[News] Late For Work 5/3: Biggest Winners, Losers Of Ravens Draft

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More details come out about Baltimore’s trade talks with Dallas. Steelers pass rusher James Harrison to play in 2016.

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[ellicottraven]

Only time will tell if the non trade will hurt the Ravens. I believe Stanley has the potential to be an all pro and Kaufusi at least a pro bowler. We'll see whether Stanley or Ramsey end up having the longer career.

[757RavensFan]

If true, it's interesting to know that Dallas initiated the call to trade w/ Ozzie.  I assumed it was the other way around. 

I assumed Ozzie initiated the call b/c he wanted to move up for Ramsey. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

Only time will tell if the non trade will hurt the Ravens. I believe Stanley has the potential to be an all pro and Kaufusi at least a pro bowler. We'll see whether Stanley or Ramsey end up having the longer career.

its actually Stanley and Kafusi vs Ramsey considering what we would have had to give up.  Im more than ok with standing still at 6

[ryananth]

Make that 4 WRs who will make the roster. You forgot to mention Mike Wallace

[fusuymada]

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

Because that's how you build a team, more draft picks the better.   I would rather have Stanely than Ramsey period, but the fact that we have another pass rusher that could turn into who knows what is worth it to me. 
You really want to roll forward with Monroe as are only choice at LT.  The guy is always hurt and has missed games every single year. We drafted a LT who was considered 1b to the 1a LT with no injury history whatsoever. 

I think Stanley has a better chance of being a difference maker for 10+ years than Ramsey does.  And we did try to get Ramsey...man, some fans are just never happy.  Not saying you have to love the draft, but to say there is no logic in what we did this year is just false. 

[RavensHawk]

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

Seriously? So you know that Ramsey is going to be a perennial pro-bowl player and the others don't have a shot? You know that Ramsey will have a long and healthy career or 10 years? Please...
The fact of the matter is that nobody knows what any of these players will do in the NFL. It's all a projections game. If people knew that, do you think we would have been able to land Ogden and Ray in the first round in 1996? No way! They probably would've been the top 2 picks in the draft that year had people known how things would pan out. Give me a break.

[SUGGStobeDUMED]

Make that 4 WRs who will make the roster. You forgot to mention Mike Wallace

For a second I thought I had dreamt the whole Wallace signing!

[RavensDieHard21]

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

I love Ramsey, he has all the tool to be a defensive anchor, but he is still more of a projected top talent than a lock. He hasn't defined where he will play and I don't even think he knows lol at the time I probably would have done it though, but at the same time, Stanley will be a very good LT and he hasn't even reached his potential yet. Kaufusi, ehhh we will see, he lacks leverage and would have to rush from the outside as he has no concept of leverage.

In 4 years, we can evaluate who turned out a better impact player.

[krnraven]

FO made the right choice not giving up the third rounder.

[RavensDieHard21]

Oh by the way, our depth at every position group on offense is pretty awesome. I predict for WR that SSS, Aiken, Perriman, Wallace, Moore and either Matthews or Butler make the 53 man roster.

At RB, I think it will be Forsett, Buck, and Dixon, possibly Trent will make it, but I see those three all being versatile enough to thrive in Trestman's offense.

At TE we have a great problem, Maxx might make a leap or at least get more reps, Watson will be a leader and make catches, Gilmore will make it based on blocking and toughness. He looked great until injuries plagued him from his tough style of play. The wild card is Pitta, if he makes it through camp with no set backs then I see this being our 4, but if he doesn't then they might gamble on Boyle when he comes back.

[stixfix69]

IMO...We should keep Monroe, and let Stanley play LG, and of course if Monroe gets hurt again, Stanley can be kicked out to LT, but it would be a luxury allowing Stanley to start out inside, and then next year have him be our LT.....As far as all the picks we ended up with, my feeling our training camp IR list might be longer than usual to protect players we don't want to expose to other teams....On paper we have a lot of potential talent....

[bioLarzen]

FO made the right choice not giving up the third rounder.

Or at least we have a good chance that we'll end up better off with Stanley plus Kaufusi than we would with Ramsey, even if he doesn't disappoint...

[stixfix69]

Stanley was the absolute right move, we have to protect Flacco, and the way Oz made our secondary better was getting players who could get to the QB...A good pass rush will make a lot of secondaries look good, last year there were times the opposing QB had forever to find a WR......

[stixfix69]

we are starting to see a lot of post draft cuts, i'm sure Oz has his eye on a legit ILBer to be cut...

[designermaryland]

The fact that we even have 13 WR's in the first place is evidence they are completely clueless about evaluating talent at this position. They seem to be lured by the flavor of the month. First, they were sure they needed possession receivers, then big bodies who would win jump balls, now they keep picking up straight speed guys. They cannot make up their mind, and none of them have panned out. Beyond the trio of Perriman, Aiken and SSS, you need guys who are going to also play special teams. For me, Wallace is not worth keeping unless Perriman can not get healthy. I think they should keep D Brown, Keenan Reynolds as a slot option and returner (if he looks good) and 1 other with quickness and elusiveness possibly - or just keep Waller as a hybrid TE/WR.

[rossihunter2]

28 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Oh by the way, our depth at every position group on offense is pretty awesome. I predict for WR that SSS, Aiken, Perriman, Wallace, Moore and either Matthews or Butler make the 53 man roster.

At RB, I think it will be Forsett, Buck, and Dixon, possibly Trent will make it, but I see those three all being versatile enough to thrive in Trestman's offense.

At TE we have a great problem, Maxx might make a leap or at least get more reps, Watson will be a leader and make catches, Gilmore will make it based on blocking and toughness. He looked great until injuries plagued him from his tough style of play. The wild card is Pitta, if he makes it through camp with no set backs then I see this being our 4, but if he doesn't then they might gamble on Boyle when he comes back.

Don't forget about camp, Waller and the guy we just drafted Reynolds

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, designermaryland said:

The fact that we even have 13 WR's in the first place is evidence they are completely clueless about evaluating talent at this position. They seem to be lured by the flavor of the month. First, they were sure they needed possession receivers, then big bodies who would win jump balls, now they keep picking up straight speed guys. They cannot make up their mind, and none of them have panned out. Beyond the trio of Perriman, Aiken and SSS, you need guys who are going to also play special teams. For me, Wallace is not worth keeping unless Perriman can not get healthy. I think they should keep D Brown, Keenan Reynolds as a slot option and returner (if he looks good) and 1 other with quickness and elusiveness possibly - or just keep Waller as a hybrid TE/WR.

Things that have changed for the Ravens in the past 4 years, give or take: 
3  offensive coordinators
rules changes that made passing easier and opened up the dink and dunk offense
Torrey and Boldin both left. 
the WR market changed at least once (the Big Guy fad into the demand for Fast Guys)

It's not that our front office can't make up its mind.  It's that circumstances at WR have changed at least once every single year for about 4 years now. 

[The Mom Gene]

Looks like they forgot all about Mike Wallace in that list of WR's. Oh well... I think we had a great draft. Now onto OTA's and minicamps. Let's get this season started.

[ellicottraven]

Winners and losers will be really determined though the off season program, training camp and the performance of the 90 man roster. Also, what players become available through cuts and releases as teams start trimming their roster will also determine who is safe and who isn't. This is a little too early and speculative to determine who's safe or not.

[ellicottraven]

If Monroe is really healthy it would be foolish to cut him now or post June 1st. We just need quality O-linemen on our team. The one perceived weakness of Stanley is his core strength. If that is true, a year at LT working against bigger DTs and a year of the Ravens training program will do him a world of good when he slides into the LT position.

What we do know is Stanley is a great pass protector given his lateral agility and agile feet. Add core strength to his repertoire and he'll not only be able to stop quick footed OLBs but also a strong bull rush next year. Moreover we need an able replacement for K.O's production and I think Stanley can provide that.

In this entire context this particular selection is aging like really fine wine!

[Drew P]

Marlon Brown sucks

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

If you thought about this prior to posting it and instead have us think about it, you wouldn't be making this statement. The NFL thrives on numbers. That is the bottom line. No scout bats a 100 and there is always luck involved in the picks you make. If the Ravens or other teams had a clue Ray Lewis or Ed Reed would have turned out, they would be picked #1 overall, but that wasn't the case. So, why don't you wait till the season ends? What if Stanley is the best OT in the league? What if Kaufusi ends up being DROY with 8 sacks and 20 QB hurries and blocks 3 FGs? And what if Ramsey turns out to be a liability in coverage? This is a game of probability and statistics. The more picks you have, the better your chances at landing a good one.

Edited May 3, 2016 by ellicottraven

[GeeWallee]

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Lets just take names and forget the draft pick numbers. If today you were offered Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi (or whatever his name is) would you do it? In a heartbeat or maybe quicker. However, by holding on to that third round pick, that is what we turned down. To me, it is a no-brainer, it was a no-brainer draft night. We could have traded back up and got another left tackle, but we really didn't need one, we had Monroe who people may not like, but he is now healthier than he has ever been so lets get rid of him, like we have many players, to watch him be successful somewhere else. Why is it we do that? Why did we value a third rounder which, like many other third rounders, we get rid of in a couple years, or we could have had Ramsey who would have been that anchor for a decade or more. I just don't understand the love of picks just for the sake of having picks. And the logic of lets get more so maybe we hit on one tells me we aren't really good at doing this or we would have more faith in the guys we select. We drafted Arthur Brown in the second round and moved up to get him but we wont to get Ramsey. This FO has lost its way.

I love Ramsey, he has all the tool to be a defensive anchor, but he is still more of a projected top talent than a lock. He hasn't defined where he will play and I don't even think he knows lol at the time I probably would have done it though, but at the same time, Stanley will be a very good LT and he hasn't even reached his potential yet. Kaufusi, ehhh we will see, he lacks leverage and would have to rush from the outside as he has no concept of leverage.

In 4 years, we can evaluate who turned out a better impact player.

I think we did just fine , with this Draft. The 4th Round was a "Knockout" !
Ramsey or Buckner would have been nice to have, but I was a bit disappointed in Ramsey's INT totals from FSU.
Stanley will anchor the Left side for 10 years plus and we needed the Pass Rusher that we selected with that 3rd Round Pick.
Excited to see what this new group of Ravens bring to the field !
May even have a few surprises from the UDFA group, as well.

[rmcjacket23]

39 minutes ago, designermaryland said:

The fact that we even have 13 WR's in the first place is evidence they are completely clueless about evaluating talent at this position. They seem to be lured by the flavor of the month. First, they were sure they needed possession receivers, then big bodies who would win jump balls, now they keep picking up straight speed guys. They cannot make up their mind, and none of them have panned out. Beyond the trio of Perriman, Aiken and SSS, you need guys who are going to also play special teams. For me, Wallace is not worth keeping unless Perriman can not get healthy. I think they should keep D Brown, Keenan Reynolds as a slot option and returner (if he looks good) and 1 other with quickness and elusiveness possibly - or just keep Waller as a hybrid TE/WR.

Sort of.

1. Obviously, its our weakest area for talent evaluation, though I'd also argue that WRs are often some of the biggest "boom or bust" prospects in the entire class and thus the hardest to evaluate. Ask Bill Belichick, the best talent evaluator in the business, how easy he thinks it is to figure out who a good WR is or not.

2. With that being the case, the "quantity over quality" decision makes a ton of sense. You don't have the luxury of putting all your eggs in like 3-4 WRs, because injuries and lack of production leads to a lack of depth.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So, the question is... Stanley and Kaufusi or Jalen Ramsey. Time will tell. Knowing now that we got Correa, Judon and Ochi I may have made the swap, but I think Stanley is a far more safe pick than Ramsey. Ramsey could be a complete lock down corner, but so far he's shown to be a very good college corner, safety and nickle but hadnt mastered any of the 3. That versatility is great, but if im picking a DB that high I need a guy that can either follow the best WR around the field and shut him down with limited-to-no help... or a guy that I can stick on one side of the field and shut it down so that the rest of my secondary only has to worry about 1/2-2/3's of the field at most. Im not sold he'll be that yet... while I am sold that Stanley is at least going to be a 10 year starter at LT with a couple Pro Bowls and maybe a perennial All Pro. Dudes footwork is some of the best ive seen and thats usually where big LT's struggle. At the end of the day, I'm ok with what we did here.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

I love the Stanley pick, protecting Joe is key. Looks like a good draft, but only time will tell.

[fluffy201]

If Monroe is really healthy it would be foolish to cut him now or post June 1st. We just need quality O-linemen on our team. The one perceived weakness of Stanley is his core strength. If that is true, a year at LT working against bigger DTs and a year of the Ravens training program will do him a world of good when he slides into the LT position.

What we do know is Stanley is a great pass protector given his lateral agility and agile feet. Add core strength to his repertoire and he'll not only be able to stop quick footed OLBs but also a strong bull rush next year. Moreover we need an able replacement for K.O's production and I think Stanley can provide that.

In this entire context this particular selection is aging like really fine wine!

Yea, I don't think the Ravens will cut Monroe. They can't get a serviceable tackle for 2.1 mill. I also think if Monroe is healthy he will beat out Stanley as left tack in year one, and I assume he will take over in 2017. Not that Stanley won't play, I see him at guard this year barring no injury to Monroe, and if Monroe does get injured I assure you that Stanley will take over for sure. Either way Stanley makes the offense line greatly improved (hopefully).

[Raven_Don]

I side with them on this one... Ramsey has outstanding potential... but we had way to many holes in the roster to part with a third rounder to move up two spots in the draft... not worth it... especially since pass rush is a bigger need than corner... I don't care how good of a corner you are... if you consistently give QB's time in the pocket they are going to pick you apart... plus I am a little bit biased... I really like Kaufusi 3>