2016 Draft a Franchise: Discussion Thread

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, PuRock said:

It's not like those receivers were hot commodities while they sprinkled around the league.  Something to be said that perhaps Cam helped elevate their level of play.  They enjoyed playing with the guy and fed off his energy.  Does PFF have a grade for that?  Hell, even his blindside looked like a different player from the one we knew.   

PFF grades are all apparently independent of the quarterback play, but I could definitely attribute a VERY large part of it to their head coach, who is easily one of the best offensive minds in the game.

[BmoreBird22]

I probably would have taken Bortles at 5 if Luck weren't there.

Also very surprised Donald went after Mack and Miller. He's the best interior defensive lineman in the game and those are very hard to find.

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I probably would have taken Bortles at 5 if Luck weren't there.

Also very surprised Donald went after Mack and Miller. He's the best interior defensive lineman in the game and those are very hard to find.

Mack and Miller both do more overall however

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Mack and Miller both do more overall however

How...?

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

How...?

All around on holding the edge for pass and run D

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

All around on holding the edge for pass and run D

Of course they're going to hold the edge better (they do play outside and Donald does not), but Donald provides interior pressure and stops the run inside. Interior pressure is also a lot more valuable than pressure off the edge.

[ludy51]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Of course they're going to hold the edge better (they do play outside and Donald does not), but Donald provides interior pressure and stops the run inside. Interior pressure is also a lot more valuable than pressure off the edge.

Sure, but you could easily get good interior guys in the early to middle rounds while edge guys like Mack and Miller are few and far between

And Mack is the only player in history (as far as I know) to get all-pro at two separate positions. That's almost impossible to pass up.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Sure, but you could easily get good interior guys in the early to middle rounds while edge guys like Mack and Miller are few and far between

And Mack is the only player in history (as far as I know) to get all-pro at two separate positions. That's almost impossible to pass up.

Pretty sure Watt has gotten it at DT and DE, but I could be wrong. 

If you're talking interior play, there's maybe three or four guys outside of Donald (not including Watt) that come close to his play, but there are many guys that I would feel comfortable playing at OLB/DE and expecting them to put up good pass rushing numbers with solid run defense.

[ludy51]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Pretty sure Watt has gotten it at DT and DE, but I could be wrong. 

If you're talking interior play, there's maybe three or four guys outside of Donald (not including Watt) that come close to his play, but there are many guys that I would feel comfortable playing at OLB/DE and expecting them to put up good pass rushing numbers with solid run defense.

'spose it doesn't even really matter now, given that Watt Mack Donald and Miller have been drafted. Really comes down to who you think fits your team best. whether you want excellent edge or interior pressure.

[52520Andrew]

25 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

Too bad he has to go to a crap team here  

Even on a bad team, Donald can put a team with a bad O-line on it's knees. 

16 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I probably would have taken Bortles at 5 if Luck weren't there.

Also very surprised Donald went after Mack and Miller. He's the best interior defensive lineman in the game and those are very hard to find.

Yeah I agree with interior pass rush being more important and I think Donald brings a lot there. Donald brings a ton to the run game as well disrupting tons of plays and makes everyone around him better. Was tempted to go QB but it is a weird position this year with a lot of older vs. unproven guys. Figure I will play it safe and get a top defensive player.

1 hour ago, CalvinSmoke said:

real sad about Donald, probabaly the most disruptive force in the league in the past two years.

Sorry but not sorry but sorry #conflicted

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

Yep, I'll be picking 30th.  Please leave me some bread crumbs...

 

2 hours ago, PuRock said:

Look at this way, you'll get two top non-QB (and pass rusher) players.  You'll have to roll the dice on young project QB or take a veteran stop-gap.  

Yeah I remember my first year picking at 32 when I got blank and blank at CB. I ended up with blank at QB but teams were not passing on me so it kinda leveled the playing field. 

[ludy51]

So the two people in my division who have picked both went with QB's

[PuRock]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

PFF grades are all apparently independent of the quarterback play, but I could definitely attribute a VERY large part of it to their head coach, who is easily one of the best offensive minds in the game.

Wasn't Rivera always a defensive genius?  That's where he earned his stripes.  He didn't start working offensively as a head coach until Cam Newton came around.  Having a dynamic player who can greatly effect both the run game and pass game from a single position will obviously open up what you can do offensively.  Rivera almost lost his job in 2013 before he started getting more aggressive when he took the reigns off his young QB.  And it paid off because the player executed at a high level.  You are so willing to praise everyone except Newton its blinding.  

Edited May 10, 2016 by PuRock

[ludy51]

I wonder how much the people will let the division aspect change their selections

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

I wonder how much the people will let the division aspect change their selections

I wonder that as well.  If it does, I suppose it wouldn't come into play until a a bit later when everyone has a more clear board.

[regz1997]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Well, he got them over 3,500 total yards and ranked in the top ten QBs on PFF. I think he's definitely capable of being a long term starter in the NFL.

Better than RG3 that's for sure 

[ludy51]

2 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Better than RG3 that's for sure 

HAH. I remember that from last year

[VeiledPsychosis]

52 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Pretty sure Watt has gotten it at DT and DE, but I could be wrong. 

Mack is the only one ever to get first team all pro at two positions, Watt has gotten a 1st team and 2nd team nod before but never two first team

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, PuRock said:

Wasn't Rivera always a defensive genius?  That's where he earned his stripes.  He didn't start working offensively as a head coach until Cam Newton came around.  Having a great player who can greatly effect both the run game and pass game from a single position will obviously open up what you can do offensively.  Rivera almost lost his job in 2013 before he started getting more aggressive when he took the reigns off his young QB.  And it paid off because the player executed at a high level.  You are so willing to praise everyone except Newton its blinding.  

Rivera was a defensive coach, but literally every single time I heard about him this year it was always how, "He's one of the great offensive minds in the game."  It's entirely possible they were referring to his tendency to go for it and make that calculated risk, but I couldn't say with certain conviction.

And I'm not slamming Newton in any, way, shape or form, now am I? I haven't said a bad word and I've given him praise. However, I'm also simply pointing out he didn't have peanuts to work with 

Edited May 10, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[ludy51]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Rivera was a defensive coach, but literally every single time I heard about him this year it was always how, "He's one of the great offensive minds in the game."  

And I'm not slamming Newton in any, way, shape or form, now am I? I haven't said a bad word and I've given him praise. However, I'm also simply pointing out he didn't have peanuts to work with 

You don't understand. You haven't said Newton is the best, most mature player that has ever played, and that he was playing with the talent equivalent of him and 10 charlie browns 

[regz1997]

23 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

So the two people in my division who have picked both went with QB's

Yeah I'm in a division with both Andrew Luck and Vonn Miller (insert recreational cry here)

[RavensFanMania]

Wondered how long it would take for Antonio Brown to be drafted

[RavensFanMania]

23 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Yeah I'm in a division with both Andrew Luck and Vonn Miller (insert recreational cry here)

I picked Von Miller 23rd last year

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

You don't understand. You haven't said Newton is the best, most mature player that has ever played, and that he was playing with the talent equivalent of him and 10 charlie browns 

Yeah, I mean, I've admitted that he's a very dynamic talent and that his legs clearly helped his two tackles, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like he was throwing to people of my caliber. 

[PuRock]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Rivera was a defensive coach, but literally every single time I heard about him this year it was always how, "He's one of the great offensive minds in the game."  

And I'm not slamming Newton in any, way, shape or form, now am I? I haven't said a bad word and I've given him praise. However, I'm also simply pointing out he didn't have peanuts to work with 

Fair enough, I agree that he's had some players around him.  He's not playing with a bunch of bottom-feeding scrubs.  But most competent teams (outside of the Browns) typically have some playmakers and guys who can step up and play role parts. Obviously they had an elite option.      

1 hour ago, ludy51 said:

You don't understand. You haven't said Newton is the best, most mature player that has ever played, and that he was playing with the talent equivalent of him and 10 charlie browns 

Hey now, Charlie Brown might actually be able to play if Lucy afforded him the chance.  

Edited May 10, 2016 by PuRock

[regz1997]

17 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Wondered how long it would take for Antonio Brown to be drafted

Brown fell forever last year

[usmccharles]

Luke Kuechly it is for me....i wanted to go so many different ways. I wanted to be different and go RB, but just couldnt do it. 

[regz1997]

Wow. My board is toast and I hate you all

[Archeearl92]

Just now, regz1997 said:

Wow. My board is toast and I hate you all

I feel you ...

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Wow. My board is toast and I hate you all

Your welcome....

Who did you want?