Starting middle LB next to CJ. Mosley...

[GrimCoconut]

48 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea I have completely undervalued McClellan and what does for this team. He brings a ton of versatility to the defense and the Ravens love that. He's a strong ST guy and might even be our ST Ace. He was used to help set the edge once Suggs went down and I definitely he'll be used to help fill in for Upshaw along with Correa. I just never really liked McClellan and i have no reason why lol. 

I didn't realize he was signed this offseason and because of that my i've instantly changed my opinion of how the ILB position will play out. There's a part of me that really wants to see Brown make good on the promise of a 2nd round pick, but the reality is he just really hasn't been apart of the Ravens plans. Orr may just be used in the fashion many have envisioned Brown being used. He's not as athletic as Brown but he definitely has the sideline to sideline fast and short area quickness to be used as a 3 down backer. He can attack the LOS as a blitzer and there wouldn't be much need to replace him with Brown other then just wanting Brown to be involved. Brown may very well be replaced by another UDFA with coverage ability who can contribute on ST. 

With McClellan I would like to see him move back to ILB compete with Orr because I think the Ravens have some young guys who can really make this team at the OLB position and with Suggs nor Doom not being cut options imo, that position will be crowded. won't go into that position here, but maybe I'll create a OLB thread because I'm very intrigued by the young talent at that position. 

I think McClellan will move inside and outside depending on the situation. I think we will want to use him to set the edge, but I think he will be best inside and I think that's where we want him as well. The nice thing is he can do both, so there's always that versatility in his cap. Orr will certainly be the other guy, and I think Brown could make the team but his chances are small now. I think he may very well be cut or traded if someone wants to take him off our hands to avoid subjecting him to waivers--for what reason, I don't know. I do think we will hoard OLB talent this year. Ochi and Judon are both guys I am very interested in seeing how they do in camp. 

22 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Here’s McClennan’s contract. I think if they cut him they’ll have dead money in the amount of 600K and save 500K in cap savings. So, who knows who’ll be on the final roster. However, I don’t see us cutting him either not because we signed him to a 3 yr deal, but because he’s extremely versatile and can play inside LB, outside LB and special teams.

Here's the deal: it's a catch-22 here, because yes, we won't cut him because we signed him to a 3-year deal, which he received because of his versatility and ST prowess. So whether you like my rationale or not I guess it's up to you, but the only time I recall us making such a move  is the Michael Huff move. This would be an extension of one of our own guys, and I don't remember us ever cutting someone to whom we just gave a multi-year deal that same offseason. We've done it in subsequent offseasons, such as Mason and someone else (I forget atm), but the precedent is we've never done this as far as I can recall with our own free agents we extended. Whether you want to debate the semantics of why we never cut them doesn't matter because I doubt we would've re-signed him if we didn't think he'd contribute in some way. 

[Passepartout]

You sign a guy to make the whole team better. And to push it all the way you can to the Super Bowl! Whether it is offense or defense. Ochi and Judon really have potential growing.

[Ravensfan23]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think McClellan will move inside and outside depending on the situation. I think we will want to use him to set the edge, but I think he will be best inside and I think that's where we want him as well. The nice thing is he can do both, so there's always that versatility in his cap. Orr will certainly be the other guy, and I think Brown could make the team but his chances are small now. I think he may very well be cut or traded if someone wants to take him off our hands to avoid subjecting him to waivers--for what reason, I don't know. I do think we will hoard OLB talent this year. Ochi and Judon are both guys I am very interested in seeing how they do in camp. 

Here's the deal: it's a catch-22 here, because yes, we won't cut him because we signed him to a 3-year deal, which he received because of his versatility and ST prowess. So whether you like my rationale or not I guess it's up to you, but the only time I recall us making such a move  is the Michael Huff move. This would be an extension of one of our own guys, and I don't remember us ever cutting someone to whom we just gave a multi-year deal that same offseason. We've done it in subsequent offseasons, such as Mason and someone else (I forget atm), but the precedent is we've never done this as far as I can recall with our own free agents we extended. Whether you want to debate the semantics of why we never cut them doesn't matter because I doubt we would've re-signed him if we didn't think he'd contribute in some way. 

Brown will definitely have to fight because there are too many talented young LBs who have been added to this team over the last 2 years and Brown's only value has been on ST. I wouldn't even say his value on ST has been great.

in terms of OLB you have Ochi, Judon, Correa and Smith who I can see as the future of the position starting next season. The question becomes can Judon and Correa do a good enough job setting the edge this year so McClellan doesn't have to be used in that role. I can definitely see McClellan being used in the Upshaw role early on, but would expect either Correa or Judon, start to feel that role. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

On 5/13/2016 at 4:38 PM, WpgRaven said:

Obviously he doesnt have the ideal weight or height but if Terrance Brooks added 15 pounds he would make an intriguing hybrid linebacker. Speed, coverage , decent tackling.... i suspect he might not last the season though.

Again, why not Arthur Brown as a Hybrid backer? Why did we even waste a 2nd rd pick, we at least should see what he can do next to CJ on passing downs. I mean seriously, he has been studying and in the system for several years now, this is a mystery to me that we cant use his speed to our advantage in this pass happy league. You would have thought at least somebody would have leaked the reason why he's not in there by now. At least with Elam,we saw for ourselves what we had. With AB, not so much.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Again, why not Arthur Brown as a Hybrid backer? Why did we even waste a 2nd rd pick, we at least should see what he can do next to CJ on passing downs. I mean seriously, he has been studying and in the system for several years now, this is a mystery to me that we cant use his speed to our advantage in this pass happy league. You would have thought at least somebody would have leaked the reason why he's not in there by now. At least with Elam,we saw for ourselves what we had. With AB, not so much.

Why not?  I mean, the guy has had 3 years to prove he was worthy of getting on the field and has rarely done so.  Just because we haven't seen what he can/cannot do doesn't mean the team hasn't.  They see him everyday in practice.  They know what they have in him.  Obviously it hasn't been enough to get on the field.  Now, Harbaugh has said that Brown seems ready this year, but it remains to be seen if that's coaches talk or a legitimate change in him.  This is not a case of us just keeping him off the field for the hell of it.  It's a case of Brown not proving he's ready - it's long been stated that he's struggled with the mental part of the game.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Why not?  I mean, the guy has had 3 years to prove he was worthy of getting on the field and has rarely done so.  Just because we haven't seen what he can/cannot do doesn't mean the team hasn't.  They see him everyday in practice.  They know what they have in him.  Obviously it hasn't been enough to get on the field.  Now, Harbaugh has said that Brown seems ready this year, but it remains to be seen if that's coaches talk or a legitimate change in him.  This is not a case of us just keeping him off the field for the hell of it.  It's a case of Brown not proving he's ready - it's long been stated that he's struggled with the mental part of the game.

So he is not in Harbs "doghouse"? Pretty mysterious situation if you ask me

[Ravensfan23]

2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

So he is not in Harbs "doghouse"? Pretty mysterious situation if you ask me

What's mysterious about it? The guy was given a shot to be a starting ILB for this team, He couldn't make it happen. You don't just continue to throw someone on the field just because he's a high pick or a fan favorite. There are 2 UDFA ILBers on this team that continue to outplay Brown. So you just put Brown over them because he's a high pick and fan favorite? No

And can we please stop with the doghouse already? If the doghouse does exist, no one was deeper in it then Timmy to start last season and he bust his butt to earn his starting job back. Brown just hasn't performed well enough to convince coaches he can contribute on this team in any thing more then ST. Pretty clear situation if you ask me. 

Also think about this. There has been a handful of coaches who have moved on from the Ravens in the last couple years, one being a LBs coach. If Brown is this awesome talent that is being misused by the Ravens, why hasn't someone come calling for a trade? I mean even Gino was traded to the Broncos because Kubes and/or Dennison saw something in him despite his terrible play. Now of course we really wouldn't know if someone has called or not, but I would think the Ravens wouldn't hesitate to get something out of a 2nd round pick who is buried on your depth chart, better then just releasing him which might just happen this season. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

What's mysterious about it? The guy was given a shot to be a starting ILB for this team, He couldn't make it happen. You don't just continue to throw someone on the field just because he's a high pick or a fan favorite. There are 2 UDFA ILBers on this team that continue to outplay Brown. So you just put Brown over them because he's a high pick and fan favorite? No

And can we please stop with the doghouse already? If the doghouse does exist, no one was deeper in it then Timmy to start last season and he bust his butt to earn his starting job back. Brown just hasn't performed well enough to convince coaches he can contribute on this team in any thing more then ST. Pretty clear situation if you ask me. 

Also think about this. There has been a handful of coaches who have moved on from the Ravens in the last couple years, one being a LBs coach. If Brown is this awesome talent that is being misused by the Ravens, why hasn't someone come calling for a trade? I mean even Gino was traded to the Broncos because Kubes and/or Dennison saw something in him despite his terrible play. Now of course we really wouldn't know if someone has called or not, but I would think the Ravens wouldn't hesitate to get something out of a 2nd round pick who is buried on your depth chart, better then just releasing him which might just happen this season. 

Thanks for handling this so I didn't have to lol

[Ravensfan23]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Thanks for handling this so I didn't have to lol

Not a problem. I can understand the buzz around hoping Brown performs this year. I got swept up in the Brown buzz last season with Marlon so I know what it's like to feel like a guy is being misused or under utilized only to realize that the guy just isn't as good as you hoped he'd be. For whatever reason. 

Just like Marlon getting beat out by the more steady and consistent Aiken, Arthur will probably be beat out by Orr who seems to be more steady and consistent. 

[jazz1988]

13 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not a problem. I can understand the buzz around hoping Brown performs this year. I got swept up in the Brown buzz last season with Marlon so I know what it's like to feel like a guy is being misused or under utilized only to realize that the guy just isn't as good as you hoped he'd be. For whatever reason. 

Just like Marlon getting beat out by the more steady and consistent Aiken, Arthur will probably be beat out by Orr who seems to be more steady and consistent. 

I think Aiken and Brown situation is different than Brown and Orr. Arthur Brown a second  round pick that The Ravens traded up for while Zach Orr was a undrafted  rookie that was signed by The Ravens. I'm sure both still have to prove themselves but who you think feels more pressure to do so especially since that person wasn't drafted?

I can see Arthur Brown feeling a sense of entitlement  or believing he's  due  a starting spot just base off his draft status. I can also see his confidence being shot after witnessing The Ravens re-signing Daryl Smith along with drafting CJ Mosley high in the first round  . 

Orr confidence on the other hand wouldn't be fazed like Brown becuase he already in a I have to prove myself mode especially since he wasn't drafted in the first place which may make him  more determined than Brown.Orr is a better special teamer than Brown as well and we all know if you want to impress Harbaugh then doing it on special teams is the way to go. 

 

[Ravensfan23]

31 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Aiken and Brown situation is different than Brown and Orr. Arthur Brown a second  round pick that The Ravens traded up for while Zach Orr was a undrafted  rookie that was signed by The Ravens. I'm sure both still have to prove themselves but who you think feels more pressure to do so especially since that person wasn't drafted?

I can see Arthur Brown feeling a sense of entitlement  or believing he's  due  a starting spot just base off his draft status. I can also see his confidence being shot after witnessing The Ravens re-signing Daryl Smith along with drafting CJ Mosley high in the first round  . 

Orr confidence on the other hand wouldn't be fazed like Brown becuase he already in a I have to prove myself mode especially since he wasn't drafted in the first place which may make him  more determined than Brown.Orr is a better special teamer than Brown as well and we all know if you want to impress Harbaugh then doing it on special teams is the way to go. 

 

Imo it doesn't really matter what factors lead to the ultimate conclusion. It doesn't matter what Browns mindset was/is. He needed to prove himself and he hasn't thus far. Doesn't stop us fans or the organization from wanting to see him succeed, but the fact is Brown has to be the guy who proves himself. 

Yes the situation is different but it's similar in a lot of ways too. You can say that after his impressive rookie year Marlon got a big head because of the praise he was getting only to be deflated by the arrival of Smitty. At the end of the day guys have to perform well or they won't play. That's all I'm saying.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Like everyone says the NFL is a business and if your not performing your not on a roster. Brown for whatever reason cant crack the line-up we got a UDFA in Ochi who I would personally like to see get on the field and given a chance to crack the line-up and there are a few UDFA  I think can make a difference being on the roster if given a real chance. We know that Harbaugh gives the guys a real chance to compete. I guess what I am saying is I hope the UDFA's show enough to make the final cut and guys like Brown and Elam get cut instead of watching something happen like with Harrison who started with the Ravens then got cut and went to the Steelers only to be a thorn in our side on game day. Just my opinion.

[Jacquouille]

2 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Like everyone says the NFL is a business and if your not performing your not on a roster. Brown for whatever reason cant crack the line-up we got a UDFA in Ochi who I would personally like to see get on the field and given a chance to crack the line-up and there are a few UDFA  I think can make a difference being on the roster if given a real chance. We know that Harbaugh gives the guys a real chance to compete. I guess what I am saying is I hope the UDFA's show enough to make the final cut and guys like Brown and Elam get cut instead of watching something happen like with Harrison who started with the Ravens then got cut and went to the Steelers only to be a thorn in our side on game day. Just my opinion.

Fair enough. There are some really interesting UDFA this year (compared to last year) and Ochi, some OL and/or ILB may deserve a chance.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Fair enough. There are some really interesting UDFA this year (compared to last year) and Ochi, some OL and/or ILB may deserve a chance.

I just would like to see open competition and best guy makes it of course but if the younger guys are just as good or better then get some new faces on the roster.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Again, why not Arthur Brown as a Hybrid backer? Why did we even waste a 2nd rd pick, we at least should see what he can do next to CJ on passing downs. I mean seriously, he has been studying and in the system for several years now, this is a mystery to me that we cant use his speed to our advantage in this pass happy league. You would have thought at least somebody would have leaked the reason why he's not in there by now. At least with Elam,we saw for ourselves what we had. With AB, not so much.

Speed doesn't help if you don't have the awareness and anticipation for coverage. That speed has helped him become a very good blitzing specialist but He's straight up bad in coverage

[Tiznut]

Hope for Arthur brown but thinking someone else.  

 

Az, Seattle, Washington and Los Angeles are teams that are using (or considering) 

using a safety/lb hybrid http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647142/article/jeff-fisher-nfl-to-see-more-hybrid-guys-like-barron and it really shouldn't surprise anyone to see that as an option in Baltimore considering how Pitt and cincy like to try and spread defenses out more 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 5/16/2016 at 9:31 PM, Tiznut said:

Hope for Arthur brown but thinking someone else.  

 

Az, Seattle, Washington and Los Angeles are teams that are using (or considering) 

using a safety/lb hybrid http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647142/article/jeff-fisher-nfl-to-see-more-hybrid-guys-like-barron and it really shouldn't surprise anyone to see that as an option in Baltimore considering how Pitt and cincy like to try and spread defenses out more 

I think a safety LB hybrid would be just what the doctor ordered. Not all teams have the luxury of having such a dominant run stopping front that they could essentially remove a front seven player from that duty without skipping a beat, which is exactly what the ravens have, on the other hand we need someone to handle TEs

[Winchester]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think a safety LB hybrid would be just what the doctor ordered. Not all teams have the luxury of having such a dominant run stopping front that they could essentially remove a front seven player from that duty without skipping a beat, which is exactly what the ravens have, on the other hand we need someone to handle TEs

Mosley can get far better in coverage. He was trying to do to much surrounded by a slow defense. He has all the necessary tools to excel at cover responsibilities 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think a safety LB hybrid would be just what the doctor ordered. Not all teams have the luxury of having such a dominant run stopping front that they could essentially remove a front seven player from that duty without skipping a beat, which is exactly what the ravens have, on the other hand we need someone to handle TEs

I agree, and am keeping an eye on Onwuasor for this role. He's a big bodied safety, I think 6'2"-6'4" and about 230 lbs... but he's got serious ball skills as he was a converted WR. Has D1 skill too bc he started his career at Arizona but was kicked off the team for some issue - I think it was drug/gun possession or something along those lines.

But by all indications he's really cleaned up his act, really been involved in community and charity work. And he dominated afterward, admittedly a lower level of competition. But hes a hard hitter that can cover and really excels at covering a zone and making plays on the ball.

I think he's physical enough to handle the run responsibilities of playing a LB/Safety hybrid role. And has the mixture of physicality/size and athleticism/ball skills to cover anything from slot receivers, rbs and the athletic, receiving TEs like Ertz up to the big, physical guys like Gronk and Bennett.

He's very unique in his size and skill set. I think hes truly a guy to keep an eye on, and may be my pick for an UDFA to make the roster (though I like Ochi too, but there may just be too much depth/talent at his position for him to make the team out right).

[JoeyFlex5]

I keep hearing about this guy but haven't seen any of him. 

 

Does anyone have film on onwuasor?

[Cville-Raven]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I keep hearing about this guy but haven't seen any of him. 

 

Does anyone have film on onwuasor?

The closest thing is a highlight video. The Ravens have him listed as a ILB which is interesting.

 

Edited May 21, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

The closest thing is a highlight video. The Ravens have him listed as a ILB which is interesting.

 

The qb play in that video is absolutely atrocious lol. But I do like the ball skills a lot, he tracks and turns his body well and has great reach and he seems to have good pursuit and hits like a truck. 

 

Definitely doesn't have nfl safety speed, I wonder if he even has nfl LB speed lol but I'll wait and see, also the ball won't be that easy to make a play on with nfl qbs throwing, I mean some of those passes I could have picked off lol.

 

Actual film would be nice, if you can see his weaknesses then it would really give a better idea.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The qb play in that video is absolutely atrocious lol. But I do like the ball skills a lot, he tracks and turns his body well and has great reach and he seems to have good pursuit and hits like a truck. 

 

Definitely doesn't have nfl safety speed, I wonder if he even has nfl LB speed lol but I'll wait and see, also the ball won't be that easy to make a play on with nfl qbs throwing, I mean some of those passes I could have picked off lol.

 

Actual film would be nice, if you can see his weaknesses then it would really give a better idea.

He has the speed. It might not seem like it but its there. His best 40 time was 4.56 and his worst was 4.68. Not blazing fast, but adequate for a safety and definitely fine for a LB.

24 reps on the bench

36.5 in vertical

10 ft 3 in broad jump

4.6 s 20 yd shuttle

7.51 3 cone drill

1.69 10 yd split and 2.63 20 yd split

Overall athleticism is fine... quickness/agility is a little lacking, but his overall athleticism speaks to the possibility of improving that.

And, forget where I saw it.... somewhere in the depths of youtube but I was able to find some actual game tape on him. It wasn't the best quality but its there. Agree that some of those interceptions looked more like the QB was targeting him, but he does make some good plays. He plays with a nasty streak and tackles well. He has the hands and body control to go up and make contested catches and break up passes. I think he has the strength to contest with big TEs. The major question will be if he has the IQ to read an NFL QB and the short area quickness to react and make a play on the ball.

Edited May 21, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He has the speed. It might not seem like it but its there. His best 40 time was 4.56 and his worst was 4.68. Not blazing fast, but adequate for a safety and definitely fine for a LB.

24 reps on the bench

36.5 in vertical

10 ft 3 in broad jump

4.6 s 20 yd shuttle

7.51 3 cone drill

1.69 10 yd split and 2.63 20 yd split

Overall athleticism is fine... quickness/agility is a little lacking, but his overall athleticism speaks to the possibility of improving that.

And, forget where I saw it.... somewhere in the depths of youtube but I was able to find some actual game tape on him. It wasn't the best quality but its there. Agree that some of those interceptions looked more like the QB was targeting him, but he does make some good plays. He plays with a nasty streak and tackles well. He has the hands and body control to go up and make contested catches and break up passes. I think he has the strength to contest with big TEs. The major question will be if he has the IQ to read an NFL QB and the short area quickness to react and make a play on the ball.

Oh don't get me wrong I like what I see and I think he'll be fun to watch This pre-season but I'm just not anointing him or anything lol

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He has the speed. It might not seem like it but its there. His best 40 time was 4.56 and his worst was 4.68. Not blazing fast, but adequate for a safety and definitely fine for a LB.

24 reps on the bench

36.5 in vertical

10 ft 3 in broad jump

4.6 s 20 yd shuttle

7.51 3 cone drill

1.69 10 yd split and 2.63 20 yd split

Overall athleticism is fine... quickness/agility is a little lacking, but his overall athleticism speaks to the possibility of improving that.

And, forget where I saw it.... somewhere in the depths of youtube but I was able to find some actual game tape on him. It wasn't the best quality but its there. Agree that some of those interceptions looked more like the QB was targeting him, but he does make some good plays. He plays with a nasty streak and tackles well. He has the hands and body control to go up and make contested catches and break up passes. I think he has the strength to contest with big TEs. The major question will be if he has the IQ to read an NFL QB and the short area quickness to react and make a play on the ball.

Not a great 3-cone, though. 7.51? Ugh. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Not a great 3-cone, though. 7.51? Ugh. 

Yea, that's surprisingly bad... like awful, and just doesn't make sense with the other numbers he put up. I mean the 40 time, the splits, the shuttle, bench, vert and broad are all at least good to impressive for a safety his size.

That 3 cone is puzzling, but the other #'s give me some confidence that maybe he tripped or something, or if it was just that bad that he has the athleticism to fix it with professional agility training.

And in coverage, he does seem to have somewhat fluid hips. While obviously the QBs he was facing didn't have the arm strength to truly test him, if you watch he does turn his hips well when dropping to turn and cover distances. So it really just doesn't make sense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh don't get me wrong I like what I see and I think he'll be fun to watch This pre-season but I'm just not anointing him or anything lol

Oh I agree... looking impressive against that competition to even making an NFL roster is a huge jump. Was just pointing out that his speed numbers are at least average, if not impressive for a safety his size. His overall athleticism is definitely adequate for the safety position, and is probably top notch for a ILB.

He's a long shot to make the team for sure... I just think that because the team has made a point to mention theyre looking for someone to play the LB/S hybrid role, hes becomes a very interesting guy to watch. He's probably not quick enough or good enough in coverage to play as a deep safety, and isn't big enough to play as an a pure middle linebacker.

But, hes probably the perfect medium between the two... more athletic and better in coverage that your average linebacker and bigger, more physical, and a very good tackler for a safety. And that's the skillset I think we're missing next to Mosley. He's just got to prove that his skillset is good enough to translate at this level... which is a huge question at this point.

But the overall athleticism, and the fact that he had a pretty large role for a freshman at a pretty good D1 program gives me reason to believe that he has potential at this level. Something to keep an eye on for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

If he has it between the ears then I think He can be a real asset. Its so hard to envision udfa's panning out but it does happen. Let's hope onwuasor and ochi are our next in the long line of ravens udfa starters

[Ravensfan23]

17 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree, and am keeping an eye on Onwuasor for this role. He's a big bodied safety, I think 6'2"-6'4" and about 230 lbs... but he's got serious ball skills as he was a converted WR. Has D1 skill too bc he started his career at Arizona but was kicked off the team for some issue - I think it was drug/gun possession or something along those lines.

But by all indications he's really cleaned up his act, really been involved in community and charity work. And he dominated afterward, admittedly a lower level of competition. But hes a hard hitter that can cover and really excels at covering a zone and making plays on the ball.

I think he's physical enough to handle the run responsibilities of playing a LB/Safety hybrid role. And has the mixture of physicality/size and athleticism/ball skills to cover anything from slot receivers, rbs and the athletic, receiving TEs like Ertz up to the big, physical guys like Gronk and Bennett.

He's very unique in his size and skill set. I think hes truly a guy to keep an eye on, and may be my pick for an UDFA to make the roster (though I like Ochi too, but there may just be too much depth/talent at his position for him to make the team out right).

Onwuasor is officially listed as 6'0" 213. Not saying he can't be an impactful ILB, just wanted to be clear on his listed size. I'll definitely keep an eye on him during camp and preseason. He'll have to pack on some pounds to be a consistent presence at ILB. I could see him making the team via ST and maybe work his way into a subpackage role. Not sure I can see this guy over taking Orr, my favorite to start, or even getting many defensive snaps as a reserve. However I think he could definitely push Art Brown off the roster if he plays well and it comes down to 1 spot remaining. 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Onwuasor is officially listed as 6'0" 213. Not saying he can't be an impactful ILB, just wanted to be clear on his listed size. I'll definitely keep an eye on him during camp and preseason. He'll have to pack on some pounds to be a consistent presence at ILB. I could see him making the team via ST and maybe work his way into a subpackage role. Not sure I can see this guy over taking Orr, my favorite to start, or even getting many defensive snaps as a reserve. However I think he could definitely push Art Brown off the roster if he plays well and it comes down to 1 spot remaining. 

 

Where did you see that? I originally saw something close to that but then found out that was from a year or 2 ago.

Pretty sure at this Pro Day they measured him at 6'1"+ and around 225lbs.

When I first looked him up I didn't see why the Ravens would look at him as an ILB, bc I saw the #'s you listed... but then did some digging and found the source I had was listing measurements from when he left Arizona... then found different #'s in between that were  from the Portland State Pro Day, but then saw that it was prior to his senior year as they let underclassmen and even former graduates participate if they want.

Then I finally found 6'1" 225lbs from this year. But, that could be wrong as well.

EDIT: Just saw our site has him listed at 6'0" 213... is that where u got it from? Not sure if they measure them on in take... and if so obviously id trust that. Im sure its entirely possible he slimmed down thinking he had to get quicker to play safety in the NFL....

Edited May 23, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK