Ravens being investigated for putting players in full pads

[flynismo]

6 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Disappointed nobody is blaming Pees.

hahaha...give it time...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Why did we sign Ben Watson??? High character guy - yea a little too high character.... ratting his team out for wearing pads. 

Ozzie signed him, should be fired.

[CalvinSmoke]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Why did we sign Ben Watson??? High character guy - yea a little too high character.... ratting his team out for wearing pads. 

Ozzie signed him, should be fired.

I honestly have been wondering if Watson snitched lol 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

I honestly have been wondering if Watson snitched lol 

A player has to notify the union for an inquiry to be launched. The report states that one has, so unless a rookie did it (which i doubt) then it must have been Watson. But, I dont think he did so behind the teams back or anything.

It was probably more like "hey coach, you cant wear pads at rookie camp either." "Oh shoot, youre right. Alright boys take em off.... Ben let's notify the league and send in the tape."  Since it was less than 5 min's they probably figure nothing will happen except maybe a slap on the wrist fine.

[JimmyBlack]

Watson didn't snitch on the Ravens.  The media did by reporting it.

[JimmyBlack]

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

A player has to notify the union for an inquiry to be launched. The report states that one has, so unless a rookie did it (which i doubt) then it must have been Watson. But, I dont think he did so behind the teams back or anything.

It was probably more like "hey coach, you cant wear pads at rookie camp either." "Oh shoot, youre right. Alright boys take em off.... Ben let's notify the league and send in the tape."  Since it was less than 5 min's they probably figure nothing will happen except maybe a slap on the wrist fine.

Harbaugh isn't stupid.  I seriously doubt that he snitched on himself.  I'm not sure that the rookies even know the rules yet.  I imagine that Watson was trying to help.  It would suck if he was an informant within the organization.

[JimmyBlack]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

hahaha...give it time...

Maybe it was peas imaginary assistant carrots?

[Daft Classic]

lol I don;t know how the league could give us any major penalty let alone any penalty while in the same sentence say "For wearing football padding for five minutes during rookie OTA's"

[DomMcRaven]

This is all Flacco's fault. Cut him already!

[edthehead]

it really do not matter, who spoke on it

harb should have known better 

it's nobody fault but the HC,

he allowed it to happen, 

[berad]

It should have been reported. Imagine if it wasn't and the NFL found it later. Generally, the cover up is worse than the crime. For five minutes of pads - what's the penalty? Guess we'll find out.

Still, coaches should have known - this isn't their first rodeo.

[757RavensFan]

Found this on Pro Football Talk.  Take it for what it's worth. 

Quote

The Collective Bargaining Agreement uses a combination of fines, lost practice time, and draft-pick forfeiture in situations like this. The good news for the Ravens is that draft picks become an issue only in the event of multiple violations in the same league year. (The bad news is that they’re now potentially one violation away from losing a fourth-round pick.)

For a first violation, the head coach “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $100,000 for the first violation,” and the team “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $250,000 for the first violation.” Those amounts are based on 2011 league revenues; there’s a provision in the CBA allowing for an increase based on future growth in earnings.

Under the labor deal, the team’s next week of OTA sessions also “shall be canceled.”

 

 

[ludy51]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Found this on Pro Football Talk.  Take it for what it's worth. 

 

 

The next week!?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

27 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

The next week!?

I doubt that... I know it's in the literature, but in similar recent violations by other teams, only a day or 2 were lost. Think we'll see similar punishment - a smallish fine and a loss of a day or 2 of practice.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 hours ago, JimmyBlack said:

Watson didn't snitch on the Ravens.  The media did by reporting it.

The media reported on the investigation, which only gets launched if a player reports an infraction.

No one said snitched... but Watson wouldve had to be the one to report it, he's our NFLPA delegate and the one who caught the issue and pointed it out. And Harbs agreeing to report it isnt about being "stupid" or "snitching on himself." The practices are recorded, and the violation was pointed out with probably media members in attendance. 

What would have been stupid is if Harbs asked Watson and others to keep it hush and not report it, bc then if later it comes out somehow the penalty would be much worse for not reporting and withholding evidence. Knowing that the punishment won't be much, especially since it was caught in house after just 5 minutes - the smart thing to do was to report it right away and take your lump.

Shows your organization is willing to be transparent and forthcoming. Puts you in good graces with the league office and might buy you the benefit of the doubt if theres ever a future issue that resides more in the gray scale of things. 

[Kinda_Dante]

Are the videos of our practices provided by the patriots?

[AsianRice]

34 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Are the videos of our practices provided by the patriots?

Belichick replies which one?

[harfordravenfan]

Getting better than the dump thread...

+1's to all for the laughs

But I do agree that harbs should've known or inquired before doing it, maybe he was feeling out our new players union rep?

[Virginia 55]

This is on the coaching staff period.  

 

How in the world does the man that does the most complaining about the rules, not know this one? 

 

Unreal and unnecessary. nothing to be gained here.  

[ravensnj]

Who is to blame? Who doesn't know the rules? Who allowed this to happen? Business is business, get to the bottom and discipline as appropriate and move on. The league will fine ($) , but, someone needs to oversee the team a little bit better.

[GhostofGrbac]

4 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

This is on the coaching staff period.  

 

How in the world does the man that does the most complaining about the rules, not know this one? 

 

Unreal and unnecessary. nothing to be gained here.  

And now Adam Schefter is reporting that the NFL doesn't believe that the Ravens were unaware of the rule. 

This isn't just going to go away. We're facing some type of punishment from the NFL. I doubt it's a draft picks, but this all could have been avoided. Harbaugh looks really bad here with all the complaining he has done about rules in the past. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, GhostofGrbac said:

And now Adam Schefter is reporting that the NFL doesn't believe that the Ravens were unaware of the rule. 

This isn't just going to go away. We're facing some type of punishment from the NFL. I doubt it's a draft picks, but this all could have been avoided. Harbaugh looks really bad here with all the complaining he has done about rules in the past. 

 

Pump the brakes folks. I get its a slow news day, but stop overreacting to push your own agendas.

Coaching staff screwed up, they'll get fined by the league, maybe a couple lost days of OTAs, and that'll be the end of that.

[GhostofGrbac]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Pump the brakes folks. I get its a slow news day, but stop overreacting to push your own agendas.

Coaching staff screwed up, they'll get fined by the league, maybe a couple lost days of OTAs, and that'll be the end of that.

I don't see anyone overreacting. We're going to face some sort of punishment. That's 100% fact. 

Knowingly breaking a rule (if what Schefter says is true) is not just a coaching staff screw up. It's obviously not on the bounty or deflate gate level, but it is a violation. The Ravens are going to catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

I don't see anyone overreacting. We're going to face some sort of punishment. That's 100% fact. 

Knowingly breaking a rule (if what Schefter says is true) is not just a coaching staff screw up. It's obviously not on the bounty or deflate gate level, but it is a violation. The Ravens are going to catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules. 

OK... and?

We will be punished. How much will be determined. Regardless, it won't be a substantial punishment... certainly not anything near the level where it would affect our 2016 performance.

And yes, by definition, it is simply a coaching staff screw up. If its well above that, then the punishment wouldn't just be a fine and maybe some loss of OTA time that the players will work out on their own anyway.

I could care less about "catching heat". This information has been out for over 24 hours now and I haven't heard a peep of it outside of Baltimore. Its never going to be a headline on ESPN or any other news network, nor should it be (even in a down time for reporting). If the worst thing that happens is we "catch heat" and get a fine, that tells you all you need to know about how seriously people take this.

The fact that Harbaugh is vocal about rule changes doesn't have impact here. That's like saying John shouldn't complain about the rules when his own players commit penalties. Not exactly an intelligent argument. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Harbaugh has been vocal about IN GAME rule changes, which is completely separate from this.

Frankly, in this context, "catching heat" would be a good thing, as at least it will allow readers to have more information about what John is fighting for.

Edited May 18, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[ravensnj]

What's the big deal about practice with pads anyway? I guess it started with everyone gets a trophy thinking. Man up, NFL!

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

I don't see anyone overreacting. We're going to face some sort of punishment. That's 100% fact. 

Knowingly breaking a rule (if what Schefter says is true) is not just a coaching staff screw up. It's obviously not on the bounty or deflate gate level, but it is a violation. The Ravens are going to catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules. 

Maybe. I think we probably get fined and lose some practices, but I think that would be about it. Pretty stupid by the coaching staff to do this. I think it really hurts the young guys more than anything since they are still learning. No need to push the envelope and get caught breaking the rules and lose real training camp days these young guys need to put pads on for practice on a day that doesn't matter. That's where I have an issue here. But yes, it is a coaching staff screw up. You sound a bit paranoid, to be honest. I don't think we catch heat just because of Harbaugh is vocal about the rules. We'll catch heat because we screwed up and deserve it if we do catch heat. There's no conspiracy here against us. 

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

OK... and?

We will be punished. How much will be determined. Regardless, it won't be a substantial punishment... certainly not anything near the level where it would affect our 2016 performance.

And yes, by definition, it is simply a coaching staff screw up. If its well above that, then the punishment wouldn't just be a fine and maybe some loss of OTA time that the players will work out on their own anyway.

I could care less about "catching heat". This information has been out for over 24 hours now and I haven't heard a peep of it outside of Baltimore. Its never going to be a headline on ESPN or any other news network, nor should it be (even in a down time for reporting). If the worst thing that happens is we "catch heat" and get a fine, that tells you all you need to know about how seriously people take this.

The fact that Harbaugh is vocal about rule changes doesn't have impact here. That's like saying John shouldn't complain about the rules when his own players commit penalties. Not exactly an intelligent argument. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Harbaugh has been vocal about IN GAME rule changes, which is completely separate from this.

Frankly, in this context, "catching heat" would be a good thing, as at least it will allow readers to have more information about what John is fighting for.

Right, I agree. I think this is getting a bit blown out of proportion. What's next, "pad-gate"? 

[GhostofGrbac]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

OK... and?

We will be punished. How much will be determined. Regardless, it won't be a substantial punishment... certainly not anything near the level where it would affect our 2016 performance.

And yes, by definition, it is simply a coaching staff screw up. If its well above that, then the punishment wouldn't just be a fine and maybe some loss of OTA time that the players will work out on their own anyway.

I could care less about "catching heat". This information has been out for over 24 hours now and I haven't heard a peep of it outside of Baltimore. Its never going to be a headline on ESPN or any other news network, nor should it be (even in a down time for reporting). If the worst thing that happens is we "catch heat" and get a fine, that tells you all you need to know about how seriously people take this.

The fact that Harbaugh is vocal about rule changes doesn't have impact here. That's like saying John shouldn't complain about the rules when his own players commit penalties. Not exactly an intelligent argument. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Harbaugh has been vocal about IN GAME rule changes, which is completely separate from this.

Frankly, in this context, "catching heat" would be a good thing, as at least it will allow readers to have more information about what John is fighting for.

How is pointing out that we're going to get some sort of punishment "overreacting"?

knowingly breaking a rule is not a simple coaching mistake. A simple coaching mistake would be unknowingly breaking a rule.

[eek]

I am ok with what harbs did. He wants to know early on whose soft or not, after the injury crazy season we had last year i dont blame him. the NFLPA did a disservice to the players when they signed the CBA, taking away all these practices might've helped a couple old time vets, but it really hurt these young kids in getting prepared for the season.

[GhostofGrbac]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Maybe. I think we probably get fined and lose some practices, but I think that would be about it. Pretty stupid by the coaching staff to do this. I think it really hurts the young guys more than anything since they are still learning. No need to push the envelope and get caught breaking the rules and lose real training camp days these young guys need to put pads on for practice on a day that doesn't matter. That's where I have an issue here. But yes, it is a coaching staff screw up. You sound a bit paranoid, to be honest. I don't think we catch heat just because of Harbaugh is vocal about the rules. We'll catch heat because we screwed up and deserve it if we do catch heat. There's no conspiracy here against us. 

How do I sound paranoid? Because I don't view knowingly breaking a rule as a simple coaching staff screw up? 

Also by catching heat I'm talking about from opposing fans. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. It's not like the NFL is going to intensify the punishment because Harbaugh has been vocal about the rules.

It's funny to me to see people brush this off, but you know damn well if it was Mike Tomlin everyone would be up in arms. Take the purple glasses off folks. 

Edited May 18, 2016 by GhostofGrbac

[The Raven]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

What's the big deal about practice with pads anyway? I guess it started with everyone gets a trophy thinking. Man up, NFL!

Yeah, no, but good try. Try this: reducing pointless injuries and head trauma. Did that take too much thinking to come up with?