Starting middle LB next to CJ. Mosley...

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think thats why theyre trying to find more of a safety hybrid to drop down and play the run or cover TEs. Lewis, Brooks, Elam, Levine, possibly Weddle, Onwuasor could be an option for that.... and then of course theres the other LBs in Orr, Brown and McLellan. I think Mosley is fine at covering TEs on more of the crossing and underneath stuff. I think he struggles more on the deep and down the seam type stuff when he has to turn and run with a guy and make a play with his back to the QB.

I think I said this before, but I remember Mosley struggling a lot with splitting out wide on fast backs like Duke Johnson and people freaking out because of that.

Wasn't spectacular in coverage, but like you said, when he's allowed to keep his face to the quarterback, he's been really solid.

[The Raven]

The more I think about it - and the more I rewatch his tape - the more I love Correa at ILB, at least in base formations. Good size and athleticism for it. He does offer pass rushing ability, obviously, so I'd like to see him on the edge on third down, but we have quite a few guys that can fill that role. I'd really like to see him develop at ILB unless need dictates that we use him at OLB. What he offers at ILB - versatility, ability, and athleticism - will be valuable. Not to mention he's a fiery, high motor guy. I like him at ILB.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

The more I think about it - and the more I rewatch his tape - the more I love Correa at ILB, at least in base formations. Good size and athleticism for it. He does offer pass rushing ability, obviously, so I'd like to see him on the edge on third down, but we have quite a few guys that can fill that role. I'd really like to see him develop at ILB unless need dictates that we use him at OLB. What he offers at ILB - versatility, ability, and athleticism - will be valuable. Not to mention he's a fiery, high motor guy. I like him at ILB.

I'm a Correa fan as much as the next guy but we do, at least in the future need to find a full time edge rusher. Does anyone else get the vibe from him that his entire career will be a pernell Mcphee type one. Not as a player. but how we scheme him(can put him either at OLB or another position)?

I do think we might go trade for an ILB. I don't trust Brown, and Orr is more of a rotational player. I could see Correa as a good coverage backer. 

I like Judon but I won't count on him next year. 

[The Raven]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm a Correa fan as much as the next guy but we do, at least in the future need to find a full time edge rusher. Does anyone else get the vibe from him that his entire career will be a pernell Mcphee type one. Not as a player. but how we scheme him(can put him either at OLB or another position)?

I do think we might go trade for an ILB. I don't trust Brown, and Orr is more of a rotational player. I could see Correa as a good coverage backer. 

I like Judon but I won't count on him next year. 

I mean, if we use Correa like the Broncos do Von Miller, he'll still be in that edge rusher role. It's just a matter of how often.

It also does depend on the progression of Judon and Kaufusi. That Ochi guy could figure into this situation, too. The better Ochi does, the more we'll see Correa at ILB. I think Ochi is a contender to make the roster.

There are a lot of players that figure into the edge rusher role. We'll see how they pan out. How they pan out will determine whether Correa spends more time inside or outside.

[harfordravenfan]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm a Correa fan as much as the next guy but we do, at least in the future need to find a full time edge rusher. Does anyone else get the vibe from him that his entire career will be a pernell Mcphee type one. Not as a player. but how we scheme him(can put him either at OLB or another position)?

I do think we might go trade for an ILB. I don't trust Brown, and Orr is more of a rotational player. I could see Correa as a good coverage backer. 

I like Judon but I won't count on him next year. 

Pre-draft, I was thinking Z Smith would play obvious run downs and keep doom fresh to do what he does best. After the draft I thought correa would and Z Smith would be the mcphee guy. Now I'm not so sure.

[rmw10]

I think Correa possibly playing ILB is a good thing.  He'd still see time as a rusher in a situational role, which is probably all he was slated for anyways with Suggs, Dumervil, and ZDS around.  Playing ILB would allow him to get on the field more.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, The Raven said:

I mean, if we use Correa like the Broncos do Von Miller, he'll still be in that edge rusher role. It's just a matter of how often.

It also does depend on the progression of Judon and Kaufusi. That Ochi guy could figure into this situation, too. The better Ochi does, the more we'll see Correa at ILB. I think Ochi is a contender to make the roster.

There are a lot of players that figure into the edge rusher role. We'll see how they pan out. How they pan out will determine whether Correa spends more time inside or outside.

Look out, someone will take it the wrong way and say that "you said that he is the next Von Miller". I get it lol. 

 

The way I see it. If your biggest weakness in the front 7 is a MLB, and you already have a very good one in CJ, you'll be fine. I love the bolstering of the front 7, and I think that if Harbaugh thinks that we have the solution on the roster we won't do anything. I may disagree with him but he's the coach, not me. 

 

I like Kaufausi... A lot. I think he's a day one guy. But is he really an edge guy? He has certain qualities of one. I get what you're saying with Correa. But if we use him in that role, he better be ready for the starting job. 

 

I like the guy too. But color me skeptical

[The Raven]

20 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Look out, someone will take it the wrong way and say that "you said that he is the next Von Miller". I get it lol. 

 

The way I see it. If your biggest weakness in the front 7 is a MLB, and you already have a very good one in CJ, you'll be fine. I love the bolstering of the front 7, and I think that if Harbaugh thinks that we have the solution on the roster we won't do anything. I may disagree with him but he's the coach, not me. 

 

I like Kaufausi... A lot. I think he's a day one guy. But is he really an edge guy? He has certain qualities of one. I get what you're saying with Correa. But if we use him in that role, he better be ready for the starting job. 

 

I like the guy too. But color me skeptical

I like Kaufusi on the edge. I'm not saying he's the next JJ Watt but Kaufusi has similar athletic ability and measurables to Watt. 

Watt can work the edge as well as anybody, even if he isn't there every snap.

In my view, tackles in the NFL are getting more and more finesse. They struggle more with power rushers. Generally, I don't think they're as strong or effective against power rushers, especially athletic power rushers like Watt and... Kaufusi. He  has a unique blend of size, power, and athleticism that could suit him to the outside. Not full time, but often. A front four of Kaufusi, Suggs/Doom, Jernigan, and Willie Henry could be disruptive.

 

[Winchester]

11 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I like Kaufusi on the edge. I'm not saying he's the next JJ Watt but Kaufusi has similar athletic ability and measurables to Watt. 

Watt can work the edge as well as anybody, even if he isn't there every snap.

In my view, tackles in the NFL are getting more and more finesse. They struggle more with power rushers. Generally, I don't think they're as strong or effective against power rushers, especially athletic power rushers like Watt and... Kaufusi. He  has a unique blend of size, power, and athleticism that could suit him to the outside. Not full time, but often. A front four of Kaufusi, Suggs/Doom, Jernigan, and Willie Henry could be disruptive.

 

Agree, Totally!! Kufusi is not an interior player. He is best served a 4-3 defensive end and 3-4 olb. For that role he needs to cut 16-20 lbs of excess weight and tack on 10-12 lbs of muscle and play at a leaner faster more explosive yet stronger 280lbs. He will be a freak that stresses tackles similar to watt. He will be a 280 lb edge rusher with power and freakish athleticism. Tackles are more finesse. Tackles needing more power are being drafted #2 and overall. A big strong edge rusher with unusual athleticism like kufusi will seriously stress tackles!! Kufusi could be a 280lbs and play at 4.75 speed while putting up 30 reps and a 34" vertical. He already bends well and plays with advance technique. Ravens need a freakish edge rusher like what Kufusi could be. Most nfl tackles could not contend with that. Kufusi Jernigan Henry and Dumervil would be very disruptive.

[The Raven]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

Agree, Totally!! Kufusi is not an interior player. He is best served a 4-3 defensive end and 3-4 olb. For that role he needs to cut 16-20 lbs of excess weight and tack on 10-12 lbs of muscle and play at a leaner faster more explosive yet stronger 280lbs. He will be a freak that stresses tackles similar to watt. He will be a 280 lb edge rusher with power and freakish athleticism. Tackles are more finesse. Tackles needing more power are being drafted #2 and overall. A big strong edge rusher with unusual athleticism like kufusi will seriously stress tackles!! Kufusi could be a 280lbs and play at 4.75 speed while putting up 30 reps and a 34" vertical. He already bends well and plays with advance technique. Ravens need a freakish edge rusher like what Kufusi could be. Most nfl tackles could not contend with that. Kufusi Jernigan Henry and Dumervil would be very disruptive.

 

The Kaufusi OLB experiment in college failed, didn't it? Doubt we drafted him with OLB in mind

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

I like Kaufusi on the edge. I'm not saying he's the next JJ Watt but Kaufusi has similar athletic ability and measurables to Watt. 

Watt can work the edge as well as anybody, even if he isn't there every snap.

In my view, tackles in the NFL are getting more and more finesse. They struggle more with power rushers. Generally, I don't think they're as strong or effective against power rushers, especially athletic power rushers like Watt and... Kaufusi. He  has a unique blend of size, power, and athleticism that could suit him to the outside. Not full time, but often. A front four of Kaufusi, Suggs/Doom, Jernigan, and Willie Henry could be disruptive.

 

A sense of humor lol. I actually agree with you 100% And if there's any position we usually develop well it dline. Very happy with that. 

 

Correa, Brown. Not very good from me.. But I could see both getting extensive playing time. 4-3 OLB that would work. 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

 

The Kaufusi OLB experiment in college failed, didn't it? Doubt we drafted him with OLB in mind

Failed in college. Like I said he needs to reshape his body a little for the edge. Like drop 16-20 lbs carefully without losing any muscle or power. And tack on a little muscle. However I do agree 4-3 defensive end is his best position by far.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, harfordravenfan said:

Pre-draft, I was thinking Z Smith would play obvious run downs and keep doom fresh to do what he does best. After the draft I thought correa would and Z Smith would be the mcphee guy. Now I'm not so sure.

I could see Kaufusi playing the McPhee role. Hes big and technical enough to rush from the interior, and athletic enough to rush from either a 3-4 DE or OLB spot when needed. I think what we'll eventually see is Suggs, Z, Mosley and Correa/Brown/Orr/McLellan with Urban, Williams, and Jernigan as our base.

Correa will be used to rotate in at both ILB and OLB at times.... and definitely come in as an OLB in 4-3 looks. Doom comes in for Z on obvious passing downs, and I can see Kaufusi coming in for Urban or Williams on passing downs. 

Our depth and versatility is absolutely sick though because Urban has some pass rush ability, Jernigan does, Henry does, Kaufusi does, Suggs/Doom/Z all do, Correa/Judon/Ochi all do... Correa, Mosley and Brown can all rush from the 4-3 LB spots or the 3-4 ILB spots as well.

I'd love to see a jail break type blitz... just send the house with 6-7 of those guys out there.

[52liveforever]

anybody at training camp have an assessment of the MLB battle?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, 52liveforever said:

anybody at training camp have an assessment of the MLB battle?

It was said that Correa got a majority of the snaps at ILB next to Mosley.

I dont know who the pair was with the 2nd team, whether Orr/McLellan or Orr/Brown.

Levine also got some reps as an in-the-box safety/LB hybrid. This ones gonna be interested and likely constantly evolving. We may not see one permanent guy next to Mosley, yet rather a rotating cast of Correa, Orr, Levine, and Brown/McLellan depending on the situation and what we need at the position (cover a TE, cover a zone, cover a RB, slot WR, play the run, A gap blitz.. etc). Each guy has his own unique skill set and brings a different strength to the position.

But right now it looks like Correa is the leader in the club house to be the "starter."

[January J]

Orr.

[January J]

Levine would be interesting . Heard he was getting some looks there. Would be good for our linebacker coverage struggles ..

[bravensfan52]

I hope it's not KC cause we need pass rushers but if he can play inside on 1 and 2 with bring the heat from inside and outside I'll be more than happy with him being situational 

[Tiznut]

2 minutes ago, bravensfan52 said:

I hope it's not KC cause we need pass rushers but if he can play inside on 1 and 2 with bring the heat from inside and outside I'll be more than happy with him being situational 

Think the idea is to get the best players and most rushers on the field at one time. If he's doing awesome at rushing and we can find a way to get him, Z, Suggs and doom on the field at the same time I'm all for it. 

[Jacquouille]

Excellent read about KC as a ILB:

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/07/31/camp-notes/correa-motion-wallace-redemption/

[Ravenseconbeast]

How is Arthur Brown top of the list in polls next to CJ Mosley?

Arthur can't even be a depth guy @ ILB position.

Zach Orr seems most likely to be the guy.  Then Mcllelan followed by our hybrid pass rusher KC

Edited August 1, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[Cillmatic]

Arthur Brown's getting cut people, he's just not good enough, we have three middle linebackers they look better than him.

[rmw10]

9 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Arthur Brown's getting cut people, he's just not good enough, we have three middle linebackers they look better than him.

Seems like it'll be the case this year.  With Correa and Orr getting a majority of the snaps and Levine seemingly an option in certain situations, the numbers do not play out in his favor.  McClellan, even though he's playing a little more OLB in camp so far, won't lose a job to Brown.  If they want an extra guy at ILB, I'd even think they'd be inclined to go with the newly signed Kavell Conner.

[Tiznut]

12 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

How is Arthur Brown top of the list in polls next to CJ Mosley?

Arthur can't even be a depth guy @ ILB position.

Zach Orr seems most likely to be the guy.  Then Mcllelan followed by our hybrid pass rusher KC

He's probably at the top because people are voting for him saying that they hoped he improved enough to start. 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

He's probably at the top because people are voting for him saying that they hoped he improved enough to start. 

The poll was also started 3 months ago, before anyone even knew Correa was a legitimate possibility.

[rossihunter2]

i definitely voted for brown when this poll first turned up just out of hope that he could finally make the leap and win the starting job - but obviously that doesn't look like its even a remote possibility - it looks like he isnt even earning any rotational reps - when you're missing a starting ILB and a couple of safeties are noticeably getting reps ahead of you then it looks like the answer to the question who will start is "anyone but arthur brown"

[Tiznut]

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i definitely voted for brown when this poll first turned up just out of hope that he could finally make the leap and win the starting job - but obviously that doesn't look like its even a remote possibility - it looks like he isnt even earning any rotational reps - when you're missing a starting ILB and a couple of safeties are noticeably getting reps ahead of you then it looks like the answer to the question who will start is "anyone but arthur brown"

Man I didn't even think of the fact that brown is getting such few reps with the 1s and 2s till now. How depressing 

[ellicottraven]

It seems to me that Zack Orr and Correa will split duties next to Mosley. And that is fabulous as far as I'm concerned. Believe me, if the coaches think they're not up to playing in the NFL and playing Ravens football or are even over matched on the field, we'll be signing somebody new. So far, they seem to be doing great and I'm rooting for them to succeed.

[trevorsteadman]

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

It seems to me that Zack Orr and Correa will split duties next to Mosley. And that is fabulous as far as I'm concerned. Believe me, if the coaches think they're not up to playing in the NFL and playing Ravens football or are even over matched on the field, we'll be signing somebody new. So far, they seem to be doing great and I'm rooting for them to succeed.

I think they will use Orr more in run situations and Correa in passing situations. I think Correa is better in coverage and the pass rush department. Sounds like even out of the two Correa is getting more snaps but it is nice to have another solid inside linebacker to rotate in and out. Mosley is one of the best if not the best run stopping inside linebackers in the league and we may have found his new complement for years to come.

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think they will use Orr more in run situations and Correa in passing situations. I think Correa is better in coverage and the pass rush department. Sounds like even out of the two Correa is getting more snaps but it is nice to have another solid inside linebacker to rotate in and out. Mosley is one of the best if not the best run stopping inside linebackers in the league and we may have found his new complement for years to come.

i'd argue that orr is more likely to play passing downs because of his role last year - we know that the ravens defense stepped up on third down when he came on the field to replace daryl smith at the end of the season - it would suggest orr is fairly decent in coverage