol

 

On the bright side, it could literally get worse than 1 week of no OTA practice.....

 

We need to move on from this....

[arnie_uk]

NfL record practices. Ben Watson was the one that told harbs to take the pads off, he didn't blow the whistle.

[Ravensfan23]

Does it really matter who's at fault. The Ravens broke a stupid rule about no contact in practice of a contact sport and got fined for it. 

Doesn't make Harbs a bad coach, doesn't make the Ravens cheaters and it doesn't make Watson a rat. Harbs found a way to try and get the most out of a situation, was informed it was against the rules and quickly put a stop to it. The NFL decided to make an example of the Ravens, Harbs has taken full responsibility and it's over. 

[NARavenRush]

On May 16, 2016 at 6:29 PM, K-Dog said:

Should we act like Pats fans?

It's somebody elses fault. The NFL hates us. Were were set up. No one knew that they had pads on. The weather made our jerseys puffy so it looked like we had pads on.

 

Yeah I feel dumb.

We made a mistake.  Own it.

It's the equipment boy fault. 

 

[arnie_uk]

11 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Does it really matter who's at fault. The Ravens broke a stupid rule about no contact in practice of a contact sport and got fined for it. 

Doesn't make Harbs a bad coach, doesn't make the Ravens cheaters and it doesn't make Watson a rat. Harbs found a way to try and get the most out of a situation, was informed it was against the rules and quickly put a stop to it. The NFL decided to make an example of the Ravens, Harbs has taken full responsibility and it's over. 

It's a rule even the majority of fans know. It's quite idiotic by our coach to miss that rule.

[GhostofGrbac]

20 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Does it really matter who's at fault. The Ravens broke a stupid rule about no contact in practice of a contact sport and got fined for it. 

Doesn't make Harbs a bad coach, doesn't make the Ravens cheaters and it doesn't make Watson a rat. Harbs found a way to try and get the most out of a situation, was informed it was against the rules and quickly put a stop to it. The NFL decided to make an example of the Ravens, Harbs has taken full responsibility and it's over. 

No Harbaugh did not "find a way to try and get the most out of a situation". He blatantly broke a rule. There was no example made of the Ravens. They broke a rule and paid the price. 

 

8 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

It's a rule even the majority of fans know. It's quite idiotic by our coach to miss that rule.

I agree. But the Ravens never do anything wrong in some fans eyes.

[BmoreBird22]

I think the rule is incredibly dumb, but a rule is a rule and the Ravens paid the price. It's not a big deal.

[Ravensfan23]

On 5/30/2016 at 11:38 AM, arnie_uk said:

It's a rule even the majority of fans know. It's quite idiotic by our coach to miss that rule.

I agree, but it's not a huge deal. Harbs and the FO paid dearly for a 5min decision. It's not one of those things that needs to be discussed farther imo. Harbs won't lose his job over it, Biscotti probably didn't lose any sleep and that 1 OTA missed won't be the deciding factor in whether this team will be successful or not this year. 

17 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

No Harbaugh did not "find a way to try and get the most out of a situation". He blatantly broke a rule. There was no example made of the Ravens. They broke a rule and paid the price. 

 

I agree. But the Ravens never do anything wrong in some fans eyes.

That's what making an example is. You can't break the rules and get away with it. Period!!!! The NFL made the Ravens pay for breaking the rules. Did I miss something?

It amazes me how someone can come out and say, I broke the rules, it's all my fault, blame it on me, yet people still try to make something huge out of it. A rule was broken, a penalty was paid, it was foolish for Harbs to either not know the rule or try to cheat the rule. Story over!!!! At least for me it is.

[ravensdan]

I love Harbs. Besides Bill there's no other coach in the league id rather have. However in this case it wasn't a 5 min decision. Tons of planning had to go into having all the pads ready. Tell the guys to suit up. Head out in pads. He knew what he was doing. Stretched a rule too far and now caught. I think it's likely most teams stretch and at times break some of these contact rules. As for the punishment it's not in question. No grey area it's collectively bargained what it will be. 

[Grapple Raven]

18 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I love Harbs. Besides Bill there's no other coach in the league id rather have. However in this case it wasn't a 5 min decision. Tons of planning had to go into having all the pads ready. Tell the guys to suit up. Head out in pads. He knew what he was doing. Stretched a rule too far and now caught. I think it's likely most teams stretch and at times break some of these contact rules. As for the punishment it's not in question. No grey area it's collectively bargained what it will be. 

You know I thought this too, those pads didn't mysteriously fall from the heavens directly onto the players as they exited to the practice field, lol.  What I find interesting were the quotes from Ozzie and John from the first incident back in 2010: (see link below)

http://wnst.net/baltimore-ravens/ravens-forced-to-forfeit-final-week-of-otas/

From an article here last week:

"Harbaugh gave an explanation for why the Ravens wore pads.

“There’s the CBA the way it’s written word-for-word, we’ve read it all. There are side letters and there are amendments to side letters. There’s a handbook and there are things that get added to the handbook regularly that come out in memos. There are things that you look at and you say, ‘I think we’ve got an opportunity here to gain some ground with our rookies,’” Harbaugh said.

“It was a rookie developmental day. It wasn’t the case. It was wrong. I read it the wrong way and it’s on me. Any other details about it – I don’t think anybody wants to hear any of that stuff. I think the bottom line is, it’s on me.”

The fact that both explicitly said "it won't happen again" in 2010, but yet it did, combined with Harbs saying "‘I think we’ve got an opportunity here to gain some ground with our rookies,’” I find a little disconcerting.  Could it simply have been a mistake, possibly.  Could it have been a misinterpretation of what was meant by "rookie developmental day", possibly.  But as a head coach, and a former special teams coach, and someone that does appear versed in the CBA, its side letters, amendments, handbook and its memos it does seem curious, lol.  But that last statement by Harbs does strike me as intentional... trying to stretch the rules a bit too far.  Let's hope as they stated in 2010 "it won't happen again" because personally I don't think it is a good look for our organization.

[ravensdan]

Here's a link to a detailed article on how crazy a move this was. And he's absolutely right about losing a bit of our high ground on the Pats. 

 

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/181254908/ravens-rookies-full-pads-practice-illegal-fine

[arnie_uk]

If this was the Pats we'd be calling for bills head

[usmccharles]

58 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

If this was the Pats we'd be calling for bills head

That's because of their history.  This a dumb mistake no doubt...but im not going to sit here and act like I even care about this. 

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

If this was the Pats we'd be calling for bills head

I wouldn't. 

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

I wouldn't. 

Same. There is a huge difference between 5 minutes of practice in pads and reporting it right away and calling it quits than deflategate where you had a player intentionally trying to get an advantage on the opposing team and then cover it up by trying to destroy the evidence...

I still like how Patriot fans in comment sections are calling for the Ravens to lose a draft pick like they did. Thing is both are far off from each other. And losing one week of OTA's is way more than fair for each side. I don't think the Ravens gained more from that boneheaded mistake of 5 minutes in pads than what they would've learned from 3 days of OTA's. Plus even with pads on there was no contact. I still don't understand the whole 'cant wear pads during OTA's' crap. As long as they aren't taking each other's heads off I don't see the big deal. Again some of these NFLPA rules and regulations are stupid in my opinion. 

[rmcjacket23]

30 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Same. There is a huge difference between 5 minutes of practice in pads and reporting it right away and calling it quits than deflategate where you had a player intentionally trying to get an advantage on the opposing team and then cover it up by trying to destroy the evidence...

I still like how Patriot fans in comment sections are calling for the Ravens to lose a draft pick like they did. Thing is both are far off from each other. And losing one week of OTA's is way more than fair for each side. I don't think the Ravens gained more from that boneheaded mistake of 5 minutes in pads than what they would've learned from 3 days of OTA's. Plus even with pads on there was no contact. I still don't understand the whole 'cant wear pads during OTA's' crap. As long as they aren't taking each other's heads off I don't see the big deal. Again some of these NFLPA rules and regulations are stupid in my opinion. 

Well, that would depend on which way some of the fans on here want to "spin" cheating for whatever argument they are making that day.

I was told by several people that "cheating is cheating". This certainly falls under the umbrella of "cheating" does it not?

Now I obviously don't buy into that none sense, but the only major differences here are real games vs voluntary practices (obviously significant) and lying about it, which some people mind-blowingly think is worse than actual cheating. Always been a tough sell.

The reason they can't wear pads is so that the NFL can create a false sense of "desire" to reduce head injuries due to the billions of dollars they have been sued for in the past. You can make a case its actually the players and the NFLPA that are the biggest cause of that rule.

[CharmCityChampions]

33 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Same. There is a huge difference between 5 minutes of practice in pads and reporting it right away and calling it quits than deflategate where you had a player intentionally trying to get an advantage on the opposing team and then cover it up by trying to destroy the evidence...

I still like how Patriot fans in comment sections are calling for the Ravens to lose a draft pick like they did. Thing is both are far off from each other. And losing one week of OTA's is way more than fair for each side. I don't think the Ravens gained more from that boneheaded mistake of 5 minutes in pads than what they would've learned from 3 days of OTA's. Plus even with pads on there was no contact. I still don't understand the whole 'cant wear pads during OTA's' crap. As long as they aren't taking each other's heads off I don't see the big deal. Again some of these NFLPA rules and regulations are stupid in my opinion. 

I like how some pats fans are calling the ravens cheaters because of this lol. Like they (a team that has had a history of trying to bend the rules/cheat) have any right to label us cheaters, when the stuff their team has done hasn't come any close to just having pads on during a rookie OTA. Just shows even more how unbearable pats fans are. They're so blinded by their organizations ways ("patriot way" hahahahaha) that they fail to see it.

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, that would depend on which way some of the fans on here want to "spin" cheating for whatever argument they are making that day.

I was told by several people that "cheating is cheating". This certainly falls under the umbrella of "cheating" does it not?

Now I obviously don't buy into that none sense, but the only major differences here are real games vs voluntary practices (obviously significant) and lying about it, which some people mind-blowingly think is worse than actual cheating. Always been a tough sell.

The reason they can't wear pads is so that the NFL can create a false sense of "desire" to reduce head injuries due to the billions of dollars they have been sued for in the past. You can make a case its actually the players and the NFLPA that are the biggest cause of that rule.

I don't agree with fans that say "cheating is cheating" either. That is like saying posession of marijuana is the same as a first degree murder and both consequences should be the same. I don't think the Ravens gained more in those 5 minutes with pads on than what they lost in a week of OTA's.

 

I still don't understand the concept that wearing pads or not in a non-contact drill will cause more head injuries. I actually think wearing pads would prevent more injuries in OTA's for players landing on the ground. I just think some of the NFLPA stuff in nonsense. 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't agree with fans that say "cheating is cheating" either. That is like saying posession of marijuana is the same as a first degree murder and both consequences should be the same. I don't think the Ravens gained more in those 5 minutes with pads on than what they lost in a week of OTA's.

 

I still don't understand the concept that wearing pads or not in a non-contact drill will cause more head injuries. I actually think wearing pads would prevent more injuries in OTA's for players landing on the ground. I just think some of the NFLPA stuff in nonsense. 

Well, in theory, if you're not having contact drills, there's no real purpose in wearing pads.