Revisiting the 2014 NFL Draft

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Well first off I understand the salary cap very well. Participate in a detailed salary cap game on this site every year. Yes there are choices to make. I disagree with the choices of not retaining McPhee and KO.

First Pernell. I pulled up his Bear deal. He's earning a very manageable 7.75 mil average over his contract. He's a full time edge player with versatility inside. Honestly as good as Doom is if it really came down to that choice I keep the younger player just going into his prime. However I'm positive there were several other expendable choices there. 

 

Ko you bring up this year but that decision was made the year prior. He was limited by injury and we could have used that in contract negotiations. Now I will say that is a risk on our part. I.e. Pitta. IMO you keep the strength of the team intact and for this team it was the oline no doubt about it. Now I don't think this is a direct correlation but would I rather have a young great guard who is a monster and just getting into his prime or weddle and Wallace that's an easy choice. I do like the weddle signing as communication has been a big problem for the secondary and you need vet leadership but not over a young stud player. 

Pernell- I see what your saying and it could of gone either way, but I think @JoeyFlex5 hit it correctly, I think the FO wasn't ready to hand out that kind of contract after one break out year with lingering injury issues, Even last year he had injury problems.  He only missed 4 games in 4 years with us but always seemed to have something lingering.  I know he's 5 years younger than Doom, but if Doom is still out producing him then im rolling with that guy, hell, one year Doom had the same amount of sacks as Pernelll the entire time he was here. 

KO- I don't think the decision was made a year prior considering we still offered him a contract, he walked.  I think the FO feels they can replace KO easier than they can Weddle/Wallace.  Obviously I would have liked to keep KO, but for what the team wanted to do and to fill holes, it wasn't possible, it's a catch 22.  Just like when we traded Boldin, I was furious, but we got Doom out of that so I think it was worth it.  It's not as if we didn't even offer KO a contract, we did, but he knew he could get more elsewhere,  That's why Scott, Kruger, JJ, McPhee, Torrey left....they went to teams that could spend more, that's business. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

You guys seem oblivious to ravens just finished 5-11. Some people accept mediocrity. Again not the entire future. 3Draft picks in one draft. 2 defensive players coming off average years and a below average TE. The player ravens could of won everybody is picking him to be the best defensive player in the game this yr. Likely an all time great. He is a top 3 edge rusher,elite agsinst the run and can cover as well as any lb in the game. But particular dedicated fans are going to say ravens management makes all the right decisions. Mack could get 30 sacks and unanimous league mvp this year while Mosley/jernigan again struggle and it was the right decision to not trade up for him. The 3 #1 picks is ludicrous. Look up info there were legit negotiations. Do you believe there would of even been any talks if the price was 3 round1 picks?? You would never have heard about any interest or trade talks. Management is not going to say the asking price cuz it would make them look terrible!!  If it was ridiculous asking price it would be public.

Mack was also a smaller school prospect who had a leap to make. Trading a mid first, 2nd and 3rd for that is a risky move. I personally thought Mack was a good looking prospect but I didn't think he was as dominant as he turned out to be, I'm surprised at how great he's been. Its always easy to talk with the luxury of hindsight, but here's what happened.. We drew a line and made our offer, they said no, we stayed out and took another guy that we had ranked easily top 10(in all honesty we could've had a top 5 grade on mosley) and he has turned into an elite ILB who just had some growing pains in coverage in a year where the entire defense was abysmal. Is mosley+jernigan+brooks better than Mack? Nah. Could we have guaranteed at the time that trading all that would have been a better move? I probably would have been against it personally, but you just don't have hindsight while drafting. People always seem to forget this.

[Winchester]

22 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Pernell- I see what your saying and it could of gone either way, but I think @JoeyFlex5 hit it correctly, I think the FO wasn't ready to hand out that kind of contract after one break out year with lingering injury issues, Even last year he had injury problems.  He only missed 4 games in 4 years with us but always seemed to have something lingering.  I know he's 5 years younger than Doom, but if Doom is still out producing him then im rolling with that guy, hell, one year Doom had the same amount of sacks as Pernelll the entire time he was here. 

KO- I don't think the decision was made a year prior considering we still offered him a contract, he walked.  I think the FO feels they can replace KO easier than they can Weddle/Wallace.  Obviously I would have liked to keep KO, but for what the team wanted to do and to fill holes, it wasn't possible, it's a catch 22.  Just like when we traded Boldin, I was furious, but we got Doom out of that so I think it was worth it.  It's not as if we didn't even offer KO a contract, we did, but he knew he could get more elsewhere,  That's why Scott, Kruger, JJ, McPhee, Torrey left....they went to teams that could spend more, that's business. 

I do not like the Weddle or Wallace signings. Both are over their prime. Weddle was clearly not the same player last year and the chargers wanted no part of shelling out a big contract to him. Wallace is turning 30 and never was more than a deep guy. Weddle played the leader card and ravens took the bait. But he still needs to be a player. He is coming off a down year and a year older. Same with wallace

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

I do not like the Weddle or Wallace signings. Both are over their prime. Weddle was clearly not the same player last year and the chargers wanted no part of shelling out a big contract to him. Wallace is turning 30 and never was more than a deep guy. Weddle played the leader card and ravens took the bait. But he still needs to be a player. He is coming off a down year and a year older. Same with wallace

Yea I know, hence why I stated that in another response to you one page back. 

Weddle- Just a 2 years ago he was ranked as the number one safety and last year he was top 12, falling mainly because of missed time.  Im not saying hes going to come in and be Reed 2.0, but a guy that can stick to assignments, keep the secondary communication going and make tackles could easily improves our secondary. 

Wallace-  I don't expect him to come in and put up amazing numbers, but he adds another threat to our offense and can most likely teach BP some things.  The last couple years he has worked with two of the weakest arm QBs in the league, now he has Joe.  I wonder if we can use him in the return game?  When we won in 12', look at our WR corps- Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby.  Now: SSr, Wallace, BP.  There is a slight resemblance.  I mean Wallace is no Brian Quick, but I think he will do alright here. 

[Winchester]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I know, hence why I stated that in another response to you one page back. 

Weddle- Just a 2 years ago he was ranked as the number one safety and last year he was top 12, falling mainly because of missed time.  Im not saying hes going to come in and be Reed 2.0, but a guy that can stick to assignments, keep the secondary communication going and make tackles could easily improves our secondary. 

Wallace-  I don't expect him to come in and put up amazing numbers, but he adds another threat to our offense and can most likely teach BP some things.  The last couple years he has worked with two of the weakest arm QBs in the league, now he has Joe.  I wonder if we can use him in the return game?  When we won in 12', look at our WR corps- Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby.  Now: SSr, Wallace, BP.  There is a slight resemblance.  I mean Wallace is no Brian Quick, but I think he will do alright here. 

I would prefer to focus on the the talented young receivers get up to speed than a guy over his prime coming off a down year blaming everybody else. Perriman,Campanaro and Chris Moore become the go to guys. I liked Mitchell and Robinson better but Chris Moore is a phenomenal talent that caught mayocks and some of the big analysts eyes just before the draft as one of the best wr talents available in the draft!! faster and sudden in routes than thought

[usmccharles]

Just now, Winchester said:

I would prefer to focus on the the talented young receivers get up to speed than a guy over his prime coming off a down year blaming everybody else. Perriman,Campanaro and Chris Moore become the go to guys. I liked Mitchell and Robinson better but Chris Moore is a phenomenal talent that caught mayocks and some of the big analysts eyes just before the draft as one of the best wr talents available in the draft!! faster and sudden in routes than thought

Those most talented will play.  Remember what happened last time we relied on our young WR's?  Young WRs need time to develop, a year or two with Wallace will only help them learn the ropes, no harm there. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

I do not like the Weddle or Wallace signings. Both are over their prime. Weddle was clearly not the same player last year and the chargers wanted no part of shelling out a big contract to him. Wallace is turning 30 and never was more than a deep guy. Weddle played the leader card and ravens took the bait. But he still needs to be a player. He is coming off a down year and a year older. Same with wallace

What was the problem from our safeties last year... They were boneheads, they played dumb and undisciplined and were always in the wrong place, weddle and Webb fix that, no matter how average weddle might be athletically he won't get caught out of place and is and massive upgrade at the weakest position on this team since 2012. Also wasn't he playing with a pretty bad injury all season? 

 

Also, Wallace only plays the deep ball.. First of all that's not true, second, since when is a high end deep wr a bad thing for Joe flaccos offense? Our game always has been and always will be based on the threat of a deep ball that WILL come if you ever leave our guys 1 on 1, it doesn't work without burners, now we have 2 burners and 1 deep specialist and a pair of possession guys along with a very good TE duo. You may not love wallace, but don't get confused here, he is a great pick up for us UNLESS he turns out to be a locker room cancer of sorts.

[Jacquouille]

A Chargers friend of mine told me Weddle has plenty of gars left, the problem was how bad de Chargers staff treated him.

[trevorsteadman]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What was the problem from our safeties last year... They were boneheads, they played dumb and undisciplined and were always in the wrong place, weddle and Webb fix that, no matter how average weddle might be athletically he won't get caught out of place and is and massive upgrade at the weakest position on this team since 2012. Also wasn't he playing with a pretty bad injury all season? 

 

Also, Wallace only plays the deep ball.. First of all that's not true, second, since when is a high end deep wr a bad thing for Joe flaccos offense? Our game always has been and always will be based on the threat of a deep ball that WILL come if you ever leave our guys 1 on 1, it doesn't work without burners, now we have 2 burners and 1 deep specialist and a pair of possession guys along with a very good TE duo. You may not love wallace, but don't get confused here, he is a great pick up for us UNLESS he turns out to be a locker room cancer of sorts.

I'm hoping that Webb isn't the next bonehead at safety... I think him and Weddle will be a good tandem even though both are better in passing defense. All Wallace needs to do to be honest is to get us a big play or two a game. Steve Smith and Kamar Aiken can handle intermediate and short passes. Any ball caught by Wallace only 5-10 yards from the line of scrimmage I think is just a bonus to what we thought we were getting. Add in the depth at tight end. All Wallace and Perriman need to do is what Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones did in 2012. Run. 

[trevorsteadman]

30 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

A Chargers friend of mine told me Weddle has plenty of gars left, the problem was how bad de Chargers staff treated him.

This situation sounds vaguely familiar to the Steve Smith situation with Carolina two years ago. Both are not too athletically gifted, but both have high football IQ and play with passion. Which is what we need. No more games with AJ Green getting 200 yards on us in the 4th quarter please. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

A Chargers friend of mine told me Weddle has plenty of gars left, the problem was how bad de Chargers staff treated him.

 

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

This situation sounds vaguely familiar to the Steve Smith situation with Carolina two years ago. Both are not too athletically gifted, but both have high football IQ and play with passion. Which is what we need. No more games with AJ Green getting 200 yards on us in the 4th quarter please. 

I live in San Diego, I haven't talked to one Charger fan that can hold a conversation that is happy about him leaving.  Every single fan I have talked to is mad about how the Chargers treated him and wanted him to continue playing here because he had some juice left. 

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I'm hoping that Webb isn't the next bonehead at safety... I think him and Weddle will be a good tandem even though both are better in passing defense. All Wallace needs to do to be honest is to get us a big play or two a game. Steve Smith and Kamar Aiken can handle intermediate and short passes. Any ball caught by Wallace only 5-10 yards from the line of scrimmage I think is just a bonus to what we thought we were getting. Add in the depth at tight end. All Wallace and Perriman need to do is what Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones did in 2012. Run. 

That's exactly what I have been saying about BP and Wallace.  Also, im curious if Wallace can offer anything in the return game.   I see no downside of giving Wallace a chance. 

[harfordravenfan]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

I live in San Diego, I haven't talked to one Charger fan that can hold a conversation that is happy about him leaving.  Every single fan I have talked to is mad about how the Chargers treated him and wanted him to continue playing here because he had some juice left. 

That's exactly what I have been saying about BP and Wallace.  Also, im curious if Wallace can offer anything in the return game.   I see no downside of giving Wallace a chance. 

Agree completely,

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[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 

I live in San Diego, I haven't talked to one Charger fan that can hold a conversation that is happy about him leaving.  Every single fan I have talked to is mad about how the Chargers treated him and wanted him to continue playing here because he had some juice left. 

That's exactly what I have been saying about BP and Wallace.  Also, im curious if Wallace can offer anything in the return game.   I see no downside of giving Wallace a chance. 

Our offense, if it had a good solid running back with good hands which I think Allen or Dixon could be, I think is better than the super bowl year. Steve Smith is an upgrade over Boldin (sorry Boldin lovers) maybe not after his injury we will have to see. But Perriman, Moore, and Wallace just have to go deep and get a a couple big plays a game for them to do their job. Our tight ends are deeper and better than the super bowl year. So many what ifs going into this season but there is serious potential I haven't seen since the super bowl season.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Our offense, if it had a good solid running back with good hands which I think Allen or Dixon could be, I think is better than the super bowl year. Steve Smith is an upgrade over Boldin (sorry Boldin lovers) maybe not after his injury we will have to see. But Perriman, Moore, and Wallace just have to go deep and get a a couple big plays a game for them to do their job. Our tight ends are deeper and better than the super bowl year. So many what ifs going into this season but there is serious potential I haven't seen since the super bowl season.

I agree this offense could be extremely dangerous.  We dont have that RB that really strikes fear to the defense that Rice did, but make no mistake our RBs can get the job done.  We really need BP to pick things up quickly and have Wallace contribute so that way we dont have to completely rely on SSr

[Kinda_Dante]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree this offense could be extremely dangerous.  We dont have that RB that really strikes fear to the defense that Rice did, but make no mistake our RBs can get the job done.  We really need BP to pick things up quickly and have Wallace contribute so that way we dont have to completely rely on SSr

I believe Dixon can develop into that RB

[trevorsteadman]

47 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I believe Dixon can develop into that RB

I think he can as well. He has all the talent in the world. I hope he works hard he can make it happen. He was meant for Trestman's offense.

[Jacquouille]

I really see Rice when I watch Dixon. 

[Winchester]

In my opinion the Wallace big play threat has sailed. I would prefer for the ravens signed a more complete aging WR to coach up young fast talented perriman Campanaro and Chris moore!! Chris Moore is going to be a better route runner than Wallace ever dreamed!!  You have to watch his games where Chris was not the intended target to see his fast crisp sudden routes. Ravens have a really awesome receivers coach but a vet would go a long way maturing young guys

[ALPHA]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

In my opinion the Wallace big play threat has sailed. I would prefer for the ravens signed a more complete aging WR to coach up young fast talented perriman Campanaro and Chris moore!! Chris Moore is going to be a better route runner than Wallace ever dreamed!!  You have to watch his games where Chris was not the intended target to see his fast crisp sudden routes. Ravens have a really awesome receivers coach but a vet would go a long way maturing young guys

Perriman and Moore look like future studs but Campanaro is an injury bust, Wallace and Weddle are getting up in age but they're still immediate upgrades

[Winchester]

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

Perriman and Moore look like future studs but Campanaro is an injury bust, Wallace and Weddle are getting up in age but they're still immediate upgrades

It has been 2 seasons. Campanaro is not yet an injury bust. If he misses significant games again I'll call him a bust

[BmoreBird22]

On 5/19/2016 at 7:48 AM, ravensdan said:

Yes but it was a mistake to not manage the cap and contracts to be able to keep these cornerstone type of players. Other cuts should have been made of need be.  It's not the same as letting go of someone like Ngata who is moving past his prime at a high figure. 

This is a fairly bold statement, especially when it comes to players like McPhee who don't really ball out at a really high level until year three. 

What happens if a player looks pedestrian in years one and two and more deserving players get contract extensions during those two years? Then, comes year three where that pedestrian player tears it up, but there's no more cap. I mean, you can call it irresponsible, but it's a numbers game that none of us could do.

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Well first off I understand the salary cap very well. Participate in a detailed salary cap game on this site every year. Yes there are choices to make. I disagree with the choices of not retaining McPhee and KO.

First Pernell. I pulled up his Bear deal. He's earning a very manageable 7.75 mil average over his contract. He's a full time edge player with versatility inside. Honestly as good as Doom is if it really came down to that choice I keep the younger player just going into his prime. However I'm positive there were several other expendable choices there. 

 

Ko you bring up this year but that decision was made the year prior. He was limited by injury and we could have used that in contract negotiations. Now I will say that is a risk on our part. I.e. Pitta. IMO you keep the strength of the team intact and for this team it was the oline no doubt about it. Now I don't think this is a direct correlation but would I rather have a young great guard who is a monster and just getting into his prime or weddle and Wallace that's an easy choice. I do like the weddle signing as communication has been a big problem for the secondary and you need vet leadership but not over a young stud player. 

Wait, are you really using our forum mock as an example of understanding the salary cap...? 

Also, you pulled up McPhee's salary info, but did you bother to look at the cap hits? Sure, I'd love to have McPhee here over Doom as well, but you have to consider several things. 1. Doom was signed in 2013 for less than what McPhee makes now at a time when McPhee was not playing like how he did in the final two years of his contract. 2. McPhee had a cap hit of around $6.5M last year and around $7.5M this year. Doom would have saved a whole $250K last year. Where are you going to get the other $6.25M? Also, I believe Doom would have saved around $3M this year, so again, a gap of around $4.5M in a very tight year for the salary cap. I suppose you could cut Webb, Forsett, Doom, Zuttah, and SSS to come up with that money, but would it really be worth it? Probably not.

You act like it's reasonable for a player to have a down year due to injury prior to a contract year and then have them just accept an offer. Would you do that? Hell no. You're going to want to go into your contract year and prove your worth and show that injuries were not an issue. Anyway, it was 2013 in which injuries plagued KO, not 2014. 2014 was arguably KO's finest season at LG, so you'd have to have negotiated with him in 2013, two years prior to his contract expiring, to get that "injury" benefit. But still, this all also hinges on that player WANTING to accept your offer and not test the market. KO had a damn good 2014 and knew he'd probably do just as well in 2015. What's the benefit to accepting the Ravens offer early before a salary cap rise? There is none for him. 

And to your point about Wallace and Weddle; pretty sure KO was lost before those two got signed, so it's not like the FO sat there and said, "Well, do we want KO or do we want Weddle and Wallace?" I'm sure they would have loved to keep KO, but that's not always feasible. 

[ludy51]

17 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Well first off I understand the salary cap very well. Participate in a detailed salary cap game on this site every year. Yes there are choices to make. I disagree with the choices of not retaining McPhee and KO.

First Pernell. I pulled up his Bear deal. He's earning a very manageable 7.75 mil average over his contract. He's a full time edge player with versatility inside. Honestly as good as Doom is if it really came down to that choice I keep the younger player just going into his prime. However I'm positive there were several other expendable choices there. 

 

Ko you bring up this year but that decision was made the year prior. He was limited by injury and we could have used that in contract negotiations. Now I will say that is a risk on our part. I.e. Pitta. IMO you keep the strength of the team intact and for this team it was the oline no doubt about it. Now I don't think this is a direct correlation but would I rather have a young great guard who is a monster and just getting into his prime or weddle and Wallace that's an easy choice. I do like the weddle signing as communication has been a big problem for the secondary and you need vet leadership but not over a young stud player. 

You can't seriously be useing our game as anywhere close to an accurate cap representation right?

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I believe Dixon can develop into that RB

Same. I think he's gonna be a perennial pro bowler. And I have been saying this since looooong before we drafted him.

[jazz1988]

36 minutes ago, Winchester said:

In my opinion the Wallace big play threat has sailed. I would prefer for the ravens signed a more complete aging WR to coach up young fast talented perriman Campanaro and Chris moore!! Chris Moore is going to be a better route runner than Wallace ever dreamed!!  You have to watch his games where Chris was not the intended target to see his fast crisp sudden routes. Ravens have a really awesome receivers coach but a vet would go a long way maturing young guys

 

Your opinion may be fact but it's really hard to agree because there isn't any solid evidence to prove it's true. Wallace hasn't had big strong arm quarterback to take advantage of what he does best since  Big Ben. The Dolphins and Vikings quarterback don't like to throw it deep which is one of the reasons why their more underneath/slot receivers were more successful. The Ravens already have Steve Smith so I can't really think of any better aging veteran wideout to help mentor Camp and others.

 

Camp himself is  already entering his third year as a Ravens so i'm sure he has had Steve Smith in his ear giving him pointers for the past two season. Just because Wallace is better at running deep routes doesn't mean he can't give other receivers some pointers on how to run routes. Not every receiver can run all the route tree because of their lack of knowledge but sometimes it's just because their physical limitations. Some receivers are just too stiff to run slants and etc successfully like other receivers can  but that doesn't mean he can't help other receivers on how to run it properly. I bet if Randy Moss decided to want to be a wide receiver coach some fans would love to have him on their team but he's was one of the greatest one trick pony in the league during his career.

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

You can't seriously be useing our game as anywhere close to an accurate cap representation right?

Glad to see we are both on the same page.

[rmcjacket23]

On May 19, 2016 at 0:12 AM, Danny D said:

I think all Ravens fans can agree to disagree...but what is  mandatory is that a Raven fan know his/her Raven history.  Bisciotti over-ruled DeCosta on Flacco. One has to know the background in order to post opinion with conviction.  In other words it's far easier to project where the team is heading, if one knows where it has been.

Giving credit for Mosely, the rest of that draft was ho hum at best.  If this year wasn't more effective, we are in for another long year. I don't like this draft but for one late round selection and the corner, but late rounds are not where Drafts are won or lost.

Kind of ironic that you would reference Steve overruling DeCosta on trading up for Flacco, when it was also DeCosta who was leading the charge for the Ravens to NOT move up and draft Matt Ryan... something Steve was very, very, very, very willing to do. 

Its important for Ravens fans to know their history, but its also important for Ravens fans to not pick and choose certain parts of that history (while ignoring others) in order to make their already weak argument sound better.

[ravensdan]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Wait, are you really using our forum mock as an example of understanding the salary cap...? 

Also, you pulled up McPhee's salary info, but did you bother to look at the cap hits? Sure, I'd love to have McPhee here over Doom as well, but you have to consider several things. 1. Doom was signed in 2013 for less than what McPhee makes now at a time when McPhee was not playing like how he did in the final two years of his contract. 2. McPhee had a cap hit of around $6.5M last year and around $7.5M this year. Doom would have saved a whole $250K last year. Where are you going to get the other $6.25M? Also, I believe Doom would have saved around $3M this year, so again, a gap of around $4.5M in a very tight year for the salary cap. I suppose you could cut Webb, Forsett, Doom, Zuttah, and SSS to come up with that money, but would it really be worth it? Probably not.

You act like it's reasonable for a player to have a down year due to injury prior to a contract year and then have them just accept an offer. Would you do that? Hell no. You're going to want to go into your contract year and prove your worth and show that injuries were not an issue. Anyway, it was 2013 in which injuries plagued KO, not 2014. 2014 was arguably KO's finest season at LG, so you'd have to have negotiated with him in 2013, two years prior to his contract expiring, to get that "injury" benefit. But still, this all also hinges on that player WANTING to accept your offer and not test the market. KO had a damn good 2014 and knew he'd probably do just as well in 2015. What's the benefit to accepting the Ravens offer early before a salary cap rise? There is none for him. 

And to your point about Wallace and Weddle; pretty sure KO was lost before those two got signed, so it's not like the FO sat there and said, "Well, do we want KO or do we want Weddle and Wallace?" I'm sure they would have loved to keep KO, but that's not always feasible. 

First off our game was a bad example. Scratch that. Bad point. Only meant to point out I'm not saying lets just keep everyone with no thought on their salary. That's not the point. Most of us in this discussion are reasonable enough to realize there's a limited cap and resources must be allocated. My point is where we should be focusing our resources. ...

 

for or mcphees contract you bring up specific cap hits but you and I both know that that is up to the team specific situation to lay those out as needed. We likely set up a lower cap hit year one with a resign. Perhaps injury history was key to the decision to not prioritize McPhee but I just feel he was a young player coming into his prime grown in house at a vital position. That should be a priority. 

 

Many players let's agree to contracts that are more team sided to get the guaranteed money early when offered. It most certainly happens all the time. That guarantee means a lot from player perspectives. 

 

The he third point weddle and Wallace v KO I was just answering a direct question of who you woukd rather have. I realize the decisions were not a straight line. 

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

for or mcphees contract you bring up specific cap hits but you and I both know that that is up to the team specific situation to lay those out as needed. We likely set up a lower cap hit year one with a resign. Perhaps injury history was key to the decision to not prioritize McPhee but I just feel he was a young player coming into his prime grown in house at a vital position. That should be a priority. 

 

Many players let's agree to contracts that are more team sided to get the guaranteed money early when offered. It most certainly happens all the time. That guarantee means a lot from player perspectives. 

 

The he third point weddle and Wallace v KO I was just answering a direct question of who you woukd rather have. I realize the decisions were not a straight line. 

How do you get much lower? The Ravens would probably do the exact same structuring ($1M base salary in year one), so there really isn't a way too lower it too much more, unless the Ravens offered him a lower signing bonus, which wasn't going to entice him.

I'm unsure of what you mean by the second point, but if you can give me an five examples of players giving their teams a real discount on the second contract, I'll believe it, to a degree.

I'd rather have KO, too, but it wasn't that cut and dry.

[trevorsteadman]

On 5/21/2016 at 6:01 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

How do you get much lower? The Ravens would probably do the exact same structuring ($1M base salary in year one), so there really isn't a way too lower it too much more, unless the Ravens offered him a lower signing bonus, which wasn't going to entice him.

I'm unsure of what you mean by the second point, but if you can give me an five examples of players giving their teams a real discount on the second contract, I'll believe it, to a degree.

I'd rather have KO, too, but it wasn't that cut and dry.

Really? I would actually rather have Wallace and Weddle over KO for next season. Interesting...