Give me your 2016 class scouting reports

[Jaybirds]

10 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I've been a fan of Correa throughout but I don't see him as much of an off ball LB specializing in covering tight ends. I don't think that's his game at all. Or spence for that matter. I don't think you should or we are looking for thst with this player. 

I agree it's not a natural fit, it is definitely something he'd have to work on at the next level.  But some scouts say he does have the tools, and he does have the experience already.  Not saying he's "there" yet, just saying he's farther along than some other guys. 

Just an example, but I think CBS's evaluation seems to be what I'm trying to say: 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061725/kamalei-correa
"Occasionally asked to drop into coverage, showing enough balance, agility and awareness to warrant development in this role at the next level. Good effort in pursuit, showing vision and speed to get back into the action."

Another of the optimists:
http://www.charmcitysportsnetwork.com/purple-reign-show/2016/4/30/draft-profile-kamalei-correa-2nd-round-42nd-overall
"Coverage Ability: Correa has been able to drop back into coverage and performs well with quick feet and natural instincts. This should translate well in the NFL and it's something the Ravens could use out of an OLB."

Edited May 6, 2016 by Jaybirds

[Jaybirds]

17 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Very surprised to hear that. His tape is pretty obvious, he doesn't even try to sell it, the only route I've seen him run was a post and he had the DB on him all along. He was still able to make the contested catch which makes me feel optimistic. 

Could just be local homerism; Cincinnati is prone to exaggeration....

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2016/04/19/ucs-chris-moore-catching-eyes-before-nfl-draft/83233648/
"Draft analysts list Moore as a dependable route runner, with long arms and an attack mentality. Scouts also have told him what to work on.

“Just at the top of my route, staying lower with my pads and coming out of my speed cuts a lot sharper,” Moore said. “That, and flexibility. I’m not very flexible, I know that. I’m going to start taking yoga and keep working on it."

http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.com/posts/11513382/cincinnati-s-chris-moore-catching-lots-of-attention-at-the-senior-bowl.html
"Despite struggles by the North squad’s quarterbacks to air the ball out, Moore has shown crisp route running skills, along with a surprisingly explosive burst. He seems to relish being a primary passing target after having to be the consummate team player and constantly serve in a supporting role at Cincinnati."


....but I think part of it is that he wasn't the go-to receiver until his senior year.  Before that he was pretty much just the team's vertical threat.  So maybe it's a question of the date on the game?  I'm not sure. 

I'm not trying to say anyone is Absolutely Right or Absolutely Wrong.  But it seems like there's enough mixed feedback to say that he could have room for improvement. 

 

[RavensFanMania]

On May 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Cillmatic said:

Immediately after the draft I gave it a D.

 

After I looked into everyone we picked I give it an A.

That's why it's a good idea to step back and do some research before making an assessment

[Kinda_Dante]

12 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

That's why it's a good idea to step back and do some research before making an assessment

I think we all more or less felt this way. Everyone had set their mind on us getting a specific player and for most of us (myself included) picking Stanley in the first round was a let down. After the draft was over and looking into the picks I think we nailed it, but immediately after the first day of the draft I was really disappointed.

[RavensFanMania]

6 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I think we all more or less felt this way. Everyone had set their mind on us getting a specific player and for most of us (myself included) picking Stanley in the first round was a let down. After the draft was over and looking into the picks I think we nailed it, but immediately after the first day of the draft I was really disappointed.

I actually loved Stanley and picked him in the forum mock for the Chargers since I traded back to the 7th pick from 3. 

 

I watched a lot of tape on a lot of players and including several of our mid round players because if the forum mock  

I make it a point not to settle in on just one player as it is almost always a let down I get your point though  

 

 

 

[Winchester]

On 5/3/2016 at 8:12 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah I'm coming around of kaufusi, a big part of my analysis on him was that he bends very well, idk if you caught that or not. I was kinda pigeonholing him as a 34DE because of his build, but game tape really shows a legit edge rusher. He gets off quick and gives a violent punch to the shoulder and gets the tackle off of his base and He has an awesome underhook to just rotate the tackle into the pocket. I don't think he does much on the interior but we could have a really good edge rusher with freakish physical traits right here. Not to mention his incredible motor and "authority" play style, he's a bully.

A little more athletic Patrick Kerney. Similar bend to Cameron Jordan for a big guy.  I looked at him and said edge player. He is not an interior player. It would help him to lose 16-20lbs of bad weight then pack on 10-14 lbs of muscle to play at a stronger leaner explosive 270-280. He could get his game speed to about 4.70-4.75. He has the opportunity  to be a real freak in games!! 

You could be right about Correa playing the edge with some coaching but my  opinion (long explanation) he will struggle agsinst nfl tackles at the line. However he would make a great 4-3 olb in the Bruce Irvin mold but better physicality/intelligence than irvin. He has the skills to excel in coverage and a game changing blitzer. Much like the way the ravens used Peter Boulware b4 McCrarys knee problems and Boulware took over at defensive end. 

Ron Stanley, once he hits an nfl strength program he is going to be multi time all pro

T young At very least a poor man's Malcolm Butler. Not sure anybody saw it but after one big play early he completely shut down one of the most dynamic receivers in the game. Frustrated Beckham and at times dominated him. Similar attitude, physicality, ball skills,fiestyness as Malcolm Butler.

Will Henry. Iknow Florida tried really hard to recruit him. Rated him one of most underrated recruits in the country!! And if you saw him decimate their oline you know Florida was correct to want him bad!! In my opinion Nkemdiche was the freak of the draft. Will Henry is very close. How many tackles can shed and Chase Running backs and mobile QBs while taking on 2 gaps/blockers and not get pushed back?? He plays like Atkins who I really really liked in 2010!! One of my favorites of all time. If he has Atkins work ethic he will be just as awesome!!

Alex Lewis. Competitive blocker but one pick I did not really like very much. I mean if he packs on some functional symmetrical muscle he could be an impact guard or even Tackle. But I did not really care much for the pick because of all the impact talent available. There is Demarcus Robinson,Reshard Robinson, Ridgeway, Malcolm mitchell, Tyler higbee, jatavis Brown. Ravens have history of drafting oline players outbof nowhere that do not work out. If these dudes played at an impact level it could justify such a pick. But these obscure oline players like Reid do not work out. Ravens decided to ignore some players with impact player skills to mold to draft this guy.

Chris Moore do not get me wrong I like this pick. He has the skills to run fast sudden routes. He has skills to be more than a one trick pony. However there were more polished receivers that runs explosive routes with similar speed and big play skills. Demarcus Robinson and Malcolm Mitchell I liked a little better. However I do like this pick. He has big play skills like Torrey but attacks the ball much better and has demonstrated flexible hips and sudden routes. However he will need to be coached on routes and timing but he has the tools. So ravens can scrap Butler, Waller and Matthews. He has the skills to eclipse Aiken as well. Would be cool to see him get coached up to a complete WR. He With Campanaro and Perriman could be quite a trio that dbacks would not be able to cover. If Perriman and Moore could be coached up to complete receivers and campanaro play injury free this could be a young explosive trio!! Throw in a reshaped Maxx, Kenneth Dixon and Buck Allen with Watson playing in 2TE formations with a dominant oline and ravens have some rare talent on offense. I would prefer to see the young guys make the leap to impact players than a retread like Mike Wallace play.

I'm not crazy about Judon or the naval academy qb pick. I liked talent available in round4. Ravens picked 5 times. However it would of been cool to have 8 or 9 picks in round 3 and round4.

[JoeyFlex5]

I gotta say winchester, we actually see eye to eye for once. I changed my stance on stanley and you changed your stance on correa and everything else I pretty much agree on. I don't agree that guys like higbee and robinson would have been better picks because higbee looks like Richie incognito disguised as a TE, the kids a recidivist, and robinson brings all the toxicity of a young Brandon Marshall or TO with one tenth of the talent. Aside from that I think you're spot on.

[Winchester]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I gotta say winchester, we actually see eye to eye for once. I changed my stance on stanley and you changed your stance on correa and everything else I pretty much agree on. I don't agree that guys like higbee and robinson would have been better picks because higbee looks like Richie incognito disguised as a TE, the kids a recidivist, and robinson brings all the toxicity of a young Brandon Marshall or TO with one tenth of the talent. Aside from that I think you're spot on.

I do not know much about higbee's drama. Only that he runs like a receiver even while bulking up. And Demarcus Robinson has really grown up!! There is even a YouTube video with him and a couple of his trainers showing how hard he works now. And being a great player is very important to him. He was 18-19 yrs old with that drama. The dude is very very determined to let his play do the talking. He is hellbent on being a better athlete and refined receiver!! His raw talent is similar to Diggs and Cooper. He is going to be a steal. Besides you can't have all choir boys. Every championship team has players with character as well as characters. Even T.O. in his prime his attitude was tolerable cuz his play justified it. Billick even made a play for T.O. And the ravens got screwed on that deal. And T.O was lowballed lol

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I do not know much about higbee's drama. Only that he runs like a receiver even while bulking up. And Demarcus Robinson has really grown up!! There is even a YouTube video with him and a couple of his trainers showing how hard he works now. And being a great player is very important to him. He was 18-19 yrs old with that drama. The dude is very very determined to let his play do the talking. He is hellbent on being a better athlete and refined receiver!! His raw talent is similar to Diggs and Cooper. He is going to be a steal. Besides you can't have all choir boys. Every championship team has players with character as well as characters. Even T.O. in his prime his attitude was tolerable cuz his play justified it. Billick even made a play for T.O. And the ravens got screwed on that deal. And T.O was lowballed lol

Ehh I just don't see enough talent in robinson to justify the past drama. Even if he has kept quiet you just can't take a guy who has been suspended time and time again for being a locker room cancer. He wasn't just out doing dumb stuff at parties or smoking a doob on occasion, he was being a genuine detriment to the team and I think that's far worse and his talent just doesn't justify it, I had him pegged as a 3rd round talent Before I even heard of the issues. He honestly reminds me of aiken, just an average looking player. 

Higbee is legit a nutcase. Dig into his drama lol he's a problem child. 

 

I know all teams have characters but you can't go loading up on those guys. You gotta avoid it at all costs because you can't afford to waste draft picks on guys who can't take the field.

[RaineV1]

I think Kaufusi can generally play the same type of role that Suggs does. Rush the passer, set the edge, and sniff out screen plays to that side. Also to react quickly to short passes to his side. He seems athletic enough to handle all the duties of an every down edge rusher. And he'll be helped out by the fact that he can ease into things.

[ravensnj]

On 5/5/2016 at 8:13 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ignore what everyone says about correa before you watch him. See for yourself, then come back and tell people that they're flat out wrong. Everyone is so bitter that we passed on Spence and Jack that they hate Correa and won't even bother to study him and just talk out of their rear ends about him. 

 

Small piece of advice lol

I will be the first to omit that I wanted Sterling Sheppard with the 2nd pick instead of Correa. I really wasn't caught up on Correa at the time, and I consider him a good pick now. But, I still would have gone with Sheppard! I love our 4th round picks, which gives this draft an (A) in my mind.

[JoeyFlex5]

17 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I will be the first to omit that I wanted Sterling Sheppard with the 2nd pick instead of Correa. I really wasn't caught up on Correa at the time, and I consider him a good pick now. But, I still would have gone with Sheppard! I love our 4th round picks, which gives this draft an (A) in my mind.

I would've liked Sheppard as well but I get the feeling that we have a very specific vision of our offense and it is the same type of offense as 2012. We aren't gonna get cute with dink and dunk plays and targeting small slot guys in timing routes 20 times a game. we're gonna set up the run with the threat of speed outside and size inside, safeties can't cheat in or out but they have to cheat deep always, we will work the seam with the TEs and the posts with our x and y, and in wide sets we have Steve and aiken and multiple TEs as chain movers, and if we stay balanced this way then we should easily average 5ypc for 25+ runs a game. It just isn't in our philosophy to have a guy like sheppard.

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would've liked Sheppard as well but I get the feeling that we have a very specific vision of our offense and it is the same type of offense as 2012. We aren't gonna get cute with dink and dunk plays and targeting small slot guys in timing routes 20 times a game. we're gonna set up the run with the threat of speed outside and size inside, safeties can't cheat in or out but they have to cheat deep always, we will work the seam with the TEs and the posts with our x and y, and in wide sets we have Steve and aiken and multiple TEs as chain movers, and if we stay balanced this way then we should easily average 5ypc for 25+ runs a game. It just isn't in our philosophy to have a guy like sheppard.

I completely agree with your thoughts on our upcoming Offense. To the point, if  I were an opposing Defensive Coordinator, I would build my game plan in an attempt to shut it down. That's where Campanaro or Reynolds come in to shake things up with the quick, short seam passes. They both have talent, but not the skill set Sheppard deploys. As, he would be a nightmare to the opposition, having the chance to take it to the house whenever he touched the ball. I think with our stable of pass catchers and rb's we would have had a top 5 Offense, first in our history, I believe. 

Edited July 19, 2016 by ravensnj

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I completely agree with your thoughts on our upcoming Offense. To the point, if  I were an opposing Defensive Coordinator, I would build my game plan in an attempt to shut it down. That's where Campanaro or Reynolds come in to shake things up with the quick, short seam passes. They both have talent, but not the skill set Sheppard deploys. As, he would be a nightmare to the opposition, having the chance to take it to the house whenever he touched the ball. I think with our stable of pass catchers and rb's we would have had a top 5 Offense, first in our history, I believe. 

I think you have to work every level of the field to be a starting wr for the ravens and I'm not sure Sheppard is that guy, he could max out as an intermediate kind of guy, I could certainly be wrong though and I wouldn't bet against the kid, I'm very high on him, just didn't see a stellar fit, kinda the same reason I soured on Tyler Boyd a little.

[ravensnj]

36 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think you have to work every level of the field to be a starting wr for the ravens and I'm not sure Sheppard is that guy, he could max out as an intermediate kind of guy, I could certainly be wrong though and I wouldn't bet against the kid, I'm very high on him, just didn't see a stellar fit, kinda the same reason I soured on Tyler Boyd a little.

Well it's all in hindsight now.......Go Correa!

[KBoum]

I'm really not good at navigating on the boards but I'm 100% sure I said it, I remember and he was my #1 rated WR I believe I still have my rankings somewhere........ Michael Thomas from Ohio State is going to be the best WR in this year class and I read today he's torching the Saints camp.

 

Docston is going to be a big bust and I'm still relying on my prediction I believe Joey thought the same as me on him

 

there you go I found it . now I'm changing my mind on Stanley since we get to know him more... lets hope he becomes  a stud

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by KBoum

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, KBoum said:

I'm really not good at navigating on the boards but I'm 100% sure I said it, I remember and he was my #1 rated WR I believe I still have my rankings somewhere........ Michael Thomas from Ohio State is going to be the best WR in this year class and I read today he's torching the Saints camp.

 

Docston is going to be a big bust and I'm still relying on my prediction I believe Joey thought the same as me on him

 

there you go I found it . now I'm changing my mind on Stanley since we get to know him more... lets hope he becomes  a stud

 

Yup. I thought Michael Thomas could have easily been the best in the class if the character remarks were untrue, I'll stand by that. 

 

And yeah I think doctson is a thorough bust. I think the scouting reports were way off on him, he had none of that route ability that NFL.com said he had, he runs lethargic until the ball is in the air, no suddenness at all, and doesn't even highpoint or make contested catches, dude laid out for overthrown balls, that's it.

[RaineV1]

30 minutes ago, KBoum said:

I'm really not good at navigating on the boards but I'm 100% sure I said it, I remember and he was my #1 rated WR I believe I still have my rankings somewhere........ Michael Thomas from Ohio State is going to be the best WR in this year class and I read today he's torching the Saints camp.

 

Docston is going to be a big bust and I'm still relying on my prediction I believe Joey thought the same as me on him

 

there you go I found it . now I'm changing my mind on Stanley since we get to know him more... lets hope he becomes  a stud

 

To be fair, it doesn't take a lot to torch Saints DBs. Though he is the perfect compliment for Cooks, and Brees is going to love having another big, aggressive receiver.

[ellicottraven]

On 5/2/2016 at 1:02 AM, Maryland said:

I'm in the home-stretch of my semester and don't have time to do research on everyone we've drafted (though I plan to do this later)

So what I am asking is for those who have actually scouted our draft class & UDFAs to give me your notes/observations on whichever players you've watched so that when I go back and watch them I know what to look for. 

I don't want this to devolve into a "we should have drafted x" thread; I just want this to be your own scouting notes on who we've drafted based on the film you've seen. Tell me what they do well, where they need to improve, other players they remind you of, scheme fit, floor/ceiling, etc. Yes, I could get scouting reports from other websites, but maybe some of you here have already watched some tape and formed your own opinions (and a lot of users here are very intelligent and I respect their opinions!)

For reference: 

1	6	Baltimore Ravens	Ronnie Stanley	OT	Notre Dame	Ind. (FBS)
	2	42	Baltimore Ravens	Kamalei Correa	LB	Boise State	MW	from Miami [R2 - 5]
	3	70	Baltimore Ravens	Bronson Kaufusi	DE	BYU	Ind. (FBS)
	4	104	Baltimore Ravens	Tavon Young	CB	Temple	The American
	4	107	Baltimore Ravens	Chris Moore	WR	Cincinnati	The American	from Miami [R4 - 4]
	4	130	Baltimore Ravens	Alex Lewis	OT	Nebraska	Big Ten	from Denver [R4 - 14]
	4*	132	Baltimore Ravens	Willie Henry	DT	Michigan	Big Ten
	4*	134	Baltimore Ravens	Kenneth Dixon	RB	Louisiana Tech	C-USA
	5	146	Baltimore Ravens	Matt Judon	DE	Grand Valley State	GLIAC	from Jacksonville [R5 - 5]
	6	182	Baltimore Ravens	Keenan Reynolds	RB	Navy	The American
	6*	209	Baltimore Ravens	Maurice Canady	CB	Virginia	ACC

 

UDFAs

Anthony Fabiano OG Harvard
Victor Ochi DE Stony Brook
Will Lutz K Georgia State
Stephane Nembot OT Colorado
Michael Pierce DT Stanford
Cavellis Luckett LB Middle Tennessee St.
Jarell Broxton OG Baylor
Matt Skura C Duke
Patrick Onwuasor DB Portland State
Mario Ojemudia LB Michigan
OJ Mau DT Gardner-Webb
Robert Kitching III DL UMass (tryout)

I'll just give these picks grades without the commentary. However, I'll admit I am projecting what I foresee happening with each of them 3 yrs down the road and their potential development as well.

Stanley - A+

Correa - A-

Kaufusi - B+

Tavon Young - A-

Chris Moore - B+

Alex Lewis - A-

Kenneth Dixon - A

Matt Judon - A

Keenan Reynolds - A-

Maurice Canady - B+

Well I believe this will be widely regarded as one of the best drafts we've had since our inaugural draft even surpassing the 2008 draft where we picked Joe and Ray Rice first and second.