[News] Late For Work 5/12: Ravens' Bargain Shopping Begins Today With Plenty Of Options

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, with guys like Pitta and Monroe... we already know the answer. They'll likely be gone soon and the cap problems will go away. Joe's cap situations isn't going to dramatically increase any longer... it will go up, but the cap will rise annually by significantly more than Joe's deal will increase.

The cap problems were bigger issues in the last 2-3 years than they will be going forward. We only gave out one significant long term extension between the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

I agree that Joe's contract is leveled out and we are not haunted by Rice's contract or Pitta's much anymore... But I think Monroe stays on the team. I can see Pitta being the odd man out with our tight ends, but I do not think cutting Monroe puts our team in a better spot. When he plays he plays well. The cap savings we get for cutting him is not enough in my opinion to cut him especially with the list of other players out on the market currently. I think Monroe stays.

[budman]

Just now, bioLarzen said:

Sometimes FO's do it on purpose, to stash free cap space for a future period. The Raiders seem to have done just this, the Panthers, the Jags... So, it's not always a bad strategy... although not an automatic winner, either

Right. It's not always bad. The Raiders and Jags look like they could contend this year after the last (a lot) of years.

[WNC-Raven]

  6 minutes ago, budman said:

I get ya. The only parts that rang true were the situations we were in when we extended Flacco , Yanda, Pitta and even Monroe. Our cap is o.k now but what happens later? Didn't Pittsburgh have that problem too?

Well, with guys like Pitta and Monroe... we already know the answer. They'll likely be gone soon and the cap problems will go away. Joe's cap situations isn't going to dramatically increase any longer... it will go up, but the cap will rise annually by significantly more than Joe's deal will increase.

The cap problems were bigger issues in the last 2-3 years than they will be going forward. We only gave out one significant long term extension between the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

[budman]

Just now, WNC-Raven said:

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

The only 2 that I see that we should of kept (imo) is Osemelee and McPhee. The rest just didn't warrant the money they were asking.

Edited May 12, 2016 by budman

[RRRRRavens]

Honestly I'd be ecstatic if we signed Cortland or Tillman they would bring toughness experience and real game to a thin CB position! Not to mention Ball hawking skills. We need all the ball-hawks we can find. Lattimore I think would be a good pick up at Lb. Also Clifton Brown doesn't really have confidence in our team IMO, I mean we are going to be a really good team overall with all these players coming back from injuries. Imagine if Flacco, Suggs, Smith and CO. all come back 100% and playing at the level the left off at, We Are going to be a Dangerous Team. We are always being seen as the underdogs/outcast so I'm used to as a Ravens Fan.

Who is CO?

[hen826957]

Honestly I'd be ecstatic if we signed Cortland or Tillman they would bring toughness experience and real game to a thin CB position! Not to mention Ball hawking skills. We need all the ball-hawks we can find. Lattimore I think would be a good pick up at Lb. Also Clifton Brown doesn't really have confidence in our team IMO, I mean we are going to be a really good team overall with all these players coming back from injuries. Imagine if Flacco, Suggs, Smith and CO. all come back 100% and playing at the level the left off at, We Are going to be a Dangerous Team. We are always being seen as the underdogs/outcast so I'm used to as a Ravens Fan.

Finnegan will cause a lot of yellow on the field and Tillman is getting up to age (35) and he will make our team older.

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Who is CO?

Company...

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree that Joe's contract is leveled out and we are not haunted by Rice's contract or Pitta's much anymore... But I think Monroe stays on the team. I can see Pitta being the odd man out with our tight ends, but I do not think cutting Monroe puts our team in a better spot. When he plays he plays well. The cap savings we get for cutting him is not enough in my opinion to cut him especially with the list of other players out on the market currently. I think Monroe stays.

He stays... for this year.

There's virtually no scenario I see where Monroe is a Raven in 2017. Even if he played 16 games and played well, I think we'd look to trade him. 

The only very, very, very outside possibility would be if Stanley just really struggles in his competition with Monroe, Monroe plays exceptionally well and plays a full season, and they decide Stanley needs a year at RT in 2017, in which case we'd let Wagner walk in FA.

I'd say the likelihood of all of that happening is extremely small.

So, realistically, 2016 will probably be the last time you see Monroe as a Raven.

[hen826957]

I would rather signed Antonio Cromartie over Leon Hall due to the fact is that Hall doesn't create a lot of turnovers during the last couple of years with Cincinnati while Cromartie does aside from 2015. I would either trade for a nice corner, wait for June 1st cuts, or sign Cromartie just as with the LB position as well. ?

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He stays... for this year.

There's virtually no scenario I see where Monroe is a Raven in 2017. Even if he played 16 games and played well, I think we'd look to trade him. 

The only very, very, very outside possibility would be if Stanley just really struggles in his competition with Monroe, Monroe plays exceptionally well and plays a full season, and they decide Stanley needs a year at RT in 2017, in which case we'd let Wagner walk in FA.

I'd say the likelihood of all of that happening is extremely small.

So, realistically, 2016 will probably be the last time you see Monroe as a Raven.

I agree with 2017 I thought you were meaning come June 1st this season. Sorry for the misinterpretation. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

I agree with 2017 I thought you were meaning come June 1st this season. Sorry for the misinterpretation. 

It could be after June... wouldn't surprise me. I doubt it happens before August, since you want to see what the competition brings.

If by mid-August, the team has decided Stanley is the better option at LT, cutting Monroe makes plenty of sense. 

[WNC-Raven]

  24 minutes ago, WNC-Raven said:

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

The only 2 that I see that we should of kept (imo) is Osemelee and McPhee. The rest just didn't warrant the money they were asking.

No one said that we should have kept them, only that they are gone because of the cap and we fell into cap hell anyway because of Rice, Pitta, Webb, Ngata, ect.. But yeah, The 2 you listed would have been nice to keep.

[hen826957]

  4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree with 2017 I thought you were meaning come June 1st this season. Sorry for the misinterpretation. 

It could be after June... wouldn't surprise me. I doubt it happens before August, since you want to see what the competition brings.

If by mid-August, the team has decided Stanley is the better option at LT, cutting Monroe makes plenty of sense. 

It seem kind of sad of cutting Monroe due to the fact that he can't just stay healthy. Now we got a replacement for him in Stanley his job is now in jeopardy. Feel bad for him but it's a business and we need to use the money for something else.

[glen ferguson]

Ive been looking at other teams roster to see what teams are more likely to release a good cb and i have to say i think we should wait post june1. I see jacksonville , oakland and possible seattle all letting go of a good cb we could pick up. I also think we could make a trade with seattle , Munroe for Tye Smith, Simon or Jeremy Lane. In any event im confident we will get a cb to add to our group. Im also not ready to sleep on Canady, lets give our guys a fair chance to succeed. I think the addition of Leslie Frazier is going to do wonders for our db and our team in general.

[PurplenBlackFan2392]

  46 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Who is CO?

Company...

lmao wow

[fluffy201]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, with guys like Pitta and Monroe... we already know the answer. They'll likely be gone soon and the cap problems will go away. Joe's cap situations isn't going to dramatically increase any longer... it will go up, but the cap will rise annually by significantly more than Joe's deal will increase.

The cap problems were bigger issues in the last 2-3 years than they will be going forward. We only gave out one significant long term extension between the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

I agree that Joe's contract is leveled out and we are not haunted by Rice's contract or Pitta's much anymore... But I think Monroe stays on the team. I can see Pitta being the odd man out with our tight ends, but I do not think cutting Monroe puts our team in a better spot. When he plays he plays well. The cap savings we get for cutting him is not enough in my opinion to cut him especially with the list of other players out on the market currently. I think Monroe stays.

Agreed. We would have to find Monroe's replacement for 2.1 million dollars which isn't going to happen. We need depth at the position. I say Monroe doesn't go anywhere even if Stanley beats him out.

[PurplenBlackFan2392]

  2 hours ago, PurplenBlackFan2392 said:

Honestly I'd be ecstatic if we signed Cortland or Tillman they would bring toughness experience and real game to a thin CB position! Not to mention Ball hawking skills. We need all the ball-hawks we can find. Lattimore I think would be a good pick up at Lb. Also Clifton Brown doesn't really have confidence in our team IMO, I mean we are going to be a really good team overall with all these players coming back from injuries. Imagine if Flacco, Suggs, Smith and CO. all come back 100% and playing at the level the left off at, We Are going to be a Dangerous Team. We are always being seen as the underdogs/outcast so I'm used to as a Ravens Fan.

Finnegan will cause a lot of yellow on the field and Tillman is getting up to age (35) and he will make our team older.

I was simply picking from the FA he listed at DB as they to Me, Are the best bet. JMO.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, fluffy201 said:

Agreed. We would have to find Monroe's replacement for 2.1 million dollars which isn't going to happen. We need depth at the position. I say Monroe doesn't go anywhere even if Stanley beats him out.

That's not true. We already have Monroe's replacement on the roster already (Stanley). So that money could be spent on adding depth or a starter at another position.

Plus, once June 1 comes, that number goes from $2.1M to $6.5M, so much larger cap savings in 2016 if the cut is after June 1st, which it almost certainly would be.

[PurplenBlackFan2392]

  2 hours ago, PurplenBlackFan2392 said:

Imagine if Flacco, Suggs, Smith and CO. all come back 100% and playing at the level the left off at, We Are going to be a Dangerous Team.

Yep, we can imagine that - but we'd be fooling ourselves if we hoped for a season without injuries - or even without some key injuries... Something will happen... because something bad always happens, there's no full strength roster in the NFL during a season.

never said any of that lol I know this already. I'm not expecting our team to be 100% healthy All Season, I was simply stating if they came back at 100% to start the year we will be Dangerous

[PurplenBlackFan2392]

  1 hour ago, PurplenBlackFan2392 said:

  1 hour ago, GENE2407 said:

Hope there's a #1 and #3 cornerback sitting on the market. We didn't bother to draft any.

Tillman or Finnegan could be a number 3 corner, J.smith is Our #1 Corner already.

I would hate to see Finnegan in Baltimore. The guy's been proud to be an annoyance on the field - and not in the good way...

at the same time he does get under opposing players skin which would bowed well for us on the account of them getting calls against them but he also gets flagged to much. Tillman I still believe has game left even at 35.

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, PurplenBlackFan2392 said:

at the same time he does get under opposing players skin which would bowed well for us on the account of them getting calls against them but he also gets flagged to much. Tillman I still believe has game left even at 35.

1. Tillman is still recovering from a Torn ACL in January. He probably wouldn't even be available for camp or possibly even the preseason. 

2. He's 35. We are trying to get younger at corner, not older. Kind of hard to see the value added there.

3. He'd probably either just sign with Carolina or a SB contender. Ravens aren't in that discussion.

[sami]

  1 hour ago, WNC-Raven said:

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

The only 2 that I see that we should of kept (imo) is Osemelee and McPhee. The rest just didn't warrant the money they were asking.

Neither did Osemele or McPhee.

[eze17]

I don't see any names on the free agent CB list that make me say "we need to sign this guy"...if the price is right i'd say go ahead and sign one just to have some competition. My take would be to see who's there after the June 1st cuts, and go from there. I'm not looking for a #1 corner, but would like to see more competition, and at least more depth.

ILB is not as big a priority to me...adding a veteran can't hurt, but if we start the season with Brown or Orr I won't cry about it.

I'm also a little concerned about depth at safety. With Webb's injury history i'm not to comforted with Elam (injuries and lack of production) or Lewis ( just looked bad out there) as our back-ups.

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, budman said:

He did get our cap situation right. So there's that.

Actually he didn't. He's still rambling about Flacco's contract and how it handicapped our free agent options. 

 He also blames our cap on why we didn't retain KO.  We could have retained KO, but the FO didn't think he was worth that price. 

[WNC-Raven]

5 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Actually he didn't. He's still rambling about Flacco's contract and how it handicapped our free agent options. 

 He also blames our cap on why we didn't retain KO.  We could have retained KO, but the FO didn't think he was worth that price. 

Same old broken record from some of these analysts. I expect that nonsense from fans but when you make a living doing this you should be more knowledgeable.

Maybe RMCjacket should create a blog using facts to dispel all of the horrible analysts and commentators out there! I feel like some should be held accountable for what they say and when they say it. Makes you wonder, if you picked one at random and went back through 5 years of articles and tweets to fact check and score them, how close they were to being correct in any given year if that could eventually make them think before they speak. Perfect example is the news this week about Peyton Manning mentoring Tannenhill when in fact he only stopped by to have lunch at the facility one day. The world would also be a little better if ALL news quotes were actually backed by the sources name. 90% of those turn out to be false click bait. Too much to ask for?

[757RavensFan]

Barnwell also had this little gem in his AFC North off-season report card from 2 days ago.  He's just clueless!!

 

Quote

The Ravens aren't likely to spend a lot -- they have only $1.6 million or so in cap room before making any moves

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15500111/bill-barnwell-2016-offseason-report-cards-baltimore-ravens-cincinnati-bengals-cleveland-browns-pittsburgh-steelers

[hen826957]

  2 hours ago, budman said:

  2 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

The only 2 that I see that we should of kept (imo) is Osemelee and McPhee. The rest just didn't warrant the money they were asking.

Neither did Osemele or McPhee.

McPhee definitely deserve it. ?

[fluffy201]

  1 hour ago, fluffy201 said:

Agreed. We would have to find Monroe's replacement for 2.1 million dollars which isn't going to happen. We need depth at the position. I say Monroe doesn't go anywhere even if Stanley beats him out.

That's not true. We already have Monroe's replacement on the roster already (Stanley). So that money could be spent on adding depth or a starter at another position.

Plus, once June 1 comes, that number goes from $2.1M to $6.5M, so much larger cap savings in 2016 if the cut is after June 1st, which it almost certainly would be.

Well, while a June first cut does provide a lot of cap space, we still would need an upgrade from Hurst at back up tackle. And assuming Stanley is a baller, I still don't feel it would be wise to have Hurst as our back up given last years debacle. And with significant saving after June first we still carry that fixed cost into 2017 rather than just eating it now. While fixed cost really shouldn't be taken into much consideration, it is still a decision whether the Ravens want to spread that cost over time or deal with it now.

[Kinda_Dante]

6 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

McPhee definitely deserve it. ?

I love Mcphee as much the next guy but 40 mil?

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Barnwell also had this little gem in his AFC North off-season report card from 2 days ago.  He's just clueless!!

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15500111/bill-barnwell-2016-offseason-report-cards-baltimore-ravens-cincinnati-bengals-cleveland-browns-pittsburgh-steelers

The only excuse I can think of for this is he's pulling a cap space number from like literally before FA even opened, which was over two months ago. 

OR... he thinks the draft class was going to cost like $10-15M in cap space this season, which obviously isn't true either.

At the end of the day, its basically just one big "opinion" article, so when you write opinion articles, much like when people post on this site, you aren't in any way required to use factual information or even credible information to put your point out there. Your opinions obviously won't mean as much and people will stop taking your opinions seriously, but also doesn't appear some people care about that these days.

In my mind, that's quite irresponsible and lazy. Not something I'd want myself to be perceived as.