Ravens being investigated for putting players in full pads

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

How do I sound paranoid? Because I don't view knowingly breaking a rule as a simple coaching staff screw up? 

Also by catching heat I'm talking about from opposing fans. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. It's not like the NFL is going to intensify the punishment because Harbaugh has been vocal about the rules.

It's funny to me to see people brush this off, but you know damn well if it was Mike Tomlin everyone would be up in arms. Take the purple glasses off folks. 

No, I wouldn't care, honestly. If it was Tomlin or Belichick I wouldn't even care. I didn't even really care about Deflategate, so I certainly don't about some padded practices. That said, there's a difference between a coach being on the field and getting in a player's way (a la Jacoby Jones) or deflating footballs for a competitive advantage versus training. If anything, this just makes me wonder about Harbaugh's training sessions more than anything, because this may be one of the reasons we are getting injured so much. I recall some comments, not sure where, saying that the Ravens have really tough practices. Perhaps the practices are too tough and guys are getting banged up more than necessary? This could certainly be the case, I don't know. 

You sounded paranoid because it sounded like you were saying that the Ravens will catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules, and then you also say that it's not just a coaching staff screw up. I could've misunderstood you, but I read that as "There's more to this than meets the eye--it's not just the coaches involved," although I can see you saying "screw up" to more or less mean a "mistake" and that perhaps you implied it was done intentionally by the coaches to break the rules for a competitive advantage. Either way, I think you're getting a little too far gone here for the sake of appearing unbiased, unlike us "Ravens fans with purple glasses."

Then again, I've never really liked it when people make a point to bring up someone's potential bias for the sake of making themselves appear unbiased. 

Edited May 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[redrum52]

It's stupid.  Accept the punishment and keep it moving.  I was pretty sure that padded practices weren't allowed until TC anyway.  Everything is supposedly on camera anyway.

[GhostofGrbac]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

No, I wouldn't care, honestly. If it was Tomlin or Belichick I wouldn't even care. I didn't even really care about Deflategate, so I certainly don't about some padded practices. That said, there's a difference between a coach being on the field and getting in a player's way (a la Jacoby Jones) or deflating footballs for a competitive advantage versus training. If anything, this just makes me wonder about Harbaugh's training sessions more than anything, because this may be one of the reasons we are getting injured so much. I recall some comments, not sure where, saying that the Ravens have really tough practices. Perhaps the practices are too tough and guys are getting banged up more than necessary? This could certainly be the case, I don't know. 

You sounded paranoid because it sounded like you were saying that the Ravens will catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules, and then you also say that it's not just a coaching staff screw up. I could've misunderstood you, but I read that as "There's more to this than meets the eye--it's not just the coaches involved," although I can see you saying "screw up" to more or less mean a "mistake" and that perhaps you implied it was done intentionally by the coaches to break the rules for a competitive advantage. Either way, I think you're getting a little too far gone here for the sake of appearing unbiased, unlike us "Ravens fans with purple glasses."

Then again, I've never really liked it when people make a point to bring up someone's potential bias for the sake of making themselves appear unbiased. 

You definitely misunderstood my catching heat comment. I'm not really sure how. Maybe I could have worded it better. I was just saying that's it added ammo for those that aren't Ravens fans. Remember Brady telling Harbaugh to "read the rule book"? And then Harbaugh goes and breaks a rule. So people are going to be taking shots at the Ravens/Harbaugh. Not that it matters at all. 

I'm implying that it was done intentionally based on what Adam Schefter had reported. Which was the NFL believes that the Ravens were aware of the non-contact practice rules, but still moved forward with the practice. That's why I don't view it as just a simple coaching staff mistake. Again IF what Schefter is reporting is true (I don't really see a reason why he would lie).

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

Yeah, no, but good try. Try this: reducing pointless injuries and head trauma. Did that take too much thinking to come up with?

 

 

The thing is, I think they were just practicing with pads.  I don't think there was any contact, just a padded practice.

 

Better question.  Why even have pads available if you can't usee em now...

Edited May 19, 2016 by redrum52

[edthehead]

5 hours ago, ravensnj said:

What's the big deal about practice with pads anyway? I guess it started with everyone gets a trophy thinking. Man up, NFL!

the deal, lol

well it's kinda like a rule,

you know guidelines that are in place that was negotiated between parties  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

How do I sound paranoid? Because I don't view knowingly breaking a rule as a simple coaching staff screw up? 

Also by catching heat I'm talking about from opposing fans. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. It's not like the NFL is going to intensify the punishment because Harbaugh has been vocal about the rules.

It's funny to me to see people brush this off, but you know damn well if it was Mike Tomlin everyone would be up in arms. Take the purple glasses off folks. 

You really think anyone here would care if Tomlin had his guys in pads for 5 min??

And then you wonder about the paranoia/conspiracy comments. 

Its not a big deal, probably not even a deal at all. Maybe he wanted everyone in their pads to make sure they fit and were comfortable in them since equipment fitting is part of that day. I'm actually pretty sure that's all it was bc they were doing a non-contact return drill. 

I'd actually be more worried if he unknowingly broke the rule... That's a sign of stupidity. Knowingly just shows that he's a normal human being and didn't think anyone would care about 20 guys in pads for 10 min.

and on your point about Harbs - he's been clamoring about replay rules and on field stuff. He's actually publicly spoken about how the new CBA sucks in how it limits what they can do in the offseason and how long they can work with young players. 

[GhostofGrbac]

26 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

You really think anyone here would care if Tomlin had his guys in pads for 5 min??

And then you wonder about the paranoia/conspiracy comments. 

Its not a big deal, probably not even a deal at all. Maybe he wanted everyone in their pads to make sure they fit and were comfortable in them since equipment fitting is part of that day. I'm actually pretty sure that's all it was bc they were doing a non-contact return drill. 

I'd actually be more worried if he unknowingly broke the rule... That's a sign of stupidity. Knowingly just shows that he's a normal human being and didn't think anyone would care about 20 guys in pads for 10 min.

and on your point about Harbs - he's been clamoring about replay rules and on field stuff. He's actually publicly spoken about how the new CBA sucks in how it limits what they can do in the offseason and how long they can work with young players. 

It's not about the 5 minutes in pads. People would absolutely care that Tomlin intentionally broke a rule. To act like people wouldn't is downright foolish.

Just like Patriots and Steelers fan care that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule.

Edited May 19, 2016 by GhostofGrbac

[rmcjacket23]

16 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

How is pointing out that we're going to get some sort of punishment "overreacting"?

knowingly breaking a rule is not a simple coaching mistake. A simple coaching mistake would be unknowingly breaking a rule.

No, its a simple coaching mistake. Knowingly vs unknowingly isn't what defines a mistake.

[GrimCoconut]

11 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

You definitely misunderstood my catching heat comment. I'm not really sure how. Maybe I could have worded it better. I was just saying that's it added ammo for those that aren't Ravens fans. Remember Brady telling Harbaugh to "read the rule book"? And then Harbaugh goes and breaks a rule. So people are going to be taking shots at the Ravens/Harbaugh. Not that it matters at all. 

I'm implying that it was done intentionally based on what Adam Schefter had reported. Which was the NFL believes that the Ravens were aware of the non-contact practice rules, but still moved forward with the practice. That's why I don't view it as just a simple coaching staff mistake. Again IF what Schefter is reporting is true (I don't really see a reason why he would lie).

Right, that makes more sense; however, other teams have broken this rule before. I think the Seahawks are one such team. Nobody really went and talked about them like they were dogs. I think the Seahawks did it twice, so you could call that intentional. 

Just saying. 

[Tru11]

16 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

What's next, "pad-gate"? 

i like the ring of this.

i vote for thread to be called pad-gate

[ravensnj]

14 hours ago, The Raven said:

Yeah, no, but good try. Try this: reducing pointless injuries and head trauma. Did that take too much thinking to come up with?

Well, they better not let the players run either, see Perriman and jax Dante Fowler.

[gooftroop]

Harbaugh's been a vocal critic of the rules limiting practice, and he can be a hammerhead, at times. Point is that I'm not sure the little voice on his shoulder said "screw it- we're doing it". Pretty dumb, if that's the case.

[FastEddie]

I thought it was Ben Watson...

[ravensnj]

41 minutes ago, FastEddie said:

I thought it was Ben Watson...

MOLE?

[757RavensFan]

Read the comments on profootballtalk's article about this, trust me they know. 

[ravensnj]

Pads are for protection, right? What's the real problem with wearing pads? They weren't all out hitting, just running drills. Glad to see the Ravens were thinking safety first! We should be awarded a comp pick!!!

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Pads are for protection, right? What's the real problem with wearing pads? They weren't all out hitting, just running drills. Glad to see the Ravens were thinking safety first! We should be awarded a comp pick!!!

Part of the NFL's public relations attempt to convince people that they care about player safety. No pads means teams won't put their players in a position for physical contact, so less injury concerns and ultimately less concussion concerns.

[FastEddie]

23 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

MOLE?

He is one of the player representatives for CBA..pretty sure that was what caused the coaches to pull the rookies off the field from the get go...

[ravensnj]

1 minute ago, FastEddie said:

He is one of the player representatives for CBA..pretty sure that was what caused the coaches to pull the rookies off the field from the get go...

Ex-Patriot, nuff said.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Ex-Patriot, nuff said.

And now it comes full circle... Pats fans think we were the team that dimed them out for Deflate Gate, and also blame us for the rule change on eligible/ineligible receivers... so they convinced their former TE to sign with us in FA to spy on our OTAs and rookie camps for infractions to report and hopefully get us penalized in some serious way.

Genius, evil genius.

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And now it comes full circle... Pats fans think we were the team that dimed them out for Deflate Gate, and also blame us for the rule change on eligible/ineligible receivers... so they convinced their former TE to sign with us in FA to spy on our OTAs and rookie camps for infractions to report and hopefully get us penalized in some serious way.

Genius, evil genius.

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, FastEddie said:

I thought it was Ben Watson...

It's funnier if its Tom Brady. 

[GhostofGrbac]

The biggest concern all along has been that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule. 

[Grapple Raven]

Please stay on topic, this is about the Ravens violating a CBA ruling, and its potential consequences from the League. Let's keep the fan bashing out of it please!

[ravensnj]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And now it comes full circle... Pats fans think we were the team that dimed them out for Deflate Gate, and also blame us for the rule change on eligible/ineligible receivers... so they convinced their former TE to sign with us in FA to spy on our OTAs and rookie camps for infractions to report and hopefully get us penalized in some serious way.

Genius, evil genius.

I heard he was asking the league to get Ted Wells on top of this ASAP. LOL

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

The biggest concern all along has been that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule. 

Which, all along, has not been a concern at all, because it isn't likely to affect football.

[ravensnj]

26 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

The biggest concern all along has been that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule. 

John is in charge and probably will take full responsibility.  However, what if it was just an equipment man's blunder? Opps, my bad! Harbaugh did not intentional break the rule. That is an idiotic notion.  

[GhostofGrbac]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which, all along, has not been a concern at all, because it isn't likely to affect football.

Has not been a concern at all? I guess the NFL is just investigating it for fun. I guess rookies likely missing practice days doesn't affect football either. As I've said before, in the grand scheme of things what happened is not a huge deal. But you can't just sweep it under the rug. Not with the way the NFL has been looking lately. 

Basically what you're saying is go ahead and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect football. 

[ravenwildman]

GASP! Football players wearing full pads for 5 minutes! .....seriously? I hate the CBA's weird rules, they are so dumb. Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of injuries after the CBA did things to "protect" players in the offseason?

What is the reasoning behind no full pads yet? They can't handle it yet? Please, I don't think so.....remember when we played football and practice was about whatever the coach wanted to work on? NFL...what have you become? LOL,  GO RAVENS! 25

[GhostofGrbac]

8 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

John is in charge and probably will take full responsibility.  However, what if it was just an equipment man's blunder? Opps, my bad! Harbaugh did not intentional break the rule. That is an idiotic notion.  

So Adam Schefter just made it up? Come on man. What would he gain from that?

Ravens knew pad rules

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The NFL believes the Baltimore Ravens were aware of noncontact practice rules at a recent minicamp but still moved forward, which will factor into any potential discipline, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.